kakobrekla: yes but look at the logo
artifexd: Bloomberg is using Kraken as the source? WTF? They had less than 10btc of volume in the last 24 hours. Talk about a fucked up signal.
ozbot: View the profile of Dargo
mircea_popescu: whgat the fuck is this
mircea_popescu: last seen on the forum what, late feb ?
mircea_popescu: guess who's the expert in this story.
mircea_popescu: for the people keeping score at home.
mircea_popescu: anyway, 5k words and no mention of the actual point this all started from.
ThickAsThieves: and looking back at last year's AMS conference, he was pretty quiet on the panels
mircea_popescu: So, who is Stefan Thomas, and why is he the person Powell called?
ThickAsThieves: “A lot of these things are difficult to verify or prove”
mircea_popescu: hoiw are they in comic sans /
asciilifeform: and ტ is - power switch. aka 'the any key.'
gribble: The operation succeeded.
artifexd: ;;later tell jurov Do you round deposits down to the nearest btc?
mircea_popescu: see, the importance of community in one's life.
ozbot: The idea for a great film… pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: and they probably will
asciilifeform: but they might call it one.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform course the flaw there is to assume people whose tech is bow and arrow have the means to fight a Ww.
ThickAsThieves: miserable dude in camo eating at the place he cleans shit
ThickAsThieves: the picture in the bbc article for it is awesome too http://www.bbc.com/news/business-27257760
mircea_popescu: well... the reports that were made to make you feel good are made in the way that we agreed will make you feel good.
ThickAsThieves: well part of my dafuckness is how they are all "It's a flat out good report. All of the metrics that you want to see improve, did," said Tom Porcelli
ThickAsThieves: "The one thing I would be careful with though is the decline in the unemployment rate, the decline in the unemployment rate was a function of the labour force falling by 806,000, that is gargantuan decline," he added.
ThickAsThieves: The US economy created 288,000 jobs in April, the strongest monthly job creation since January 2012.
mircea_popescu: lol. ah if only they had enough sense to do what told a while back.
ThickAsThieves: yeah that's true, when i was there 10 people might show up, but only 3 or 4 ever talked
ThickAsThieves: i think the asicminer board is in an ill state actually
mircea_popescu: to celebrities desperate for retroactive "involvement" who still are noobish enough to imagine this will allow them to bypass the wot.
ThickAsThieves: GoCoin, isnt that the one all the SeedCoinFund people are butthurt about "missing" out on?
ThickAsThieves: But the idea that underage boys were drugged and raped at the Encino estate, and sometimes threatened with guns by Collins-Rector, is hardly new. Egan was one of several young men to make such allegations in lawsuits filed against Collins-Rector, Shackley and Pierce 14 years ago -- court cases in which the plaintiffs won $4.5 million from Collins-Rector and Shackley by default because
ThickAsThieves: and The Mighty Ducks
mircea_popescu: let me guess. yet another ex child actor turned bitcoin investiteur ?
ThickAsThieves: but i'm known for overestimating the idiot
ThickAsThieves: i think itll get to 3.0 then go away
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves im kinda curious how far the nonsense will go. specificaslly, if the comatose media-only "Web 2.0" will be forgotten and a new web 2.0 will be enacted, out of the same pressed shitboard,
mircea_popescu: web 1.0 was and sitll is good enough. in the sense of way better than any walled garden bullshit.
mircea_popescu: i love linking. and i still believe in the old concepts of the web, from back like 1999
pankkake: but I rarely see this practice (linking to posts) nowadays, even though this probably gave the name to "blogosphere"
pankkake: I'm susbscribed to trilema comments so I see the links, that's all
ThickAsThieves: even when we break out of the channel and its impossible log, we create a web of cross-referenced blogs to further fuck with newcomers
mircea_popescu: pankkake do you like analytix the fuck out of those blogs ?
pankkake: BingoBoingo and benkay are good at the game too
pankkake: that was a tentative joke. anyway, have to agree on the trend of linking to trilema on every blog post
mircea_popescu: whoa. panties on ?! omfg the indignity
mircea_popescu: what's with these people and body painting unhealthy looking women ?
ThickAsThieves: 2 of the girls are aliens
CheckDavid: I don't get why they are so skinny though
mircea_popescu: blue boy... that's what they callleeeed meeee
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i like the coloring.
mircea_popescu: VanCleef you need to read the logs. this was discussed to death.
VanCleef: athero or whatever his name was had good wot ratings
bounce: how to fill 120 pages worth of screenplay from irc logs? now there's a fiddy kay question.
mircea_popescu: (also that's pre-crisis. it was way better then)
ozbot: Harlan Ellison -- Pay the Writer - YouTube
mircea_popescu: i gave him some freedom implicit there, so his job doesn't suck
mircea_popescu: that's the screenwriter's job.
bounce: ducktaped chickens, bio-fleshlights? the sheer depravity. minus personpoints for you!
ThickAsThieves: i'm gonna make a post in MY blog about the new ending, cuz apparently it's all the rage these days, blogging on top of what mp says ;)
VanCleef: i wanted to do a homage to 80's action films and do one about the most powerful groups of people that run the world today and they all work in this underground sex trade where they only use women as currency
jurov: it's certain they will continue with it
ThickAsThieves: ah poop, your comment section stripped the handles
mircea_popescu: the greatness of money, you get to make choices and have preferences.
VanCleef: you could just pay someone to write the script
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ThickAsThieves: nah i'm just the delusionist
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves that's why you're in the marbles and i'm in the furs, because you actually believe that :D
VanCleef: The term setpiece is often used more broadly to describe any important dramatic or comedic highpoint in a film or story, particularly those that provide some kind of dramatic payoff, resolution, or transition.
ThickAsThieves: it's the political statement i wish to make
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i guess it does that. and yes they are. but it ain't the political statement i wish to make :)
ThickAsThieves: (because they are)
ThickAsThieves: no it proposes the order and chaos are cyclical
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves nah. that's imbalanced. it proposes the idiocy is somehow okay.
mircea_popescu: but it has an event. how many episodes before, and how many after ? either way it's... two tv shows
ThickAsThieves: the ending is the barbarian's own advisor, proposing and convincing him of his first laws of order (hinting at an eventual recreation of the original empire the movie started with)
VanCleef: yeh just reading the movie idea
ThickAsThieves: i propose a different ending for the movie mp
CheckDavid: Like there can’t be a larger binary digit than 1
ozbot: The idea for a great film… pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
assbot: Voicing ReturnOfTheOp for 30 minutes.
jurov: !up ReturnOfTheOp if you insist...
ozbot: The dune buggy that can fly - YouTube
TestingUnoDosTre: but here's the thing
TestingUnoDosTre: For instance, if you were going to loan out 1 btc today to two people, one is going to pay you back in 4 months, the second in 8 months
TestingUnoDosTre: bitbet is not really the point
BingoBoingo: Honestly given the type of site BitBet is, I would be more concerned with trying to win the bets outright instead of chasing a fixed return.
TestingUnoDosTre: I'm not saying you would for sure win these bets. I'm asking, if you did win these bets, what would be the answer for a BTC scenario
TestingUnoDosTre: because you could (theoretically again), place another bet down, hoping for that same 4 month return, and you would equal the bet 2 return of 10%
TestingUnoDosTre: the answer is, slightly less than 5%
TestingUnoDosTre: what would the return be for bet 1 to be equal to bet 2
TestingUnoDosTre: what rate should I pursue (I realize I don't have a control in it), for the two returns to be "equal"
TestingUnoDosTre: ill try another example
BingoBoingo: Or only the winning one?
fluffypony: punkman: I was *so close* to pulling the trigger on that Montrex watch when I saw it, but I couldn't find anything open an "open source Suisse" movement on the web so I figured something was awry...so glad I didn't go for it
TestingUnoDosTre: but what I am asking is, what is the cost of locking up a bitcoin for a period of time
TestingUnoDosTre: I did just read the article today
TestingUnoDosTre: stock price stays the same
TestingUnoDosTre: and then I wait 4 months
BingoBoingo: If you want to lock up a bitcoin on Bitbet, the most important thing is having good information.
TestingUnoDosTre: lets just stick to the time value of having 1 btc locked up in a bet for 4 months vs 8 months
TestingUnoDosTre: how much interest (in btc) should I need for a bet that resolves in half the time, to compare equally
fluffypony: The Bitcoin Assets Playbook
fluffypony: all these and many more questions will be answered in next week's exciting episode of
fluffypony: and why am I holding all these cloves of garlic?
TheNewDeal: so I could have authed as TestingUnoDosTre while I am thenewdeal, just have to be less retarded?
nanotube: your irc nick is irrelevant, as long as you have the key for thenewdeal, you can auth as thenewdeal, even if your nick is benkay :)
TheNewDeal: nother follow up question
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benkay: ;;gettrust assbot TheNewDeal
TheNewDeal: Goodbye TestingUnoDosTre, hello TheNewDeal
nanotube: ;;gpg info TheNewDeal
TestingUnoDosTre: ooo could you please change my otcusername to TheNewDeal
TestingUnoDosTre: WOT becomes the tangled web of trust
nanotube: TestingUnoDosTre: well, if you wanted to do it without my intervention, you can just change key on your old identity to some new key, then register the old key with a new nick. or... you could just ask me to change your otc username.
TestingUnoDosTre: sign the new identity with old key?
benkay: alternatively, you could sign the new identity with the old identity's keys saying something along the lines of 'now doing business as' and then ask all your raters to rate your new nick
TestingUnoDosTre: "this key is already registered under the server"
benkay: i hate to suggest the obvious...
gribble: The operation succeeded.
TestingUnoDosTre: orlov has to be one of the most oft quoted here
asciilifeform: ey got paid. They did eventually reappear, so there may be some merit to this theory. With the gaping manholes positioned throughout the city like so many anteater traps for cars, you had the choice of driving either very slowly and carefully, or very fast, and betting your life on the proper functioning of the shock absorbers. '
asciilifeform: 'Having bits of the landscape disappear can be a rude surprise. One summer I arrived in St. Petersburg and found that a new scourge had descended on the land while I was gone: a lot of manhole covers were mysteriously missing. Nobody knew where they went or who profited from their removal. One guess was that the municipal workers, who hadn't been paid in months, took them home with them, to be returned once th
asciilifeform: accumulating equity for fully employed commuters who shop at the now defunct nearby mall. After the mortgages are foreclosed and the properties repossessed, what more is there to do, except board it all up and let it rot? Well, what has been developed can be just as easily undeveloped.'
asciilifeform: 'Russia's post-collapse economy was for a time dominated by one type of wholesale business: asset stripping. To put it in an American setting: suppose you have title, or otherwise unhindered access, to an entire suburban subdivision, which is no longer accessible by transportation, either public or private, too far to reach by bicycle, and is generally no longer suitable for its intended purpose of housing and
asciilifeform: accumulating equity for fully employed commuters who shop at the now defunct nearby mall. After the mortgages are foreclosed and the properties repossessed, what more is there to do, except board it all up and let it rot? Well, what has been developed can be just as easily undeveloped.'
asciilifeform: 'Russia's post-collapse economy was for a time dominated by one type of wholesale business: asset stripping. To put it in an American setting: suppose you have title, or otherwise unhindered access, to an entire suburban subdivision, which is no longer accessible by transportation, either public or private, too far to reach by bicycle, and is generally no longer suitable for its intended purpose of housing and
decimation: " Jeffrey Sachs was an advisor to the IMF. He also claimed to be an advisor to the Russians. "
asciilifeform: decimation: the asset-stripping thing is only a secret from u.s. schoolchildren
decimation: did you see this article ascii? http://theden.tv/2014/04/08/russia-yesterday-america-tomorrow-notes-on-neoliberal-looting/
kakobrekla: in the Machine town.
decimation: honestly if the US wanted to go full-retard, the most profitable way to proceed would be to stop collecting any taxes and run the entire USG on printed money
TestingUnoDosTre: it's going to the moon!
asciilifeform: if everybody in a given field is on the dole, what does that suggest about the field?
asciilifeform: TestingUnoDosTre: quite a few folks in russia are pining for the (distant) possibility of proper sanctions. where usa takes its pernicious cultural, economic exports and goes home.
TestingUnoDosTre: Can totally see the War on Global Warming
TestingUnoDosTre: asciilifeform - this comment from zero hedge is great "It shouldn't have taken them this long to figure out sanctions against Russia wouldn't work in the first place. Next they will be passing sanctions against hurricanes and earthquakes, might as well go full retard at this point."
decimation: the problem is that the vast space-welfare complex can't be made to do anything without billions of $
decimation: the irony is that the US has plenty of rockets that are plenty reliable for human space flight
asciilifeform: catch them on re-entry with baseball glove.
asciilifeform: in other news...
ozbot: I sent a Freedom of Information Act Request to the FBI over a year ago. They just responded today. :
asciilifeform: decimation: the system is capped by the intelligence of the dumbest contributor. which would be, typically... 10,000 people? there's bound to be a turdmeister.
asciilifeform: for users of 'source' linux flavours, e.g. gentoo, the comical picture above is daily reality.
mircea_popescu: that's exactly what happened : some engineer made 1/0 shorthand for infinity trying to fit their code into the insect
mircea_popescu: ecided he wasn't going to tell anyone that this was an error, because he's a dick, and now all your snowflakes are urine and you can't even find the cat."
mircea_popescu: "You discover that one day, some idiot decided that since another idiot decided that 1/0 should equal infinity, they could just use that as a shorthand for "Infinity" when simplifying their code. Then a non-idiot rightly decided that this was idiotic, which is what the original idiot should have decided, but since he didn't, the non-idiot decided to be a dick and make this a failing error in his new compiler. Then he d
mircea_popescu: but with the countless neon moons distributed all over, this ceases to work
mircea_popescu: and so they fuck.
mircea_popescu: they're tuned to seek the moon in the dark, you see, because while they can't go that far, all of them seeking it ensures they meet
asciilifeform: thing is, for sufficiently narrow tunnel, anything makes sense. flying into a flame makes perfect sense to the insect.
asciilifeform: sorta like the occasional healthy fellow who ends up in a mental asylum
mircea_popescu: sometimes i entertain this vague notion where we're somehow all wrong and the nonsense somehow actually makes sense
TestingUnoDosTre: I'm going to go create a betting website, go advertise on bitbet, then create a bitbet that my site will last throughout the year, then bet on NO
decimation: at least they sold out to respectable beltway banditry
asciilifeform: he was a legitimate EE prof at MIT << profs. bolt, beranek, and newman quit to do... neat stuff. today, they leave to become spammers. 'that's where the money is.'
mircea_popescu: these people
decimation: yeah I agree "us -> india" is on the optimistic side
mircea_popescu: aww im sure he was there
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asciilifeform: in the east, there is at least a tradition of castes 'knowing their place' that they might potentially return to.
decimation: india is the future of us democracy
asciilifeform: they have a sort of scale model of u.s. idiocy going
decimation: by india or the us?
asciilifeform: booted out through 'affirmative action' style quotas for the bottom castes
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i bet you that if you asked indian teens today, the millionaire speaker ee guy is more interesting a worship idol than the physicist.
TestingUnoDosTre: until Dr. Dre came into the headphone space. Then idiots lost their money twice as fast
decimation: he was a legitimate EE prof at MIT, but apparently found it more profitable to separate idiots from their money
asciilifeform: if he didn't exist, 'we'd have to invent him' for the purpose of this line of thought.
decimation: ah okay I'm thinking Bose of the bose speaker empire
asciilifeform: Aram Bose << nope. the bose of bose-einstein condensate, etc
decimation: I'm sure being India there's a caste aspect to it too
decimation: there is a new bose, he just doesn't live in the east: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanu_Bose
decimation: sounds legit. Why not learn on the very machines of the old master? Better yet, fix it up
mircea_popescu: with the scribblings ?
asciilifeform: decimation: for some reason, this reminds me of a tale my consulting partner (physicist, grew up in india, 1970s) told me. students would qualify on instruments that barely worked, but belonged, to, e.g. the great Bose.
decimation: I think it would be great. Young engineers would occupy the greybeard's old shacks, and repeat his experiments
decimation: yeah the average usian moves every 7 years as i recall
mircea_popescu: it matches my lifestyle perfectly, i get to a new place, buy a set of the plastic shits
decimation: I was thinking about this the other day. Almost every technology advance has been used in the US to reduce quality and increase prices. Cell phones go from 25 kHz analog channel to 10 kbit/s "channel"
asciilifeform: plastic in the sense of a trash bag i once had the misfortune to keep some machines in - that fell into ten thousand pieces
asciilifeform: other nitpick - welfare cheques give us - plastic forks; vc money pissing bacchanalia gives us plastic programming systems, plastic internet, etc.
artifexd: unix-y d. As in the worker that does its work out of sight. Daemon.
mircea_popescu: and whence the d ?
artifexd: "craftsman" That was the motivation behind my choice of nick. To continually remind myself of the meaning behind the word and to aspire to have that word used to describe me.
asciilifeform: decimation: there is more than one way to fight
decimation: it seems to me that any core group ("old republicans?") who would stand and fight would easily be crushed by the existing US power holders
asciilifeform: pfff. cruft is the substance inside your keyboard.
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asciilifeform: i've some essayturds buried somewhere, on the death of craftsman.
mircea_popescu: the ill effects of moral hazard produced through giving idiots free money are far reaching.
asciilifeform: engineer would NOT think there are more important things in life << or, alternatively, stand up and fight to the death for la serenissima.
mircea_popescu: nor the student, if he had any sense.
mircea_popescu: of course, a large part of hte problem is that if the derps running around on welfare checks debasing the cultural impoirtance of money,
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: but there's certainly a kind of creature, that usa is famous for, that this piece is inescapably about. and the only common attribute of the group, to the unarmed eye, is 'poor.'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: Poor people are an animal species, not as useful as bovines... intimately connected to shit << tricky, this. penniless student, or engineer bled dry by usa housing, or any number of folks, aren't necessarily turdmeisters of the kind painted here
TestingUnoDosTre: oh my fuck, you're telling me I could have just bet both sides at the beginning and won?
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mike_c: 1 ATC block in the last 2.5 hours :(
mircea_popescu: TestingUnoDosTre didja read the stuff in the f.mpif category ? like http://trilema.com/2014/the-wunderbar-smpif/ ?
TestingUnoDosTre: I'm very confused to what MPIF actually is. Can someone explain? I have read the mpex page, but it has not enlightened me to what is exactly going on
decimation: asciilifeform: http://www.bulldogtrust.com/index12.htm more ham strange (I enjoyed your diodes) -- "A wrought iron table 60 feet from the antenna will pick up enough energy to make a visible arc to ground"
asciilifeform: how do you even find these turds.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo panacea's almost a year old, jd is almost two. these aren't histories, berkshire is like 50 years old.
mircea_popescu: yes, like 1mn and a little sold, and i have almost 1mn which is sitting in the book