gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user nubbins`: Level 1: 2, Level 2: 3 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=nubbins%60 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=nubbins%60 | Rated since: Wed Oct 16 19:58:53 2013
MGK: No problem cgcard. I understand your concern and unfortunately theres not much I can do about that besides tell you I got the coin from NightOwl which is a reputable re-seller and was already graded. Ive never been able to actually touch this coin.
cgcardona_: i've ordered cold wallet kits in the past and went off of that
cgcardona_: the one and only old man!
MGK: Thats the old man himself!!
cgcardona_: It's a tough one for me because I've not ordered a casasius from anyone other than the source (and then only aluminum ones for promo material alas) so i'm just not sure what I'd do if it wasn't legit (and I promise I'm not calling you a scammer. Just thinking out loud)
steven-__: who is that on the old man coin?
MGK: I like the old man coin too, I just got back from LV about 3 weeks ago and I had to buy a couple.
MGK: The crack on the top is from my recliner , it fell in the it and I didnt notice, I reclined it and chipped the top but the coin is still locked in the case, wasnt damaged.
cgcardona_: wow +1 to the old man coin
MGK: yes, heres a pic of the 2 coins, if you like I can take another with my name on paper next to them.http://imgur.com/NNyBwbk
cgcardona_: yea i imagine someone swimming around in Casasius coins like the scrooge mcduck of cryptos
MGK: already sold the .5
cgcardona_: 6 1000+ unspent coins still out there.
cgcardona_: high level summary—there are potentially 25101 unspent out of 65,000 ish
nubbins`: not too interested in the 2013 brass -- now if you could find me a 2011 series-2 1btc brass, on the other hand...
MGK: I have to be honest, Idont know much about them. I bought it off of NightOwl about 2 months ago
asciilifeform: 'One in four renters now spend more than half of their income on housing, up from one in five a decade ago, according to a 2013 .... '
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mircea_popescu: black women happily married to black guys occasionally give birth to perfectly fair, blue eyed caucasian babies, doesn't automatically mean they've been porking the milkman.
ThickAsThieves: "In 2009, non-Hispanic blacks, while only 13.6% of the population, accounted for 39.4% of the total prison and jail population." dafuck is a non-Hispanic black?
ThickAsThieves: actually peter isnt on the roster for Amsterdam
jurov: #bitcoin-assets.log:[Monday 07 January 2013] [18:58:28] <mircea_popescu> [03:06:29] cause the new bitcoin ragazine dood is there.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves it appears exactly twice in the log, on mar 21st, we're like two minutes apart.
ThickAsThieves: davout i didnt coin the word, i think i may have gotten it from someone else here
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves so same goes to you then, ask vehehes a) how much did karpeles pay him to promote his scam ? and b) how much of the muppets' donations to "the foundation" went to his girlfriend.
asciilifeform: it will re-group under another name
ThickAsThieves: as long as i agree with the line of questioning
ThickAsThieves: i'm willing to put anyone on the spot really
mircea_popescu: the important point being that she's sunk.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well the proverbial rats would be defectors, yes. maps quite exactly.
asciilifeform: these aren't 'defections,' any more than the proverbial rats who jump the sinking ship are 'mutineers.'
ThickAsThieves: <mircea_popescu> bounce if you do i'll pay your entrance. but no derpage, make it worth our while. /// yet you wont pay for me to accost people at the Amsterdam one? :(
mircea_popescu: who knows, perhaps then there won't be need to hoist the entire troop from the highest catarg, just a few heads.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Sure. I seems that more defections from there are likely in the coming months.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo it should be clear to all but the thickest, most disco-dan sort of people in their boat that the battle has been fought, and won, but not by them.
mircea_popescu: it was better back when wikipedia retardation was mostly content to quarantine itself on wikipedia. but by now it's spilling the fuck over.
mircea_popescu: i mean herp mcderp, what can i tell you, birocratia maxima, some derp goes to target, buys a red stapler and an "Important Person" bumper sticker and suddenly we have yet another... important person with a red stapler.
mod6: yeah, just didn't work out this year. if its in SA next year, im pretty sure i'll be there.
BingoBoingo: https://bitcoinfoundation.org/forum/index.php?/topic/703-serious-allegations-is-this-michael-thymos-marquardt-part-of-the-foundation/
mircea_popescu: well let's put it this way : if that's what one thinks their job is,
bounce: inasmuch as they're paying to have that job.
jurov: thestringpuller mircea threatened to move to argentina
mircea_popescu: (the royal mcbee for instance mostly made money selling typewriters)
thestringpuller: jurov: I am incredibly tempted to book air fare, but as mod6 isn't going an I wanted to meet up with him there I decided to wait until next year for Series 3
mircea_popescu: british textile industry is one of the antecessors of modern computers.
asciilifeform: if i recall, they were made by skilled weavers.
bounce: read somewhere the bitcoin foundation opened up their forum for all the world to read. somebody take a copy. ought to be plenty research material there.
jurov: thestringpuller: u goin?
mircea_popescu: kinda the last time knitting and it looked similar.
asciilifeform: how beautiful they were!
thestringpuller: probably one of the few if not only one that matters
thestringpuller: THE CONFERENCE
bounce: she's going to be in vienna then?
mircea_popescu: in other news, i got a prescreen of mpoe-pr's dress for teh conference
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller if one tries to exist by pretending to exist, one's stuck with lulzier and lulzier pretense.
thestringpuller: just read the conference site...like
thestringpuller: omg i'm sick of the bitcoin foundation
bounce: so it's get in free and don't critique or get in for $$$ and sing hosannas along with the prophets
mircea_popescu: well no, you can't go as press and harrangue the speakers.
bounce: hmm. is the log a "legitimate medium" according to the "bitcoin 2014 definition of legitimate media"? needs letter from editor though. who edits the log?
mircea_popescu: "Meghan Kellison-Lords is a writer and activist from Pensacola, FL. She is the editor at Bitcoin Not Bombs, a writer at Young Voices and Bitcoin Magazine, office manager at Roberts and Roberts Brokerage, and volunteer at Seans Outpost Homeless Outreach. She is fascinated by"
jurov: and "one of the first bitcoin users in Germany."
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mircea_popescu: lol stallman gonna lose another gnu stuffie ?
mircea_popescu: "hi, i'm 24 and i made a deal with the usg to pretend like i'm still a human being, who knows, maybe the puppet master needs one sometime"
BingoBoingo: 400 euros a ticket is more than most forum fraudsters take now, so... I think this goes in line with the whole don't feed scammers because it encourages them thing
bounce: $400 entrance fee, or whatever it was, just to ask scammers why they be scammin'?
mircea_popescu: and all sorts of other interesting questions, such as how much of the muppets' donations to "the foundation" went to his girlfriend.
mircea_popescu: so who's going to show up to whatever derpy conference the vessenes merry band of scammers is organising and ask him how much did karpeles pay him to promote his scam ?
mircea_popescu: but anyway, the guy is obviously trying to have someone write him a scamsite. found a decent pretext, but it's about as convincing as what kids trying to get you to do their homework come up with.
mircea_popescu: Namworld: That's not how you quit. Guy will just get in trouble for it, playing in his wife's back like that. < i agree. add a steel pole to your pool, chain her to the base. she can eat once every 100 laps.
mircea_popescu: well the purpose of rotting pig carcasses with vaginas painted on the skin isn't so very different.
asciilifeform: the purpose of impossibly-hard targets isn't necessarily to protect valuables, but can be simply to torment the enemy
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller: interesting that bitbet is so transparent it can be independently audited << yeah, but wikipedia has an article about "dac"
mircea_popescu: jborkl was it the minesota guys ?
mircea_popescu: from the cemetery of trilema, an example of one that has tried before.
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jborkl: Butterfly labs had a class action filed against them today
mike_c: well, trilema moved the login page. that's better than bitcoin-assets :)
mircea_popescu: whatever was the package before obama.
mircea_popescu: mike_c: sorry jurov, now they are running the secure version of wordpress :D << try haxxing trilema, smartypants.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: dafuq fury. << srsly. tell him that if regulation is good he needs to find another market.
mircea_popescu: it's all because of the "carbon"
mircea_popescu: they dunnit.
mircea_popescu: maybe it was the CLIMATE SCIENCE DENIERS
mircea_popescu: well... maybe it was the global warming.
asciilifeform: and now there's a convenient 'desperado' who 'we know did it'
mircea_popescu: because only on the tardstalk forum can one accidentally selfcrit himself on the jagged shards of irony for more 9000s of damage.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they're actually stepped up the discussion to include the word murder << it was time to switch cover stories, the old one was getting tired
mircea_popescu: "At the end of the year, a consistently inflating bitcoin would trigger no capital gains liability, only capital losses, reducing the tax liability of the filer."
mircea_popescu: and they were using DTT and azbocement wtf you call it and so on.
mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete: just like the medical system treats symptoms like cancer instead of the root causes, like shitty food << yey verily. compare cancer epidemiologic data in the soviet union in 1963 with same in the us in 2013. be amazed. be very amazed.
mircea_popescu: bounce like half the people live their entire lives within 50 miles of their pob or some shit ?
mircea_popescu: it almost looked like people went "oh, it paid another div, its value reduced by x but it's risk discount by n*x so BUY IT!"
mircea_popescu: jurov: you weren't there when S.DICE traded. there were massive buys *just after* dividends were paid <<< this is very true, and still one of those unresolved mysteries.
mike_c: an article with butts in the title and no pictures of butts..
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform o wow, they're actually stepped up the discussion to include the word murder ?
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mircea_popescu: if there's anyone here sober :
ThickAsThieves: it's only the 7th!
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, what's the difference between dis bute and diss pute.
ThickAsThieves: and eve3ry business wanting to pay me to do them for promo
ThickAsThieves: lol, ironically about 10 years ago I was speaking with the head of the local Chamber of Commerce and she asked me what I thought of blogs (as PR really). I told her I thought they were silly.
ThickAsThieves: i know someone at the paper who's kinda a firecracker, gonna see if she'll do an article
mircea_popescu: if that were the fucking point...
mircea_popescu: completely broken line of argumentation. you're telling your daughter to stop sucking cock on the curb, she's telling you she made this much money today.
mircea_popescu: anyway, fuck them. if they had confiscated the empire fucking state building made out of crystal rock pixie dust,
ThickAsThieves: shortly later the police issues a pr:
mircea_popescu: afaik teh sa goons be trolling the shit out of that thread.
ThickAsThieves: today my post about the questionable "Narcotic Checkpoints" was censored into oblivion
mircea_popescu: well yeah, generally speaking, backup;s are better than no backups, no argument ther.e
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kakobrekla: the only way i know of to backup that key Mats_cd03 is to plug the cable on the transporter in the middle of the energizing sequence so while the object is already completely scanned it is not yet disintegrated, the rest of the procedure is prolly clear.
mircea_popescu: i used to pay exactly one person to do it, she had a signed statement, that's the whole of it.
mircea_popescu: i srsly never posted on the forum.
mircea_popescu: what's the guy take himself for, franksinatra ?
mircea_popescu: so i guess 1771 is the new 1337
Mats_cd03: im generating the key with it
mircea_popescu: get in the wot noob.
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mircea_popescu: shows the importance of padding i guess.
mircea_popescu: used to be like 1600 / 400ish, but then the 1k bet happened and some large 200+ iirc.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves not really on the audio. some voice work done.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller he drops by now and again, like quarterly.
Namworld: Guy: Maybe if I get my wife hooked up on MY app, I won't have to quit her for losing all our money. I can also get her hooked on me giving her back the gambling money to fuel the habit! What could go wrong?
Namworld: If he controls odds and she's never losing everything... gonna look weird. "I never win big yet I never lose my balance. Been going for 2 trillion bets. What are the odds?"
punkman: or if the dude thinks that's a good idea to introduce to her
Namworld: She can just move funds elsewhere. And if not, it's just another play chips game app.
punkman: you control the odds, remember
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kakobrekla: ;;rate Mats_cd03 1 did the first public bitbet.us audit
punkman: "I want a gambling slot app that looks fancy and runs smoothly. It will accept bitcoins. The app will also have a back end that controls the odds in realtime. The reason for this app is that my wife is addicted to gambiling & I would like To keep the bitcoins."
kakobrekla: there we go
Mats_cd03: year, BitBet has accumulated 1136.1662149231001 BTC in revenue. I used Beautiful Soup (a Python library designed for screen scraping) to pull table data (BTC addresses, quantity deposited) and looked up address balances with blockr.io’s API. If you wish to reproduce these results with Python, I would recommend using the Requests library, which is superior
Mats_cd03: As of 7APR2014 16:37:00GMT, BitBet has a total balance of 2889.82820674 BTC with outstanding liabilities of 1753.6619918169 BTC. In total, 8874 addresses have deposited funds (http://pastebin.com/8L6706Y7), and there are currently 93 open bets with deposits totaling 1771.37574931 BTC (http://pastebin.com/dLaHuZnC). After operating for little more than a
Mats_cd03: kakobrekla: whoever posts it first on their blog can has it, i figure mp will write a trilema post eventually
mike_c: so extra bonus for doing the research, you learned some more python.
kakobrekla: cool, if you dont run a blog or dont have a place to publish it, perhaps some other asseteer blogger would publish you, dunno, just sayin
Mats_cd03: kakobrekla: ill work up a report in the next day
mike_c: ah. well, for future reference: import json; json.loads(data) will give you a python dict with all the info.
Mats_cd03: so i just spammed the api and went to take a poop while it ran
Mats_cd03: i couldnt find any python code to parse the jsend format and cant be arsed to do it myself
kakobrekla: the point is, the result is now scattered over a days worth of log. the thing is worthy of being published in a coherent matter.
Mats_cd03: i used an html parsing library in python to scrape bitbet then pinged blockr with the balance requests
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kakobrekla: perhaps join all this with the methodology used in some blogpost and make it useful for people?
ThickAsThieves: <thestringpuller> ThickAsThieves: you moving into the audio game? /// I've been in and out of it for a long time. Flirting with getting back in.
nubbins`: if bitcoin magazine has to charge $99 for a year subscription because their readership is so small, imagine what a year of trilema would cost
nubbins`: thestringpuller: why would anyone buy it?
thestringpuller: Trilema: The Magazine
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nubbins`: 16:16:17pLambert:business idea! collect the trilemma posts for each month and print them <<< that's actually not a business idea
thestringpuller: ThickAsThieves: you moving into the audio game?
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Namworld: Why would you be safe at all in the sky to start with? It's not like you don't connect to the same Internet. In fact, there's extra steps where to install snooping devices.
jurov: send your worst enemy when they need it
kakobrekla: anyway, Mats_cd03 , just sum all the confirmed bets on the open bets and take out 1% and thats that
mike_c: and maybe filter out the 0's?
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kakobrekla: not in the face!
Apocalyptic: that's the joke
jurov: is there one?
benkay: hey thestringpuller
jurov: gotta hack he b-a.com again and put my addy there
domsch: Johann is speaking there - didn’t know that, awesome.
bitcoinpete: the sun beckons, cheers
bitcoinpete: I'm going to this next weekend. I wonder which speaker will be the lulziest
bitcoinpete: benkay: it's how and when they're used that changes :)
Mats_cd03: watch The Newsroom
ThickAsThieves: it's hard to battle idiocy on tv, it corrupts through the nature of its questioning alone
Namworld: Hey, Bitcoin Magazine is a premium magazine for the amateur of lulz, of course it commands a premium price. It's hard work coming up with this amount of lulz.
bitcoinpete: ThickAsThieves: ya, then we'll see if inflationary btc' is worth more or less than satoshi's btc
kakobrekla: is that in the article
bitcoinpete: that bitfury is looking to ipo in london is hilarious tho. they should try mpex first
ThickAsThieves: they can try, and the people who dont like it can stay on the other prong of the fork
bitcoinpete: it's probably to be taken as seriously as the greenlist talk
thestringpuller: where the fuck is all this talk of making bitcoin inflationary coming from?
thestringpuller: what the fuck?!?!?
bitcoinpete: "George Kikvadze, board member and advisor of BitFury, said Monday that if the notion of a finite number of bitcoins was ever altered it would be fair and should not undermine the value."
bitcoinpete: prevents me from spending my days doing as the 18th century jooz, as mp once put it
Namworld: What the fuck, Bitcoin Magazine?
Namworld: Do you want to pay taxes on gains, or deduct losses... of actual losses... One gains you more, even after taxes, the other deprives you of money...
bitcoinpete: it's also why there's doge
bitcoinpete: asciilifeform: architects of land buildings take tours of their work too. weaknesses from buried risks aren't really tested upfront
ThickAsThieves: inflating bitcoin would trigger no capital gains liability, only capital losses, reducing the tax liability of the filer."
ThickAsThieves: "Better yet: if the Bitcoin community managed to change the protocol to increase the rate that miners can “unlock” new coins… Bitcoin might have a built-in incentive to both adopt the currency and report taxable earnings. Let’s say that we accepted an inflationary Bitcoin, much like we have an inflationary dollar, around 2 or 3% annualized. At the end of the year, a consistently
bitcoinpete: Namworld: california maybe? i hear their paperwork is nuts
bounce: many, many places. generally the places with large informal economies
asciilifeform: the permanent crew are pros - afaik, in all modern countries
bitcoinpete: they should be permanent crew lol
Namworld: Where the fuck does it take 200 forms and 10 years to start building? The Land of Bureaucratia?
asciilifeform: i once read that 'hammurabi's building code' is still king, in the... submarine industry
jurov: i don't think checking the building isn't gonna fall someday is easy
bitcoinpete: just like the medical system treats symptoms like cancer instead of the root causes, like shitty food
bounce: take a piece of land, try and put a building on it. some places the paperwork can easily take 200+ forms and 10+ years. so people just start to build and rent out the building without bothering with the paperwork. it's a risk, but, you know.
bounce: there are ways to fix it but since they're a symptom of a(n often deliberately) broken official economy, that needs fixing first
bitcoinpete: the bezzle economy deploys its regulators under the guide of "public health" to clean this stuff up but it really can't go away
bounce: hernando de soto wrote about it, _the mystery of capital_, just why some people have no access to the official economy and so dwell in the alternative shadow economy
bitcoinpete: and they don't need to sign a 1yr lease
bounce: just saying "haven't looked around enough" is too easy. one common reason is because the slum-dwellers don't have access to anything better.
bitcoinpete: namworld 100%. my guess is that people tolerate it because it places them close to their community, including family and social services
Namworld: Otherwise, even if the place ain't nice, just cleaning it through and keeping it so and no problems.
Namworld: I don't think "Canada Slums" and "Slums" are the same thing. By international standard, probably luxurious
nubbins`: 5 years ago you could find the same 1br for $600
nubbins`: while technically not the maritimes, a 1br apt in downtown st. john's, newfoundland will run you 700-900
bitcoinpete: how much is a 1br in the maritimes?
bitcoinpete: existing investors gained confidence, new ones stepped up to the plate and learned how to mpex
bitcoinpete: mike_c i think the sec press brought in new money
jurov: you weren't there when S.DICE traded. there were massive buys *just after* dividends were paid