mircea_popescu: punkman for the love of meh. why not just rebundle tor.
punkman: The DarkMarket daemon << is this just a rebranded tor bundle thing ? << no it looks like a piece of shit implemented on top of 0mq, which didn't even do security for the first few major versions
mircea_popescu: The DarkMarket daemon << is this just a rebranded tor bundle thing ?
HeySteve: ThickAsThieves, you watched their presentation in Canada?
HeySteve: ThickAsThieves, they haven't programmed that bit yet but they seem to expect someone will soon...
fluffypony: pankkake: LOL - I had no idea, no wonder their product was so shitty
HeySteve: there is linkage between nicks and public keys, but no mention of rating
HeySteve: ThickAsThieves: "At the moment, DarkMarket displays only a bare IP address for every user..."
HeySteve: it's all very well to dodge the federales, but not if it will likely land you in the clutches of scammers
HeySteve: verifiable and community-rated identities across these markets is key to improving trade
HeySteve: I see a reputation system as pretty critical to the success of something like dark markets
fluffypony: and then you used to be able to buy overpriced BTC from thebitcoincard.co.uk and they'd load it on your card in fiat
ozbot: Inside the ‘DarkMarket’ Prototype, a Silk Road the FBI Can Never Seize | Threat Level | WIRED
ThickAsThieves: communicate directly with every other user.
ThickAsThieves: A user downloads the DarkMarket software, which runs as a daemon in the background of the user’s operating system, allowing them to connect to the DarkMarket network through any browser. The DarkMarket daemon incorporates a library of commands for peer-to-peer networking known as ZeroMQ, which allows the user’s PC to become a node in a distributed network where every user can
ThickAsThieves: it seems each user is a host of the network
bounce: didn't germany already outlaw the likes of nmap?
bounce: huh, there's actually a(t least one) shipyard in cuba
fluffypony: "This story was updated at 9:52am PT to reflect the fact that Xapo does not have a formal relationship with MasterCard, but only that it hopes to have one through a partner bank. This is contrary to earlier claims made by Xapo to Gigaom both in person and in writing that Xapo would issue a MasterCard-branded debit card. A MasterCard representative confirmed that it has no relationship with Xapo."
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: http://gigaom.com/2014/04/24/a-debit-card-for-bitcoin-xapo-solves-the-payment-problem-with-mastercard-tie-in/
fluffypony: in the year of 2014
fluffypony: it was on the 24th day of April
moiety: aw i doubt i have any caps in the house to recreate that last one, damnit
mircea_popescu: "i have the special QueefCaptu underwears! only 19'95 at selected retailers"
Naphex: the roughly, and average chitchat, is if bitcoin values moves, you might have less then that 10% of the value on the card. until it readjusts
Naphex: so.. customer stores btc, credit 10% of btc value to corporate issued mastercard, use spends it. hold the btc
moiety: would probably get further with that lil dude than most customer services people mircea_popescu
Naphex: "Casares explained that Xapo added the product due to demand from current customers who have wanted a way to spend the roughly 10% of their funds (on average) they keep in the company’s hot wallets. The remainder is stored securely in cold storage."
Naphex: ThickAsThieves: i think they just have a multi-account system, issue a mastercard, give USD, take BTC
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if we get someone trustworthy doing mining at some point << the way i understand it, mining is -EV unless you own a semiconductor plant.
jborkl_: Almost done integrating a blockexplorer to my site- just waiting on the blockchain to dl
mircea_popescu: the at&t guy
kakobrekla: >> Andrew "Weev" Auernheimer, the infamous hacker and troll,
BingoBoingo: Rabit replies in the comments
kakobrekla: <asciilifeform> kakobrekla: your apparatus is losing umlauts again. < ah, the "ü" thing. dunno, ill see what can i do about that.
kakobrekla: <asciilifeform> ;;later tell kakobrekla pcb folks? do they also pick'n'place, SMT? < afaik one of them still do, i can check.
mircea_popescu: not to pass things that one can easily calc << that's the correct design imo.
kakobrekla: <mike_c> kakobrekla feature request: it would be nice to have yes/no bets confirmed/weighted sum in the BB json. it can be calculated from the bets, so not high priority, but if you're bored :) < hm maybe but that is basic algebra, i try not to pass things that one can easily calc
assbot: !mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)
mircea_popescu: "and if thy functional part offends thee, cut it out!"
mircea_popescu: definitely something to do there tho.
Naphex: so they can start advertising to online stores
Naphex: working on the btc payments gateway
mircea_popescu: getting the bar to grok btc processing tho...
Naphex: mircea_popescu: probably with btc from the bar, and house buys btc back.
asciilifeform: you can use 'vi' instead of 'emacs' if you were to buy a parenthesis-counting slavegurl ?
mircea_popescu: dooglus i believe the vanity value is actually an indirect measure of jd worth
dooglus: (accounts with negative profit pay no commission until the loss is recouped)
dooglus: "whether his 3 digit jd acct is worth money" -- probably a little for vanity's sake, and more if it has a negative investment profit
mircea_popescu: there's an international market for badly brought up western females ?
asciilifeform: considering what they'd be worth on international market
mircea_popescu: (my braindead use of "racism" ethnically reflects merely the confused use of the term by the people most likely to use it, i disclaim any other implication)
asciilifeform: even selling the female lusers, that'd be a serious haircut
mircea_popescu: in typical eeuropean quaintness, your average gypsy worker guy with a sack would generously play the part, for the benefit of any mom needing it
mircea_popescu: consequently, for centuries, the ultimate parental threat was, "i'ma give you to the gypsy man, who comes by with a sack to collect bad kids"
mircea_popescu: gypsies always have lived as nomads. most of the ancient roman empire is inhabited by sedentary farmer types. the differences are quite marked, and children are wired to react negatively to difference.
mircea_popescu: here's a fun bit of the history of racism in europe :
benkay: i thought the homo scene was all about dat promiscuity.
mircea_popescu: either that or... idem. apparently people pay to fuck males, too.
asciilifeform: what does fuckland do with the male idiots?
mircea_popescu: where one lives on a boat in a 2x3 space, separated by a hanging sheet from all the other prostitutes
mircea_popescu: they couldn't be secured by organ harvesting, but they could be secured by sale to evil empire of fuckland
ThickAsThieves: blog is in progress, need to wait for domain to propagate and some other bs
asciilifeform: imagine if, rather than this, student loan were secured by... disassembly for organs
asciilifeform: benkay: no prizes for guessing what mega-subsidy like this does to the price.
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mircea_popescu: but they were awesome.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: worked on them?
mircea_popescu ponders whether his 3 digit jd acct is worth money :D
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform btw what's the tatra truck thing ? god i loved those
mircea_popescu: engine (2 cycle) is in the... back.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ^ what are these
ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
mircea_popescu: then one rainy night in berlin...
mircea_popescu: i miss old style prisoner exchange things. "give me these guys that belong to us, you can have these twerps that'll prolly fit there better"
mircea_popescu: should just ship these fellows over to obama
Naphex: and wait for us to withdraw money from their account
mircea_popescu: i wouldn't touch the romanian derpage, myself.
Naphex: after selling their btc
mircea_popescu: it's how nanotube runs the wot.
asciilifeform: you taught us the word today
mircea_popescu: basically... i'm the denudificator.
mircea_popescu: the nefarious influence of mp : ThickAsThieves wants to ask me q's in private, ends up making a new blog to publish the results on.
mircea_popescu: isn't it ethereum ?
fluffypony: tris: every time I see your host I think you're from Etherium and have come to convince me to "invest"
mircea_popescu: efalken to speak you type in the lower bar and hit enter
benkay: har if i'm up for devoicing the sybils've won and i better skeedaddle anyways.
mircea_popescu: i'll be all like, "naw man, who;s gonna bring us the good mimes anymoar"
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: take the 0.00491256 difference out of my Trilema credits
benkay: whatever irrelevant. the joke was actually about whiny young americans.
benkay: mircea_popescu: i believe i brought the mimicry post to everyone's attention.
mircea_popescu: we're already in the red ;/
mircea_popescu: meanwhile from the sad news department, what'll be the jd s.mpif investment stands at 49.99508744
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ThickAsThieves: efalken has seen the forums yet? :)
mircea_popescu: it WAS a great beast. no longer very useful other than an old codger who once ruled his slice of the world,
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: tks, it's jekyll, which generates static html from markdown basically, and uses this jekyll theme: https://github.com/caarlos0/up
mircea_popescu: <ThickAsThieves> mpex better get with teh programz! << who's zeroblock is more the q.
mircea_popescu: <ThickAsThieves> We registered on bitangels.co and we asked Mike Hearn to be our technical advisor and he accepted. << this can't possibly go any other way than lulz
mircea_popescu: the entire " They should either be sent to the bankruptcy court, destroyed as dividends to bitcoin holders, ~or used for development of maidsafe~..." thing
mircea_popescu: rather luciferic.
mircea_popescu: because that's what the would-be smart idiots not in here do : they misinterpret and misread my designs.
mircea_popescu: missing the point that it's small and community-negative FOR FUCKING REASONS
mircea_popescu: <fluffypony> i think you misunderstand the entire maidsafe thing. they just saw the bitbet treatment of late bets and are trying to implement something a) bigger and b) community-positive.
fluffypony: Naphex: I'm impressed you're ready to support it, you should go tell Blockchain that you're the first in the world to do so :-P
mircea_popescu: <bounce> and then you have a submarine. then what? << then they could hold their breath ? :D
fluffypony: asciilifeform: when we were still in Cape Town it had all been replaced with underground in our area, so it was dangly piece of wire straight into plastic trunking at the curb
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: FIX is quite an interesting, old (early 90's) protocol that is basically pipe-char separated key-values (key is always numeric and based on a predefined list), and you literally dump the ASCII over a TCP session
asciilifeform: dangly piece of wire running precariously from your roof to the pole << exactly what i have here
mircea_popescu: <fluffypony> with a dangly piece of wire running precariously from your roof to the pole << funny, that's how romania does optic fibre.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> s/banned/mandatory << interestingly enough, these two are practically the same thing.
benkay: <ThickAsThieves> unless there is some magical stroke in android? << my android has some magical strokes, ThickAsThieves, but i'm not sharing :D
fluffypony: admittedly their approval process isn't much of a process
gribble: The operation succeeded.
dexX7: ;;later tell fluffypony re: "Blockchain.info still have to approve tags based on the reference material" -> http://canibuildasitehandlingotherpeoplesmoney.com/b.html
asciilifeform: i think it was a plant of his, rather than house
benkay: asciilifeform: mircea_popescu posted a picture a few months back of the amusing repair job done on the wire into his house/
ThickAsThieves: "At ZeroBlock, we encourage all exchanges in the bitcoin community to adopt FIX protocol, if they haven’t already. "
fluffypony: and we have reboot the router to reconnect
asciilifeform: benkay: the romanian internet situation was dire << don't know about the rest of Ro, but in Timis. there were fiber bundles as thick as a man's neck, everywhere.
fluffypony: benkay: when the wind blows that piece of wire hits a tree and our Internet drops
benkay: <fluffypony> with a dangly piece of wire running precariously from your roof to the pole << and i thought the romanian internet situation was dire.
ThickAsThieves: jurov otherwise i'll leave it to them to present a more elaborate document of their plan
ThickAsThieves: yes jurov the latest email says: HI John,
ThickAsThieves: <+benkay> ThickAsThieves re neo hackers, what'd mircea_popescu say? they're looking for incompetent leadership? /// wow, good call
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benkay: is there an ident timeout?
jurov: ThickAsThieves: did you publish the email somewhere?
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benkay: ThickAsThieves re neo hackers, what'd mircea_popescu say? they're looking for incompetent leadership?
benkay: mircea_popescu: regarding the emacs thing, it's just a bit of lisp to make working with gribble and assbot a little more pleasant.
fluffypony: yes looks like they are
fluffypony: those are the guys that are partnering with that "National Stock Exchange" crowd?
ThickAsThieves: they
ThickAsThieves: seems the offer options
mike_c: and if you're in there, small bug report: weight_current is an int, but weight_end is a string.
ThickAsThieves: unless there is some magical stroke in android?
mike_c: to avoid having to press the 'end' key?
ThickAsThieves: i have additional request, a "scroll to bottom" button on the log
mike_c: kakobrekla feature request: it would be nice to have yes/no bets confirmed/weighted sum in the BB json. it can be calculated from the bets, so not high priority, but if you're bored :)
fluffypony: meanwhile there are 6 hops between the "mtgox" address and the ScamSafe address, any of which could be an exchange or a tumbler
fluffypony: crumbs, so someone suggested returning the mtgox coins sent to MaidSafe to the sender - so Dan Larimer from BitShares says: "Sending them back to the thief? That makes no sense. They should either be sent to the bankruptcy court, destroyed as dividends to bitcoin holders, or used for development of maidsafe... the only thing that must not happen is the issuance of Safecoin to the thief."
bounce: you're trying to play a numbers game. why the spendy alloys when something stupid like concrete would do?
fluffypony: oh there we go
bounce: why not? just thicken them up a bit. perhaps fill with cooling liquid if pressure becomes a problem. no need for air inside.
bounce: then concrete caissons might be more appropriate.
asciilifeform: point was, if the only object is to put machines in physically-inaccessible places, rather than cover the planet with radio, the sea is a more appropriate place than orbit.
bounce: that's 3.5e11 dollahs. maybe a little on the spendy side.
asciilifeform: consider the cost of sailing to just one precisely-specified coordinate pair in the deep sea
fluffypony: if anyone wants me to put them down as a CoinBr referral...first to give me their invitation code gets it
asciilifeform: bounce: not if you want 10,000 of them
bounce: parkers? but wouldn't a cold war bunker be cheaper then?
asciilifeform: or, when they do, barometer triggers detonator
asciilifeform: bounce: platform - psh. the whole point is to put them where nosy parkers can't get at them
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ThickAsThieves: the pinodecchio would need to be located in places deemed unfishable
asciilifeform: fluffypony: they "need" $3.5 mil << one could build a... submarine. for this
fluffypony: HeySteve: on the thread
HeySteve: fluffypony where did you find that quote from the guy looking into Maidsafe?
fluffypony: asciilifeform: it's basically exactly like Freenet except for some reason they "need" $3.5 mil to write the software and launch
HeySteve: so it seems scammy and now Karpeles is jumping in to the scam pool
HeySteve: seemed nice from the PR I guess? then there was some associated bullshit with Mastercoin pay-ins to get MaidSafe coins - I didn't really follow the story tho
asciilifeform: the hell's 'maidsafe'
HeySteve: sure I could've got thru that to someone with better net, despite their "T&Cs"
fluffypony: with a dangly piece of wire running precariously from your roof to the pole
fluffypony: bounce: depends on your distance to the MSAN here
HeySteve: well there's the log, but it's that I'm trying to verify the story by searching about the blockchain and forum
fluffypony: HeySteve: MTN's fibre-to-the-home stuff is coming later this year
fluffypony: HeySteve: run a bouncer off a VPS or something, then you won't miss anything
HeySteve: learnt to tolerate most of it the time but writing breaking news is not the time for this crap
HeySteve: this rickety tincan s'effrican internet can go to the devil
gribble: The operation succeeded.
fluffypony: the dude looking at the MaidSafe investments: "I've traced back the BTC Guild admin too. There're big guys involved in this scam."
fluffypony: asciilifeform: agreed, but this is for contractors and staff scattered all over the place; all ownCloud comm is over an https api
fluffypony: not talking about über-paranoid data, but spreadsheets and docs and the like
Naphex: i'm not a fan of the cloud
asciilifeform: ;;rate hanbot 1 had the honour of meeting this user in person.
fluffypony: Naphex: I'm not, just a friend using them for his ownCloud data (1gbps colocated box)
Naphex: fluffypony: never used them. but i'n genereal i wouldn't run bitcoin services on anything else then dedicated owned servers :P
mircea_popescu: well they're not french
mircea_popescu: you hear me ? put down the white powder and get to work, pancakefaces!
asciilifeform: if the kid can sign up for 'warcraft', why not wot ?
gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
mircea_popescu: hey, DRKP or KDPR or DERP or wtf it's called secret services : drop the man a memo wtf.
mircea_popescu: why is he not in the wot is what i wanna know. clearly he's seeking the approval of the people that make the world turn
Naphex: for the smallies
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell kakobrekla pcb folks? do they also pick'n'place, SMT?
mircea_popescu: "i will take my prize in atc" the man says.
asciilifeform: homomorph? what'd i miss in the log?
mircea_popescu: and the subsequent developments in finance.
mircea_popescu: benkay sure. a lot of excellent application for homomorphisms in crypto, many of them empowered/exposed by bitcoin
ozbot: The wunderbar S.MPIF pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/the-wunderbar-smpif/ << updated, lots of stuff. including teh managers/pcs etc.
asciilifeform: it was also the only xilinx chip with 100% documented internals.
asciilifeform: (XC6216 was the one and only known fpga where random wiring was guaranteed -never- to release the magic smoke.)
kakobrekla: interestingly it tries to fix the correct word.
kakobrekla: it was coded way before -assets tbh, then repurchased
asciilifeform: ^ promised this to people at the conference
mircea_popescu: consultancy, in the germanz view, is "omfg you are so stupid i can not even believe how stupid you are"
fluffypony: looking at the new TLDs that are available...I can get rs.guru
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mircea_popescu: you get the point.
mircea_popescu: (it's roughjly the equivalent of a normal ib liquidity clause)
mircea_popescu: this is also good because it gives some anchor to the fund
mircea_popescu: you get a 10% cut of the results, report your trades monthly.
mircea_popescu: it goes like this : the s.mpif is going to be reporting its assets monthly. meanwhile it will probably trade. there should be a mechanism to buy/sell shares to ensure the market stays liquid and more or less alligned to net value. so what i want to do is :
ozbot: Andy Warhol's Amiga computer art found 30 years later | The Verge
ThickAsThieves: http://www.theverge.com/2014/4/24/5646554/andy-warhols-lost-amiga-computer-art-photo-essay
ThickAsThieves: rather than converting everything into a summary
ThickAsThieves: you could really benefit from understanding the world around you in its true form
Anduck: tldr neo bee CEO ran with coins, all others are innocent?
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fluffypony: Anduck: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/23cjd9/the_full_picture_of_former_neo_bee_employees/
Anduck: they give + to people with no news knowledge
fluffypony: let's find out...back to you in the studio, ThickAsThieves