BingoBoingo: No need to live to be 200 if you've never done anything either
BingoBoingo: truffles: Death is the only certain outcome of life
keonne: One good thing out of all that, I didn't realize that android wallet users PIN codes are stored on bchain servers. As a result during the outage people weren't able to get into their android wallet with PIN only password. That is totally incorrect, from now on, your PIN will never be sent to our servers, it is hashed and stored locally instead
keonne: yeah the database corrupted, it was a very bad week
keonne: not in terms of functionality or people losing btc, but in a scaring the shit out of people way
dexX7: but it was over the last weeks
keonne: API should be back, we moved over to bitcoinj, and overall things are a lot quicker now. If there is something specific please let me know
Chris_Sabian: isn't there some room in blocks for 0 fee transcation though? but it would take a long time to confirm though?
Chris_Sabian: ok then. just saw that. I guess that I was confused that blockchain didnt see it because it didn't confirm. :)
mike_c: what is the point?
Chris_Sabian: ok. so if im trying to manually push the transcation via https://blockchain.info/pushtx , were is the raw hex then??
keonne: he asked first, Mircea said no, and then he complained about it
mike_c: jurov: it shows the scripts, yeah. https://blockchain.info/tx/df74678b86bdf78656b92a1fd7da70aa35ecba12847decd684485fb0a79e728c?show_adv=true
Chris_Sabian: so I need access to my wallet at the moment to do it?
mike_c: and rescan the blockchain.
Chris_Sabian: I can use a bit of help: can anyone get the raw transcation from this tx id: df74678b86bdf78656b92a1fd7da70aa35ecba12847decd684485fb0a79e728c
keonne: trilema is seriously the best thing I have ever spent money on, online.
ozbot: S.NSA first product - The Cardano pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
Mats_cd03: theres no point to learning mandarin
keonne: Namworld: Its very useful to learn before learning other languages
Mats_cd03: mw, that is (we're on the same wavelength apparently)
benkay: hanky basis for investment thesis is that in the way rivers were important to US city site locations once upon a time internet and power will be bastions of order in mad-max future.
benkay: i'm testing a strategy for location selection over the next ten years: prefer big network pipe installations and electricity generation sites over pretty much anything. theory being that people with money invested in internet hardware will deploy capital to protect it, need lowly others to run the machines, and provide the armed convoys of food that the big cities won't be enjoying.
Namworld: Although yes Mandarin is at the top, but not really used outside of China.
keonne: and you cannot say that they are different because social networks too deal with transactions (though of a different kind), and indeed social networks will have a big impact on bitcoin
keonne: I think something along the lines of 'the french dont get it yet, they think its a thing for crooks and money launderers, but not believing in bitcoin is like not beliving in social networks a few years ago
BingoBoingo: Mats_cd03: You seem. It seems like a language where the vocabulary is statutorally restricted would be especially amenable to machine translation, but practice is different
Mats_cd03: We do not yet understand the magnitude of the subject. Yet I am convinced that not to believe, it would be like not to believe in social networks there some time. Certainly there is no transaction in social networks, but there are relational in transactional ... and social networks contribute greatly. Do not believe the contribution of bitcoin in the
BingoBoingo: I think the most terrifying prospect I could imagine for Bitcoin would be MP moving Trilema to French... So resistant to machine translation.
Mats_cd03: the magic of technology, i dont has to read french
keonne: In 2011, NASA retired its space shuttle fleet, its only means of getting to and from the station.
ozbot: Loper OS » Don’t Blame the Mice.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: To be fair the various space weapons treaties and agreements made spaceflight a much more boring prospect
asciilifeform: in other news, usa is tired of flying to orbit:
BingoBoingo: MisterE: Java and Flash lack the utility to get hit this hard
MisterE: I'd rather it be something I dont care about like Java or Flash
keonne: mircea_popescu: no i meant the dyslexic comment lol
gribble: hey keonne you broke the ircernets.
mircea_popescu: ;;echo hey keonne you broke the ircernets.
keonne: but then mjr wins
truffles: push the emergency button when reach 5th?
keonne: i already unignored him, again i rather not miss interesting chats, i just havent seen anything but connect/dissconnect
mircea_popescu: and the point of fucking is going up and down repeatedly, i thought.
mircea_popescu: you'll want the pics
keonne: they even had a logo ready
keonne: I unignored, perhaps I was a bit too hasty, and the android explination makes sense
ThickAsThieves: well if it's the normal mjr, he pops in every couple mos
keonne: so is there like a class of people here who do nothing but connect and disconnect all day and never chat? or am I missing something.
truffles: i just thought its interesting what the house looks like if its 5 floors!
keonne: now to swim through the river of footnotes
keonne: ok well i finished the waterfall of an article
mircea_popescu: there's no cunt parasite
truffles: not to mention all the parasites that could be in it
keonne: water in general screws with the lubrication
keonne: in fact, I know were were being watched, because three came out of the dunes to watch.
punkman: seawater is weird yeah, screws with the lubrication
keonne: besides sand in undesirable locations, pretty sure we were being watched by those who made the beach their home.
mircea_popescu: punkman possibly a normal average bath tub is the worst.
mircea_popescu: keonne and consider i have the benefit of slaves.
keonne: The point is valid, everyone who’s never tried it before imagines sex in the bushes is a great idea. I know better.
mircea_popescu: that aside, yes, the court is not at liberty to disconsider it anyway.
keonne: im pretty sure Heinlein made up the word
keonne: also very glad im lazy and never update my shit, take your rolling releases and stuff them.
keonne: I think there are two K's in grokking mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: bounce: hmm... wonder how those bugs ended up in openssl and gnutls. << you needn't wonder. examine the matter plainly : for no appreciable reason, the usg muppets posing as "core devs" started work to meld pki into bitcoin protocol.
mircea_popescu: yeah, the first time people do this sort of shit i call it luck.
mircea_popescu: do you know to whom ? to the guy who nixed upgrade from 10.04 on all my ubuntu systems, because, he said, "meh".
mircea_popescu: jurov wanna hear something funny ? i just paid the largest bonus today, of my entire history in bussiness
dexX7: the guys in -dev said updating openssl only is fine
jurov: the openssl shit today... to be 100% sure one'd need to rebuild everything
jurov: so what. imma gonna fucked someday one way or other
jurov: anything else on the shelf contains magnutide more close code than rpi
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: so as of now there is no direct evidence "look here rpi is fucked" just a general concern over all products on the shelfs << all PROPRIETARY, closed products.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo yes, but does it feel like the warm comforting feminine touch of the mother, or of the wife ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: RE: Negro speak -> The sleeping bag luffa reference most likely refers to the sponges, as most american sleeping bags have cheap synthetic interiors and fillings
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform orlov definitely has a point there. bnw style stratification is a definite future available.
jurov: kakobrekla yes. if someone is in my machine *and* knows what i'm doing on the ethernet port, i'm having bigger problem that some warm wallet
mircea_popescu: but anyway, if the thing actually offers dma to all comers, idun see why you'd buy one
mircea_popescu: that's not the channel :)
mircea_popescu: i can somehow send you email perfectly safely by pastebining it. do the same, alter the firmware to use gpg signed packets.
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 i imagined that's what you probably meant, but i discarded it because it made 0 sense. you don't care what the channel is like, you encrypt the message not the conduit.
mircea_popescu: in fact, exactly the same problem.
mircea_popescu: this is like saying it's impossible to use the wot
mircea_popescu: the real problem is that it makes it impossible to differentiate talented managers of resources from fools who happen to be friends with the bezzle-kings << HARDLY :)
mircea_popescu: trilema looks for two things to find bots : whether you've actually loaded the page you're commenting on (which can throw it for a loop if the page you load gets expired while you try to comment, but this is indeed rare) and whether youve loaded it very recently (like a few seconds sort of recently).
jurov: the picture looks like koenigswarte hill here near bratislava
jurov: dexX7: there is much property leftovers from cold war
kakobrekla: jurov over ethernet?
gribble: User 'keonne', with keyid 7EECABD58314C40C, fingerprint 1EECFCBA5A9A5470B2149FA37EECABD58314C40C, and bitcoin address None, registered on Tue Apr 8 05:18:18 2014, last authed on Tue Apr 8 05:18:18 2014. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=keonne . Currently authenticated from hostmask keonne!~abdul@snugglenets.com .
keonne: omg if I see mpoe-pr at the conf, I so am going to get her autograph and ask hope she emasculates me
keonne: mircea_popescue: I actually havent met Dan Held in person, and my intel is lacking in the hot or not space
bounce: asciilifeform: I forgot who mentioned to hook a 10k resistor to a mike in, turn up the gain, and feed that to the entropy pool. how suitable an entropy source is that in your opinion?
nubbins`: they're the only place i've used in the past, but honestly i don't feel too great about them these days
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: it is indeed impossible to prove, with mathematical rigour, damn near anything
kakobrekla: you might just not see the bug
asciilifeform: how do you know ... that it is indeed fucked << all crypto hardware, especially of the single-chip variety, is to be thought of as 'guilty until proven innocent'
kakobrekla: so as of now there is no direct evidence "look here rpi is fucked" just a general concern over all products on the shelfs
kakobrekla: so how do you know, for the particular case of rpi, that it is indeed fucked?
asciilifeform: and on the digits of pi
kakobrekla: and the diehard is exempt from this?
asciilifeform: or, when testing prng, any periodicity in the output
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: the statistical tests are for determining sources of 'natural' bias, not enemy action.
asciilifeform: run the result through 'diehard'
kakobrekla: how do you eval such result correctly then
asciilifeform: unless the malefactor is dumb as a brick
asciilifeform: just as the digits of pi, if run through 'diehard', would.
asciilifeform: the numbers will show... beautiful entropy
kakobrekla: i wonder what the numbers will show.
asciilifeform: artifexd: see if you can learn why the raspi rng is unsuitable for cryptography.
artifexd: I've learned that the raspberry pi has a hardware rng. My current plan is to build use that. I'll Von Neumann it if necessary. Regardless, as soon as I get one, I'll use the tools asciilifeform recommended to measure the entropy.
kakobrekla: a well i might have jumped the gun, nothing particularly interesting except for the fact of recognizing the problem.
decimation: ascii - secret electronic evidence is a perfect fit for the US confession-based legal system
asciilifeform: functional illiteracy rates will go from the current 40% to 80-90%.'
asciilifeform: will be issued by a computer program, in absentia. In keeping with current practice, both the charge and the evidence will be kept secret. The newly minted felons will be dropped from voter rolls, their passports cancelled, their bank accounts confiscated, and their employment (if any) terminated. They will receive form letters informing them of their sentence but most of them will be unable to read it because
asciilifeform: 'With small businesses and private enterprise made illegal, most people will be forced to resort to illegal activities, under the watchful eye of the NSA. But since putting even more people in jail will be prohibitively expensive, a new, streamlined process of dispensing justice will be put into place: the NSA and the Justice Department will link computer systems, and verdicts of fraud and suspended sentences
decimation: did you use orcad or some free cad to design the board? are you a fan of eagle?
decimation: unless you ghetto-stack the boards :)
decimation: well, yeah and the drilling of the holes and inserting of vias would be very difficult by hand on your own board
asciilifeform: i'd have baked the rng pcbs personally, but on account of them being analogue devices, you can't really characterize them unless you use the same board materials as the final product.
asciilifeform: the real bitch is assembly
MisterE: it's the super small micro traces that can be problemetic eh?
decimation: so just like the us is willing to pay "abused" mexicans to live in palo alto, china is willing to pay to host your factory
asciilifeform: nothing in this particular product is the least bit exotic.
MisterE: hope the delivered quality is acceptable
asciilifeform: now, i hesitate to recommend them 'for everyone' - all i've had done there, is very simple boards.
asciilifeform: everything seems to go on the very next flight, straight to where it is supposed to go.
asciilifeform: phoenix ships 'for free' (well, rolled into the price at any rate)
asciilifeform: don't believe? visit the web site of any u.s. pcb maker. they're all decorated with pictures of rockets, tanks, etc
asciilifeform: it's 'the bezzle' again
asciilifeform: for roughly the same quality.
asciilifeform: it was 35x the cost.
decimation: what made you choose "hu bei gold phoenix" for the pcb house? cheap?
decimation: thus, the encouragement for personal inspection & analysis, I presume?
asciilifeform: decimation: (as i will detail at a later time) i am expecting the supply chain to be fucked with
Mats_cd03: do you think theyll be available for purchase in three months
decimation: I suppose there is very little that an enemy could do to diddle with it
Mats_cd03: the gold is nice
asciilifeform: decimation: for the production run - certainly
decimation: ascii surely you aren't going to do all the soldering yourself? are you going to use a production house?
asciilifeform: the one other useful fact is that entropy of (bad rng) xor (better rng) is equal to that of (better rng)
artifexd: What kind of rng will the cardano use?
decimation: one cannot say that it makes the output less predictably, anway
asciilifeform: no prizes for describing what this does to the output, statistically speaking
asciilifeform: don't be the schmuck who builds rng which throws away batches of bits that fail some test
gribble: Diehard tests - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diehard_tests>; The Marsaglia Random Number CDROM including the Diehard ...: <http://stat.fsu.edu/pub/diehard/>; Robert G. Brown's General Tools Page - Duke Physics: <http://www.phy.duke.edu/~rgb/General/dieharder.php>
asciilifeform: there are many
artifexd: Is there a standard test?
artifexd: My understanding is that they slowly start generating less random numbers.
decimation: ascii, of course the bureaucrats love the default to be that everyone is a criminal; you are exempt at their discretion
asciilifeform: if you live and die by the key, it is worth your time to build your own
asciilifeform: i'd be tempted to recommend... mine. but right now i've only a handful of them, and they aren't for sale yet.
artifexd: Not right now, but the hope is eventually, yeah.
asciilifeform: breaking at least 500 of these regulations
asciilifeform: processing" and having all of the following:
decimation: you will never see rc transmitters with custom crypto because of the Wassenaar Arrangement http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wassenaar_Arrangement
decimation: nevermind, apparently in the last few years they have started to use 2.4 GHz DSSS and FHSS
Mats_cd03: i don't get it, because RC manufacturers have been doing just fine, and wifi/bt is just idiotic unless you live in the sticks and/or want more bandwidth from the unit
gribble: The operation succeeded.
decimation: is the fact that "demonstrators" were paid actually discredit something?
MisterE: "White House spokesman Jay Carney echoed that sentiment as well, saying, “There is strong evidence suggesting some of these [Eastern Ukrainian] demonstrators were paid.”"
decimation: the real problem is that it makes it impossible to differentiate talented managers of resources from fools who happen to be friends with the bezzle-kings
decimation: wrt housing: USG pumps 30 year loans; forces banks to give them to everyone; USG is then horrified to find that house-prices have been bid into the sky with 30 year money
decimation: perhaps the system will be formalized in the future, when rich socialites will pay to have a position in Google, like the British Army
decimation: why does she have to living in the middle of SV? So that Elon can get a burrito for $6?
decimation: Not to mention, there are thousands of other localities where $12 an hour easily pays for housing
decimation: the mind reels
decimation: This "U visa" amuses me. Someone foriegner commits a crime - and that suddenly qualifies the victem for a US green card??
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ThickAsThieves: it otherwise feels like it could be filmed in the style of Pushing Daises or Better Off Ted
ThickAsThieves: i do like the mood of it, though the more "adult" aspects feel a little out of place
cgcardona_: the first time it happened I moved all my coins to blockchain.
cgcardona_: yea I've been having transactions just get stuck in 'pending' for hours cause of their off blockchain stuff.
cgcardona_: at least I know i'm not the only one left hanging.
asciilifeform: i can envision folks telling tales of adventure: '... and then i took my C off its safety...'
mike_c: it is a countermeasure for rectothermal cryptoanalysis.
cgcardona_: mircea_popescu: are you referring to my cold storage comments? (just trying to make the connection with what you're saying)
jborkl: unless I beat it out of you, but that is a whole other story
jborkl: and you assuming you know what I made the address out of, and you would not irl
mircea_popescu: cgcardona_ the more formal objection would be that you're trying to construct a bridge through the process of "here are some bricks i found, i wonder which cool way i could stack them together"
jborkl: I will post up the adress tomorrow
asciilifeform: jborkl: do this, and let's see how long the contents last
jborkl: why not pull a brainwallet, put it on a pi and make your wallet out of a bible verse. They are everywhere and you only have to remember what you part you put in
asciilifeform: (yes mp some. not sure what he did with them)
asciilifeform: thermal tape makes great one-time pads
cgcardona_: *sorry for the caps*
cgcardona_: now i know why it's taking so damn long. THEY'RE SETTING UP A THERMAL CAMERA ACROSS THE STREET FROM MY HOUSE
asciilifeform: or rather, broadcom's on-chip turd
jborkl: thermal paper tends to degrade over time
asciilifeform: likewise the 'built in rng' is... raspberry's
cgcardona_: checking the links now
asciilifeform: except now anyone can read your 'cold wallet' (as it is printed, naturally) from across the street.
asciilifeform: thermal printer.
jborkl: but I would not put my wallet on a pi either?
cgcardona_: i'm sure there's a huge market for something that cool
cgcardona_: also I'm considering just taking their open source hardware and paying a team of people to churn them out and deliver them on time
cgcardona_: nothing.at.all from the piper team
cgcardona_: i ordered 500 aluminum casascius and they arrived in like 4 days and I got an email
cgcardona_: all the threads that I read say it's a legit product and that the person who got one was stoked.
cgcardona_: yea I'm still waiting on my freaking piper wallet to arrive. It's been a month since I paid for it and they haven't even sent me a confirmation email. And I've contacted them twice since. :-|
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mircea_popescu: MGK maybe give a look at the gribble maintained orderbook ?
ozbot: I Learned to Fight Like an American at the FSA Training Camp in Jordan: America's Role in the Syrian
cgcardona_: is it not legit to discuss deals here? sorry . don't want to spam the channel. still new here
MGK: Anyone interested in a cointerra 2TH/s also I am offering the best price on the forums. If you are in between NY and Denver I can deliver it face to face.
mircea_popescu: firstthng there
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mircea_popescu: ;;google thedrinkingrecord gpg
MGK: I have a few deals on there, 1 for over $10k with Goat
MGK: I can respond to a PM on the forums to prove that is my account also
mircea_popescu: yeah, get in the wot both of ye.
MGK: Yes we would just go off of trust, I just sold a .5 on the forums he sent first and I shipped out this morning insured and tracking etc. Here is the link,https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=557874.msg6112123#msg6112123