ThickAsThieves: then, take colored coins
ThickAsThieves: if/when that sidething scams, what then?
ThickAsThieves: if/when that sidething dies, what then?
ThickAsThieves: depends on the specific case, but, for example, some of these things require you to "burn" coins, or somewhat permanently assign them
cgcardona_: ThickAsThieves: can you explain what you mean by that? How will they accomplish that?
ThickAsThieves: at least for the forseeable future
ThickAsThieves: more likely, they will do nothing but liberate bitcoins from those who dont deserve them
cgcardona_: which would seemingly push the value of an individual btc highter.
cgcardona_: i'm wondering how the alt coin scene will change w/ the arrival of mastercoin and/or colored coins and/or sidechains. If I understand correctly these will layer abstractions upon bitcoin which will use a satoshi as a level of abstraction to represent anything (stock option, gold bar, keys to a car, deed to a house, etc). If that's the case then all that value should be driven back into the bitcoin blockchain right?
benkay: cgcardona_: altcoins are always worth talking about, although some more than others.
cgcardona_: i've read online that 24 hrs has happened to other people. so I'm gonna wait until later today before I contact support.
kakobrekla: asciilifeform i guess we wait until humans manage to grow functional brains on a petri dish, then the argument will be settled.
cgcardona_: it looks like cryptsy hasn't broadcast them yet. cause I created new addresses for each withdraw/coin and I'm not seeing those addresses show up on any blockchains yet
cgcardona_: and of course I've been dabbling in alt just cause I like the idea of cryptos in general
cgcardona_: what is the general take in here on altcoins? cool to discuss or not here?
asciilifeform: they taste like grass.
cgcardona_: damn cryptsy is slow- withdrew 7 different coins about 24 hrs ago and the transactions are still *pending*
asciilifeform: 'We shall escape the absurdity of growing a whole chicken in order to eat the breast or wing, by growing these parts separately under a suitable medium.'
fluffypony: I don't play games often, but damn the Civilization: Beyond Earth trailer makes me want to play again
kakobrekla: the machines surely would have figured that out
fluffypony: asciilifeform: yeah I remember something like that too, the battery thing was done to make it more accessible
kakobrekla: i dont think its optimal to keep the whole brain and whole human alive to compute some stuff
dignork: kakobrekla, they use humans to solve capcha
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: if i recall, the original script for the film called for the robot overlords to use mankind as distributed computing elements, rather than 'batteries'
kakobrekla: havent you seen the matrix?
asciilifeform: and, assuming you are storing only fuel and not oxidizer, you can safely carry it without fear of it releasing all of the energy stored therein within a second
asciilifeform: you can move fuels, unlike electric charge, without gigantic thermal losses
asciilifeform: which makes it a useful gadget, for powering clocks, etc. rather than what would amount to an unstable explosive.
dignork: asciilifeform, this datasheet is horrible, looks like they list different devices, and for 10F device there is only one max resistance - 80 at 3A
dignork: asciilifeform, so the current listed is for discharge?
asciilifeform: dignork: notice the internal resistance given for specific currents?
asciilifeform: dignork: right, these.
ThickAsThieves: how to protect myself from the laser apocalypse?
asciilifeform: if the 'mythical holy grail battery' were ever to appear, you will know about it - not from idiot press releases and grantsmanship, but - from laser pistol fire in the streets.
asciilifeform: they have gigantic internal resistance
asciilifeform: you can buy them
asciilifeform: dignork: worth investigating the properties of actual, rather than mythical, supercaps
dignork: asciilifeform, originally they where talking about new type of battery which can be charged fast, not too amazing since there are supercapacitor batteries already.
asciilifeform: likewise, go and put 600W for 30 sec. through a phone-sized piece of whatever material you like, then put it in your pocket, get back to us.
kakobrekla: <assbot> Insufficient rights, pankkake. < cause of the split :\
asciilifeform: lithium cells already have interesting problems when the safety fuse, for whatever reason, fails to blow
kakobrekla: yea well of course you cant charge the battery so fast out of thin air
dignork: asciilifeform, it's because they charge their own battery: http://phys.org/news/2014-04-storedot-second-battery.html
ThickAsThieves: they're all like We now have rules that gov should report discovered flaws, but yknow, we wont report shit if we like it that way
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benkay: thestringpuller: got plenty of sleep, tyvm.
thestringpuller: maybe you can help. eventually i was hoping to have a script that pulled an insult from the list...
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Yeah, thanks
benkay: asciilifeform, mircea_popescu: google did the same thing with python. spot/coopt an emerging thingy of whatever quality, hire its writers and most active folks, all of a sudden you have access to the best talent in newlang world. speshully the young and easily bamboozled, who get to 'work' 'closely' with the designers of their language.
Apocalyptic: weird then
Apocalyptic: kakobrekla, tell your guys they can add timeouts on queries on external websites you know
jurov: if for nothing else, there need to be more sane voices
cedivad: i actually have one, but i never really wrote about hashfast, bitcointa.lk or any other of my web-related experiences (i manage some really huge websites)...
jurov: i don't write very often on the blog. but it's good to have.
cedivad: basically by forcing them to disclose the delivery dates in the contract with TSMC you could have a smoking gun to use against them in a fraud proceeding
mircea_popescu: cedivad the reason i say blog is because you seem to have a lot to talk about. bitcointalk, hashfast, etc.
mircea_popescu: at most they run for a year or two
cedivad: nothing is scandalous anymore in the mining industry... what i would love is to see them stopped and in jail
mircea_popescu: basically the list of mining companies that don't also turn scams is vanishingly slow.
cedivad: they are using third parties to claim to be bankrupted (using it as an excuse for the delay in shipping)
mircea_popescu: ah so they shipped some units earlier in the year to lure more orders then just stopped basically ?!
cedivad: they haven't delivered shit during the last month or two; they are mining themselves probably
mircea_popescu: o wow srsly ? i thought they were actually delivering.
cedivad: nah, i simply never received them, you know, arbitration against them, they will probably take everything they can out of the company and declare bankrupcty
cedivad: btw i fixed the stupid bug that made bitcointa.lk lose posts every night starting from 3am
cedivad: well, i've nothing smart to say, i'm sorry. I've just finished to write a complaint i will send to the public inquiry unit of california, nothing interesting (hashfast sucks)
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mircea_popescu: ;;later tell cedivad to be voiced in #bitcoin-assets, first you id with gribble, then you pm assbot !up
fluffypony: "Why this matters. Bitcoin is powerful. Bitcoin is wealthy. We do not need to make these people our enemies."
moiety: i think they should host btctalk over in china for a bit
fluffypony: so she hangs around whining about how much the place sucks and she wants to go home
mircea_popescu: i wish to see it sometime. but anyway, no, just the notion of attaching penalty to speech makes me want to attach speech to the entire matter.
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Cockblocked | Cockblocked. when you are going to hookup with some chick and then someone (her friend, cousin, whatever) comes in and sees to it that it doesnt happen.
jurov: yea, and it strives to avoid evil ASICs but as presumably they can't think of one, it will start with a placeholder one
mircea_popescu: i'll have you known that the biggest endian fail is MIDDLE ENDIAN
gribble: NUXI problem - Catb.org: <http://catb.org/jargon/html/N/NUXI-problem.html>; Endianness - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endianness>; The nuxi problem: <http://www.nuxi.it/nuxijargon.php>
bounce: the nuxi problems
mircea_popescu: also, fresh from the pointless factoids department: every day this week days is gonna be the same backwards. 4/12/14 through 4/19/14.
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bounce: ``[Erik Naggum] disliked C++, though not as much as he hated Perl, but he generally thought that C++ was too difficult to understand to such a degree that only about 5 people on the planet truly understood it and hence was of little value for humanity.'' (wikipedia) -- how's that for an elitist language, eh. jealous much? *gdr*
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cgcardona_: I'm still trying to fully understand the wot
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moiety: either*
moiety: jurov: what time is it with you? ive not slept wither, 7:09 here
cgcardona_: I just shut down my client for the whole time cause I was all alone
jurov: there are helluva splits... i was here alone for half hour
mircea_popescu: TestingUnoDosTre http://blog.khersonus.com/2014/the-end-of-an-era/ that dude
mircea_popescu: the gribble-assbot relation is somewhat akin to the google-dns relation. one predates the other, and rather than it be reimplemented gratuitously, it's just used isntead.
cgcardona_: so what exactly is the assbot -> gribble relationship? I auth/verify w/ gribble but the assbot is the room's bot? Any reason for having two bots for that?
cgcardona_: This is the first time I've needed to verify my identity w/ a chatroom in that way. seems like a pretty powerful idea.
gribble: View the profile of khersonus - Bitcoin Forum: <https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=277079>; Why MP is your God. - Bitcoin Forum: <https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=271711.260>; Window on America Centers in Ukraine | Embassy of the United ...: <http://ukraine.usembassy.gov/woacenters.html>
mircea_popescu: khersonus wanted to do options just as the spot market is disintegrating.
kakobrekla: with all the account locking, i wouldnt be so surprised
bitcoinpete: and reputation to be established when all their thingies break and they remember that this was foretold
bitcoinpete: there's much teaching/unteaching to do here
bitcoinpete: i've definitely been cracking a few eggs around the bitcoin expo in toronto.
bitcoinpete: kakobrekla: also, pleasantly surprised to see myself on the aristocratic side of you/assetsvoice
bitcoinpete: as if they're sucking sweden's strength
moiety: well worth a watch, promise. i feel they are a bit similar withthe trekking and hallucinatory bits
Mats_cd03: on the subject of movies, has anyone seen sunshine?
mircea_popescu: things never stay put, do they.
Mats_cd03: mircea_popescu: word is, theyre participating in the distribution of heroin. not kids anymore
asciilifeform: http://static.businessinsider.com/image/534895af6bb3f7f34ffb5390-1200/there-was-also-a-strong-anti-tech-sentiment-throughout-the-protest.jpg
asciilifeform: http://static.businessinsider.com/image/534895afeab8ea924687205d-1200/the-protesters-main-concern-was-the-eviction-of-some-of-the-citys-public-school-teachers.jpg
asciilifeform: next comes the 'network disk', where the buggers don't need to settle for small change (ssl diddling, etc.)
mircea_popescu: and those inside the us, even less.
mircea_popescu: which is why nobody outside the us wants to use any us company fopr any purpose
mircea_popescu: the incentive to do it is actually negative. if you run a site as a us business, and they can directly steal your data this way, they will.
Mats_cd03: i hear cambodian gangs roam the streets - ive never interacted with asian gangsters so this will be fun
moiety: apprently " there is no evidence of a successful rib-removal surgery in all of the Western world. "
asciilifeform: nah, a little gizmo that used to be sold at 'science souvenir' shops in the u.s.
asciilifeform: anyone remember the toy where a set of small pins is mounted in a frame - press in hand, and an impression of hand protrudes from the other side of the box ?
mircea_popescu: mike_c let's take the violence out of it. if you had one cock...
mircea_popescu: founded by the portuguese as EXACTLY a corp town
asciilifeform: round up the locals, herd into factory.
mircea_popescu: they did to some degree exist in scotland, which WAS a colony of england
mircea_popescu: notrly. it's more of a product of the empty spaces of the colonies, and the peculiar cvasi-catholic sects they followed.
asciilifeform: afaik 'factory town' is the historic, international norm
mircea_popescu: be very amused that anyone seriously thinks anyone'd believe they fought a war over that difference.
mircea_popescu: go around through the dormitoirs where poor irish girls were required to sleep, compare to the contemporary black slaves' situation,
mircea_popescu: mike_c no argument there.
mike_c: many of them.
mike_c: I just hate BI. such trash. can't decide if they're worse than gawker, but it's a close race to the bottom of the toilet bowl.
asciilifeform: another interesting detail - in many u.s. states, it takes ages to actually evict someone.
moiety: "...standing outside their house accusing them (falsely) of advocating sexual assault,..." wtf?!
mircea_popescu: i guess it's better for the environment than the usual crap they do (and call "art")
mike_c: BI is (as usual) blowing shit out of proportion for headlines. 6 people were pissed they got evicted and made a sign. who cares.
asciilifeform: the 'starving artists', who often congregate in slums and enjoy the low cost, take to marching with protest signs.
asciilifeform: 'gentrification' is a liberast technical term for the process discussed here a while ago, where slightly better paid wage slaves concentrate in an area and bid up the cost of housing.
asciilifeform: this might call for some background story for the non-u.s. folks. here, 'teacher' is an iconic 'noble' profession, in the eyes of the liberasts
mircea_popescu: no but it's like... yo shithead. you make enough to buy me a tie a year and are here protesting ? you're fucked, better hope you enjoy living in a sewer.
mircea_popescu: and none of the named is going around calling the employers of these fuckwits with the simple message of "fire everyone or go out of business".
mircea_popescu: check out these fuckwits.
asciilifeform: (the only programming language i personally know, or so much as heard of, where the machine can recover intelligently from any error condition short of smoking)
asciilifeform: me, i'm still waiting for the 'let's crib features' folks to crib common lisp's intelligent error handling.
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mircea_popescu: inasmuch as people are involved, there's no such thing as waste.
asciilifeform: but the waste.
mircea_popescu: google's not about to hire chicks with whips for the devteam. cheaper to reimplement d.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i imagine the way a large talent stable works is invariant. gotta let people do the stupid shit they wanna do to some degree
asciilifeform: , and could not fathom how to modify its tools without making a whole new language. They never stopped to think about how horribly wasteful this is, they just went on to create yet another language called Dodo, the Titanic, Edsel, Kyoto-agreement..."'
asciilifeform: 'A "new" language that differs from the rest of the crop by one or a couple features is proof positive that both what it came from and what it has become are mutations about to die. There are tens if not hundreds of thousands of such "languages" that people have invented over the yeare, for all sorts of weird purposes where they just could not use whatever language they were already using, could not extend it
[\]: no wonder they dumped it
mircea_popescu: [\\\] apparently. they were doing some shit about "come have your name on a plaque on this statue we're building"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: conformal co. - the reimplement bitcoind folks?
mircea_popescu: i hear them brits are not kidding.
Azelphur: and I had it interfacing with GLBSE and MPEX back in the day
Azelphur: mircea_popescu: yea, I'm pretty sure I showed you the prototypes at some point
mircea_popescu: dun take this the wrong way, but i dun recall that episode. so you were going to do something like coinbr ?
mircea_popescu: dude what the fuck, i just had a coupla shots of brandy
Azelphur: mircea_popescu: nah, remember you wanted me to open a brokerage, and I did a lot of code, but didn't release it because of the whole going to jail thing.
Azelphur: mircea_popescu: sorry, designing the frontend for*
Azelphur: and they seemed fairly decent
Azelphur: so I could learn what mtgox did wrong, what they do now, that sort of thing
Azelphur: me neither
moiety: i like the new system, have to say
mircea_popescu: id with gribs then pm assbot !up
Azelphur: oh, I wasn't aware of the new channel settings
mircea_popescu: you're on the list yo, why not just up yourself
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, you're not the only one plagued. conformal guys got their own robwizz turns out.
mircea_popescu: artifexd course, you could say that to him rather than to me. he doesn't know it, i do.
moiety: with everything going on in the ukraine, why are they protesting potholes?! http://20minutegarden.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Tulips-in-Potholes.jpeg
kakobrekla: oh yeah, the scientology meeting.
artifexd: @jy-p> it's a nice little bullshit trick that is used by people who don't get their work done
artifexd: mircea_popescu: I'm starting to understand why you like these guys. Here's a quote that I find particularly compelling:
artifexd: So... gmaxwell is harassing the conformal guys about how they developed btcd. It comes across as so... I don't know... petty.
asciilifeform: in other news, sergey nepobedimy ('invincible', his real name,) creator of 'igla' and 'strela' rockets, has died.
moiety: oh btw coachella is being streamed live over 3 chennels, mashable has the schedule and links if anyone wants it
mircea_popescu: "Very difficult. That's very difficult, do you understand? It's difficult because you're selling to a particular group. Fat cats. Big shots. Guys who can afford $200k. And guys who can use a whole fucking suitcase full of cocaine. Basically, Clarence, guys I don't know. And guys you don't know. And more importantly, they don't know you."
mircea_popescu feels niggum could end up mixed in there
mircea_popescu: that's a different story. derps thought the us can work like that, too.
mircea_popescu: mike_c because the requisite for working power is limited power.
mircea_popescu: worst thing in the fucking world, derps make you a statue, misspell your name on it
asciilifeform: gotta figure out the filter on me irc widget.
asciilifeform: <robwhiz22> I see that Mircau is getting defensive - as well he should as he is hocking snake oil at the moment.
mircea_popescu: and mike_c : downin' ain't the same thing as just ignoring it.
asciilifeform: (too much obvious stupid in the world as it is)
asciilifeform: i tend to give folks the benefit of the doubt, and imagine that they are clever (if devious) than merely stupid
mike_c: occum says he is just your run of the mill beggar.
mircea_popescu: <[\\\]> kakobrekla, what if it was an idle timeout? << bad fuckin idea srsly. let people get in the wot
benkay: i hold there's no truth to be had, asciilifeform.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i was hoping he'd go into 'tilt' and cough up the truth.
mircea_popescu: <benkay> down with the aristocracy! << don't haet, emulaet
asciilifeform: there we go
robwhiz22: asciilifeform, I can tell you that for others who have purchased services like this from me they have been extremely pleased with the results. But I can't do weeks of work on spec. (without payment.)
TestingUnoDosTre: if you were a really good amazon employee, wouldn't you just quit for like 2 weeks and then come back?
robwhiz22: asciilifeform, for what it's worth I am not associated with any agency - my analysis, and follow-on proposal, is my own. Moreover some parts are high-level and you will have to repeat some of the work you've done if you so choose.
benkay: moiety if you're idented, you can /query assbot and !up in there
bounce: now for the !up self tekneeq
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asciilifeform: search the logs
robwhiz22: asciilifeform, link me in the bitcoin-assets log (http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/) where you included a pastebin that was zapped.
benkay: this is a distraction from the damning pastebin itself.
robwhiz22: You never change "Paste expiration" from the default, Never?
asciilifeform: whether our helpful friend tried to persuade me out of the goodness of his heart, or on orders from fuhrer, is immaterial.
robwhiz22: asciilifeform, moreover I always state my reasoning and am not associated with a group - the NSA M.O. is to just silently give directions on what to do.
joecool: wat you can down other people?
kakobrekla: oh yeah i see what u did there. fuck you and your bots.
robwhiz22: It's probably because \ is an escape in whatever scripting language this bot is hacked together in :) :)
benkay: i am the fuck upped.
mike_c: kakobrekla: i am +1 for extending that time, because they can always be downed if necessary.
[\]: probably one of their asshole proxies
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joecool: TestingUnoDosTre: to the ip it was signed in from?
TestingUnoDosTre: joecool, can you give me the link?
TestingUnoDosTre: "Sign-in events unavailable prior to this date. Other activity below."
TestingUnoDosTre: so I went here , https://security.google.com/settings/security/activity and there's only like 10 entries. all but one are from today
TestingUnoDosTre: their list is extremely short - where is an extensive one?
robwhiz22: Well, to be fair, I didn't expect it to be posted publicly so I did not clean it up for public disclosure. Since then I've also had to explain the mitigation on point 2.
robwhiz22: But at any rate if this is the forum where any serious business negotiation goes on, so be it.
robwhiz22: Yes, I would have expected you to see them when I came in here to follow up (as that was the only reply I received from Mr. Popescu).
asciilifeform: nubbins (?) posted these earlier.
artifexd: I use them for my day to day cell phone. Some people have issues. They have been good to me in my area. Of course, so has Comcast.