benkay: ;;later tell mircea_popescu what would be the implications of sorting gribble market output by exchange volume?
benkay: nanotube: what would be the implications of sorting gribble market output by exchange volume?
benkay: helluva power law on the volume
MisterE: yea just the auth request part
kakobrekla: i want to take the credit :D
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pankkake: I don't know much besides https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=361852.0 and him doing an IPO every other week
novusordo: you can message nickserv "set enforce on" to automatically kick people off your username after 30 seconds if they haven't authed
bitcoinpete: this Michail1 must be protector and defender of noobs then
bitcoinpete: i thought people knew better than to work with unauthenticated people
bitcoinpete: not yet, but you're right, that's the first thing to do
bitcoinpete: kakobrekla: thanks for the rating! was wondering if you know what to do about some other guy who rated me -1 with comment "Nick squatter using this nick to scam you. Ask in channel to have this scammer authenticate." http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=bitcoinpete&sign=ANY&type=RECV
MisterE: -assets should fund the space elevator!
nubbins`: anyway, one more link then bed
MisterE: in thailand your fee is a percentage of the damages you seek
nubbins`: seems impossibly foolhardy in retrospect, but they were simpler times
nubbins`: bounce: generally historic courts did not impose a 10btc fee on the plaintiffs, only 9btc of which will be returned in the event of a win.
kakobrekla: ona day he has all btc, the next none, the third some, the fourth all again, but on the fifth it seems all is gone.
bounce: you know, there's a long history of (non-bitcoin) courts and such, and also a long history of abuse in various forms. question then is why and when doesn't such a system get abused (or at least not too much, and then what is this not too much you speak of)?
nubbins`: ketchup and plastic film are two products where i always spend extra to get the name-brand stuff
the20year1: Did you know there are 3 grades of ketchup?
nubbins`: "i got a loan and paid it back" is just another way of saying "i'm not going to pay back the first loan that's big enough"
MisterE: kakobrekla: yea thats where I got the idea
MisterE: I just want to get my rating off the ground
the20year1: and out of that, among the 450ish users, some should be on irc & btct
MisterE: get them on wot ASAP
the20year1: Lucky for me, the bulk of my investors aren't on either, however it'd be good going forward to have good ratings on both
the20year1: i'm sure the best answer is 'get both' , but i'm coming to realize that trust is good, it might save me some cash over the next 2 months
MisterE: the20year1: same
MisterE: fees are always the plantiff's burden
nubbins`: at least if there's no fee to register a defence, he's got nothing to lose by participating
nubbins`: having the defendant pay 10btc creates a strong disincentive to participate
nubbins`: rota was a fine idea but just incorrectly structured from the start. it'd probably still be going if it was set up the way i've outlined ;D
nubbins`: i don't think there are any problems left ;D
nubbins`: solving all of them at once, really
nubbins`: tell me if people wouldn't be encouraged to solve their own problems rather than whining to btc dad
MisterE: sorry I came in late in the chat
mircea_popescu: MisterE was a self-nomination thing, originally. see the article
MisterE: who picks judges and where they come from?
nubbins`: if defendant wins, he gets the 9btc.
mircea_popescu: do they make 3 btc if defendant wins, and 0 if plaintiff wins ?
mircea_popescu: and who pays the judges ?
nubbins`: you want the rota to solve your problems for you, it costs you 1btc.
mircea_popescu: plaintif wins. gets 10 btc back. who pays the judges ?
nubbins`: so you remove the defendant's fee, which solves the problem you identified where mpex gets bled dry, and you make 1btc of the plaintiff's fee non-refundable, which solves the payroll problem
mircea_popescu: the loser's goes to judges and 1 btc left over.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` no dood. 2parties contribute 10 btc each. the winner gets his 10 btc back
nubbins`: i can almost hear the gears turning from here... although it could just be the cat snoring ;(
nubbins`: if you buy a can of coke here, you pay eight cents recycling deposit. you bring the empty can back, you get five cents.
nubbins`: all the more reason to avoid frivolous claims, no?
nubbins`: so the plaintiff's 10btc fee is refundable to 9btc if he wins.
mircea_popescu: i was privately underwriting the risk that judges may not get 30 cases/year
mircea_popescu: 30 cases a year pay for the 30.
mircea_popescu: and if you recall, the 10 btc - 3x3 = 1 leftover.
nubbins`: anyway, unless that 30btc was supposed to come from the leftover 1btc of the losing party's money (30 cases per judge per year!), i can only imagine that you were privately funding the judges' salaries
nubbins`: well, how were you planning to pay the 30btc?
mircea_popescu: and im merely arguing that since every top job out there pays a salary + bonuses, that model is unavoidable.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` and how do you pay the 30 btc ?
nubbins`: anyway, you're arguing that salary doesn't work because pay-by-the-hour makes it seem like less of a chore
joecool: i had a case some years back that was delayed nearly 2 years because the judge assigned was waiting for his retirement request to finalize
nubbins`: he knows the workload involved when he signs up. once all judges are booked up, you have a backlog.
nubbins`: workload would be the obvious one
mircea_popescu: not paying the judges per case has a host of problems
mircea_popescu: everyone with their head in a box, X-coin Y-coin blergh
nubbins`: maybe the defendant doesn't have to pay a fee because we're not paying the judges per-case anymore
nubbins`: i can't keep up with them, you tell me :D
nubbins`: well, if you look at it that way, the rota was a solution in search of a problem
mircea_popescu: then problem solved ?
nubbins`: THERE ISN'T ONE
Duffer1: what's the incentive to defend yourself ever?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ordinary 'heat pipe' works great, so long as you have a massive sink on the other side. heat pipe can be thought of as a refrigerator without a compressor.
mircea_popescu: yet pc would seem one of the best applications
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: magneto-hydrodynamic coolant pump ? one sees them in patents often, but for some reason never in pc.
mircea_popescu: what prevents someone from suing everyone in sight if there's no cost to it ?
mircea_popescu: nubbins` so what you mean is, make the cases costless ?
mircea_popescu: i wonder why there doesn't exist some sort of magnetic heat extractor device!
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: in the post mortem example, all i see is: mpex receives 100btc, mpex returns 100btc, mpex pays judges 3btc each
pankkake: my case has filters, the case wasn't that dusty after months of operation
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: apple is selling, i think, a machine of just this shape. but, as you can probably guess, i'd rather not buy it.
mircea_popescu: all fans in a tube can't fail at the same time
pankkake: back to the slower passive gpu, which at least still works
mircea_popescu: well you are. inasmuch the defendant passively receives X btc and is then required to return X+e, the entire thing is an extraction engine
nubbins`: mircea_popescu well pretty hard to buy off judges if the judges don't get paid any extra for taking the case
pankkake: huge aluminum stuff - but they tell you to have case fans though
pankkake: there are some passive heatsinks though
mircea_popescu: nubbins` wouldn't have had any impact in the matter that sunk it
nubbins`: seems to me like if you remove the per-case judge payment and stick to the yearly sum, the rota would involve a whole lot less QQing
pankkake: I'm not sure they actually sold it
kakobrekla: these are apparently water cooled as well
asciilifeform: the 6-pin molexes are probably intel's 'p4' too.
asciilifeform: it wants to have the same mechanicals as a 'xeon'
asciilifeform: hence the quad die.
asciilifeform: look at the 'octopus'
mircea_popescu: but forget the sanity. it pleaseth my eye
asciilifeform: is the author here?
mircea_popescu: imo it's horrid design, you'd have wanted the 4 separated towards corners or something
asciilifeform: why cram them in one?
asciilifeform: that multi-die beast looks like a thermal nightmare though
mircea_popescu: also the central thing.
mircea_popescu: this shit looks quite aesthetically pleasing
peterl: Some cell phones these days have very nice cameras
nubbins`: who knows, maybe they couldn't afford a $99 samsung point-and-shoot because they spent every last dime on legitimate businessy things
gribble: Roman Rota - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Rota>; Rota Background - CanonLaw.info: <http://www.canonlaw.info/personal_rotademo.htm>; Addresses of courts - Arcibiskupství pražské: <http://www.apha.cz/en/addresses-of-courts-text>
asciilifeform: in other news, my site (should anyone give a damn) is back.
nubbins`: fuck-the-cops.biz!
nubbins`: "let's use a cell phone camera for the photos for our big announcement"
nubbins`_: too many commas, otherwise ok
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=wtmi | wtmi. Way to much information. Often used by women(and somethimes men) to pronounce that something is indeed gross or sickening and they dont want to ...
nubbins`_: fun fact, ROTA was an acronym for Rand of the Ayn
peterl: what is the use of such a thing if it is not real?
BingoBoingo: I suppose a good rule of thumb for any court would be that parties wanting redress from Pankkake are prolly in the wrong
peterl: didnt they have a Rota for that sort of thing?
Duffer1: then came to a head today as dotcoin threatened to sue pankkake
benkay: not really trolling. dotcoin's being evasive and the channel kinda got pissed.
Juelcf: whats the deal with dotcoin? why was everyone trolling?
dotcoin: serious people here can join our newsletter than they will informed http://thebictoinnews.co.uk and people with problems or questions can contact me by email contact@bitcoinsarl.fr
Juelcf: i would like to know also what the fuck is going on here
Duffer1: has there been any followup to that?
benkay: let's keep this one in reserve for when the SEC gets you, mircea_popescu http://destroyed-and-abandoned.tumblr.com/image/81101546098
benkay: i'll let you know when i find the moose sausage popcorn, nubbins`
bounce: eutelsat netblock. talk about being out in the boonies.
dotcoin: if this one user have a loss will pay him if contact me, ask now why make a force back buy, tell you martin the friend of jurov told me we must sell shares there, as we not have need, this i stop trading on cryptostocks that was simple and not any to to i rip of a guy of 0.0005 btc
Duffer1: who was running the pass through?
mircea_popescu: dotcoin it's in the link above. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-03-2014#594053
mircea_popescu: dotcoin so now we get to the part where you issued a stock on cryptostocks and then did a forced buyback for a lower price.
kakobrekla: a there you are
jurov: ^ typical communication style. no help there
dotcoin: specialy for the trolls without name
mircea_popescu: mike_c not everyone has python developers at their beak and call.
jurov: and who are you then?
dotcoin: yes is the forensick guy
mircea_popescu: jurov would this be foresnick or some other guy ?
jurov: nubbins`_: martin is our mutual acquaintance that was supposed to be cofounder of bitcoin bourse and helped me to decide to invest there
nubbins`_: not exactly but you can still be prosecuted under the Analogue Act
dotcoin: a so jurov i want to tell you what ever your friend martin lies to you is not the truth, and to accuse me for scam in this case in forums is not the best way to hear the other site of this story between martin and me, you are shareholder you try now to accuse me of scam so what i have think about that? do you think is a productive way for your shares? more than i not scam any
mircea_popescu: doesn't really matter what you perceive the average to be. the idea is to stand out at the top not to muddle around the middle.
mircea_popescu: dotcoin you have this strange comparison to the mean mentality.
dotcoin: do you het it for free anywhere in the world?
kakobrekla: spent them for dotcoin mansion
mircea_popescu: apparently you issued stock, then did a forced buyback at a loss.
dotcoin: what do you think where they are gone?
Juelcf: the new bourse website looks good and works good
dotcoin: and you want to know where they are gone?
dotcoin: and if so what is the problem about a IPO is to raise money or not
jurov: and they are not heard of since
dotcoin: the case is you are friend of martin and he is not happy to get out of bourse right?
kakobrekla: the bourse thingy was german iirc
dotcoin: so what is the case jurov
nubbins`: pankkake is the language of love
nubbins`: how in the world is your lawyer going to send a letter to me :(
dotcoin: you can read when you in problems with me on the letter he will send you
nubbins`: says there he has a lawyer
dotcoin: you run the bitcoin
dotcoin: or any other usefull stuff
nubbins`: i gave him all the info i had about pankkake
dotcoin: so tell me guys where is the problem
mircea_popescu: you seem to be having a bit of a problem there dotcoin.
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user dotcoin: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=dotcoin | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=dotcoin | Rated since: never
dotcoin: yes happy shareholders not accuse the company of scam
mircea_popescu: jurov you two know each other ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, as encouragement, i'll gift either 100k ATC or 0.1 BTC for the best article there.
mircea_popescu: course... it'd kinda put the various btcnews sites out of business, so i understand now what this is all about. you're all trying to sabotage bitcoinsarl, jarl and etc.
mircea_popescu: The Collective Trilema Too Long Didn't Romprehend
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=289730.msg5993394#msg5993394 << see, now that's a paid troll on point and good at what he does. rapid, efficient, a wonder to behold. not like the rest of you bums
kakobrekla: this goes there
mircea_popescu: me either.
mircea_popescu: where's that nubbins` quote ? "if their business was doing something pointless they'd be doing it very well"
kakobrekla: well as it turns out to be i havent managed to figure out who suggested to put up the wiki
mircea_popescu: wait, the entire drama with pankkake and davout in the forums was simply some french dork's idea of how to launch yet another wannabe-mpex thing ?
pankkake: time to call the AntiTrust Brigade
jurov: Investor Info: http://thebitcoinnews.co.uk/investor-relations/
jurov: Symbol: TBN The Bitcoin News Shares
jurov: it's behind registration, so for sake of record i'll list what he trades there:
jurov: another "next mpex"
nubbins`: yeah, apparently i've been advised to figure out who the guy's lawyer is and present myself to him
nubbins`: ah, to be a fly on the wall
turbo_ac100: reason: "This is currently only supported by a few of the largest websites. An example of a working value is: http://suggestqueries.google.com/complete/search?output=firefox&client=firefox&hl=en&q={searchTerms}"
turbo_ac100: kakobrekla: you are developing bibet? If you want to go wild add suggestions to the search.
mircea_popescu: you gonna dump your refling into the results ?
mircea_popescu: o its like a bookmarklet or w/e they're called ?
turbo_ac100: mircea_popescu: forgot about the plugin.
mircea_popescu: kinda the hiring criteria.
mwashaka: nope, just somthing hit me, thought for a split second you were the same person
mwashaka: think i will lean towards AsicMiner until they are more transparent, as that is my current issue with them
ozbot: [BTC-TC] CryptX introduces the PETA-MINE - 18,000 CHIPS IN SEPTEMBER/UPDATE
mwashaka: but im not really in with AsicMiner, but it seems good what they are doing
mircea_popescu: kinda besides the point. a history of not respecting contracts isn't washed away by adding more numbers.
mwashaka: have orders for a further 600 TH/s
mwashaka: ahhh that was the old mine
ozbot: [BTC-TC] CryptX introduces the PETA-MINE - 18,000 CHIPS IN SEPTEMBER/UPDATE
mircea_popescu: mwashaka so they say they bought some bitfury chips and sorta-kinda pay out about 50% of whatever "investors" invest
nubbins`: granted, the game ended up being called eulora, so i guess it's moot anyway
nubbins`: it's because nobody's ponying up their fuckin taxes
nubbins`: mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2013/retained-cto-first-public-commission-other-statements/#comment-93626
Duffer1: is there !bash for bitcointalk?
pankkake: mircea_popescu: and the quote is out of context :( it was about domain bots
mircea_popescu: turbo_ac100 by the way, this reminds me, what happened wit the firefox bitbet plugin ?
mircea_popescu: we could have a super secret super club, like the mile high club, except more nerdy. "people who have been made famous by misdoxxing"
mircea_popescu: davout wait wait WAIT! they actually used a pic of gainsbourg as part of doxxing one of you two ?!
ozbot: Threats to extort and blackmail BCT companies by the user 'pankkake'
pankkake: I finally stopped caring and they suck me back in :(
pankkake: they PM me
mircea_popescu: pankkake what i don't understand of all this is... why do you pm with these dorks ?
CheckDavid: You were profiling the a average scammer?
mircea_popescu: there's some discussion of the scammer as a tragic figure in the logs but i'm kinda too lazy to hunt for it.
mircea_popescu: CheckDavid people that have a problem with authority usually end up toiling on their own.
Duffer1: i think stuart is a genuine bagholder, i think minerpart is one of the slaughter family, i think that coindesk guy is a scammer
mircea_popescu: so no, they never invested anything. they had hopes of being paid by the scammors. which they're not getting.
mircea_popescu: consequently, you... um... you took their jerbs
mircea_popescu: you must have been doing the same thing, they figure, and also for some scams (they figure, cause nothing else exists in the world)
mircea_popescu: i would imagine they're just butthurt at what they imagine is unfair competition. ie, they were shilling for a bunch of scams, the scams went nowhere.
mircea_popescu: and all the nonsense about autorite de la concurrence
mircea_popescu: pankkake well considering how much effort they put into "outing" imaginary shills, socks etc,
pankkake: many people in common… which is kinda strange, they still had coins, and still investemed them?!
mircea_popescu: this officially beats the "bitbet followed its faq how dares it!!11" thing
mircea_popescu: this is pretty epic tho, the neobee bag holders and the actm bag holders gathering together in one nuclear blast of sheer rage
Duffer1: ken slaughter won't end it so they can start to grieve properly, he keeps stringing them along
pankkake: and you can't get away from it, I stopped writing in their thread but they're still mad as hell
Duffer1: it's almost hard to watch the ActM victims lash out at those who would rescue them from drowning