tg2: Right in the childhood
BingoBoingo: I dunno, I'm kind of liking The Stick of Truth
tg2: Diablo 3 was the game that made me realise I can't recapture the elation I used to have for games
BingoBoingo: I actually last year made a decent trading Eve Isk for S.MPOE and then BTC
tg2: I hate dogecoin and I'm one of the top 25 holders of it
BingoBoingo: I have trouble connecting the idea of "dogecoin" and "people"
tg2: I had an open offer on dogecoin for people to pitch me their ideas and have a few promising projects from that
BingoBoingo: tg2: For a more ethical one you might want to consider http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/03/21/a-fundraiser-because-this-is-way-to-young-to-have-a-paywall-but-hosting-isnt-free/
BingoBoingo: tg2: Do you have any ventures that might need a persistent exposure to the core Bitcoin community?
Mats_cd03: a clever malware writer would optimize certain scamcoins for mining based on the presence of a gpu
punkman: rather than making dogecents
punkman: Mats_cd03: the trick would be that only a phone can mine the coin reasonably fast, so you can use your phone botnet to make some easy money
Mats_cd03: on the subject of cool phones, i want to buy an oppo phone now
BingoBoingo: punkman: Well, there was one coin mined and then difficulty adjusted such that a second coin would be impossibru
BingoBoingo: punkman: at some point in the past I played with a crypto that lived on a single nokia phone
punkman: is ther a scamcoin optimized for phones yet?
BingoBoingo: Well, he slathered around several ideas
CheckDavid: I an talking about the same business as he wad
CheckDavid: BingoBoingo: the subject is related
CheckDavid: Not sure about the best option
BingoBoingo: CheckDavid: If you aren't prepared to fuck the cunt, you can't rightfully call it a penis, prick, dick, or any rightly adult term.
CheckDavid: They should have practiced safe sex
BingoBoingo: MPEx prepared for legal confrontation well in advance and has on Trilema numerous articles detailing their legal prep.
BingoBoingo: Well BTC-TC, Buttfunder, and GLBSE as an example had no legal basis or preparation and collapsed once their thingies touched the legal cunt.
MisterE: MP owns most of the MPEx chares?
CheckDavid: Do people actually own equity in the businesses legally?
BingoBoingo: CheckDavid: Depends on the exchange
ozbot: Americans are skipping the bank: Reconsider that career as a bank teller.
BingoBoingo: http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2014/03/26/americans_are_skipping_the_bank_reconsider_that_career_as_a_bank_teller.html
punkman1: MisterE: the paper I linked
punkman1: "However, while MtGox claimed to have lost 850,000 bitcoins due to malleability attacks, we merely observed a total of 302,000 bitcoins ever being involved in malleability attacks. Of these, only 1,811 bitcoins were in attacks before MtGox stopped users from withdrawing bitcoins. Even more, 78.64% of these attacks were ineffective."
MisterE: I don't believe the malleability bug had much of anything to do with Gox's insolvency
BingoBoingo: moiety: Well they were one of the earliest crypto-concerns I had dealt with back in early 2013. I have a lot of notes. // Well I threw up in one or both party's residence at least once
mircea_popescu: do we know who they are ?
punkman1: someone should bug them to release all that data, would be good to have
punkman1: mircea_popescu: they had been gathering data since Jan 2013, transactions looking like malleability-attacks only spiked after the Mtgox press release
moiety: BingoBoingo: i'm looking forward to part 2 of vircurex btw // yeah theres nothing quite like university staff politics
mircea_popescu: benkay one doesn't get too far in life by paying any heed to the youth.
BingoBoingo: moiety: I've met both of them, but my knowledge of each is insufficient to make a judgment on who is likely more truthful
MisterE: benkay: most of the world is OK with a 20 years age diff
BingoBoingo: moiety: Probably a little bit of each, but I had moved on by then
benkay: mircea_popescu: except in the us where the notion of a 'wife' in the older than a decade sense is abhorrent to the youth.
MisterE: there's nothing wrong about being up front about the desire for security when selecting a mate
mircea_popescu: punkman1 so are they saying that mtgox made it up ?
rithm: These jokes are so high brow
asciilifeform: MisterE: if it weren't for emmy noether, would anyone ever know of bryn mawr ?
MisterE: ahh yes Bryn Mawr, the consolation prize of Ivy league schools
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BingoBoingo: moiety: Consolation prize maybe? http://thesouthern.com/news/local/student-levels-racism-charges-in-siu-department/article_0ed2a97a-cd94-11e2-a088-001a4bcf887a.html
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes. and he catalogued them into "martini" and "gin"
moiety: aww i was hoping for lycra in the link BingoBoingo
asciilifeform: admittedly through the lens of, well, whatever he was.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if i recall, the writer in question wasn't prescribing 'principles' for people, but tried to catalogue where various anthropological common threads (taboos among savages, etc.) were.
BingoBoingo: This is the professor in question who wears gym attire to lecture if anyone is curious http://mypage.siu.edu/geosched/
mircea_popescu: "2) Fairness/cheating: This foundation is related to the evolutionary process of reciprocal altruism."
mircea_popescu: "1) Care/harm: This foundation is related to our long evolution as mammals with attachment systems and an ability to feel (and dislike) the pain of others. It underlies virtues of kindness, gentleness, and nurturance."
asciilifeform: moiety: pet the manul (tm)
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It is the coloqualism for a sleeveless undershirt
mircea_popescu: wait wait... the plot thickens
mircea_popescu: "b) is actually Romanian, and perhaps in some relation to the Romanian Foreign service."
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moiety: i dont mean to contribute more fluff, but we might have to stage an intervention for asciilifeform; first the lolcats, now internet spam, it'll be reflinks next.... :o
mircea_popescu: wifebeater and pin skirt. now that'd be the outfit.
mircea_popescu: it's not the woman that's intimidating, of course. but she looks like the sort of men that'd pursue her might kill you
BingoBoingo: They wore basketball shorts and a wifebeater to lecture unless they had higher university business on a particular day
mircea_popescu: don't go up and strike a conversation with the tall woman. why not ? well...
BingoBoingo: TA'd for them
asciilifeform: there is also the undying, zoological enmity of mediocrity to anything colourful, alive.
mircea_popescu: maybe what the real problem is has more to do with lions. as long as we sit put and do nothing, a lot of pointless, small, provably impotent nothing...
mircea_popescu: but maybe that's only part of the problem.
mircea_popescu: his ready answer is that "The distressing possibility that the oldster agreed to be on the committee so that he would have a venue in which people would listen to him does not occur to the youngster."
mircea_popescu: "This oldster has tenure. He draws the same salary regardless of whether he sits through those interminable boring committee meetings. Why would he agree to do it? Why wouldn't he rather be playing squash, riding a horse, flying an aircraft, walking his dog, etc.?"
benkay: velly: you don't have to read the whole logs, just sit and lurk and digest
asciilifeform: who thrives on 'housing committee' and similar places. takes delight in demolishing orchards, at the owner's expense, for 'violations', and the like.
mircea_popescu: there we go
mircea_popescu: people derping about evil government have it all wrong. people WANT to spend their time toiling pointlessly, with small tools.
asciilifeform: the 'beetle type'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the more fascinating observation, reviewing this bowlfull of guts irc has graciously thrown at me, is just how... innate! the bureaucratic behaviour is.
mircea_popescu: not unrelated to "where can i read all about the english language ?" "uh... just pick up a book ?" "what if it sucks ?" "... what do you want from me!"
asciilifeform: i think the dynamics of pediwikia 'deletionism' are vaguely interesting - the innumerable pages on obscure fictional characters, etc. that stand perfectly firm, and so on. but the topic has been beaten to death elsewhere.
mircea_popescu: i think this convo may actually become canonical link-to for future people who have the problem.
mircea_popescu: that's the point :D
mircea_popescu: the beauty of life on earth is that no one has infinite time.
mircea_popescu: among them, making paper out of celophane
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there are probably numerous better uses fdor your time
asciilifeform: answered the 'you are a spammer' fellow, for what that's worth.
chetty: the interview log has a lot of good links
mircea_popescu: that you can't figure out that it is reliable and relevant doesn't make it the opposite.
velly: so why would I bother reading years of unreliable and irrelevant discussion
mircea_popescu: chetty i guess, if he were specifically a journalist looking for how to behave in the new, post-fiat world.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I really just wanted to take a picture of the diploma. I spent way too much on it for too little return. Having it in the Dossier at MP intel central at least makes up some of the waste
velly: how can I even know that the discussion in here is reliable or correct?
mircea_popescu: they can't be fucking serious lmao
mircea_popescu: velly it may seem preposterous to begin with, but take the word of a stranger in a chatroom :
mircea_popescu: velly not really. it's like a monk's life, you know ? no way to separate the learning from the toil.
velly: anything more directly informative? I'm not really sure I want to read through this whole log--- even so far there's a lot of fluff...
BingoBoingo: Lemme GPG and paste the credentials
mircea_popescu: so in that case maybe put together something ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I might actually have training and experience in the education field.
mircea_popescu: but i gather the consensus was, dump everything on lampelina and then scream at her for it not being right.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo yes there was.
BingoBoingo: Was there something earlier about needing an education experienced person to contribute to a reading list?
mircea_popescu: "In 1995, Erik started a journalism watch-group project on the web, campaigning to get a journalist sacked from Aftenposten following the publication of a sensationalist story about how Internet Relay Chat channels were used to trade child pornography."
asciilifeform: the man was loaded, left a very well-kept library that was auctioned off. and a cat. was a sort of disillusioned type.
asciilifeform: he did. very treatable disease (gastric something or other) left untreated. it was arguably a kind of suicide by self-neglect
velly: the irc log?
mircea_popescu: the people who had wikipedia accounts ?!
asciilifeform: commented on the wikiwankatron, for what that's worth.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: Student walks into a bookstore mid semester and sees no textbooks on the shelves, asks the manager what kind of bookstore is this. Manager replies, this is the bookstore you need. You just don't need it now.
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 either a) people are insane ; b) there's more afoot than meets the eye ; or c) the options were perceived as more of a risk source than revenue source.
mircea_popescu: it is now the pimporium.
BingoBoingo: The options emporium is open to anyone willing to MM options without shitting themselves
benkay: the options emporium, eh
benkay: the asset by ticker of S.MPOE is alive
benkay: this is distinct from the bot quoting.
benkay: no, there are no options on sale.
BingoBoingo: benkay: Sure, just the bot is on leave
BingoBoingo: At least MPEx and MPOE survived the February options stress test
mircea_popescu: meanwhile elsewere in the swamp,
mircea_popescu: there.
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TestingUnoDosTre: I see the numbers etc
TestingUnoDosTre: okay so for BitBet, how did you release the shares in blocks?
ozbot: The 5 Ws of WoT | When Bitcoin Met Pete
bitcoinpete: i'm heading out the door and i'll bbl but i just published this:
mircea_popescu: you remember bitcoin consultancy, i'm sure. the thing which is still liable for bitcoinica loss. you remember bitcoinica, i'm sure. the dry run for the mtgox fiasco.
mircea_popescu: "these girls are really horny and excited about doing this."
ozbot: Amir Taaki: Difference between revisions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
mircea_popescu: that's the book.
TestingUnoDosTre: errr sorry. Blocks is the word I'm looking for
mircea_popescu: that was the ipo.
TestingUnoDosTre: that's the page I'm looking at
mircea_popescu: that was the announcement
BingoBoingo: Each of the MPEx stocks IPO'd a bit differently. I imagine it is mircea_popescu Still working on a "best" way to do it.
mircea_popescu: there was only one round in s.nsa.
TestingUnoDosTre: but I'm wondering how much time it took for the next round to end
TestingUnoDosTre: on your page, you list the amount like 100,000 , and the price in BTC, like .00000001
mircea_popescu: stock is announced, people put bids in, stock is issued, then it trades.
BingoBoingo: I still can't believe Taaki wanted to self delete on the wiki
mircea_popescu: the taaki thing ?
jadne: the idea being somebody will come along later with a better grasp of how to fucking wite
mircea_popescu: waiot and there's a reddit ?!
mircea_popescu: i can't wrap my head around the notion someone seriously considered that thing is an article.
BingoBoingo: Note who suggested deletion of the Taaki article
mircea_popescu: i can't believe they're discussing each other's intentions as a pre-requisite to discussing whether they should be discussing if the thing should be discussed.
TestingUnoDosTre: it's hilarious because there's no real difference between an actual wikipedia talk/discussion and trolling
BingoBoingo: pankkake: Back in the days of it being library school homework I stealthed in some pages that didn't get the delte flag
mircea_popescu: maybe there is hope for our "stfu and go read for six months" approach to life.
pankkake: it's like half of the active editors are deleters
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Yeah, that is them derping about deleting or not.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i mean the second one you linked
ozbot: Talk:Mircea Popescu - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
BingoBoingo: in the Romanian language space in the past and has been gathering a lot of notice in the English language space. Since he doesn't seem to be slowing down on doing big thing or on attracting big headlines, criticism on the basis on notability sounds weak. Mr Wave (Talk - Contribs) 02:09, 27 March 2014 (UTC)"
BingoBoingo: My only contribution to the thing was: "Keep The footnotes seem to establish sufficient coverage to definitely establish notability worthy of inclusion in an encyclopedic reference. Media references to him seem likely to be sustained into the future so long as Bitcoin remains relevant. It should also be noted the the Romanian language sources that mention him do not detract from the notability. He's attracted substantial interest
BingoBoingo: MP's page isn't deleted, but they are "discussing it"
mircea_popescu: lol some massive trollage there huh.
MisterE: the wiki page on MP
ozbot: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mircea Popescu - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
mircea_popescu: whats the best alternative to password manager? just encrypt the file yourself with a password? << gpg --encrypt --armor -r yourname
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo by now, who even knows who reads the website proceeds.
jadne: but this evening i find myself alone at home and substantially bored and somebody here said something that caught my attention and i have not subsequently minimized the window
MisterE: WTF? where can i get one of them ASAP?
mircea_popescu: as if cocks now suck themselves or something.
mircea_popescu: TestingUnoDosTre nothing much really. like one of those 1950s broads, nose up in the air and a lot of hot puff in the head i'm sure.
TestingUnoDosTre: and hows the lelsSEC scandle proceeding?
mircea_popescu: way of the world.
mircea_popescu: before anyone does, however, no one either wants to or really intends to, and the future looks more like an end.
mircea_popescu: MisterE generally speaking, everything that exists has needs. after someone finances them their being financed seems the most natural, easiest thing in the world, and hardly worth the mention.
MisterE: yea moiety 2010 and it has a ski lift chair on the front
MisterE: mircea_popescu: if BSD was in trouble surely they had plenty of notice, years, that they were going to be in trouble? Why the suddenly, "we're broke and need a lifeline"?
moiety: i see the 2010 one now
MisterE: yea ThickAsThieves the wiki... and to be fair Frozen was not the worst movie I've ever watched
MisterE: nice work on the public corruption bit
ThickAsThieves: oh the wiki
ThickAsThieves: but I do appreciate it nonetheless
ThickAsThieves: <moiety> MisterE: why you watching frozen?! /// problyno the Frozen you think
TestingUnoDosTre: for example, I'm looking at the S.NSA page, and I see the buy quantities, but was thinking there might be timestamps next to each category.
moiety: wow was the wikipedia made with permission??
moiety: but they sing in it *shudders
MisterE: yea the girl looked nice
benkay: my business partner just found the seed for his electrum wallet
ozbot: Mircea Popescu - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
benkay: hex of the genesis block seems appropriate for this chapter in my life
benkay: vastly more than the bitstamp out of business one lolzolzo
benkay: so bitbet is averaging just about 1 accepted bet/day for the past two weeks
moiety: lol BingoBoingo i'm tempted by this one http://bitbet.us/bet/795/this-summer-will-be-the-hottest-on-record/
benkay: oh wow moiety just what are you planning to do with the tape now?
cazalla: i really hope redban baits andreas next time he is on the podcast
TestingUnoDosTre: whats the best alternative to password manager? just encrypt the file yourself with a password?
jadne: the drama is un-fucking-believable in some places
benkay: har the assettes? reasonable?
jadne: and then it just seemed like a reasonable group of people to spend idle time with
benkay: oh the talmud is complex
jadne: there doesnt seem to be any shellfish or dairy
benkay: well you're beyond help, neh? surely there's something afoot.
tg2: i guess people really want to keep their credentials in somebody elses hands, you can't deny that market demand
jadne: moiety: i think it is the general consensus that i am beyond help.
tg2: but they sold for like $2 to stumbleupon
tg2: i wanted to prove to him that it was a bad idea to buy dogecoins while they were on the decline
tg2: and then it went 6x in like 3 days
moiety: if you hated the first experience so much....
moiety speaks slowly: the logic behind it
tg2: look closer if you can't see the logic
moiety: tg2: so you hate the fact that you have all this doge... and this led you to think it would be a great idea to get a pile of dark coin? *failing to see the logic here*
moiety: christ, not another drama please - even if the last drama landed us in bitcoinmagazine in the end - i'd like a break.
benkay: you and every other *coiner sitting on a hoard.
tg2: i wish there was more volume
tg2: they sponsored a nascar team
BingoBoingo: Crash Doge? For the lulz?
benkay: well take the p/d elsewhere buddy.
tg2: which actually brought the price up to 68 satoshis
tg2: we just tell people straight up that their idea is worth less than the air they used to expel it from their mouths
tg2: I'm the 80's gen
tg2: good thing I'm not an old dude, born in the 70's
benkay: if i never work with another brilliant 20 year old again it'll be too soon
benkay: don't get on your developers' case about owning all their ip
benkay: a copyright notice at the bottom of your silly little webapp is all you really need
Mats_cd03: understand intents? have all of the money
tg2: Delta lets people semantically describe the past, present, and future. Based on these descriptions, Delta understand intents and can help you make your wishes become reality, by connecting you to people that offer solutions to your problems.
tg2: here's a good one, "Delta - the last web startup"
tg2: (and in no way am I underplaying the actual value of that)
tg2: montreal is home to the biggest porn company online