thestringpuller: Bingo Boingo why the drinking recrod take so long to load today?
fluffypony: but I didn't really have the urge to fly to China and setup a QC/manufacturing structure for a product that I didn't know would sell well
thestringpuller: "The C.E.O. has to be the virus," Mr. Huang said. "To build a great company, you have to kill it a bit every day."
fluffypony: to be fair, our post office's EMS shipments have been amazing and reasonably priced (they charge on actual weight, not volumetric, and deliveries have been 5-9 days worldwide)
fluffypony: their postal service pricing is better than ours
fluffypony: and that they can ship stuff from China for 1/10th of the price and 80x the weight and it arrives in 2 days
fluffypony: even when people confirm the timeline: https://bitcointa.lk/threads/ann-openrigs-com-aluminium-frames-for-mining-rigs.262873/page-15#post-5692124
fluffypony: all the guys with large orders (>$500) are chilled, because they read the timelines during checkout, they understood how long it could take
fluffypony: then suddenly 10 weeks
fluffypony: 5 weeks to the UK
fluffypony: a lot of people complained, and we removed the shipping option
fluffypony: no, they all arrived, we haven't had a lost shipment yet
fluffypony: and we shipped their order
BingoBoingo: So... Somali Pirates ate the rigs?
fluffypony: it goes through the normal routing, but by ship, so it's extremely slow
fluffypony: but it's not by ship directly to the destination port
fluffypony: which is basically over the sea
mrstickball: did TAT meet with them in person?
mrstickball: 10 bitcoins says Havelock never met the owner/operators of NeoBee IRL
mrstickball: so if you want to send an address, a trust rating can be attached to said address to verify authenticity/legitimacy if the user desires such
TestingUnoDosTre: Give people a projected spending and revenue for the quarter
TestingUnoDosTre: Why wouldn't you just raise the funds by smaller batches
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: there are always going to be *new* people with arms to stick in woodchippers
fluffypony: well, it wouldn't make spending too difficult (maybe make it a 3 of N multisig, for eg., or even less - 2 of N), but to make scamming more difficult and thus require not only the manipulation of the market but also the manipulation of the (more competent) investor pool
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: The solution is more along the lines of, if the woodchipper eats your right arm, don't offer it your left.
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fluffypony: and have a small supervisory board elected among the shareholders
fluffypony: someone http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/23cjd9/the_full_picture_of_former_neo_bee_employees/cgvnixi?context=1
fluffypony: so on the back of this Neo&Bee scam
jurov: I have found the phone number I used last year :)
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artifexd: I'd like to be there. My wife tells me that I shall go next year.
artifexd: I'm not there. I'm at work.
TestingUnoDosTre: Ahhh didn't see you were there
artifexd: TestingUnoDosTre: It is to this that I refer: http://trilema.com/2013/the-conference-second-edition/
TestingUnoDosTre: So much action in the chat today
fluffypony: "Danny Brewster was GOX'ED. His creditors and employees were BEE'ED. If YOU don't want to be LOCAL'ED, CBASE'D or BITSTAMP'ED please, please, please with sugar on top, check out the new Armory cold storage wallet"
Apocalyptic: too bad it's closed for bad weather
bounce: the valleys and the hills of the land of bitcoin. but maybe there's room for an ipo or two on some fiat exchanges.
Apocalyptic: bounce, what's the area you're servicing ?
bounce: really should start another company. walkaway coins, financial hiking services.
bounce: "The goal of this IPO is to IPO on as many exchanges as possible."
fluffypony: I never understood the need to IPO on multiple exchanges
Duffer1: in this space if you don't keep your own money there is no hope
fluffypony: maybe they live in hope
fluffypony: the timing does seem to be interesting
Duffer1: i'm curious if the above neobeeq buyer is dyslexic..
ozbot: The full picture of former Neo & Bee employees : Bitcoin
fluffypony: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/23cjd9/the_full_picture_of_former_neo_bee_employees/
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: what's mpex's stance/your thoughts on companies that raise funds in BTC, but then don't only accept payment in BTC (and thus possibly being profitable from a fiat perspective, but not entirely from a BTC perspective) ?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves would you stop being arrogant to other people's customers!
ThickAsThieves: but neither compares to arguing bitbet rules with you
ThickAsThieves: i also love watching the sea during a storm
mircea_popescu: weird mossboy from the everglades.
ThickAsThieves: just a lil wet out there
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves so is this scam weather piddling or notrly ?
fluffypony: we can rebuild it. we have the technology.
mircea_popescu: so if these idjits manage to bomb israel off the face of the map and then we rebuild wit with bitcoin
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ThickAsThieves: i was dreaming that the vip guys were in a brawl in a field and i dove in to rumble then there was a tick in my glove and the hotel phone rang
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves quick impersonate TheRealThickAsThieves and say embarassing things
mircea_popescu: the.average.
kakobrekla: 12:53.02 ( +mircea_popescu ) [11:49:40] anyway, there should be a noob channel where people kindergarten their first year(s) in btc < all but -assets ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, there should be a noob channel where people kindergarten their first year(s) in btc
fluffypony: lol ArsKisS, I'm not responsible for gribble, I was just explaining the rationale
ArsKisS: if some of us are stupid it doesn't make things better to annoy the non-stupid ones
fluffypony: tell nanotube then
mircea_popescu: nanotube maybe add a counter and only tell people say... 500 times they shoulds pay attention ?
fluffypony: and it has to be there because so many people join, get pm'd, and get scammed
mircea_popescu: ahaha no wai. you never got into the wot ?
mircea_popescu: in other news, http://24.media.tumblr.com/533d12ef78db84c196c5f0f361a14a2a/tumblr_n2beoe1tDq1qdlh1io1_250.gif
mircea_popescu: edlund10 yes but read http://trilema.com/2013/lets-understand-mutual-betting-together/ first
mircea_popescu: otherwise it's a good idea.
mircea_popescu: i wouldn't be surpriosed if the above problem is actually most of the friction that site encounters, in its business
fluffypony: there :-P
mircea_popescu: then sayso omg
mircea_popescu: and the downside is i'd have to put "make acct with X site" on someone's workorder.
mircea_popescu: now, the upside i judge at what, a few hundred bucks. cause they're not gonna sell a million copies without advertising and marketing work.
mircea_popescu: dude. looky here : at this point the situation is, some site somewhere provided you do some things may maybe sell your book. things such as i dunno... make an account.
fluffypony: "We work on commission. We don't charge for our ebook publishing, conversion and distribution services, and we don't sell publishing packages. We earn our commission only if we sell your book, and our commission is only 15% or less of the net, which works out to 10% of the retail price when your book sells at our retailers. For example, a $10.00 ebook sold at one of our retail partners earns you $6.00 and earns Smashwords $1.00. The same
fluffypony: they take comm on sales
fluffypony: they don't charge
mircea_popescu: meh, a few hundred bucks on yet another site account somewhere is at this point a net loss to me,
fluffypony: although it could be an interesting proposition to them
mircea_popescu: do they pay out btc ?
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: because they do all the heavy lifting of getting it into the Kindle and iBooks stores etc.
mircea_popescu: edlund10 link to 1st chapter in that link, then chains of links to following chapters.
mircea_popescu: da fuck, that'll be the laugh of all time, if it turns out my real talent was literary.
edlund10: I think he gained lots of popularity after the "How to interact with a fiat institution" article
mircea_popescu: the customer is always right bitch!
kakobrekla: the what
Namworld: The lack of a platform to do that is kind of problematic.
Namworld: Although otherwise I guess that yes, it's a default. I just don't know why he's naming me among so many scams who are more than just late. Or where he even learned I'm late on some payments.
Namworld: The terms where that loan was redeemable on demand, providing time for liquiding assets. The timespan is just getting unreasonable.
kakobrekla: if theres such thing
jurov: i'm on the road, still 450km to timis
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TestingUnoDosTre: Oh my gosh. Tweenagers to the rescue of that Dutch girl who tweeted a bomb threat to AA. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/style-blog/wp/2014/04/14/dozens-of-teenagers-are-now-tweeting-bomb-jokes-to-american-airlines/
artifexd: ThickAsThieves: FWIW, metabyte has been booted as founder of #altcoin and now the founder is listed as freenode-staff.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ThickAsThieves: ;;later tell mircea_popescu looks like the composer for the Heroes game music does some for Rift too
ThickAsThieves: Get out then
ThickAsThieves: And my name is locked otherwise
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TestingUnoDosTre: what in the hell is wrong with you
artifexd: Staffers have been kinda lacking the last few hours.
ThickAsThieves: No answers in the room tho
artifexd: The fact that the founder of the channel is long absent and his nickserv account is expired make it much easier.
artifexd: If they ask, say "Yep"
artifexd: I can point them at the bitcointalk thread. And say, "See ThickAsThieves created the project. He says I am a rep. Don't believe me? Ask him."
artifexd: He hasn't authed with nickserv in 19 weeks.
artifexd: The founder is metabyte. He registered the channel over a year ago. Hasn't been in it for...
artifexd: I want to set a topic to reduce the amount of OMGBBQCoin questions.
artifexd: You have control over therealaltcoin.org, right?
TestingUnoDosTre: fuck me in the ass I need to get out of this country quick
BingoBoingo: The offline half just does signing and never should go online ever
BingoBoingo: TestingUnoDosTre: Good things are said about it. The offline component is light. The online part not so much
TestingUnoDosTre: another question - thoughts on armory?
TestingUnoDosTre: nubbins, let's say yes I do want to store keys there
Duffer1: the last time i used linux was redhat for dummies half a lifetime ago
mircea_popescu: but the perspective never hurt anyone.
mircea_popescu: artifexd you know, im not proposing every engineer out there should be made sausage by nubbins.
thestringpuller: "attacking the wot"
mircea_popescu: "The sound technology, the source says, doesnt yet work. A noise as common as a blender in the background at a coffee shop might cause it to malfunction."
artifexd: I guess the programmers weren't perceived as fungible at Clinkle.
mircea_popescu: HOW do these people expect a fucking company to work already ?
mircea_popescu: For example, only engineers, some designers and product people were given stock. And some of the other departments, such as operations, were asked to do menial tasks for the engineers.
mircea_popescu: One described the way engineers were treated versus everyone else as a caste system within Clinkle. Another said there was segregation in terms of how departments were treated by management.
BingoBoingo: "After the sales team hit its 100,000 sign-up milestone on a Wednesday in late September, Clinkle paid for a booze bus to take them out partying that Friday. Two days later, a dozen people who had been on that bus received a phone call from Clinkles management team. The message: Dont come into work tomorrow youre fired.
mircea_popescu: this sort of retarded shit's becoming something like the new normal.
mircea_popescu: , the group could win a $500 party, spa visit or stereo-system package. None of the pitches included a demo of the actual app."
mircea_popescu: otherwise, almost neobee to a fault. "The growth teams met ambitious goals by targeting the most influential students on campus, such as group presidents and fraternity and sorority leaders. The leaders were shown some images from the website, and the deal was sealed with a compelling prize: If the entire organization signed up for Clinkles waitlist, then all of them downloaded the app on the day it became available
mircea_popescu: "There were culture-building events like parties and baseball games. Employees would dress up for Wacky Wednesdays, sip mimosas on Fridays during lunch, and sunbathe on the office roof deck. Duplan was quickly becoming a star around Stanfords campus prompting both awe and jealousy and not everyone was a fan."
mircea_popescu: to college and letting the boys consult me as an experienced man of affairs. And having finished this process of thinking I wired Carroll that I was ready to join him."
mircea_popescu: "I was flattered by his interest, so I thought it over. That is, I indulged in what young men frequently mistake for thought. In imagination, I saw my name over the door and myself in a fine glass office looking out and watching clerks taking in money. I had, in anticipation, the thrill of buying one store after another and going from town to town on tours of inspection. I tickled my fancy with the idea of coming back
mircea_popescu: the 2nd 2 should be a 3 too so i guess next week is mpoe contract update day o.o
thestringpuller: i haven't verified the sig lol oh well sorry to bring you bad news
thestringpuller: 4.3. This contract is protected as copyrighted material. It may not be reused by different parties without the express permission of MPEx.ch calendar month.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller how does it repeat ?
mircea_popescu: mbas aren't that bad are they
thestringpuller: I think this is the harshest review tag I've ever seen >> "You don't need a heart to like this movie. You need an MBA."
BingoBoingo: TomServo: My favorite part of the story is the parents taking their medicine at the bar
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller that was earlier.
mircea_popescu: none of these apps ever will.
mircea_popescu: who the fuck is so destitute they can't afford a coffee the moment they want one, and who the fuck would want such a person within a mile.
mircea_popescu: "this month i will pay dividends in deleted posts on a forum people who like to talk about bitcoin write for other people who like to talk about bitcoin"
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell moiety are you Snail2 on bitcointalk... Their avatar appears to be a Manul
kakobrekla: if i had to make a bet, id say garr made the complaint.
kakobrekla: ok i found the original
mircea_popescu: the importance of the kitchen for tech start-ups : if you hold the meeting there, even the women can participate.
mircea_popescu: "The week after Thanksgiving, 40 Clinkle employees gathered in the kitchen of their San Francisco office. It was the second time in two days theyd been called together for an all-hands meeting."
fluffypony: maybe they're banning sarcasm?
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: lmao, i have been banned for months, and yet still << they purging old threads you mean ?!
TomServo: So what's the deal with lack of insignia anyhow?
mircea_popescu: jurov TestingUnoDosTres actually im fucking fascinated by the notion of... trading bitbet bets ?!
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: for the low, low cost of only 1000 Buttcoins, I will provide a machine that allows you to effortlessly move through time*
BingoBoingo: Like many bets, with a time machine the specs could have been better.
mircea_popescu: "Of course we had our servicemen behind the self-defense units of Crimea," Putin said during an annual televised call-in with the nation on Thursday.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile i ignored him so the point is moot.
mircea_popescu: i was trying to evaluate whether the guy should be salvaged or i should just ignore him.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: by your own example, you should ask for more information with a purpose - "I am considering buying a used car from Moe. I see that you have rated him in the past. How did that go ?"
mircea_popescu: well, not to be a bore, but didja read the what wot is how to use it article ?
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: ok so then be specific, because the rating is nowhere near a 10 and contains as much info as I can pack into that shortform
mrstickball: There we go
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gribble: You rated user mrstickball on Thu Apr 17 14:41:43 2014, with a rating of 4, and supplied these additional notes: a fantastic human being who happens to run Buy-A-Hash.
fluffypony: well if I must distill the rating into something more concise
fluffypony: well there's been an exchange of money and product several times and neither party has screwed the other over
fluffypony: and there's a lot of shared interest
davout: mircea_popescu: in the context of the conversation we had he didn't really have a motive to lie about it, but hey, who knows
mircea_popescu: because nuts rarely lie towards humiliating themselves.
mircea_popescu: if the guy said he had terminal aids cancer he got from prostituting himself for nickles i'd suspect it.
mircea_popescu: davout and this is credible, because tihan seale didn't lie about pretty much every other thing he said, ever.
davout: mircea_popescu: tihan seale told me he owned bitcoin.com, or the fund or whatever he was representing
mircea_popescu: davout: bitcoin.com belongs to the folks that bought bitoinica << how ?!
davout: mircea_popescu fluffypony what i meant is more something like "by someone else than the nsa", but like i said, i could be dead wrong about it :-)
mircea_popescu: davout: fluffypony: i doubt hb has been actively exploited in the wild, can be wrong tho << what are you, like a quaker ?!
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: It's only wrong because the fish he fries is his self
mircea_popescu: isn't this like the only PT op that ended up on my ignore ?
gribble: You rated user deadterra on Wed Sep 4 18:41:21 2013, with a rating of -5, and supplied these additional notes: sloppy opprtunistic unreliable, bad at what he does, avoid.
kakobrekla: the connection is deadterra
kakobrekla: "IS ONE SCAM NOT ENOUGH? PAY OUT THE ICEDRILL DIVIDENDS."
kakobrekla: the post is by deadterra
mircea_popescu: didn't they do that a few months ago too ?
kakobrekla: so, i rate the guy half a year ago, note not to do biz with
mircea_popescu: fluffypony one of the original money order scammers
kakobrekla: well, such is the world of tanks.
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic because joe sixpack is derping around on the nyse like... erryday.
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Apocalyptic: "There is no way in hell you're going to get Joe Sixpack to use either site." // it didn't occur to him that perhaps this was not the goal
mircea_popescu: fluffypony read side by side with http://trilema.com/2013/the-story-of-pointless-and-witless/
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller actually got himself a nice cookie avvie.
benkay: rather nifty.
mircea_popescu: benkay no, it's a relic of me being pissed off at gravatar \trying to force you to login on their shithole site.
mircea_popescu: TestingUnoDosTres I used to read Krugman frequently like two or three years ago << ok that's the most perverse thing i read on here.
fluffypony: btw "Cars crash all the time, is that a lesson not to drive ?"
mircea_popescu: benkay you being the good witch ?!
benkay: lady v just said that she wants the apartment to look like "the good witch and the mad scientist build a fort in the woods"
jurov: davout it'll be about the innie, not ur limbs
mircea_popescu: bgupta srsly, getr in the wot.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: it's cool, I'll bank the favour till I have something worthwhile to ask :)
cgcardona_: MP dude you're a champ for going back through the logs.
mircea_popescu: cgcardona_ What's the general consensus on Ethereum? << premined scamcoin, basically.
fluffypony: davout: but then your outie would become an innie
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: no need, CloudFlare has nice little 302 redirect rules, so the URL can stay long
mircea_popescu: fluffypony how much to just point it at http://trilema.com/2014/why-dogecoin-is-a-scam-why-the-people-pushing-it-are-assholes-why-business-insider-is-a-contemptible-piece-of-shit-why-anyone-who-ever-worked-for-it-will-be-dancing-in-the-street-for-nickels-and-wh/ ?
fluffypony: here's another convo he had that pissed someone else off, the dude is clearly crazy: http://i.imgur.com/C5yDOVW.png
mircea_popescu: alas, they never have enough good ones.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony being a paranoid schzophrenic is fucking expensive. if every fucktard were the holy grail of mental disease mayne mental science would make some progress.
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: Do you still have the domain?
fluffypony: Hello, Due to your disrespect and lack of understanding of the concept "you have lost the privilege of my reading your messages," you have lost the privilege of my acknowledging you at all. Cheers,
kakobrekla: the what?
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fluffypony: davout: you can't transfer for the first 60 days
davout: fluffypony: if you're giving it away there's no real point in making a contract anyway