bounce: value-add to the valuation, win-win maximisation, hey hey hey
mircea_popescu: they were investors in it anyway iirc.
fluffypony: "hey dawg, I heard you like data, so we bought some data so we could put your data inside the data"
bounce: keeps the competition from looting your "IP", and maybe allows you to snoop on the competition.
joecool: i suppose it's easier than paying for the development of a new internal tool
fluffypony: so twitter bought a data miner of their own data?
nubbins`: so twitter bought their own data
mircea_popescu: nubbins` they were a data miner, on the full feeds of shit like twitter and instagram
mircea_popescu: "This user is currently NOT AUTHENTICATED. If you are currently talking to someone who claims to be this person, you may be talking to an impostor and scammer."
mircea_popescu: id with gribble then msg assbot !up
joecool: Luke-Jr: you need to msg the bot to talk
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: There's been hostility between the two that leds to the cgminer bfgminer fork
mircea_popescu: "The Whippet (also English Whippet or Snap dog) is a breed of medium-sized dog"
joecool: i got to know him awhile back from his kernel patchset, his main coding hobby before bitcoin was rewriting the linux cpu sched
fluffypony: isn't he the guy Luke-Jr is constantly fighting with?
mircea_popescu: who the fuck is ckolivas
mircea_popescu: afaik he did in fact pay a hefty sum back i nthe day (btc was like 5 bux then or something). all those posts are beleeted now, but they were riotous
Apocalyptic: haha poor kako, first Martin, then Marc
bounce: ``Because this is still the prime (and only meaningful) communication forum for bitcoin and those of us who believe in bitcoin try to keep it as useful as possible.'' -- ckolivas https://bitcointa.lk/threads/maged-permabanned-mpoe-pr-because-she-swore-shock.292615/page-2#post-5745988
fluffypony: kakobrekla: how could you do that! remove a WOT rating! the horror.
Duffer1: who's quoted there fluffypony?
fluffypony: "The fact that people like MPOE-PR, Deprived, and pankkake were paid to say I was a scammer and lie about me didn't help either."
mircea_popescu: "we don't ban scams and scammers, but this isn't because they pay us, it's simply because we believe in free speech ; we do however ban people exercising free speech, because it's bad for business."
mircea_popescu: lol someone caught on the splendid "free speech" dilemma maged built for teh tardstalk management.
TestingUnoDosTre: Oooh KV is the way to be
ThickAsThieves: Anathem
ThickAsThieves: so far Anathema seems very Vonnegut
Duffer1: er sorry Anathem
TestingUnoDosTre: Anathema
Duffer1: anathema?
TestingUnoDosTre: In theory of course
TestingUnoDosTre: But I drove out there to ski, so I could take home extra
TestingUnoDosTre: They put a quarter ounce limit on purchasers from out of state, but you can walk right in the next day
Apocalyptic: <pankkake> because romanians are busy stealing it and undercutting the market // that's what gypsies do in slovakia
mircea_popescu: what, romanians sell it on the cme ?
pankkake: because romanians are busy stealing it and undercutting the market
mircea_popescu: it's rarer than gold these days!
mircea_popescu: how the fuck can copper drop ? i mean gold, i get it, political interest, fake bla bla bla, whatever. ok. but copper ?!
Naphex: there is no vat
mircea_popescu: and what do you do bout the vat ?
Naphex: mircea_popescu: ID with quick confirmation for 15k eur+, some other paperwork for higher limit
Naphex: bb in a few, gotta drive home. closing the office
mircea_popescu: bout 5% off. some arb opportunity i guess. Naphex what's the confirmation process like ?
bounce: so what do you do there?
Naphex: bounce: yeah its in the job benefits ;]
mircea_popescu: pankkake romania changed its rol (romanian leu) at 10k for the new romanian leu so thus... ron
ThickAsThieves: i just lost my copy of Anathema, i was just getting started :(
Naphex: mircea_popescu: romanian bitcoin->ron exchange where i slave during the day ;]
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steven-__: ;;google the prisoner
steven-__: the prisoner was filming next to 2001 a space oddessy when they weren't on location at portmeirion
mircea_popescu: you ain't in the list yo
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask Naphex!~naphex@btcxchange.ro. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Naphex: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Naphex | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Naphex | Rated since: never
TestingUnoDosTre: I just listened to the book on audio and its probably one of my favorite science fiction
Naphex: there we go.
mircea_popescu: Naphex didn't recall if you were on the list or not
TestingUnoDosTre: Just got 2001 a space oddessy the other night. Gonna smoke up and make a holiday of it
pankkake: joecool: "Invites are disabled for the moment. May never come back"
steven-__: most people forget and get disabled or can't keep up a good ratio because they only download stuff that's 12 hours old and seed it for 24-48 hours on (good trackers)
gribble: #20302 Sat Apr 12 11:27:48 2014 pankkake SELL 999.0 Private torrent trackers invites @ 0 FREE (Theses are free, only requirement is WoT presence. Keep your bitcoins to donate to the actual operators.)
pankkake: by the way:
steven-__: what has pretty good forums but in general i'm over the genre almost made some DIY speaker last year
kakobrekla: and i was 'sassing' some mod, they took my avatar rights as a reward.
pankkake: unless there is a secret porn subforum, not interested
pankkake: i guess it's easy to cheat on the interview
nubbins`: indeed, not all water-based inks are created equal, which is why we use the good ones ;D
steven-__: yea i had an account around the time oink ended but ended up using waffles and tt
nubbins`: you can pour 'em straight into the ocean with impunity
mircea_popescu: but think of the environment nubbins` ! wouldn't you rather sit here and chat with us ?
nubbins`: i ended up removing the Hobo typeface from that one i shared ;(
steven-__: advantages to limiting who can be involved to people who care enough to learn the basics
steven-__: really like this new model you have imposed mircea_popescu having to be voiced to talk. it makes me think back to when oink died and two sites popped up to trade music waffles and what it was much harder to get into what having to pass a test about encoding quality lossly vs lossless http://www.whatinterviewprep.com/ but over the years you can really see the
nubbins`: y'know, the sort of nick that a non-scammer would have
ThickAsThieves: nubbins thats cuz you been complaining since the womb
ThickAsThieves: never heard of bash til the !b arrived
mircea_popescu: there's an add topic feature
nubbins`: look to the topic for clues
ThickAsThieves: how do i bash the past?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves exactly. easiest full time job their is. which is why and how women that age end up with it, in all times and all places.
ThickAsThieves: it's also the easiest job
mircea_popescu: gives them something to write on twitter about, gives them something to talk to me about... what's their alternative ?
pankkake: because they want to be offended at something
mircea_popescu: it's all they have left : what's written
mircea_popescu: these women.
mircea_popescu: that's the world we live in.
mircea_popescu: quoted for the black shoies, white socks.
TestingUnoDosTre: If you consider coat avoidance, I'm quite sure it would cost more to keep a,non smoker living in their latter years
mircea_popescu: <nubbins`> just 'cause i'm a liberal doesn't mean i suffer fools ;D << wait wait. what sort of scamliberal are you ?! THAT IS THE DEFINITION!
nubbins`: smoking: the sieve of modern man
mircea_popescu: smoking is pretty much the only selective behaviour left.
mircea_popescu: so you SHOULD die in the first place.
mircea_popescu: TestingUnoDosTre you don't understand the environment. buncha clueless broads sitting around encouraging each other. sorta like what we do here, except without the smarts.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu flat on the back, natch
TestingUnoDosTre: Can't believe people think smoking adds to healthcare costs. The people die earlier and faster
thestringpuller: why is it skngle middle aged women are far less annoying than 20's women...like they are still teens or something
mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/455914648710443009 << from the lulz dept, me discussing matters with a bunch of middleaged women
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller who ? reddit ?
mircea_popescu: i suppose his feeling for ghiorghios, the unshaved truck driver will be baffling for him next.
mircea_popescu: o hey. i suppose it keeps in character. first business was baffling to the kid, now legal matters take a turn...
thestringpuller: i havent checked the logs just woke up and saw it on reddit...
thestringpuller: have we discussed the latter from scammy danny yet?
pankkake: right, perhaps in a few years then
mircea_popescu: chips have a lifetime. if that's not too long and later chips are worse quality eventually the diff will start dropping.
mircea_popescu: pankkake: http://bitbet.us/bet/609/bitcoin-difficulty-to-fall/ I really wonder why there are Yesses << well when it was made it didn't look as clear as it does now. and if it had another month to go, it wouldn't look clear now, either.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: "Perhaps they could ask the OpenBSD Foundation, which just hit its 2014 goal" << cheeky indeed.
mircea_popescu: their price signal is worth about as much as reddit opinion
gribble: Bitstamp | This order would exceed the size of the order book. You would buy 16452.849 bitcoins, for a total of 14624837.6264 USD and take the price to 99999.9900. | Data vintage: 0.0850 seconds
fluffypony: so the solution could be to write some new ransomware?
fluffypony: didn't someone mention ransomware the other day, and how that may have contributed to the last run as people who would otherwise have been disinclined to purchase went and purchase?
mircea_popescu: wasn't the fucking spec supposed to be 4gh/w ?
ThickAsThieves: what do you think will spark the next true bull phase?
mircea_popescu: fluffypony well what the fuck am i going to end up owing him, btc goes to 5 eur ?
mircea_popescu: basically tardstalk has managed to get itself out of the way of bitcoin conversation, tards foundation idem...
davout: for those who have some X.EUR the positions rollover is done
mircea_popescu: it's like a mediocre marriage, nobody says what they mean and nobody does what they say.
ThickAsThieves: my guess would be that AM feels theyve given enough to shareholders and will now focus on ways to reroute profit
ThickAsThieves: i havent been following, i think the whole Rockminer deal is too fishy to take any of them seriously anymore
pankkake: rockxie and canaryinthemine (approximate spelling)
pankkake: I think my last issue with the fisc will finally get prescribed. yay
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves btw, did asicminer deliver the gen3 or still working on it ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
pankkake: ;;later tell benkay http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/04/14_no-more-statute-of-limitations-for-the-irs.html congratulations, you're worse than France!
mircea_popescu: so i'd go this shrug like "what can i do mom ? teh boyfatherland needs me"
mircea_popescu: when i was a kid the measure of your popularity was that all the kids on the block gathered under your windows screaming "Mr X, may X come out to plaaa-aaa-aaayyyyy ???"
mircea_popescu: AND SO ARE SOME OTHERS OF YOU BIGMOUTHS
ThickAsThieves: this plane toy up the poon is hilarious
davout: the way i make my living is not for you to judge
mircea_popescu: i do but i don't uyse them to do THIS stuff
mircea_popescu: they actually think this way.
mircea_popescu: so cute, the jews. "o, we're 25km from ww2, it's safe here"
ThickAsThieves: theyre probly like "Well, we're premining with these things for 60 days, so we should probly change that warranty!"
pankkake: do they sell to EU? that would be probably illegal
ThickAsThieves: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/232xry/cointerra_loses_faith_in_their_products/
mircea_popescu: ahaha "make a transaction and get $5" dude they're really pushing huh.
mircea_popescu: dignork so tell one of teh techs to reg here, got a shot at way more biz than the ofrum can ever provide.
ThickAsThieves: i guess their real office is starbucks
dignork: mircea_popescu, there is a long thread on talk: https://bitcointa.lk/threads/ann-spondoolies-tech-launches-a-new-line-of-asic-miners-shipping-in-7-days.284243/
mircea_popescu: shit i remember who owns that and was giving it away rent free to noobs, who the fuck was it
mircea_popescu: ummm... their office is a room and a hallway in uhhh
dignork: re: miners, have you seen spondoolies-tech? My friend works there, and apparently they shipped by plan.
pankkake: by the way, GPU preorders were a thing, too. I preordered one like 15 years ago, it took months before I could have it
mircea_popescu: pankkake a number of options as to where to throw your btc down a well and hope while waiting aren;'t options in the sense we need.
ThickAsThieves: i bet odesk runs most of the action on those sites anyway
mircea_popescu: "Warrior Forum joins the Freelancer.com Family" dude this couldn't have been more appropriate.
pankkake: still, there's a number of options. better than one single GPU manufacturer!
pankkake: I don't follow this a lot but there are some chinese who sell in stock stuff
pankkake: some of them even deliver!
ThickAsThieves: i'm still long, but keep getting sucked back into the game
ThickAsThieves: they only require 3, yet some how, no coins
ThickAsThieves: blowstamps! http://www.theverge.com/2014/4/15/5616160/finland-celebrates-homoerotic-art-with-mustachioed-stamps
fluffypony: "The lesson for anyone in the public domain should already be clear: Don't try to answer rumours on Reddit, unless you are also prepared to provide cast iron proof of what you say, don't discuss your family affairs on a public forum, and especially don't mention your children - this is stupid beyond belief."
fluffypony: I agree with this commenter: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/232v5n/the_full_picture_from_danny_brewster/cgsvpkn
pankkake: they're switching to Qt?
bounce: (deliberate) incompatability by stuffing functionality with strong preference-flavour added where there previously was room for alternative approaches in places that don't need the added complexity and opacity, with added fall-out to well outside the "linux" world and insisting breaking others' software are improvements now? explain that one, please.
pankkake: I don't have issues with those things, they are overall improvements
bounce: at least gnome /was/ more or less confined to its own thing and its invariably byzantinely dependent apps. enter the freedesktop.org bunch, and poettering+gang.
fluffypony: artifexd: agreed, but considering the amount of effort they put into their modified Apache 1.3 (till they switched to nginx last month) makes me think they can accomplish it
pankkake: nice. I was looking for openssl alternatives, and while there are some (with nicer APIs and lighter codebases), the licenses won't satisfy everyone
BingoBoingo: I've just about given them the once over. I'll probably re-read them again over a few days.
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: 45 minutes of reading them last night
BingoBoingo: Seekurity http://thecodelesscode.com/case/87
mircea_popescu: but how can it be designed for ME then
mircea_popescu: pls tell me they weren't advertised as Marital AIDS
gribble: The operation succeeded.
TestingUnoDosTre: They swear it has no bovine spongiform encephalopathy... until now
mircea_popescu: if i knew someone who could mix the shit i would.
mircea_popescu: all the fat useless hogs that never date'd buy it to pretend like they do a lot of fucking,
mircea_popescu: the idea is this : flavoured edible lube. basically, clumps of gelatin,
mircea_popescu: how's the hot sauce coming along ?
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mircea_popescu: the things i learn hanging out with you bums!!11
ozbot: The Codeless Code:
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ThickAsThieves: the tshirt guy was trying to sell me his stake while waiting at an airport for his flight
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell benkay " where there is no recourse for crime" is perhaps a generalisation in the wrong direction. crime will probably be redefined to mean "of the body", ie, assault. stuff of the mind goes the way you contemplate.
mircea_popescu: in other news, global warming hits chicago
mircea_popescu: apaprently dodd-frank is getting shut down i nthe courts.
asciilifeform: another interesting fact about tax in usa (perhaps everyone already knows) - income above a certain sum is taxed at 40-50%
TestingUnoDosTre: was just talking to a self proclaimed business man at the bar today, telling me I had to be creative while filing my taxes
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It's msot of the us, but in different ways. Sometimes condos, sometime subdivisions (probably a part of what makes the rentalstarter thing possible-ish)
mircea_popescu: which theoretically you can't do for living space (must be commercial)
asciilifeform: where miscreants who minimize their bezzle radiation exposure get to pay double
asciilifeform: incidentally, tomorrow is celebrated the greatest american bezzle holiday - tax day
mircea_popescu: i was talking of timisoara, right now, and asciilifeform of some northeast us i guess
mircea_popescu: then it came up for sale about twice a year, i never bothered to make offers again, but i have little doubt it'll continue indefinitely.
mircea_popescu: they had an aneurism.
mircea_popescu: i lol because, well, in typical style of the earlier quoted clueless "businessman" in his own head, they came up for sale once, in late 2009. they wanted x. i made an offer, roughly 0.15 x
mircea_popescu: a phone call and twenny minutes later, i introduce them to the cabdriver who turns on the lights each night
mircea_popescu: she's like, wtf am i talking about, there's like, lights at night and everything.
mircea_popescu: i'm like don't be fucktarded already, nobody EVER bought there, what's wroing with you
BingoBoingo: Full subdivisions, never occupied, each home still for sale, no more than a couple homes from each listed at any given time, the houses take turns in the MLS listings
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i had the opportunity to laugh my ass off at a schmuck last week. son of a friend with this pushy, clueless fiancee. she wants them to buy (mostly on his mother's dough) an apt in this building
asciilifeform: (which, interestingly, affects the prices not at all.)
asciilifeform: and the bezzlers build more, more...
asciilifeform: we have these right here.
BingoBoingo: TestingUnoDosTre: Well there's a bunch of recent construction american ghost towns as well
BingoBoingo: Kind of like the gambling forum on Bitcointalk, full of sites and projects no one wants
BingoBoingo: Yo mamma's so dirty the gangrene left her
mircea_popescu: perhaps one could go lower than that, but for the time being i can't imagine how.
mircea_popescu: so basically cryptostocks is the stock exchange of the future which was judged too low quality by a guy who was running an asset predicated on taking in two beans, giving back one bean a week later and claiming this is 25% roi.
kakobrekla: 24 Oct 23:14 Satoshi Poker changed its share structure and share prices. Please see the asset description for more information
mircea_popescu: the "investors" that were fed a 4k btc minimum for a 20k btc valuation are going to be dealt with out of...
mircea_popescu: Starting bid of the auction is 30 BTC. Payment of buy is completely in bitcoin, of which 22.9 BTC has to be done to the hot wallet so buyer can see that in fact the balances are covered and remainder has to be sent to me to settle with SP's current investors.
mike_c: ah. i don't know the backstory
mircea_popescu: mike_c guy could have gone a lot further if he actually used his chances rather than thinking he's smarter that everyone. that's the tragedy part of this drama here.
mircea_popescu: I have to look for a project that gives me a paycheck and allows me more time to spend with my girlfriend who had a miscarriage while i was sitting in the waiting room in the hospital working on SP...
mircea_popescu: vision and a budget steps in and takes over. At this moment there is a deficit in player funds, and I would be able to cover them by taking out another bank loan but at this point I would rather sell it and cover all balances from the buying price, as it is pointless to run an internet business with no marketing or development budgets and basically working full time to maintain the just under $1000 in monthly turnover.
mircea_popescu: After working on the project for the past year, sacrificing my other businesses, investing a lot of time and money and running into personal debts to get it to where it is today, I don't have the time or personal stability to move the business forward to its full potential. Since november I have been working with no marketing budget and no development budget and for the future of SP it is better if somebody with a new
mircea_popescu: Satoshi Poker has $118.50/mo net operational costs for the rent of a dedicated server and VPS webhosting package (website and gameserver/bitcoin systems are hosted seperately for security reasons)
mircea_popescu: "Total owed to players: 19 BTC in player balances in the system, 3.9 BTC in pending withdrawals (I will cover these funds out of the buying price so after buying, company will have 0 liabilities towards its players, software companies or whatsoever)"
mircea_popescu: Retweets 11,598 Favorites 8,793 << dude us folk are weird. the actual pic never got 11k retweets wtf.