BingoBoingo: His help took the form of 5-ish pages of hand written calculations covering load/span/materials etc
BingoBoingo: My youngest brother, not the dentist, is an engineer of the mechanical flavor. Whatever gets other engineers focused on the internals of their computers, it never took with him. Roughly as uninterested to him as the internals of his car. When I started putting together bookshelves back in old country for something to do with my hands, he offered to help.
BingoBoingo: I'm not entirely unsure I don't have or in the past hed a touch of engineer bogging down my head, but not indentifying as an engineer myself... I am unsure what has to break for an engineer to get the resignation, that can build to a faith, that recovery can proceed from.
mircea_popescu: "the kidney is composed of the maxint part superior, the maxint part inferior, and the lizard hitler part central"'=
mircea_popescu: so yes, they'll sit there droning about "abstract considerations", when they're, like any 9yo, simply procrastinating, instead of going to take a piss they'll tell you the theory of the parts of the kidney while wetting themselves
BingoBoingo: Now, Microsofts great sin is that they fed at both ends by selling MSDN subscriptions the Engineers could sell to management. Many engineers got hooked on windows internals
mircea_popescu: they just say words, devoid of particular notional content. "partnership", aka "that thing where i shit on every hand you extend every which way to sunday & for years, but it's okay because mommy loves me unconditionally"
mircea_popescu: the problem with the deanged is that they lie, "they don't mean to", whatever, bla bla.
BingoBoingo: "They can read ALL of the internal parts of the LUNIX thing? Nothing will ever get done!"
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'll give it a thought, but I have low expectations. Also, the other side of the Late 1990's early 2000's Windows verus *nix narrative clicked in my head. The fight wasn't about the merits of any software at all. It was a fuck you to engineers in IT from Management.
mircea_popescu: (exactly the same situation, p to q as a to b, is what i mean)
mircea_popescu: just because we have a word to distinguish pedophiles from camp guides while to date there wasn't a word to distinguish "being an engineer"s from people working in engineering dun mean it's not exactly the same fucking thing.
mircea_popescu: and yes, the average person can scantly tell the difference, "the difference between pedophiles and pedagogues is that pedophiles actually like children"
mircea_popescu: people will give up engineering as an activity if there's enough "being an engineer" nutcases involved.
mircea_popescu: but yes, people afflicted with "being an engineer", the mental disease, often end up working ~as~ engineers. it's a lot like pedophiles working as camp guides or w/e : superficially they're some of the best, most serious & dedicated etc workers in the field ; but as a group they're also pretty much the only serious danger to the field -- people will definitely stop sending their kids to camp if there's enough pedos running c
diana_coman: I don't think it's in the engineering though; more maybe the other way around ie engineering as a result, not as a cause.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, you feel like drafting an aa clone ? who knows, maybe your destiny is to run the engineer recovery castle.
mircea_popescu: maybe the way out is rather in the vein of handling addiction, make an Engineers Anonymous, build up a list of tenants, "i understand i have a problem, that i can't fix but i can try to manage, and by the higher power as i understand it ima try" or somesuch.
mircea_popescu: i also don't subscribe to anon theories re frontal lobe damage & general degenerescence. yes hoarders show very similarily impaired cognition, but they're ~old~, and old only. "engineers" occur like schizophrenia, in the 30s.
mircea_popescu: i understand the more fashionable neoprotestant theory on the topic requires "i can do anything" as a hard prerequisite, and therefore "personal development" or "growth" is a boundless field of possibility. i'm... well, moderately optimistic on this topic, in the sense that i don't for a second credit such nonsense.
mircea_popescu: a kid who doesn't speak by four might speak by five, and if not by five then by six. but a kid that's not spoken by twenty is not likely to speak by thirty -- the early years matter a lot more than the latter years in the natural resolution of retardation.
mircea_popescu: minus, i guess, the lsd theory, as the one exception. i'm rather with the classical psychology camp : the fundamental breakage in cognitive development brought into view by the unyielding flow of events was probably definitively formed by age 12 ; developmental delay is sometimes recuperated in later years -- but in the ~early~ later years.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile -- as perhaps the strangest case of sycophants & cut-throats hypnotizing the supposed mastermind in recorded history, it turns out that i... actually agree with ~everything~ everyone else said to asciilifeform (not that it's hard, the various rays being remarkably collimated, there's harmonic agreement the likes of which cultists' dreams are made of).
mircea_popescu: i'd go as far as to say that any feed without a guid is ~therefore~ broken, and any software putting out such a thing has to be fixed.
mircea_popescu: sorta the blockheight of articles, i guess.
mircea_popescu: spyked, guids in rss are the postid, this isn't exactly arbitrary, it's a numeric gensym for the article -- guaranteed to monotonically increase over time.
spyked: well, I'll ruminate a bit on the whole thing and write a proposal for the bot spec. should provide a structured starting point at the very least.
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-02#1949277 <-- guids are currently arbitrary strings tho. mp-wp puts the link in ?p=postid style there iirc.
spyked: lly not worth supporting the current (very lax) rss spec. minimally, feed items should contain at least the stuff that's being spat currently in the chans by the bot
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-02 05:57:45 diana_coman: no mandatory fields huh, what a great... standard! spyked there is though some description inside the blog spec and possibly that's going to be the actual spec anyway (maybe iterated if more details are needed)
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-02#1949269 <-- hm, I'd keep that distinct from the bot spec (which'd spec bot inputs/outputs and behaviour), but it does bring to light the question of whether feedbot should accept non-mp-wp-style feeds. on one hand I might want to subscribe to heathen feeds on the internets. on the other, the rift is growing anyway (e.g. feedbot doesn't do https), so it's pro
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-02 05:26:32 spyked: well, nothing guarantees that rss entries come with a timestamp. afaik the only mandatory field is the guid.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-02 05:17:19 diana_coman: spyked: re bot, I said flaw because I don't think it should spit all entries it hasn't seen before, no; to my mind it should spit all entries *newer* than the *last one* it saw before, simply
mircea_popescu: there's an aspect under which it's currently agnostic, namely that articles come in an entropy-locked timeflow, whereas it expects to see them as random lists.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-02 04:24:16 spyked: fwiw I don't believe this is flaw; the alternative would be for the bot to keep a list of all the items it's ever seen, but then it would be a list of all the items it's seen since the feed was first added to its db, which is an arbitrary cutoff point. wouldn't have prevented this spam anyway, since I've originally added the feed list to feedbot in 2018? and ossasepia's current rss goes all the way to 2017
mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-02#1949237 << imo the correct approach would be to try and find "what it seen" into "what it saw", and correctly recognize abc === abcdefgjiklmn
diana_coman: no mandatory fields huh, what a great... standard! spyked there is though some description inside the blog spec and possibly that's going to be the actual spec anyway (maybe iterated if more details are needed)
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-02 05:26:32 spyked: well, nothing guarantees that rss entries come with a timestamp. afaik the only mandatory field is the guid.
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-02#1949252 <-- actually scratch that, there's *no* mandatory fields, ugh. so current feedbot code could still go nuts on some feeds.
spyked: anyway, I'll fire up the bot in a few mins and will be around for a while to check whether everything's alright.
spyked: altho ftr, most feeds currently handled by feedbot are wordpress rss, so if that gets declared the reference point, could use it as such
spyked: or anything, then okay
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-02 05:27:48 diana_coman: or does the order also change?
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-02#1949254 <-- there's no considerations re. order at the moment. a feed entry/item is uniquely identified by the "guid" field (there's a similar field for atom feeds, dun recall the name) and feedbot maintains a set of items for each feed in the db, also grabbing, when present, title, link etc.. so if remote end rss operator wants to add an item without a date
diana_coman: spyked: no hurry now and I'd wait anyway for other people to comment on this thread too, first.
spyked: okay, I'll post a spec sometime in the next coupla weeks. guess I didn't post one back in 2018/early 2019 since closest denominator I had was deedbot rss and just used that.
diana_coman: ftr I do enjoy reading otherwise your crisp descriptions there but as they build up, in the end I'll still have to summarise & basically extract a "spec" out of them.
spyked: re. spec, I think there was an earlier trilema post on rss, I tried to dig it yesterday but couldn't find it. I think http://thetarpit.org/2019/feedbot-manual is the closest thing to a spec, but it's a spec for commands, not for other behaviours. bot behaviour is otherwise documented in http://thetarpit.org/2019/feedbot-i (and ii and iii in the same series)
diana_coman: (obv, other than if I publish with messed up/changed dates)
diana_coman: or does the order also change?
diana_coman: spyked: hm; still a list ie once it finds what it had as "the last previously announced item", why would it look further?
spyked: well, nothing guarantees that rss entries come with a timestamp. afaik the only mandatory field is the guid.
spyked: diana_coman, depends on the definition of "new entries". what's "newer" mean here?
ossabot: (ossasepia) 2019-11-01 spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-10-31#1008349 <-- ftr, I also stumbled upon this: http://thetarpit.org/2019/a-guide-to-systematically-exploring-the-entrails-of-mp-wp-illustrated-using-some-weird-found-in-the-post-editor . wrapping the input field content in htmlentities did the trick for me, but otherwise I thought this is something particular to my environment
diana_coman: spyked: btw is there a spec for feedbot?
diana_coman: I'm also rather weary of manual disables and the like because 1. this never scales, it can't 2. now I need to keep a list of things for which to poke spyked to disable my feed if I as much as touch them on my own blog?
diana_coman: spyked: re bot, I said flaw because I don't think it should spit all entries it hasn't seen before, no; to my mind it should spit all entries *newer* than the *last one* it saw before, simply
ossabot: (ossasepia) 2019-11-01 diana_coman: let me see now if I can in the end identify the various problems proposed:
diana_coman: spyked: oh, I hadn't realised you ran into similar too, didn't quite connect and if you didn't say anything earlier...; so in the end my investigation into this yesterday covered more than I thought, huh.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-01 20:49:54 billymg: yeah, when originally ripping it out, my brain parsed a "if (! $richedit ) ..." as "if ( $richedit ) ..." and so removed the line
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-01#1949218 <-- oh I see. mircea_popescu, this explains the diff between behaviours then. I'm running latest mp-wp press.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-01 16:20:22 diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: hm, it would seem this has a toggle ie from settings; atm I set it to at most 1000 so it should not bother you there but it doesn't quite solve it.
spyked: nyways, this sort of thing can be handled on the operator end, e.g. I can temporarily disable feeds on demand and now we know the sort of thing that alters mp-wp rss feeds
spyked: fwiw I don't believe this is flaw; the alternative would be for the bot to keep a list of all the items it's ever seen, but then it would be a list of all the items it's seen since the feed was first added to its db, which is an arbitrary cutoff point. wouldn't have prevented this spam anyway, since I've originally added the feed list to feedbot in 2018? and ossasepia's current rss goes all the way to 2017
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-01 16:42:34 mircea_popescu: i mean, your rss page was 5 items, which feedbot knew ; then your rss page had 1k items, of which feedbot knew... the first five. so listed the rest.
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-01#1949184 <-- no, it's precisely http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-01#1949191 ; feedbot looks at the rss feed and a. updates its db to reflect what's on the remote end; and b. it queues notifications for items that weren't there on the previous visit.
BingoBoingo: And I'm going to move the cleaning recent comments and pingbacks down the work order list
BingoBoingo: Right, Clogs out the people.
mircea_popescu: anyways -- i dun think a blog should list pingbacks either in the comment rss or in the "new comments" navbar.
BingoBoingo: But Pingbacks, at last of the local sort now work on 'anyserver'
BingoBoingo: Apologies if anyone has a bunch of incoming pings. I ran http://trilema.com/2015/how-to-fix-your-local-trackbacks/ and the scope of things to ping expanded beyong the local trackbacks. Got a ctrl-c
mircea_popescu: incidentally : i'm pretty suspicious of something after-i-released it, because ~my~ mp-wp doesn't do the weird thing re chars/encodings spyked & all been comp;laining about.
billymg: anyway, will have two patches up shortly, one for the fix and one for a test of that behavior
billymg: (well, that particular line should still have been removed, but should have preserved its "true" evaluation result rather than "false")
billymg: yeah, when originally ripping it out, my brain parsed a "if (! $richedit ) ..." as "if ( $richedit ) ..." and so removed the line
diana_coman: so it would seem that jfw has actually found a bug with those html chars, except it wasn't in the original mp-wp but in billymg's trimming patches so that should get fixed now.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in imperial lulz, the ministry of continued pretense has merged tumblr into...
mircea_popescu: the fact is that a WHOLE COUNTRY, literal millions of engineers, gathered together in what was, for all practical purposes, a political party, produced... nothing, over 20 years.
mircea_popescu: sadly i'm not equal to the task ; i have no fucking idea how that wouldsound in english.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, re the greater sadness of "engineer"/fucktard mentality, i should probably translate http://trilema.com/2011/un-rasad-uscat/
BingoBoingo: As far as I can tell nothing notably better than the existing local assets
BingoBoingo: In other news, local Navy intercepted Greenpeace derps
mircea_popescu: what, free feedbot testing, what's the problem.
mircea_popescu: i mean, your rss page was 5 items, which feedbot knew ; then your rss page had 1k items, of which feedbot knew... the first five. so listed the rest.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: do you mean some very old one triggered feedbot and then it didn't check, just kept going to the end?
mircea_popescu: no, you removed the limit. went from 5 to 1k
mircea_popescu: what happened is the content of rss page changed drastically.
feedbot: http://ossasepia.com/2019/07/17/the-mirror-land-notes-on-graphics-for-eulora-iii/ << Ossa Sepia -- The Mirror Land (Notes on Graphics for Eulora, III)
feedbot: http://ossasepia.com/2019/07/20/the-young-hands-club/ << Ossa Sepia -- The Young Hands Club
feedbot: http://ossasepia.com/2019/08/03/silently-unhappened-on-theodinprojectcom/ << Ossa Sepia -- Silently Unhappened on TheOdinProject.com
feedbot: http://ossasepia.com/2019/08/06/the-widgeting-paws-of-pointerism-notes-on-graphics-in-eulora-v/ << Ossa Sepia -- The Widgeting Paws of Pointerism (Notes on Graphics in Eulora, V)
feedbot: http://ossasepia.com/2019/08/07/a-visit-at-the-recycling-of-war-artefacts-museum/ << Ossa Sepia -- A Visit at the Recycling of War Artefacts Museum
feedbot: http://ossasepia.com/2019/08/25/the-new-old-vilnius-of-2019/ << Ossa Sepia -- The New Old Vilnius of 2019
diana_coman: made it 10k even; if/when I write 10k posts, then yes.
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: hm, it would seem this has a toggle ie from settings; atm I set it to at most 1000 so it should not bother you there but it doesn't quite solve it.
mp_en_viaje: defeats the entire puporse
diana_coman: ahaha; dunno, it was the original archive.php of that theme there and it actually doesn't look anything like your archive.php from the paste; but at least yes, it was clear enough.
mp_en_viaje: this is how php ~is supposed to~ work. sometimes even does ; especially if no engineers were involved with the portion.
mp_en_viaje: a ok then :)
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: me? neah, I know very well what was in them, lolz.
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: and rather surprisingm when I actually took the time to look into the archive.php thing, it was as easy as snip-the-shit
diana_coman: I suppose I could get & import those from there too, for historical reasons, why not.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-01 15:43:21 mp_en_viaje: also, either your archives are broken ( http://ossasepia.com/2010/10/ << missing 2nd page link on that archive, which in fact has two pages of which one can't be reached, hence why it ends on 11th ?) or else some articles are missing ?
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-01#1949105 - the "missing" there is on the .wordpress thing in the very beginning so yeah not in archives on my site directly.
mp_en_viaje: i think it's a theme thing
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: how do I convert to title-date? is there a switch somewhere?
mp_en_viaje: oh look at that, the trilema archive for the current years, ~titles only~ and excluding sidebars etc > 5k words.
mp_en_viaje: an' in any case, any chance i can convert you to the title-date format for archives, like http://trilema.com/2019/ say, so i'm not stuck scrolling through miles of body if reviewing just titles ?
mp_en_viaje: also, either your archives are broken ( http://ossasepia.com/2010/10/ << missing 2nd page link on that archive, which in fact has two pages of which one can't be reached, hence why it ends on 11th ?) or else some articles are missing ?
mp_en_viaje: it's not fucking stale, i just reloaded it ; seems there's some other switch above that one with no proper error outpu tthat then just falls through here. both these issues prolly need a fix
mp_en_viaje: Looks like you tried to comment off a stale page. Reload the article, count to three and try again."
mp_en_viaje: hey diana_coman : i'm trying to leave a "The keks of 2019 salute you.\n\nCum mai e pe la doctorat ?" comment on http://ossasepia.com/2009/09/27/din-transeele-doctoratului-avanpremiera/ but no matter what i do -- "
mod6: trinque: I was able to get a !!balance, but !!withdraw did not issue me a challenge. Here's the info, thanks in advance: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=g2BN
BingoBoingo: Outside the parks, there's the occasional patch of fescue or some other real grass that makes for quite the stark contrast.
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: ahahaha; I'm generally fine with the questions I ask, lol.
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: I always imagine as a consequence the story of Death-With-A-Lawnmower at that image.
mp_en_viaje: pretty sure i have somewhere on trilema a pic of the contrasting grasscutting worlds, men with scythes on one side of the road, with the gasoline 2stroke luls on the other isde
BingoBoingo: Mind that aerating or power raking is an iffy proposition. Hard to tell when the soil's eroded and taken one of the plastic pipes into cutting/stabbing depth.
BingoBoingo: I suspect it is the local labor groups that force the string trimmer worst of all worlds solution
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: Some of the older, bigger plazas have structures suggesting they were once managed in that way.
diana_coman: dunno, here in parks they actually have a guy that specifically *takes care of the grass* ie re-seeds it if needed, aerates the soil, etc.
BingoBoingo: Never mind the fuckers could indigenously produces reel mowers. They have the tech for that, though prolly better to ave Brasil do it for quality control reasons.
BingoBoingo: It really is. Except for the religious string trimming that leave the grass uneven with brown tips, the local parks aren't far removed from fallow. Though some larger expanses get the tractor towed mower.
ossabot: Logged on 2018-08-30 15:11:10 diana_coman: except the Morandi bridge and possibly more of Italy from what I hear
mp_en_viaje: though probably http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2018-01-31#1778722 nonsense will be secreted to "replace", socialism always has at the ready "the power of scientific progress". they'll "discover" the great value aesthetic of fallow lots.
mp_en_viaje: it won't last though, their arms will fall off from the vibe, and who's gonna replace ?
ericbot: Logged on 2019-11-01 10:56:41 mp_en_viaje: there is no better alternative to however many men in the scattered line, going at it. they can cut grass at the speed of a stout walk, which nothing else can do.
BingoBoingo: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-11-01#1949058 << Here the parks are usually done with the worst of the old/new combination. Gangs of people running string trimmers. Not just in the sense of "we ripped up the sod and had to let the Bermuda get tall before we dared put feet on it. It's how they do the routine mowing!
ericbot: Logged on 2019-11-01 08:04:57 mp_en_viaje: i suppose we could say women make horses while men make donkeys. people have enough fucking sense to take horses to war and donkeys to church, but when it comes to the other equine they psychotically reverse for no reason.
BingoBoingo: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-11-01#1949007<< Right. The tiny mommies gone beast of burden for the smaller, potential, people that fall out of em... suggest a greater capacity to adapt to task in spite of theit physiological disadvantage when it comes to packing on more muscle. Of course left on their own, eventually the tiny mommies break and go mula on a long enough timeline.
mp_en_viaje: there'll never be a better solution ; because there can't be. because there's no solution to this problem, i can write insane nonsense.
mp_en_viaje: and this is the irresolvable problem : by the very definition of things, i can write anything.
diana_coman: there's always this code-text tension that annoys me because I still read it as broken-sign: code should be text but then each time I try to get it along text, it doesn't play well, ugh.
mp_en_viaje: ~~ || [[ there's so many syntactically forbidden doublingd anyway.
diana_coman: (heh, reading back in jfw quotes re footnotes, yes: he avoided (()) because of lisp-code worries so ended up on the <fn> mess).
mp_en_viaje: right. doesn't work for the "house on the ground" style 3sq ft spaces. but otherwise -- unbeated, ~unbeatable~.
mp_en_viaje: there is no better alternative to however many men in the scattered line, going at it. they can cut grass at the speed of a stout walk, which nothing else can do.
mp_en_viaje: yet imo, scything is ~still~, to this day, the superior grass cutting tech.
mp_en_viaje: it has that shape, made to fuck grass. it'll fuck simpletons just as well. hence the falx, the traditional weapon of muh ppl, the one thing the romans feared.
mp_en_viaje: this said, a scythe is positively deadly for children
mp_en_viaje: not that the sorta people don't try.
diana_coman: I can see the angle.
diana_coman: heh, that's precisely the image that came to mind: them fighting and breaking the tool while the grass stood the same way.
mp_en_viaje: a man with a scythe would have done that plot in a few hours ; these muppets broke the tool and their hands and their hopes for a better future, while doing less damage to the field than a wild hog.
diana_coman: but honestly, this automated system that is same for *everyone* is something I just can't see; ie each can automate their own system, sure; but beyond that it gets iffy.
mp_en_viaje: i pulled out chairs on top balcony overlooking it and we had drinks watching the morons fight late summer banat grass with a wheedwhacker. it was better than tv.
mp_en_viaje: there's a vacant lot next to my place, here. and the middle class "investor" owners of it came late summer to cut down the grass (city ordnances threatening fines no doubt impelling them), with a brand-new... wheedwhacker, they paid a hundy or two for, in tow.
mp_en_viaje: the problem with automated systems is this : the moment you try to make automated systems for interacting with people, you're stuck with an unresolvable problem. i happen to prefer the scythe to the "modern" lawnmower.
diana_coman: that is possible but an additional thing there anyway; well, in truth, ~all php hurts from my pov.
mp_en_viaje: trilema uses (( and )). this is correct, too, should be 2 chars not 4, and should not use the fucking </> format either.
mp_en_viaje: i didn't look into it ; but going by the novel symbol <fn>, i expect he did a stupid thing, equivalent to walking on a rake, by declaring the footnote separators to be tag-like, <fn> and </fn>
diana_coman: anyways, when he wakes up I'll see what he has there exactly and will figure it out.
diana_coman: ah, in his notes there is that *afterwards*, yes
diana_coman: the selected part? no.
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, this seems to be re the footnotes ?
diana_coman: but I hadn't yet had the time to actually look at it.
diana_coman: there seemed to be a bit more to it from jfw's notes http://fixpoint.welshcomputing.com/2019/misadventures-in-mp-wp-setup-the-sad-work-in-progress-post/?b=omfg&e=wysiwyg%20editor#select
mp_en_viaje: it could be prevented server-side at the cost of increasing code complexity, which... it's fucking php, wtf.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-01 05:13:53 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-31#1948993 << this is not a bug ; don't put mark-up in there.
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-01#1949009 - hm; now I'll have to see this in detail then.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-31 22:19:53 lobbes: so turns out diana_coman's whaack is already working on a solution to the mentioned bug above
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-31#1948998 - and moreover, jfw already looked deeper at it, so they'll coordinate and it will be fixed.
mp_en_viaje: traditionally the problem was resolved by getting a fool/chaplain (or both) to do the aesthetic rating for the lord running a public service of import. get yourself some pages i guess.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-01 01:23:32 trinque: mod6: I have made provisions to work around the loss of my pizarro node, yes.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-01#1949003 << you've made quite the conundrum for yourself. as a service operator, aesthetic rates are a serious problem, because look how you've forced upon yourself this spurious dilemma of "do my negrates not mean much, or do my negrates fuck up my business"
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-31 21:35:20 lobbes: and in mp-wp bot updates: I've got the thing pretty much complete at this time. Trackbacks-from-IRC still aren't sending 100% of the time, so I need to fix this first. After that I will be doing final code cleanup, testing, and then vpatch. Still truckin' along
mp_en_viaje: http://trilema.com/2019/the-dazzling-array-of-angles-a-celebration/?b=that%20poet&e=#select works exactly as intended ; we're here making tools to work ~with~ the user, not against the user. which is why i say it's not a bug, merely permitting the user to be stupid if he so chooses is no bug.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-31 21:35:02 lobbes: in other weird, I found an odd (albeit edge case) bug in the new blog selection mechanism. If you do a select that begins with "http" (e.g. "?b=http&e=#select") it will mangle the selected link in the post itself when rendered
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-31#1948993 << this is not a bug ; don't put mark-up in there.
mp_en_viaje: and speaking of trilematic prophecy, check the shit out that 2010 article! say http://trilema.com/2010/categorii-sociale/?b=Prima%20solutie&e=evidentei#select paragraph fits the "problem" exactly like a fucking glove, holy hell what.
mp_en_viaje: i suppose we could say women make horses while men make donkeys. people have enough fucking sense to take horses to war and donkeys to church, but when it comes to the other equine they psychotically reverse for no reason.
mp_en_viaje: i meant stronger as in "a stronger play", they make better horses, how the hell should we introduce this concept.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-31 18:11:44 BingoBoingo: Even pichis carrying everything they own everywhere don't come close to the routinely heft payloads the tiny mommies tote around.
trinque: mod6: I have made provisions to work around the loss of my pizarro node, yes.
ossabot: (ossasepia) 2019-10-31 whaack: lobbes: i am working on a solution to this http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-31#1948993 . you don't want to put any string for the b query param that is going to match a string inside of an anchor tag. this problem occurs frequently because often the same text in a link you want to select is inside of the anchor tag: i.e. for the text 'mp writes at <a href="http://trilema.com">trilema</a>' if you try to select tri
lobbes: so turns out diana_coman's whaack is already working on a solution to the mentioned bug above
lobbes: or in other words, I have proven my own earlier insanity re: 2020 estimated delivery
lobbes: and in mp-wp bot updates: I've got the thing pretty much complete at this time. Trackbacks-from-IRC still aren't sending 100% of the time, so I need to fix this first. After that I will be doing final code cleanup, testing, and then vpatch. Still truckin' along
lobbes: Since it is an edge case (and I have other pressing items) I haven't dug any deeper into it.
lobbes: in other weird, I found an odd (albeit edge case) bug in the new blog selection mechanism. If you do a select that begins with "http" (e.g. "?b=http&e=#select") it will mangle the selected link in the post itself when rendered
mp_en_viaje: all the better.
mp_en_viaje: i admit that he doesn't sound altogether sane, an' if you wish to take it as a poor reflection on my judgement that i permit insanity to stand in the light i'll have to bear it ; the alternative strikes me as outright perversity and i dun wanna.
mp_en_viaje: i had no intention to negrate him at the onset ; i still have no intention to, notwithstanding he's spewing all sort an' manner of insanity -- this not because it's laughably ineffectual an' self-defeating, but because i don't believe in damnation by quality.
mp_en_viaje: but seriously : asciilifeform has over ~all the other morons of his ilk (though they prefer to call themselves "engineers" or w/e) the significant superiority that he wants out of his idiocy at least to the degree of talking about it, contrasted to the more customary "keeping to themselves".
diana_coman: there's all sorts of simple and not all of it boring; that there though would be the boring-simple, more like the simple remains of a cut-out than the simple path to the core of an intricacy.
mp_en_viaje: "Listen, Meg. God made the angels to show him splendour. As he made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But Man he made to serve him wittily, in the tangle of his mind. If he suffers us to come to such a case that there is no escaping, then we may stand to our tackle as best we can. And yes, Meg, then we can clamour like champions, if we have the spittle for it.But it's God's part, not our own, to bring ourselves to such a pass.
mp_en_viaje: "Tell me the words. An oath is made of words. It may be possible to take it."
mp_en_viaje: "Do the words matter? We know what it means."
mp_en_viaje: "But what is the wording?"
mp_en_viaje: "On what compulsion is the oath?"
mp_en_viaje: "Father, there's a new act going through parliament. And by this act, they're going to administer an oath about the marriage."
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, so paul scofield (as a most excellent sir thomas more) talks to his daugther :
BingoBoingo: Even pichis carrying everything they own everywhere don't come close to the routinely heft payloads the tiny mommies tote around.
BingoBoingo: Going from the muted human sexual dimorphism in Angloland to Urug land where the dimorphism is more pronounced... The greater strength of women is clear.
mp_en_viaje: anyway, to put at least one rng'd insanity to rest explicitly : i work women rather than men not because women are weaker than men, but because women are stronger than men. if this weren't the case i'd simply be gay, no question about it.
mp_en_viaje: fun with pairs of girls. it pays! think, i can drive perpetually, there's always someone resting!
BingoBoingo: Nice. The meat networking here is ongoing, but far more productive than when I got off the plain with the wrong language loaded.
mp_en_viaje: erryone here very fucking exciting to hear from me for some reason, shall be doing a buncha rounds of coffees and adventuretellings in the coming days.
BingoBoingo: Ah. The layering, it works!
BingoBoingo: Aren't you a little young to be ending the voyages plural?
BingoBoingo: Not particularly. Did IRL'ing. The damned's counsel tried to call my counsel when he was out of the office.
diana_coman: the silence!
mp_en_viaje: my pleasure then :p
diana_coman: not at all, I can certainly do with more clarity on the whole thing (hence drafting in the first place)
diana_coman stops own draft and goes to read the new article.
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/the-dazzling-array-of-angles-a-celebration/ << Trilema -- The dazzling array of angles -- a celebration!
lobbes: ^ indeed, looking through them I realize how small my photo post pics are in comparison. Will need to remedy this on next one
BingoBoingo: On further reading it turns out that plant apparently produces explosives for the slowly growing mining sector
BingoBoingo: And folks wonder why the people working the cash trucks here went from revolvers and shotguns when I arrived to having a fellow this week with a .30 caliber, AR-10 type rifle.
BingoBoingo: I mean here they'll put a tiny girl and a derpy, funny guy walking a beat. Then they'll have the guy built for a fight doing his best to hunt and pick type reports, straining all the while.
BingoBoingo: Kinda like how here the local police seccional is where old men hang out while younger men in uniforms take reports to enter into the official record as a sorta notary.
BingoBoingo: Right, I am uncertain the extent to which things here do as claimed. "Planta de explosives" could be the exact equivalent of a western farm kid's back shed except with uniforms and such.
mp_en_viaje: in there with filament lightbulbs and such, africa-level techs.
BingoBoingo: There is a faint, cottage scale, remnant of a domestic arms industry.
BingoBoingo: They've got plenty of cellulose, now beating beef as an export in real value terms. Difficult to be certain the the extent a "planta de explosivos" is actually a factory.
feedbot: http://thewhet.net/2019/10/central-european-retrospective-austria/ << The Whet -- Central European Retrospective: Austria
mp_en_viaje: "Eleanor Winsor Leach claimed, in her Lacanian analysis Gendering Clodius" bwahahaha HORY SHIT these retards.
mp_en_viaje: alright then.
asciilifeform: the final output i'ma put on own www, as mp_en_viaje explicitly req'd.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-28 16:20:50 asciilifeform: moar alive nao than ever. as for mp_en_viaje , plox to post the signed addr. piz liquidators, plox to take proceedings to #p. folx who intend to continue to crib off asciilifeform's work, which continues, or want functioning hosting : to #a. (which i'ma take is no longer official mp castle, i'ma take off the sign shortly.) next gen of FG will still be produced, on asciilifeform's dime ( and i'ma respect mp_en_viaje's wishes if he wan
asciilifeform: i did ask earlier for BingoBoingo to put the #p proceedings in #p . imho is where belongs.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, so the inventory of pizarro in #pizarro, asciilifeform 's self-penned philippicae, in #asciilifeform and so on
mp_en_viaje: i dunno why all this herpy-derp anyways, wasn't s.nsa interest in pizarro a btc or thereabouts ? what's all the hw wank ?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i'm trying to establish that all the FG that went to piz, minus 2, are in fact at piz. is all.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: will put. gotta sort out who the FG must go to tho, before can sign on these.
mp_en_viaje: wouldja put all the rest of this in #asciilifeform, where it properly belongs ?