BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It's use is necessary to master the craft, but exposing it is a faux pas.
ThickAsThieves: basically people are superstitious that picthers can do magical things when using tar
asciilifeform: elaborate on the 'forbidden necessity'
ThickAsThieves: as in, they obv cant totally stop people from using it
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo, ThickAsThieves, other players of baseball - is the tar considered a cheat because it gives actual advantage? or merely not part of the regulation game?
BingoBoingo: I mean the writer cam to the wrong conclusion. It should still stay "banned" but discretion is the first step towards sophistication.
ThickAsThieves: not whether
ThickAsThieves: "Totally agree that it should be legal. In the mean time, Pineda really just needs to get better at this. I mean, he should realize that he is being watched after the last incident, there has to be a better place to put pine tar than on your neck. Just learn to cheat better."
BingoBoingo: Everything is legal so long as you wait until the contest is over to flaunt it
ThickAsThieves: "The reason we didn't like it was because it was so 'in your face.' If he had been a little more discreet with it nothing would have ever been said."
BingoBoingo: The most exciting treatise on politics Gawker has ever hosted http://deadspin.com/pine-tar-should-be-fully-legal-and-baseball-is-still-f-1567100538
asciilifeform: (ignore the thread titles, these were strictly psychiatric ruminations, nothing to do with programming computer)
ThickAsThieves: i think low bet submissions being topical is enough to change the tide
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: The discussion usually centers around politeness, because the mimics dont really have the intellectual ability to identify, nor the ethical fiber to enunciate the real problem << reminds me:
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves maybe. was there a bubble last summer ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: What I gather is that SEO spammers can't spec interesting bets
cazalla: mircea_popescu: didn't Obama already mention it last year albeit off the cuff remark questioning he needed to worry about it or not
Duffer1: in case anyone has some scorn they need to let out https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=581995.0
mircea_popescu: the may-june-july hole
ThickAsThieves: my brother favored his left hand but my dad basically "corrected" him out of it
cazalla: BingoBoingo: interesting article - my son is 14 weeks ATM, is favouring his left hand when grabbing for things yet no left handers in my family although my father is schizophrenic as was my grandfather and my uncle
ThickAsThieves: also in my own experience many of the crazies i met that are also smart are left-handed
BingoBoingo: Eh, I'm right handed but left eye dominant. Sometimes I'm clumsy, but that is usually just distilled rather than beyond the grave spirits at work.
BingoBoingo: I also swear deadspin might be the only Gawker enterprise worth saving.
ThickAsThieves: "he researchers indeed discovered that left-handedness, like schizophrenia, was highly associated with being conceived in May or June " yknow this has always been my theory of how zodiac traits were started
BingoBoingo: Also the left hand path http://regressing.deadspin.com/can-you-predict-if-your-kid-will-throw-left-handed-1552111458/+kylenw
BingoBoingo: Chicago http://deadspin.com/the-cubs-400-pound-wrigley-cake-is-sitting-in-a-dumpste-1567177257
BingoBoingo: That's like liver and stomach boobs. Missed the chest by quite a bit
mircea_popescu: im sure the practicak difference between acquittal and conviction is less than the difference between his life pre and post that nonsense.
BingoBoingo: Yeah, in other news, elmo acquitted http://gawker.com/ex-elmo-voice-actor-kevin-clash-cleared-of-sexual-abuse-1567240733
BingoBoingo: The wife is called Incontientia
kakobrekla: next time ill rather google.
kakobrekla: srsly someone planted that there eh
kakobrekla: 90 if you include the time from closing to resolution
BingoBoingo: The hill billies always support the local nut, or the regional nut they can identify with
BingoBoingo: Usually the local nut.
mircea_popescu: jesus, the local nut ?
mircea_popescu: This also gives some credibility to the thesis that was popping up in the 19th century that the North African Jews had a Phoenician origin (or that the difference between Canaanite and Jew before the rabbinical period was not very pronounced for p
mircea_popescu: is wasy for a Punic speaker to progressively become an Arabic speaker, since he already knows 80-90% of the vocabulary.
mircea_popescu: This explains the mystery of the effortless Arab invasion of the Southern and Western Mediterranean, all the way to Spain (and, less advertised, the Portuguese Algarve). They had to be welcomed by the local population along the coast. Canaanite and Arabic are easily mutually comprehensible (the distance between Semitic languages is very short, a corrollary of the stability thanks to the triplet of consonnants). And it
mircea_popescu: e Romans did not make names, but transcribed them). I estimate that the third of the coastal villages spoke Semitic dialects. The modus of the Phoenicians was network, hence a system of trade links built on trust (you send merchandise to a relative who pays you back; you needed a certain amount of trust before the letter of credit). The region is large: it extends all the way to Mogador on the Atlantic coast.
mircea_popescu: anguage at home and for oral communication that is different from the language of writing, and doing so for 1000 years). And there had to be plenty of Semitic language speakers; just follow placenames from Carthage to Ramatuelle in France near Saint Tropez (ramat el means hill of God in both Canaanite and Hebrew). Even Marseilles seems to come from Marsa, port in Canaanite (and not from Massilia the Roman name since th
mircea_popescu: This stickiness of the Semitic languages supports a speculation: by the 7th Century there had to be many pockets in the Western Mediterranean of Punic-Canaanite speakers, about a thousand years after the fall of Carthage. Falling under Roman rule did not turn the population into Latin speakers (only for scholarly purposes, say Saint Augustine of Hyppo; we have much evidence of diglossia in the Levant, of the use of a l
BingoBoingo: What enables or prohibits aggression for territory, is not tanks fighter jets, or nukes but the williness or lack thereof to accept certain kinds or sources of governance.
jurov: but they will be made to favor it any way necessary
mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/804/obama-will-mention-bitcoin-before-2015/#c2845a << re this, kakobrekla or anyone with the data ready, what's the average duration for bitbet bets ?
BingoBoingo: The entire world is Italy.
BingoBoingo: The same thing that gives Putin his good fortune enables America's golden toilets thus.
BingoBoingo: What luck do the Chinese have
BingoBoingo: However if 1000 hillbillies with rifles oppose their own government over cows...
BingoBoingo: Putin could have crimea and Eastern Ukraine because the people already favor Russia.
BingoBoingo: See this is the genius of Putin in Crimea and the enablement of US golden toilets all rolled into one.
mircea_popescu: just tax the locals.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: In the next 100 to 500 year someone might want to use Kansas as their own breadbasket.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i don't imagine anyone would be invading the us.
mircea_popescu: They has a fit while I commit my social suicide,
BingoBoingo: The greatest problem with the movie Red Dawn is that no sane invader of the US would spend more effort than necessary to hold the Rockie Mountains than that necessary to cripple command structures there.
BingoBoingo: Well the US defense posture goes back to the comments here where the challenges of an actual invasion of the US are discussed in terms of some areas having too many hillbillies to hold for an invader http://trilema.com/2014/most-wrong-and-absolutely-wrongest/
BingoBoingo: Then there's the accident by which a fuel tanker and crew were lost because control systems failed. The crew was done in though by a lack of parachutes which had been recently removed.
mircea_popescu: this reads to me like "the us cook force no longer trains sauce chefs in flour-and-oil saucing"
BingoBoingo: The ground pounders seem to still be getting well versed in the arts of map and compass, but for the rest...
mircea_popescu: "The U.S. Air Force, for example, no longer trains navigators in celestial sightings,"
BingoBoingo: Preston has so much derp http://prestonbyrne.com/2014/04/22/the-ballad-of-doug-the-dao-part-1-time-to-stop-thinking-like-an-engineer/
BingoBoingo: http://ricks.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2014/04/18/the_future_of_war_25_you_better_be_ready_to_fight_like_its_a_pre_electronic_age
mircea_popescu: it looks like they're announcing a new bitcoin credit card
BingoBoingo: No one knows except the people who shouldn't
kakobrekla: Cognitive Mining LLC is no longer liable for any past or present action or involved in the management of this project in any way. It is fully within the rights of Cognitive Mining LLC to find a new operator and resign.
kakobrekla: im not even sure what they are doing
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: The part where they finally liquidate after a bunch of "no u" back and forth between Gar and Goat
ThickAsThieves: the preston dude is offensively oblivious
ThickAsThieves: mp did you see preston's retort? it's like a text version of the baby-with-mirror gif http://prestonbyrne.com/2014/04/21/that-didnt-take-long/
BingoBoingo: Well, of course kakobrekla manufacters the best slander. It works so good it makes itself right.
BingoBoingo: Like the Cardano.
mircea_popescu: what, you do this with others, too ?
mike_c: trilema feature request: why do i have to go to secret page to login? having the cookie form on the 'fee' page would be nice.
ThickAsThieves: "really have the intellectual ability to indentify"
phf: asciilifeform: they wanted to forbid / walking down this street. / we'll smash the concrete walls / we'll march down the block / you, forbaders, / suck a cock!
BingoBoingo: Sure. But if we value the BTC on the benkay principle that it is never worth parting with, it holds. Now with the sinking Patrick Harnet only cost 500 BTC or $2500, sure. This continutes to the mysticism surrounding BTC prices.
mircea_popescu: that'd be the case if there existed no spot. as it is, he lost 50 bux or w/e the spot was
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: One of my favorite parts of the thing was the spread ran roughly from 400 satoshis to 100 satoshis, and he though settling around 100 satoshis would be a bad thing. Low and behold since x-bt opened 100-200 satoshis has been the norm.
BingoBoingo: herbi at the time lsot what was all of his declared BTC
BingoBoingo: Making two profits in the process
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Up to then there had never really been any solid indication of this chan that I might have some potential for trading prowess, at least not until I took herbi's house, car, wife, and dingo
thestringpuller: da fuq did the time go?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: See, before the quoted interaction with herbi there would have been zero or less reason to propose I be your altcoin trader, whereas herbi had been pimping his 1337 quant skills and fx hobby.
mircea_popescu: i'm exactly the opposite of a bureaucracy, fucking impredictible by design
mircea_popescu: and why the majority of "actors" in "business" hate my and my model
mircea_popescu: "This suggests focusing on robustness, as opposed to prediction, because the system works against rational expectations, especially those consensus ideas that come out of large bureaucracies. After all, what better sufficient statistic for a mimic to exploit than some well-known regulatory bullet point that supposedly ensures trivial risk? Recessions are not going away; they are endogenous because zero mimicry is not a
asciilifeform: loosely: 'they a ban for us decreed / for to keep us from this street / we shall move aside stone blocks / on this street we'll take our walks'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no but the symmetry see ? white/white for liberals/normal ppl, mirrored in the suka/suka for english/russian
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phf: that's preserving the original derevensky rhythm :)
phf: fell in love with mr. krushchev / but the marrige was a flop / on our wedding night discovered / that his penis was a cobb
asciilifeform: just had the thought, nobody else in this ch. likes languages ?
mircea_popescu: want the kicker ?
mircea_popescu: A bedouin lost in the desert stumbled on the lawn / Obama assured him that if he likes his water,
asciilifeform: where's the obama version.
asciilifeform: incidentally, this art form is curiously absent in the anglo world.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
artifexd: Regarding SatoshiJack, https://cryptocointalk.com/topic/8980-multi-crypto-multiplayer-blackjack-html5/ says that the site is http://satoshijack.com/ or http://just-blackjack.com/
mircea_popescu: "we caught up with the us on milk ; we're behind on meat, our bull's cock [is] broke"
mircea_popescu: Feb 14 03:12:12 the herbi argument you quote | Feb 15 10:41:31 <mircea_popescu>pankkake pls to pay to BingoBoingo 100k atc, let's see what he can do.
asciilifeform: 'when it comes to milk, we're even with america, at last; as for meat, they're still the leader - our bull broke his cock, alas.'
BingoBoingo: Well, the herbi stuff was over the 13th and 14th. It wasn't until later I became your trader (but not much later)
BingoBoingo: Then he lost it.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: At the time I battled herbi I was trading my own ATC
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo dude, at the time you were atc trading already for a day or two
kakobrekla: ah ok then, i thought i signed something that was not aware of for a sec
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Maybe that is the public impression I want to deliver. I mean I let herbi think I was a bot for a good while.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo "And that's pretty much the thing in a nutshell." "Generally..." "Basically..." dude you sound moonstruck.
Apocalyptic: kako, reads to me like we'll be doing all sorts of shits, because another income
mircea_popescu: do they allow anon regs or some shit ?
kakobrekla: Multibet.io is a work in progress, but is another source of income for our company. You will also receive profits from this.
kakobrekla: >What about the casino?
fluffypony: kakobrekla: "The remainder will be kept in reserves to pay for monthly costs, such as the data center." - they have an entire data center to pay for, yo
mircea_popescu: phantomcircuit did it, on the previous first best & largest uk exchange.
mircea_popescu: who do you think wrote that famed script that emailed the entire userbase the emails of the entire userbase ?
mircea_popescu: so far we can't be bothered to do our research
mircea_popescu: The UK is the world's 6th largest economy, but so far they have no bitcoin exchange."
mircea_popescu: anyway, when i see all these exciting news "we" teams, all i can think is
mircea_popescu: "I wanted to share this new exciting news with you all. The Startup Stock Exchange (SSX) is now the first investment platform through which Bitcoins can be used to invest in companies!"
kakobrekla: ah they do fiat scams instead?
fluffypony: I'm not sure if them adding Bitcoin as a funding option will draw much interest from the BTC community tho
fluffypony: and there are several stages including due dilligence
fluffypony: they've been around for a year or so
kakobrekla: is it? i havent followed the link
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell nextime get in the wot eh.
gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
fluffypony: "President Vladimir Putin on Thursday called the Internet a CIA project"
ThickAsThieves: What was the website for SatoshiJack again?
jborkl_: I can't understand anything, but you know when they are pissed off
nextime: ( sorry for the delay in my answers, i'm doing some multitasking things with my childs at home actually )
asciilifeform: nextime: what do you require for a kitted build (e.g. minimal tape lengths for smt parts, what format for the pick'n'placer)
asciilifeform: unit has through-hole parts. how are these handled?
nextime: asciilifeform : of course, but i can bet on my quality :) really, tooling isn't a real cost for us, many assembly company charge tooling cause they wan't to have low batches, we live with low batches
asciilifeform: nextime: if we will have a continued relationship << this can't really be promised until the fee is paid and results delivered, can it.
asciilifeform: and what would be the turnaround time?
nextime: ok, great, my company basically do low batches production and prototypes, and then we do assembly for bigger batches ( and for bigger batches as usual we just build pcb with an external fab )
asciilifeform: nextime: kitted or turnkey build, either, works
asciilifeform: nextime: there is already a source for the pcb per se; but i'm shopping around for assemblers.
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davout: mircea_popescu: suppose it'd make actual economical sense to pull the fibre up to where you live, and suppose also that the whole business model of your internet provider is putting fibre in shitty neighborhoods because that's what they do
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: over here, this traditional reply usually comes with a five, six (usd) figure quote for running the fiber. (add insult to injury)
mircea_popescu: sop you call support and are explained that well... they can't put fiber there because they can't push the light uphill.
mircea_popescu: davout suppose your isp decides not to put optic fiber in your neighbourhood becauise you're all faggot gypos there and they don't like you.
mircea_popescu: <bounce> apparently blockchain removed the fix api announcement? << yeah lol. this is "pr" according to teh vc circus.
mircea_popescu: mike_c> did everyone get home from the conference and start mining atc? nethash is booming. << what's it yet ?
davout: the guys made money from custom debit cards
mircea_popescu: <davout> fluffypony: mastercard opposed bitinstant's card, and they also opposed ours when we wanted to issue one in partnership with aqoba << or that's what auoba told you, anyway.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell heysteve https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/459438537163538432 cuz i gotta do all the work around here
asciilifeform: ('paste' is a substance with roughly the appearance and consistency of toothpaste, with small solder globules suspended.)
fluffypony: mike_c: I don't have the steady hands
asciilifeform: fluffypony: sure, let's, i appreciate the effort
asciilifeform: (not that it can't be done, but nobody on the planet will do it for $20.)
fluffypony: "For the slaves, i was thinking about using a pic18f67j60, it is an 8 bit MCU with an ethernet mac/phy embedded, and it is very powerfull. the same circuit we have for the expansion board with this MCU and a magnetic rj45 connector will cost the same for prototipes and no more than 15$ each in production for low batches."
fluffypony: "For the initial batch we can use manual soldered components, so, we can avoid to have the master piece plate for SMD components to buy, and move to SMD only if production batches will go over 1000 pieces."
asciilifeform: fluffypony: care to say approximate cost of the prototype run?
fluffypony: that's what they've designed with us and are busy prototyping atm
fluffypony: lemme pastebin it out the proposal
fluffypony: asciilifeform: no secret at all - we have a design for a remote power on/power off system for mining rigs that we're busy finalising with them
asciilifeform: fluffypony: if it's no secret, what did you do with them?
fluffypony: asciilifeform: I can you put you in touch with the Italians that are doing stuff for us, I know the owner well and can vouch for him, and they routinely work with small quantities
asciilifeform: my main purpose in asking here is to sound out the possibility that someone knows such an operator in person, and can vouch for him.
bounce: apparently blockchain removed the fix api announcement?
asciilifeform: but i could be convinced otherwise, given new data
asciilifeform: given what i know about the miner builders, i'm not certain i'd want to purchase so much as shoelaces from anyone associated
ThickAsThieves: but they just posted a big update this week
ThickAsThieves: i havent either
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: are asicminer still planning on manufacturing to sell to miners, or are they now all in-house mining only? I haven't kept tabs in ages
ThickAsThieves: thats the point!
ThickAsThieves: www.therealaltcoin.org
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mike_c: did everyone get home from the conference and start mining atc? nethash is booming.
ThickAsThieves: not sure if youve any interest, or whether it's a good idea, but i'd be happy to try and connect you to Friedcat at ASICMINER if you think he might have any connections of interest re pcb or components
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: you know the owner personally?
asciilifeform: doubt that anyone can beat the chinese slavefarms for pcb
kakobrekla: they even offer submitting it to the bucket and they print when they have one full board used
ThickAsThieves: [16:09] <+kakobrekla> the devils advocate? /// one of my fav movies, also a term many people have used on me, also what i feel the essence of blogging is
kakobrekla: they do small runs
BingoBoingo: I feel special, ThickAsThieves gets no insight into my operations othe than what I might publically disclose.
kakobrekla: the devils advocate?
asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: surprised that you haven't taken the offer yet - it sounds like fun.
ThickAsThieves: i'll surely be tweaking the style and widgets etc
asciilifeform: unfortunately, 'designed accordingly' consists, imho, entirely of the weirdo heresy that only i seem to believe in.
kakobrekla: they use bitstamp, fucking great.
ozbot: Updated: A debit card for bitcoin: Xapo could solve the payment problem with help from banks —
fluffypony: http://gigaom.com/2014/04/24/a-debit-card-for-bitcoin-xapo-solves-the-payment-problem-with-mastercard-tie-in/
fluffypony: kakobrekla: the GigaOm article is better because it contains an embarrassing update
kakobrekla: the log pft. ill remove it just so i dont have to read it.
kakobrekla: davout what is the story with xapo?
France-bitcoin: thx davout, still taking care of the kids and the gribble thing is not finished yet...
davout: i'm off, stomachs don't just fill themselves
davout: fluffypony: the psp we were working with was working with mastercard, custom cards are mostly mastercard's thing, not really visa's
bounce: except they might at the drop of a hat decide that they don't like where some of their users send their money and stop doing it
davout: fluffypony: mastercard opposed bitinstant's card, and they also opposed ours when we wanted to issue one in partnership with aqoba
fluffypony: they have VISA and MasterCard prepaids
fluffypony: davout: I met with one of the banks here last year August-ish about it
davout: the xapo story is interesting, wonder where it will go
France-bitcoin: well i did need to connect here (or another chan on the list...) then do it privately which is what i'm talking about
fluffypony: lol customers...ticket just got escalated to me: "I run the 8th largest magazine in the world" - maybe I should reply and ask them what they're doing buying GPU mining frames
France-bitcoin: stop rubbing each other guys :)
mircea_popescu: cause while scammers usually id in pm, they still gotta be in chan
France-bitcoin: well the welcoming party here is nice :) I should think about that yeah :)
mircea_popescu: davout for one, there's peeps trying to scamhunt, they gotta idle in all chans that allow authing
nanotube: davout: i just added #bitcoin-fr to auth list, by bad_duck's request. so... there.
davout: France-bitcoin: if you're doing business you should probably hang around the "authable" chans anyway
davout: bounce: negligible, most of the hassle is the broken window and the time lost with the police
mircea_popescu: davout he means it's not on the auth list.
mircea_popescu: lol they actually managed to get charles de gaulle seaworthy ?
fluffypony: any other country."
fluffypony: "On international tests, American children rank 25th in math and 21st in science, despite the push for greater accountability through No Child Left Behind. What’s more, although America is falling behind in math, our kids are first in confidence. American students get terrible math scores compared to their international peers, but they think they’re great in math—in fact, they have more confidence in their math skills than students from
fluffypony: pankkake: surely the French would never allow it!
punkman: mircea_popescu: they plan to add Tor but still, I don't think it's prudent to 0mq with random nodes
France-bitcoin: yeah we know each other :)