asciilifeform: to be fair, it is a little bit from the peculiar conditions where i live. most of the rentals are geared for students, and are gigantic, divided into rooms.
mircea_popescu: its been discussed in teh at some point coupla months ago, i don't recall the specifics
asciilifeform: quite the same here. and yet, i've been trying and failing to rent a house for ages.
mircea_popescu: much of rent is predicated on its operator familiarirt with the field, that doesn't seem to translate too well across a geographic distance
VanCleef: i think he should just sell the shares for 0.008 instead
mircea_popescu: which incidentally begs the question, why a merger with someone in a diff market ? does it benefit from equally good economics ?
mike_c: asciilifeform: well, no strong indications that it is run by scammers. just that they don't understand their relationship with havelock very well..
VanCleef: i dont know just haven't heard from them since
asciilifeform: mike_c: if only this existed in my town (and, run by something other than scammers)
mike_c: ^ heh. "rent shares rose on news that they will soon be forced to be worth 0.0075 btc"
mircea_popescu: VanCleef i have no idea, were they due a report or something ?
benkay: the20year3: do please explain precisely how this new tranche is working
VanCleef: or didthey just do a runner?
benkay: who knows - maybe there's three more months of going short btc via rent
benkay: topace: you can't make any claims about the code they're running if you can't make any claims about the code they're running.
mike_c: asciilifeform: https://www.havelockinvestments.com/fund.php?symbol=RENT they buy houses in ohio and rent them out.
topace: im sorry i can only comment on what i see on the site, i dont see a new tranche?
the20year3: I don't think they can put in an indefinite sell wall , and at any rate there's no reason for us to fundraise past $1.5m USD
mike_c: so what, the block of shares is just released at the same time that open market trading continues?
topace: because i wrote the code
benkay: well then how can you make any claims about what can or cannot happen on the exchange, topace?
topace: (remember, im no longer involved in running the exchange)
benkay: the20year3: it is staggering that you don't understand your own issuances.
mircea_popescu: "They did it with PETA" " did it with CBTC too" ?
mike_c: so enlighten us, how does a 2nd round ipo at a higher price than the market price work?
CheckDavid: You guys trade stocks of companies on these exchanges right with or without the need for personal identification?
the20year3: I may be wrong then
topace: the platform does not suspend orders below certain thresholds
topace: [12:40:35] <the20year3> HL will automatically suspend all buy orders under .0075, so all buys have to go in at .0075
mircea_popescu: the general fate to people telling me my information is not correct is aptly represented by one trendon shavers.
mircea_popescu: pankkake well other than it'll likely never generate any capital, it would resolve the problem yes.
pankkake: I mean do your second round on the open market, not on havelock special IPO feature
mircea_popescu: the20year3 at any point you may seriously consider your involvement in this scheme may actually result in criminal charges.
Mats_cd03: oh, i thought there might be a flighty finance term
the20year3: I don't think they're allowed to have an indefinite 2nd round, from my understanding we were required to have a set 2nd round
benkay: once again, never do business outside the wot
the20year3: As per my understanding they can sell after the 2nd round finishes, the same deal with the 1st round
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benkay: ;;gettrust the20year
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benkay: ;;gettrust the20year3
benkay: too bad you don't have the cash.
the20year3: maybe i should do that then
the20year3: Would it be free market if i went in and bought up all the shares below .0075?
benkay: does this not strike you as a gross breach of free market principles, the20year3 ?
the20year3: according to the policies on HL's site?
the20year3: They did it with PETA
mircea_popescu: obviously someone that owns shares can sell at any price they want.
VanCleef: the20year3
VanCleef: you will buy up the 0.005's?
VanCleef: how will u sell them at 0075?
mircea_popescu: the20year3 that should be interesting.
mike_c: good thing they opened up new TLDs or these cryptoexchanges would have run out of doman names by now.
the20year3: We will also begin our 2nd tranche on Monday the 31st at .0075btc/share.
the20year3: I'm publishing the announcement shortly, but RentalStarter will be acquiring CryptoREI and thus add a North Carolina branch to our business.
benkay: xdotcommer: there's already internet.
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benkay: if the 'crypto enthusiasiast' wants to build crypto humans use...
mircea_popescu: mike_c how did that thing settle down in the end ? "bitcoin's fault" ?
mike_c: if the three 19 year old CSS developers want to open an options exchange..
mircea_popescu: xdotcommer well sure. but in the same sense, if the twelve year old wants to have twins, let her ?
xdotcommer: mircea_popescu: I did not mean for me... if the guy wants to do encryption in the browser ... I say let him go for it
benkay: last year city council passed some rules about how pedestrians can walk out into the street and demand the right of way
asciilifeform: 'Encryption in the Browser' << satan preserve us
Mats_cd03: hollywood is the one pure truth
nubbins`: said something about how he goes there and pitches people's ideas back to them, making them weep when confronted with their own stupidity
nubbins`: ah, that other guy was going on about that last night
xdotcommer: You guys are preaching to the choir I am all for this pgp stuff ... just was hard to figure out after night of boozing
benkay: i don't care about the 2k
Mats_cd03: theres like, cryptography, and hashes, and stuff
xdotcommer: benkay: just telling you how it works... if its a popular site you know then guy aint going to runk with your 2K
asciilifeform: to run with the analogy, the plane in question doesn't notice the idiot in the gear well at all.
nubbins`: the question is whether the airplanes will reach the point where the landing gear kills people
asciilifeform: there is definitely a parallel here.
nubbins`: people say "i want to fly!" and they run after it, grabbing onto the wheels, not realizing the effect their dead weight will have on it
tg2: itt: every exchange in the last year
asciilifeform: (better excuse than the 'targeting error' that demolished the chinese embassy in belgrade. the one that happened to contain the pieces of the 'stealth' machine.)
Mats_cd03: and thats all the ranting i have for this morning
Mats_cd03: so the best warfighters and leaders of this generation are rapidly being replaced by... high school seniors
MisterE: Mats_cd03: they know all they will need soon are an army of kids controlling bots in a video game like theater
Mats_cd03: whats worse is mustangs in the system are discouraged by design
asciilifeform: (to the british)
mircea_popescu: er to spot. Did you lose a sony? It could be the Penguin. I think we can round him up, hes dressed like a PENGUIN! We can find him, hes a PENGUIN!
mircea_popescu: , the police come over to your house, they fill out: The Report. They give you: Your Copy. Now, unless they give the crook his copy, I dont really think were gonna crack this case, do you? Its not like Batman, where theres three crooks in the city and everybody pretty much knows, who they are. Very few crooks even go to the trouble to come up with a theme for their careers anymore. It makes them a lot tough
mircea_popescu: JERRY: I got ripped off for about the...18th time? And now, the first couple a times you go through it, its very upsetting and your first reaction or one of your friends will say, Call the police. You really should call the police. So you think to yourself, you know, you watch TV, you think, Yeah, Im calling the police. Stakeouts, manhunts... Im gonna see some real action. Right, you think that. So
Mats_cd03: basically a trial by fire for the tactically inept
MisterE: so does the covert op
asciilifeform: the sapper errs once.
asciilifeform: intelligence doesn't kill people << certainly. this goes back centuries - e.g. inquisitor would hand the heretic over to the 'secular arm' for processing.
asciilifeform: ever hear the saying 'see Naples and die' ?
Mats_cd03: probably something to do with how low the barrier to entry is for military types...
asciilifeform: my secret hope is to meet the interesting ones some day. although it will probably be before my firing squad.
Mats_cd03: people that have spent time working in military intelligence are the worst
MisterE: heh yea, they regularly parade through ##security
Mats_cd03: aspiring super spy types and idiots that think they know something
Mats_cd03: many people in the intel field ive become acquainted with
mircea_popescu: intelligence types are better company than almost any other class
asciilifeform: Mats_cd03: if you want to leave meat in the sun and no flies, you will have to go to the arctic.
Mats_cd03: the nonzero percentage of intelligence types involved in bitcoin makes my stomach turn
mircea_popescu: so they tried something along the lines of what seems a meanwhile abandoned project to inject title
asciilifeform: that would line up nicely with 'he had XXX but there's still XXXXX that we haven't rectothermed out'
MisterE: it's probably already CIA's favorite way to fund the covert trouble it starts
mircea_popescu: a more persuasive theory is that the usg used this opportunity to launder its own mining proceeds.
asciilifeform: carefully specified 'run away' - because, e.g. 'dpr' appears to have been successfully rectothermed.
asciilifeform: (it has become almost traditional to confiscate the bank account of the accused, so he cannot pay for lawyers)
mircea_popescu: such as, to cover its own shortfall, or as directed by a frient of its (such as a regulator, without a court order) or in any other case.
MisterE: There's something even worse than fiat though
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform also allows the BANK to withdraw
asciilifeform: re: mircea_popescu's thoughts the other day about bank accounts being mandatory in u.s. - typically, when you sign up for direct deposit of salary here, you also sign a pact that allows the employer to withdraw.
nubbins`: also, the price of bitcoin
mircea_popescu: just as soon as the supreme court rules it must.
MisterE: she went out and spent it all and tried to play it off when they cam calling, silly Asians, she was paying it off for ages
asciilifeform: '...officials at Texas Steel Conversion mistakenly issued Cesar Jaime Saldivar a paycheck for $99,275, and now they want it back. Saldivar, 25, who was captured on video making a large cash withdrawal, has been charged with felony theft...'
MisterE: those are the numbers from lost
ozbot: TIL a dying Carl Sagan's last words were literally "420 blaze it, Faggot." He whispered them to his
nubbins`: <mircea_popescu> soo, the mpoe astrology department informs me that april the 20th, other than being orthodox easter, is also going to be a grand cross and the first of four blood moons. <<< it's also 420 CARL SAGAN BLAZE IT YO
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dexX7: 505 oh noez... i guess no more hookers and blow till the tide shifts again ;)
jurov: and for one i'm wondering what's the "grand cross"
MykelSIlver: must be a miracle if this was the Low till May
mike_c: please ask the astrology dept what the lucky lotto numbers are for a cancer under such conditions.
Namworld: I call that a "Look, the moon is fucking brown-orange."
Namworld: What the hell is a blood moon?
Namworld: And not actively handled, so there's that. Should be fine.
mircea_popescu: soo, the mpoe astrology department informs me that april the 20th, other than being orthodox easter, is also going to be a grand cross and the first of four blood moons.
nubbins`: i'm just looking at the new releases, they've got a coin with a frog made from venetian glass attached to it
nubbins`: reminds me of the canadian owl coin
nubbins`: the mongolian one is pretty sick
moiety: nubbins`: so, look what i found... http://colnect.com/en/coins/coin/36009-500_Manat_Pallas_Cat-Wildlife_Series-Turkmenistan they're in fiat already!
bounce: what're we going to see next, bitcoin mining container ships following low electricity prices around the globe?
tg2: Can't have different government departments treating it differently to their preference
dexX7: lol wow via pm "Basically, I want to write some VB modules which can send bitcoin transactions. Of course, there aren't many examples out there how to do that. If we could talk on the telephone for 15 minutes, you'll save me about 3 days work." ... suuure
MisterE: I dont think we're there yet
TomServo: Resolves May 1st, unless it crosses sooner - the way I read it.
MykelSIlver: look like the next leg down
assbot: !mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)
assbot: I don't know those people, and they don't look very friendly.
MykelSIlver: What is the Low on Bitstamp?
TomServo: pretty quick swing there!
VanCleef: i hope he goes bald then every male has to have a bald haircut my hair is thinning so if i go bald too i am so moving to north korea because you'll be able to get all teh chicks as baldness becomes cool
moiety: i think these ones are just protesting for legal weed...in front of a bank http://i.imgur.com/LjIWfvZ.png
moiety: im glad manuls are illegal in the us, they dont have to deal with the gvt. also not naturally there so they should be left alone to survive as long as possible.
moiety: mircea_popescu: i think some of them think its a parade
mircea_popescu: http://thefreeonline.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/antonio-pah-popular-edu-bayer_ediima20130726_0647_16.jpg like that one
mircea_popescu: some of the pics quite lulzy.
mircea_popescu: http://thefreeonline.wordpress.com/2014/03/24/stop-the-evictions-55-banks-occupied-today-2/
mircea_popescu: i heard manuls are now illegal in the united states.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: why does it say "This user has not authenticated for more than 16156 days" ? i've authed like... yesterday
ozbot: Man Arrested for Public Consumption of Iced Tea Urged to Take a "Deal" from Prosecutors | The Daily
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ozbot: If bitcoins were around in the '90s... - YouTube
ThickAsThieves: mostly at the NZ pm's expense
ThickAsThieves: this video on the Internet Party site has some laughs
mircea_popescu: that thing should have read "We thought we knew better than MP, but we did not. We will now wear rough burlap on the skin for the next year as penace"
ThickAsThieves: "However, tax treatment of Bitcoin as a property, and not a currency, may make compliance with tax laws unnecessarily cumbersome and imposes untenable recording and reporting requirements on its users. This is an unwelcome result for most bitcoin users, but is particularly detrimental to those that Bitcoin can help the most: small business and underbanked individuals. When it is used
mircea_popescu: (before being repurposed by english to mean "criminal", felony denoted the behaviour of the overly-socially adaptable, they who go from inflexible grandeur in the presence of inferiors to abject suckupitude should any superiors show up. de funes in the gendarme series is a fine example)
ThickAsThieves: he's the only one i recall repeating how much he recently made of something
ThickAsThieves: it was all the claims of riches that made me think so
ozbot: Good Morning ~ Singin' in the Rain (1952) Gene Kelly, Debbie Reynolds & Donald O'Connor - YouTube
jurov: unless namecoin is used .. but then we're back to private keys anyway
xdotcommer: there is no point... I am here cause wasted ur here cause bored
xdotcommer: granted I am cant think of anything better at the moment but this is not elegant
xdotcommer: then we can talk
xdotcommer: if they can prove ownership of domain
xdotcommer: cause in adult what we do is we trust people based on domains they own
gribble: The operation succeeded.
tg2: bitcoin, the best ponzi
xdotcommer: i like the idea of free dns
benkay: .bit is the new .ponzi
tg2: you will be left with a void of trust the likes of which WOT cannot comprehend
moiety: it was a cool concept, with the wrong users
tg2: and then you're gonna be like "OH MAN WHATTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT NO WAY"
tg2: benkay, you'll know who I am when the time is right
xdotcommer: moiety: whats the site thats giving u pains?
gribble: Error: You have to have received some ratings in order to rate other users.
xdotcommer: he gave a gift or rating to others
tg2: who rates the raters
xdotcommer: the one with power to rate
xdotcommer: who was on top of the rating pyramid
xdotcommer: we cant even shill each other
gribble: Error: You have to have received some ratings in order to rate other users.
moiety: shit thing is i lost my job in the process
benkay: learn the html, css, js
benkay: there's an appropriate amount of dwelling and contrition from which one can learn things
moiety: all ages ago, onwards and upwards as they say
moiety: like i shouldve just said no, not taken the site and left it at that. avoided all dramatics and the like
benkay: still wrapped up in it then
moiety: fast + cheap to send is all it takes? better make my manuls fast as fuck then
benkay: was this in reference to the chatthing moiety ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
xdotcommer: are u saying ur better then dogecoin person?
benkay: <xdotcommer> wait no they have 900+
benkay: well, we trolled each other hard for about a week when BingoBoingo returned from his self-imposed exile lo these many months ago
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moiety: i didnt know you had had differences benkay, im glad they are settled
xdotcommer: wait no they have 900+
benkay: they're trying
benkay: plan to read logs in the am?
tg2: perhaps tomorrow morning they will have returned
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xdotcommer: ahahha this guy tells us to register then makes fun of us for not having rating in their system
tg2: but now strangers on the internet know how legitimate I am
benkay: you'd have had to read logs and shit to get the joke
benkay: don't pay it too much bother
benkay: it's a reference for others, tg2
Apocalyptic: poor mircea, he will have a hard time reading the log later today
gribble: Error: You have to have received some ratings in order to rate other users.
tg2: that is how the trust system works
gribble: Error: You have to have received some ratings in order to rate other users.
gribble: Error: You have to have received some ratings in order to rate other users.
MisterE: that dude with the 2.5 ph!!
gribble: (rate <nick> <rating> [<notes>]) -- Enters a rating for <nick> in the amount of <rating>. Use optional <notes> field to enter any notes you have about this user. <nick> must be the user's GPG-registered username, Your previously existing rating, if any, will be overwritten.
xdotcommer: maybe there is like 5 of us
tg2: click yes on all the prompts
tg2: click the first link
tg2: search in the ask toolbar for "gpg fast direct download"
Apocalyptic: did you decrypt the OTP ?
Apocalyptic: xdotcommer, ;;eregister is the first command