BingoBoingo prolly ought to try compiling general tourist information/anthropology overview on the subject
mircea_popescu: strange notions of "essence" and "ousia" and what have you -- they're all euro reverberations of "middle earth got this perfume thing going!?!?!?!"
BingoBoingo: And yet... the folks keep rediscovering without reading
BingoBoingo: To be fair the latest western US forum wank on the subject is butane extraction of active ingredients from the lowers, while... ethanol extraction of the same active ingredients is rumoured to work. That wank is still prolly a good 2 to 5 years out from Uruguay though
mircea_popescu: (i suspect the whole reason us culture is so gender-awkward, btw, is that sometime (in the 1880s ?) older kids told younger kids "how hard it is" and it stuck as part of the culture in that culture-less place.)
mircea_popescu: but yes, he's also correct. most of the "difficulty" is forum-wank, whereby the kids that can ride a bike tell the kids underage watching in amazement what incredible skill it takes to ride a bike.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Aficianados also specifically want unfertilized flowers, so creating male free environments is another optimization wank drawing substantial faffs
mircea_popescu: bout three or four years after they started giving monsanto columbia's tax money for no reason.
mircea_popescu: nobody's cancelled that, by the way. get out, you're wasting your life.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-05 15:40 ave1: In more http://trilema.com/2017/time-to-get-out-by-the-way/, we get https://www.particlesforjustice.org/.
BingoBoingo: Where they end up slow cooking plants like deli rotisserie chicken and scream "Too Hard"
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: From my understanding and interviews the more desirable cultivars are just as happy to live and grow. All the wank around them simply appears to be optimization problems.
asciilifeform: ( and that the ditch-growing variant dun do much when taken )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i was under impression that the 'cultured', oil-rich variant were tricker
BingoBoingo: And somehow afficianados manage to still kill the plants
mircea_popescu: too long cycle for their attention span.
BingoBoingo: Plant's pickier. They call cannabis weed for a reason, just won't die
asciilifeform: incidentally, i wonder why coke aficionados dun grow the plant themselves, the way potheads do
mircea_popescu: anyway, the 0.2 was prolly first cut already. http://trilema.com/2013/what-the-drug-trade-is-how-the-drug-trade-works-and-why-silk-road-didnt-work-and-didnt-matter/#selection-87.78-87.104 <
asciilifeform: so leaf node, then.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-05 16:43 BingoBoingo: In other local news: drug gang slowly took over public housing complex, used it to "warehouse" trivial quantity of drugs https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/desarticulan-clan-narco-que-tomo-complejo-de-casas-2018104203434
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-05#1858552 << 0.2kg of 'white gold' doesn't seem 'trivial'... then again i am not subj expert
mircea_popescu: certainly something the foundation could've been advertising itself as doing, lo these many years.
mircea_popescu: imo we should have lookup version first and foremost. but if diana_coman has the time/inclination, implemnenting both isn't the end of world anyway.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman nah, listen, just implement a crc32. it's very simple indeed, i quited the polynomial used, just divide by it and keep the change.
BingoBoingo: Since this is a "public" building it remains to be seen if the bulldozers come out like they did for the ancient squat on the other side of the impoverished north
BingoBoingo: In other local news: drug gang slowly took over public housing complex, used it to "warehouse" trivial quantity of drugs https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/desarticulan-clan-narco-que-tomo-complejo-de-casas-2018104203434
asciilifeform: btw there's a 'fixed buffer <--> stream' item in there that prolly oughta get genesised, i expect it'll come in handy.
asciilifeform: ( imho the only situation where stream abstraction makes sense is when you have serial i/o of variably-sized crapola. to date i've used'em in only 1 piece, the classical-btc block/tx reader/writer , 'nqb' )
asciilifeform: diana_coman: there really aren't so many things that legitimately call for 'streams', i have nfi what the standard authors were thinking...
diana_coman: I'm actually thinking whether to add a simple crc32(array of octets) -> unsigned_32 to EuCrypt; presumably it will be of larger utility anyway;
diana_coman: asciilifeform, yes, that's where I went after ave1 pointed out that the gnat.crc32 is just a stream-wrapper
ave1: In more http://trilema.com/2017/time-to-get-out-by-the-way/, we get https://www.particlesforjustice.org/.
jurov: Hello, I am not sitting on bag of fiat to seek auctioning it off, but when anyone in my wot comes like "halp!!!" i will help them sell coins if possible.
mircea_popescu: in other ideas : anyone wanna get a toll free us number & redirect it to here ? seems the better way to work that whole "or call xxx" angle.
asciilifeform: btw i'm beginning to think #e is the last chan being spammed... even shithole #linux-rockchip was left alone
asciilifeform: ( i'd really like to not have to eat the spamola in #e , i'll admit )
mircea_popescu: i dun see a problem, if the owners wanna.
asciilifeform: ok where's the castle
mircea_popescu: in point of fact this is a well oiled piece of machinery that we've fine tuned over year+ in the other hall.
mod6: gets me on the regular
mod6: lol, thing tab-completes to the bot every time.
mircea_popescu: hanbot do me a favour and add a wu thing for the fellows also. help the rocket along!
mircea_popescu: (for all the interested parties : lobbesbot announces the current slate of auctions hourly in #eulora, and privately on request. see the very useful manual lobbes wrote for it.)
mod6: oh, was looking at the '336' line from trinque. herp.
mircea_popescu: i don't have a ready list of the many varieties of items therein sold, maybe lobbes keeps it as part of his eventual marketing efforts, but anyway. it's known diversity.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-05 02:10 asciilifeform: so mircea_popescu dun actually have objection that the item being auctioned is not euloric ?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-05#1858434 << none whatsoever! same mechanism was famously used to sell a notebook i wrote in, and other things. the only fixed thing is the settlement point, and for good reason of the nature of macroeconomic wisdom.
mircea_popescu: heck, half the fucking reason we even did pizarro was to get this going, if yo urecall.
mircea_popescu: and i expect as the thing starts getting some history behind it, time intervals can narrow out, removing most of the fx unpleasantness.
mod6: I'd love it, make me a helluv a lot less nervous -- as I was for the last 10 days.
mod6: And we'd bid, because I'd like to have some extra cusion in our account down there.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: was asking to see if there were a deal. apparently yes. and no we won't go back on it.
mod6: Besides, we really need to get the money moving; even if we wanted to do an auction now, we need $5000.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i wouldn't go back on a deal. but the past is the past, what's to keep you from doing more for the future.
mod6: It's already in motion. Sent him the coins yesterday.
mircea_popescu: in any case to date danielpbarron 's been on the ball facilitating conversions also.
asciilifeform: mod6 didja already assent to jurov's thing, or can we start one of these nao
asciilifeform: then this sounds 100% usable.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the only important magic number is the 10e9 ecu = 1 btc value. otherwise the whole thing's open, you can just say i dunno, "will only take BTC" as a comment in the next line, or w/e.
trinque: it's no problem; this is why I threw a friendly punch instead of quitting the service.
mircea_popescu: well i think part of the problem may be he himself didn't well understand this before right now.
mod6: any regular buyers of btc should just throw out an auction for some minimal amount. Say $500 USD, and once pizarro wins those aucutions, they'll get the hang of it.
trinque: mod6: the hinting thing doesn't work. put a blog post out and give direction, pizarro's process is to ...
mod6: yeah, i think as people see a few of these take place, it'll make a bit more sense.
mircea_popescu: symbolic, abstractly defined denominations, like the roman empire's solidus, or what have you. they don't even have to exist to be used.
trinque: more or less what's sitting in the deedbot db
mircea_popescu: traditionally settlement was offered indistinctly in either format.
mircea_popescu: trinque parties are at liberty to settle either way.
mod6: asciilifeform: well, that's just the thing. anyone who wanted to sell fiats, didn't start up an auction.
mircea_popescu: because it'd run in the obvious -- "you don't like it, put some grease in, what's keeping you".
a111: Logged on 2018-10-05 01:24 trinque: gotta say, I'm eventually going to cancel my service if this "we pulled the price out of our asses, and here it is" thing doesn't turn into a process somebody surfaces on a blog somewhere.
mircea_popescu: if at all used, this system would ~certainly~ quell any sort of even vaguely possible complaint in the vein of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-05#1858281
asciilifeform: so mircea_popescu dun actually have objection that the item being auctioned is not euloric ?
mircea_popescu: the great flexibility of this thing allows you to make your own symbols and so on, it's really well made.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform 1bn ecu = 1 btc. 168 is hours to live, here 1 week. "wFF" is a symbol i ad-hoc'd, "wired filthy fiats". explained in the next line. q0 is just a joke as to the poor quality of the fiats in question, has no bearing in this context.
mircea_popescu: to the undying shame (of the soi-dissant "banking system" foremost), that trade did not actually complete. but i daresay it did not complete because third parties idiocy, not because the auction mechanism.
asciilifeform looks for the rtfm for Qauction
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform is the example provided not edifying ?!
mircea_popescu: it's possibly not the best thing, and yes work to better it is underway, but you seem to me in the position of the fellow who is starving with cheese in hand for lack of steak.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-05 01:53 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> afaik all you get is reverse auction (at a significant later date, once he's well done with rewriting the whole thing). << This is what I recall. Reverse auction denominated in ECU
mod6: I think, we'd be fine doing the reverse (if possible) of the log I linked above. "BUYING 1000 USD for ECU".
asciilifeform: i dun see why we need the exact sums thing
mircea_popescu: all auctions must ~settle in something~. it is greatly beneficial to have unique settlement, on the basis of 100s of years of auctioning experiencve in teh commercial world. just like lloyds will trade in antique vases and modern soiled underpants, BUT ALWAYS SETTLE IT IN POUNDS, just so lobbesbot will deal in disgusting goop or unified dosidoes, but always settle in ecu.
mircea_popescu: notwithstanding this doesn't seem to actually be your position -- you do not in fact have the option to so wait, because you may not engage in this course that fucks over the record keeping and advertising obligations you have.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: plox to clarify what http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-09#1848940 was about, in this case. i was under the specific impression that auction of items other than ecu is forbidden in mircea_popescu's bot.
mircea_popescu: for SOME REASON you seem to be waiting for a (MUCH LATER) upgrade which would permit you to advertise ~i want to buy EXACTLY X fiats AND NO OTHER SUM NO MATTERE WHAT HAPPENS!!!~.
mircea_popescu: this, as far as i can tell, is perfectly useful to pizarro as things stand now, and perfecly approachable to everyone, and a permanent solution to the record and advertisement requirements people have.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-01 00:19 mod6: ah, i see, so for instance trinque could say, "selling 4000 USD for ECU", exactly like yourself with the last one
mircea_popescu: the way auction bot currently works, and has worked for 100s of auctions worth 10s of bitcoin, is that any one party with some fiat, can say "i have this much fiat and will let it go for no less than this much ecu".
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's not the meaning involved.
mircea_popescu: it ~seems to me~ this difference is not worth a postage stamp, if indeed i understand the description of pizarro's situation mod6 is making correctly, that is, "we have trouble finding lots of fiat to buy, not finding exact chunks".
mircea_popescu: the way the auction will work, is that you will be able to both sell and buy any one thing you wish, also for ecu.
mircea_popescu: the way the auction works, is that you can currently sell any one thing you wish, for ecu, which are these account bitcoins.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it was my parsing of 'i'ma kick it' that you dun want any units other than btc and ecu in there ?
mircea_popescu: i had formed the impression the main problem's finding lots, not cutting them to specified sizes.
mircea_popescu: to translate the difference between "i'm selling 8k fiats" and "i wish to buy 8k fiats" ? is the specificity of ammounts on pizarro side such a huge deal for you lot ?
asciilifeform: or there were ? but not where i could see'em ?
mod6: After for sure. I don't have the exact date, but I'd say it was in the last week of september -- I reached out to a few people directly since I wasn't getting any takers in either #pizarro or #trielam.
asciilifeform: i'm trying to grasp what happened here, why no bids on 17th, or 18th, or any other day until last night?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> afaik all you get is reverse auction (at a significant later date, once he's well done with rewriting the whole thing). << This is what I recall. Reverse auction denominated in ECU
mircea_popescu: afaik all you get is reverse auction (at a significant later date, once he's well done with rewriting the whole thing).
trinque: mod6: you did ask me in private, which I appreciate, but that's not how I'd prefer to do this, as per all the ^
mircea_popescu: you must've skipped some log then, do you mean http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-09#1848940 ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it was my understanding that this bot is being retrofitted by lobbes for the necessary units
asciilifeform: well we're buying, rather than selling
mircea_popescu: i dunno why this thing with the bot seems to satisfy me only. is it truly impossible to sell chunks of fiat for some reason ?
asciilifeform: but imho the civilized thing to do is proper forum bids.
mod6: We needed to get the ball rolling here, I went with it. I did ask you if you wanted to buy some, but you declined.
mod6: The bid came in yesterday evening
trinque: gotta let the money work neh?
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: aside from the problem where mod6 proclaimed one on 17th and nobody came forward << This is a problem
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: aside from the problem where mod6 proclaimed one on 17th and nobody came forward
BingoBoingo: Going forward we are going to have to do open air in the log bidding. Three increasingly urgent attempts during the second half of September by mod6 to get bidders are recorded in the logs http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-17#1850967 http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-23#1852917 http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-28#1855384
mircea_popescu will pass this "busy meatspace life" thing altogether.
mircea_popescu: in fairness to jurov (whom, knowing the man, i can readily believe took a fx beating), wouldn't his implicit donation deserve the implicit recognition ?
trinque: I could've weighed the decision to buy against your discount, which would've put you in a better position than your deal with jurov, and meanwhile saved you from the perception that you're not all that clued in on what the forum does.
mircea_popescu: how do i lean on him, "trinque, stick with the republican isp!" "but mp, LOOK WHAT THEY DID TO MY BABY!". what do i say at that juncture ?
asciilifeform: mod6: and no closed doors plox, we'll work out the price right here.
mod6: I actually didn't think it was any big deal, as previous months I had made these deals behind closed doors with jurov as wel.
asciilifeform: mod6: i'ma do the next one ( given as BingoBoingo got his crate ) , this oughta give enuff time for lobbesbot & some semblance of civilized life to start
mircea_popescu: you had no options other than to keep things quiet that you knew sooner or later will have to make public and also knew the people you'll make them public to will take a dim view of your keeping them secret ?
mod6: I'd love to do this a different way. I just felt like, other than alf spending money that he had saved for a possible emergency trip, we didn't have a lot of other options.
mod6: Since we were getting a bit desperate to get some fiat purchased, I offered to him to send the coins first, and he could mitigate that FX risk. We worked out the details in a PGP.
mod6: Last few months, jurov took a heavy hit on FX when he would quote us, send the wires, and then we would finally send him the coins at the end. He also was apparently butting up against some possible fiat limits.
mircea_popescu: mod6 is the idea jurov could not have done what i did, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-27#1837995 specifically, because... what is it, he's decided not to speak in channel anymore and you had tjhe option of either forcing the point or getting the dough ? or is this just terribly mismanaged altogether, or what ?
mod6: It was not pulled out of our "asses". We had a difficult time finding takers to sell us fiat this month. Late in the game, we came to a price point with jurov. This was the quoted amount.
trinque: I thought the point of doing business in a WoT was to avoid that kind of thing.
trinque: gotta say, I'm eventually going to cancel my service if this "we pulled the price out of our asses, and here it is" thing doesn't turn into a process somebody surfaces on a blog somewhere.
mod6: We're willing to purchase more fiat at some point later in the month of course.
mod6: All, an update from Pizarro: The price point that Pizarro will be using for the month of October is $6170 per BTC.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo more proeminent back then.
mod6: mircea_popescu: Maybe the Foundation could pay for the machine, since she'll be doing work on behalf of the Foundation?
mod6: hanbot: Thank you, I really like both of these. I don't think I would change a word. Nice job!
mod6: now I get mp's -10 on thebluematt
asciilifeform: mod6: the article is pretty sad
mod6: This is the first chance I've had to even read this trustnodes article
a111: Logged on 2018-10-03 23:51 mircea_popescu: hanbot lend the fellows a hand ?
asciilifeform: pantsuit 'historians' naturally paint it as 'eeeevil southern expansion', noshit
mircea_popescu: i got the perfect monture supporting your summary, coming out in a few hours.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2018/why-african-americans-can-never-excel-at-anything-relative-to-the-white-majority-they-cant-be-the-smartest-nor-the-poorest-nor-the-best-nor-the-neediest-nor-the-anything-else-est-not-ever/#comment-125079
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what i was looking for is our discussion of the old republic wrecking that was the "fugitive slaves act". you got link ?
asciilifeform: they happen when pre-dragon iirc
mircea_popescu: there's something amiss here neh ?
a111: Logged on 2013-03-01 22:30 SudsyForce: Two slave brothers, one black, one an albino, discover a treasure map which is taken from them by their foreman. They take it back but are pursued by the foreman. Originally, the foreman seeks the aid of two bounty hunters who pursue the protagonists throughout the film. At the end, both the foreman and the bounty hunters catch up with the two escaped slaves, and the foreman has a change of heart, helping to kill the bounty hunters.
mircea_popescu: da fuck was this then
mircea_popescu: hanbot in any case, teh days of http://btcbase.org/log/2014-03-21#571597 are long behind. there's no need to further the pretense that pantsuit jewry enjoys personhood. it eminently does not.
mircea_popescu: hanbot if the republic requires...
hanbot: anyway i suppose i oughta use your bimbo's contact info then, mircea_popescu
BingoBoingo: Well, that and walls to keep it from threatening the china
mircea_popescu: it's built exclusively out of building blocks familiar to the cow and recognizable by it.
hanbot: ahaha, okay. i haven't seen the inside of a cow holding pen, no, fancy that.
mircea_popescu: cow holding pen has cow-facing plating on the inside. yes ? you ever seen one ?
mircea_popescu: i don't expect the cows to sit on couches as a resul;t of this.
hanbot: mircea_popescu alright then, hoops it is
mircea_popescu: this'll not only make for much happier cows, but it'll also permit the purchase of some fine china.
mircea_popescu: i would like the semi-domestic animals domesticated properly, and the china safeguarded. consequently republic gotta make the step up from mongol horde into settled civilisation.
mircea_popescu: hanbot because the situation in the republic currently includes semi-domestic animals running all over the place, and in the process threatening the china.
mircea_popescu: the design of the cow holding pen is built around bovine physiology and psychology, not human aesthetic values. because it's made to hold cows.
hanbot: ...but if they're very much not people in the sense of it not being worth to craft the item sensibly to minimally accommodate their particular idiocies, why contact them at all, again?
mircea_popescu: let's not worry about "what if the barn animal starts talking", in the design of the cattle prods.
hanbot: well, say some journos or whoever want to chat. does talking to the foundation necessitate jumping through the #t voice model hoops?
hanbot: here's a question for the forum at large as i'm thinking about the missives on my plate for today: if tbf outreach is a goal, and talking to people a primary avenue of same, given the rocky road to voice in #t these days, should the foundation host its own castle-channel?
asciilifeform: ( and, naturally, it gotta absolutely work 100% before there can be talk of plugging it in.. )
BingoBoingo: Re: earlier fashion thread. Turns out farm country is rejecting the ole trend as well http://archive.is/RYM2v >> "are you OK with your psychology "teachers" getting "teaching" materials from this website? Because I'M NOT. My kid will NOT sit thru this [...] itspronouncedmetrosexual.com "
mircea_popescu: ie, "i'm guessing you're still doing that, on the farm ?"
mircea_popescu: there's nothing less socially acceptable than last season's fashions. hence, the ~only comment on girl-interest crap, from votes to #metoo, would be http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/la-femme-ridicule.jpg
asciilifeform: Mocky: heh. sorta why i was orig reluctant to dig in & comment, i simply dun know enuff about the game mechanics
a111: Logged on 2018-10-04 16:33 asciilifeform: imho 32b is rather short for anyffing that you want to be unique, even without enemies
mircea_popescu: to engage in any of it, at all -- you wouldn't discourse with the girls over the relative merits of pompadours or bangs, notwithstanding the lesser value items in the sack may very well want you to.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-02 18:37 BingoBoingo: Meanwhile from other mines: "I’m active in supporting LGBT causes. My boyfriend recently said that “this whole LGBT thing has gone way too far” and that he’s no longer sure what to think about same-sex marriage, even though he had thought he supported it. Worse, he said that maybe the original civil rights movement went too far, and perhaps businesses should be allowed to racially discriminate if they want to. In fairnes
a111: Logged on 2018-10-04 05:01 mircea_popescu: meanwhile in other lulz ~nobody caresd about, apparently kevin spacey got de-kulakized also ?
mircea_popescu: thinking about the whole it seems http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-04#1857921 is the perfectly sufficient response to http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-04#1857986 crapolade : as http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-02#1857409 well points out, ALL the whole "lgbt rights" "women's rights" "civil rights" etc crapolade ever was -- A FASHION. it never had more substance than this, girls-deciding-what-hats-to-wear. there's nothing substantial
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's simply not specified what the id is.
BingoBoingo: I return from a local IT business networking event. Admission and pizza were free. Everyone else was either a full stack developer who does Machine learning and e-commerce, or independent consultant of unclear purpose
asciilifeform: afaik using keccak for the 32 doesn't actually win anyffing over crc32 tho
mircea_popescu: understand, i can readily make it 256 bytes, why not, i hold the hand that holds the pen.
asciilifeform doesn't know the game board well enuff to comment meaningfully at this level, so will leave it at this
mircea_popescu: meanwhile the storage's limited at iirc 200 items per category, and you can carry a further 90 or so, and well... so there's gonna be 100mn bits of flotsam out in the world ?
asciilifeform: recall birthday theorem, tho, you'll get ~certain collisions at <1% of this iirc
asciilifeform: but dunno. if dun need to , then prolly suffices.
asciilifeform: imho 32b is rather short for anyffing that you want to be unique, even without enemies
mircea_popescu: idea is that if collision happens ~in same client~, then can have some unexpected behaviour.
asciilifeform: i don't specifically know, will depend on how it's used in the box neh
mircea_popescu: client only ever repeats ids the server produces, see. server says "here's the tree of nodes" and client may ask "what is X node"
asciilifeform: ( and it it's a mere 32bit, still seems possible for enemy to create collisions but registering 1e12 accounts and waiting for the desired 32bit id )
mircea_popescu: no cause to mention it, seeing how it's not in the protocol, it's server side
mircea_popescu: (more of the same old "omfg nobody gives a shit about our inconsequential nappy headed ho club ?!?!?!?!")
asciilifeform: or did the spec miss mentioning that it's keccak(userkey + serversecret) -> 32bits id
asciilifeform: http://trilema.com/2018/euloras-communication-protocol-restated/#comment-126814 << my puzzlement is in re the item where you're still using keccak as a crc
mircea_popescu: anyway, naked pics outliving in the public sphere the woman pictured seems morally dubious, exactly in the vein of old margo channing acting a "25 yo, age's unimportant -- [AS LONG AS SHES TWENTYSOMETHING!!!]".
a111: Logged on 2014-04-03 13:28 mircea_popescu: the point was never to agree. the point was to disagree well.
a111: Logged on 2014-04-03 13:23 chetty: well perhaps none of us will live long enough to see the next centralization
asciilifeform: dun think he was nubbins, but who the fuq knows
a111: Logged on 2014-04-03 13:30 asciilifeform: truffles: it was a minor subplot. they find these critters on jupiter, living in the gas, and decide to study them. by building a machine which transforms people into them, so they can see what their life is like. and then, for years, no one returns to be converted back. eventually one fellow comes back. and tells how much more fun it is than being human. end result: mankind vanishes, converted to lopers.
mircea_popescu: (the "ancient" referenced there being http://trilema.com/2014/on-the-superiority-of-monarchy-or-adnotations-to-why-the-worst-get-on-top/#selection-155.0-155.557 ftr)
a111: Logged on 2015-07-05 22:31 mircea_popescu: if that 1% doesn't feel the state like a glove, the state's gone. kinda like my ancient "the state may exist inasmuch as and for as long as i can't tell it's there."
mircea_popescu: even before the obvious "my slaves have 0 problem with no freedom, but just try and not make sense", nobody fucking ever had a problem with freedom ~as such~, because it's not fucking possible. because http://btcbase.org/log/2015-07-05#1188784
asciilifeform: 'hey kiddo, how come you dun wanna set yer small intestines free ?! they want to explore world too! in their fly form'
mircea_popescu: freedom was never the fucking problem.
mircea_popescu: then they come with the "solution" to the not-making-sense problem by implementing "freedom", and sure enough there's idiots down the line wanting to stuff omlet in ear and piss out nose and be "transnourishal".
mircea_popescu: nobody ever fucking thinks about this, all the "oh, authoritarian irrespirable atmosphere at home!!!" complains never go along the lines of "but daddy, i want to be free, stuff omlet in my ear and piss out the nose!" "what are you, some kind of moron ?!" ; instead they always go along the lines of "but daddy, you're not making any fucking sense!" "shut up!"
mircea_popescu: "how come i don't, then !?" "three guesses."
asciilifeform: the pre-timberniers-tardation 'let's build a web' folx, understood this
mircea_popescu: the problem with "web searching" always was this confounding, "there's no definition of page"
mircea_popescu: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=site%3Atrilema.com+%22and+in+other+dead+things%22&t=ffsb&ia=web << check out this lulz.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-01 14:49 asciilifeform: recall the thread where mircea_popescu observed 'y'know those 'hard' murder cases, where detective sits an' thinks, well guess what , in new york they no longer do that, either obvious suspect or they shelve it nao'
asciilifeform: the lolcatnet and the thinkingpeoplenet, living in same fabric, is a historic accident, rather like sov communal flats where physics prof lived with a furnace stoker . it's to be corrected.
mircea_popescu: there's much less of interest on the whole fucking internet than there, it's the bigger half of the web, none of this shit where i search for dead or freenode and that's not on the results.
mircea_popescu: jesus the online searchers are utter shit.
asciilifeform: nao if only somebody other than us still used irc...
asciilifeform: funnily also, there's still 0 spam in #asciilifeform , i think they took snapshot of whom-to-spam 1ce and never refreshed
mircea_popescu: thereby the personal incentive3 to great wot ("but mp... why should i work my ass off and stay up nights to get good ratings from good people?!?!?!") is precisely so as to turn #eulora into #trilema.
asciilifeform: ( the thing where random snippets of actual posts somewhere , rather than pure shannonized )
asciilifeform: btw, the spam folx finally did their homework, loox like, and copied the algo that was used to murder usenet,
asciilifeform: aa in the sense of 'what sw rf spectrum loox like without a tuner' lolyes
mircea_popescu: "but mp, i know who you or mocky are, i don't know these random names!" "so ?" "so the random names are spam" "congratulations of having a wot. now try without."
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if the fishwraps are to be believed, they sat this one down on the BMC bus. so really extra spice on top of the usual bmc lulz.
asciilifeform: i suspect the cap was the 'easy' bug. y'know how when educated folx bug people, they give'em 2-3 'easies', a 'medium' to make the diggers feel 'accomplished' when the find, and the 'actual' bug somewhere entirely else.
asciilifeform: somebody oughta have told'em that they oughta bug a ~diode~ instead ; it is not difficult to detect a capacitor that semiconducts inside somewhere ( it'll rectify rf ) .
asciilifeform: mod6: already submitted as qntra lulzcandidate. but whole story lulzy, the chinese folx built a vlsi-bugged filter cap and slipped it into ~errything some time around '14
asciilifeform: i'ma leave the margin to mircea_popescu .
asciilifeform: ( will have to replace internal ssd, that'll be another 25 . )
asciilifeform: will be new, they're still in print.
mircea_popescu: and is the one you ship actually used or new ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i figure the rams or what were don't need to be included ; what'd the switch end up costing, you ever figured it ?
ave1: cool! as for reference to ethernet packages etc I've found this doument useful: https://www.microchip.com/wwwAppNotes/AppNotes.aspx?appnote=en533903 (see link to the pdf).
diana_coman: I'm going through the data right now, I plan to publish it + write-up by tomorrow
diana_coman: ave1, good to know, thanks! and yes, it seems that there are few errors under those conditions really: over 1 full week I got less than 0.2% lost
a111: Logged on 2018-10-04 04:57 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform we got anything for the s.nsa report ?
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in other lulz ~nobody caresd about, apparently kevin spacey got de-kulakized also ?