asciilifeform: it's good for the environment - and ok fer you!
mircea_popescu: otherwise the general fucktarded populace may end up confused, cause they're simple signal processors.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform pretty much exactly. which is why a lot more "fuck the poor, they're less than dirt" needs to be stated explicitly.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they include 'for the good of the poor' in any official proclamation now. as in 'the good of the proletariat' and whatnot.
bounce: hah, double post. n'mind then.
mircea_popescu: <bitcoinpete> But if the neutralistas got their way, people in developing countries wouldnt have better Internet access; many of them would have nothing" << omfg who the shit cares about the poor, what sort of braindamaged argument is this.
asciilifeform: russian sets of that period came with hole punchers (similar to the ubiquitous hand-cranked office label printers)
mircea_popescu: <MarieLynn> Before that I was a tour guide across North America, I started at 18. And a nanny too :) << now how do you figure that being a tour guide and a nanny transitions to providing leadership services for the world's most important project ?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if you study the other exhibits on that site, you will learn that even 1950s soviet 'spy radio' designers understood that one must send very rare messages, in the shortest possible bursts
mircea_popescu: i noticed that is how you must write everything about these things
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: yes - them.
mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete> http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/02/opinion/egan-sports-the-most-progressive-force-in-america.html <<< lmao they say that as if it were somehow a good thing. lulzy shit.
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mircea_popescu: <mike_c> must be missing something.. << or you've just been touched by the gods for once.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you imagine this situation of perfect loyalty and imperfect communications << point! the buggers are spotty even at using rsa. how do you say 'funkspiel' in english?
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla the article says x is worse than y. thus it's about x, not y.
jborkl: you cant tell me they really referenced BTCjam on credit ratings?
mircea_popescu: that's why it's cheap and effectual : we don't seduce women, we just deign to notice the ones that've seduced themselves already.
mircea_popescu: but the transition happens in its own time for its own reasons, you see.
mircea_popescu: such a thing is nonsensical, much like any scenario breaing thermodynamicsa.
bounce: what'd be the most widely available stuff that does ssb? I'd expect 27mc. which, since there's lots of crap going on there anyway, wouldn't be a bad band to use
asciilifeform: lol - that's step 2 of the game.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how do these "king's men" communicate ?
mircea_popescu: them.
mircea_popescu: is substantial political risk with this investment. We, as investors, do not know how the Cypriot government will act toward a new financial institution like this. This is especially true given the political turmoil occuring in Ukraine and the Crimea region."
mircea_popescu: "The Bitcoin Emerging Market Fund (BBBB) initiated a position in the Neo & Bee Payment Network (Havelock: NEOBEE) on 03/07 buying 18 shares. The fund will continue to increase this position in the near term. I love the tangibility of NEOBEEs assets. They have brick and mortar branches and will be providing vital financial services to an area that has traditionally been under-banked. I must note, however, there
asciilifeform: joecool: HV lines to link to other towns << works, until the king's men 'helpfully' install filters
ozbot: These fucktards have to be immortalised, they’re worse than Dr. Foreskin even pe Trilema - Un blog
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/these-fucktards-have-to-be-immortalised-theyre-worse-than-dr-foreskin-even/
joecool: (in theory)
ozbot: Q15X25 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
asciilifeform: some of these have popped up on surplus market.
asciilifeform: it would be interesting to study the design of 'Gladio' radio sets - made for stay-behind partizans in nato europe
asciilifeform: bounce: original design was to resist nukes, rather than a million squads of dutiful monkeys in vans
bounce: the goal isn't to cook up an invulnerable system. the goal is to cook up a resilient system. ten different systems working together would be even better.
bounce thinks the discussion is not constructive. anybody recall why the internet is structured like it is? because it can withstand damage and route around it.
bounce: once "TSHTF" enforcement agencies will become haphazard in their actions, so nicely spread out stashes would help a lot
mircea_popescu: the jury's still out on the topic of whether they can win 2014. the jury however is not out on whether they can win 1994.
mircea_popescu: should a government - any government - take things back to that level, it'd be to their detriment, not to mine.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you are mistaken in the following sense : i ruled, undisturbed, undisturbable, before the internet was invented.
bounce: it's a proven design. now move the radio to some neverland(, and see which military outfit shows up)
mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> yeah, well the stigma did not create itself << stigma means, of course, a stain.
asciilifeform: i dare to invoke the 'parachute theorem,' and say that the time to build comm infrastructure out of the real (or imagined) control of the crown is now, and not when it becomes a dire necessity.
asciilifeform: the point i wanted to make was that anything other than a very broad, military-style spread spectrum setup, with hop keys exchanged in person, is simply a beacon for the gasenwagen.
bounce: the thing there is that you need ready access to hardware, or at least schematics simple enough for the hobbyist to cobble together.
bounce: well, then forget about the licence and go entirely pirate with a spread-spectrum frequency-hopping whatever construct.
artifexd: ThickAsThieves: Had it been done at the beginning 1mn satoshis to the bitcoin would have made more sense. That would have made 2.1 billion bitcoin in total and maybe that number would have made people register that 21 million was not an arbitrary number and making coins with more is just a fucking headache.
asciilifeform: so they eagerly rat out violators.
asciilifeform: in usa at least, 'hams' know that they live at the pleasure of the crown, various folks are always hungry for their spectrum pie
bounce: one option might be to get a boating radio licence. they're already throwing packet over those frequencies for email-to-boat
bounce: there's some interesting digital modulations about. if I ever get around to a HAM licence I'd probably still dump crypted data on the wire along with a readable call sign
asciilifeform: bounce: resurrecting fido << see the point earlier about the destroyed 'bell' copper in usa
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: True. Picking the radio bands over US style distances presents challenges though.
joecool: fluffypony: well could adopt the tonal system and TBC like Luke-Jr wanted :P
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: the adoption argument is that it seems "more like a currency" because we're used to 2 decimal places, and most account software can't work with more than 2 anyway
asciilifeform: hard to think of how else the crown could distinguish between legit and thieving metal recyclers.
joecool: the municipalities though would sell scrap licenses for these discarded items and arrest anyone who picked it up without a permit
asciilifeform: sorta like how, in old scotland, they had a contraption very similar to the later guillotine - 'scottish gibbet' - where a cattle or horse thief would find the animal he stole attached to a rope, which pulls out the peg, blade falls.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: optical line-of-sight would work well in places other than usa - ones where people still live in cities
asciilifeform: but see mp's story of the last emperor.
asciilifeform: in a functioning empire, the penalty would be - sizzling in the electric chair. right there, in the bed of a specially-built police truck.
pankkake: and some don't even know how to spot copper and cut the fiber
BingoBoingo: Yeah. Optic net is also a possibility. Fiber without the fiber.
joecool: pankkake: you're thinking georgians, they'll cut into anything remotely resembling a wire, source: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/apr/06/georgian-woman-cuts-web-access
asciilifeform: folks who like to eat shit - can eat it. others will continue to eat food.
ThickAsThieves: how do they not see that an arbitrary change will only cause confusion and likely fail at being adopted
asciilifeform: the correct way to do 'pirate radio' net is - frequency hopping 'spread spectrum.' meet the other local node people in person, to agree on a key.
asciilifeform: plenty of quiet spectrum, there for the taking, esp. if one only needs a few km of range.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: Shame encryption on Amateur radio frequencies is a crime << eventually, u.s. folks who want genuine net will need to commit this - or some other - crime.
BingoBoingo: All of the good technologies come with expiration dates.
asciilifeform: eventually, the one or two remaining copper subscribers will complain. and perhaps it will be re-filled. or not.
asciilifeform: the one on my street emptied out a few years ago
asciilifeform: my understanding is that these, at least where i live, and in a number of other places, have given out - and never replaced
asciilifeform: in a traditional telco plant, there are giant air dryers, blowing into ducts, to keep positive pressure
pankkake: and keeping the romanians from stealing it
asciilifeform: copper is expensive - not merely the metal, but maintenance - keeping water out of the cable ducts, etc. the telcos would hurry to be rid of it even the removal did not speed the arrival of arsenet.
asciilifeform: for example - moving into new house, i discovered a dangling stub where the old 'bell atlantic' copper ought to be.
pankkake: another one?!
asciilifeform: by the fiber folks
asciilifeform: over here, many houses had their land line copper (illegally) torn out
asciilifeform: it won't be as easy as the first time, though
asciilifeform: and wonders like fidonet will return from the grave.
asciilifeform: paradoxically, a return of the era when you must beg/borrow/steal genuine net access from employers, universities - could actually end 'eternal september.'
BingoBoingo: If the choice were between arsenet and Dial-up, I'd probably choose dial up
asciilifeform: arsenet is coming, because the average luser doesn't really insist on being able to open an arbitrary tcp connection from wherever to wherever
asciilifeform: living in usa, i admit i'm rather surprised that it is 2014 and i'm not yet forced to pay $500/mo to get something other than ArsebookNet
asciilifeform: the way i understand it, aol, compuserve, et al. died a very deserved market death
asciilifeform: amazon's 3g gadgets access the standard net, for no extra cost
asciilifeform: after the fud-artists are done
bitcoinpete: "Net neutrality, in other words, would not only keep the poorest offline, it would keep investment in poor-country telecom infrastructure down for longer."
bitcoinpete: "You may think that walled-garden access to Facebook or Google is inferior to neutral Internet access—and you’d be right. But if the neutralistas got their way, people in developing countries wouldn’t have better Internet access; many of them would have nothing"
pankkake: MarieLynn: you really do ALL THE THINGS!!
MarieLynn: But I was in all the committees at college, no time for class.
MarieLynn: I do everything in Web. I have held all the jobs!
asciilifeform: there are also useful things that one can pick up, like the art of working with your head for a week straight without sleep.
asciilifeform: can't speak for others
pankkake: is there anything to learn in college anyway? :)
asciilifeform: their existence in at least one is a proven fact
asciilifeform: MarieLynn: no time to study << at american unis, there are special fake classes for athletes. with no attendance checks, homework, or exams...
MarieLynn: I am really glad unpaid athletes are getting national attention for their cause. They get tuition but no time to study... dumb...
bitcoinpete: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/02/opinion/egan-sports-the-most-progressive-force-in-america.html
bitcoinpete: "Consider how the Catholic Church might have mitigated some of the deep pain caused by its abusive priests had it acted with the kind of boldness shown by N.B.A. Commissioner Adam Silver. Instead, it chose cover-ups, denial and blame shifting — the usual default modes for institutions trying to protect themselves." << default of institutions that last
pankkake: it's never working the first time. you just haven't found where it goes wrong
mike_c: hmm.. it's always scary when you build something semi-complicated and it just works the first time.
ozbot: Poor and Stupid - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
kakobrekla: isnt nascar like the idiot central
kakobrekla: well MarieLynn get them to write spec
MarieLynn: Difference is people will come to me without effort for fiat jobs but I have to wheel and deal like crazy for bitcoins with 22 year olds... it's not the same market.
pankkake: perhaps getting a good paying fiat job should be your immediate priority then
MarieLynn: I need the money dude I mistakenly thought that going into bitcoin would get me bitcoins... like more than 1 LOL
MarieLynn: For me it's hard to know, there is always a fricking bitcoin dip right after I get paid!!
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kakobrekla: the story of golden turd
MarieLynn: Kinda goes with the story..
MarieLynn: well, yes, technically, these birds have only one hole so they are either turds or eggs LOL
mike_c: pankkake: i know. the thought process of whoever wrote those.. it's painful to think about.
kakobrekla: yeah, well the stigma did not create itself
ThickAsThieves: is there poster for that?
ThickAsThieves: is there an iority for meta?
mircea_popescu: but I try to make my statements harder to contradict while keeping them absurd enough
mircea_popescu: pussies have a big heart because all the cocks coming in and out enlarge it in the end.
MarieLynn: Mircea, thanks for the Tweet. I used to buy a lot of art from Romania, I kept the cute export papers in French :)
kakobrekla: i was accused of same, then told pussies have a big heart. so go with that.
pankkake: I try to make my statements harder to contradict while keeping them provocative enough
MarieLynn: Mircea I've been succeeding at failing rather LOL :)
mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> pankkake most = any << defo. there's what, like a dozen girls here.
mircea_popescu: <pankkake> if the second ones get something out of the company, even at the expense of the firsts, I'd be happy << need a company first.
kakobrekla: prolly same goes for mps conf, but that is saved cause of the low attendance count overall :D
pankkake: Missouri Securities Division sending the issuer a letter. not much more is known
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pankkake: and by expense I mean that when the first ones sue, there will be nothing left, not that they would have gotten anything by playing nice
pankkake: if the second ones get something out of the company, even at the expense of the firsts, I'd be happy
pankkake: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=462370.2720 is getting interesting. there are still some strongly delusional people, but some others are actually considering doing SOMETHING (next page)
MarieLynn: Wouldn't that put you above the average alt coin developer Fluffy? :)
ThickAsThieves: 1 altcoin is already stretching the attention span
MarieLynn: Do any of you want to co-found a 100% new coin concept? It's going to be super fun. Right now we need a crypto-educated developer (wallets) but the rest we have already written.
MarieLynn: I am sure there are applications for our concept coin but so far it's just a surrealist coin R&D experiment.
pankkake: Bernankoin. they didn't touch it for good reason, it simply cannot have a non-decreasing value
MarieLynn: Well... There are useful alt coins or coins that have a very specific niche, I believe in those but the coingen copy paste alt coins is like vomit
MarieLynn: TaT, I will add it to my database. There are almost 700 coins in my friggin database.
ThickAsThieves: www.therealaltcoin.org
pankkake: no, Altcoin, the altcoin
ThickAsThieves: www.therealaltocin.org
MarieLynn: I invented SEO too, just so we are on the same page LOL
MarieLynn: I used to compose/compile the facebook by hand and send it through snail mail
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mircea_popescu: well ok, off to show the girls caligula. laters.
pankkake: MarieLynn: you have to decrypt the OTP link it gave you earlier. http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/59748D208DD69C90
mircea_popescu: drops the s ?
mircea_popescu: it's a bot, it reads the title.
mircea_popescu: "you love exploring the world but you got no money. what do you do ?"
MarieLynn: These are entries from my project files :) I just imported those they are not yet correctly formatted.
fluffypony breathes a sight of relief
MarieLynn: Well awesome for her. When I was 20 I had to compase the facebook and photocopy it and send it through the regular mail :)
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kakobrekla: fluffypony you got me there.
mircea_popescu: MarieLynn there's a chick here, by that name. she's in her 20s, tries to run online communities and also likes cats.
fluffypony: "Mr. Karpelès purchased a $35,000 Backen pastry oven and a $23,000 La Marzocco coffee machine, say the people involved in the project. He also hired an independent pastry consultant and put a Tibanne employee full-time on the café project."
MarieLynn: alrighty then :)
MarieLynn: So are you guys here all the time? 24/7
mircea_popescu: gpg --list-keys --fingerprint does the samer thing
pankkake: MarieLynn: gpg -k --keyid-format=long (if you use the CLI)
MarieLynn: I want to join the WOT but I cannot find my long form id, it's in the friggin UBUNTU key server.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: so when are we renaming the room #bitcoin-ásséts ?
gribble: Error: '8DD69C90' is not a valid GPG key id. Please use the long form 16 digit key id.
bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: maybe disney can make your movie happen: http://www.theonion.com/articles/disney-ceo-figures-theyve-built-up-enough-goodwill,35874/
mircea_popescu: you probably want to brew a gallon of coffees and go through the logs. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com
fluffypony: so your GPG private key, the essence of securing your identity with GPG, is protected behind a mere username and password
fluffypony: pankkake: "If not found then popup dialog asking for username/password & download GPG private key"
pankkake: "I'm thinking the program would upload the GPG private key in case you ever lost it" that? lol
MarieLynn: I am 43, I have been developing for the Web since 1994
mircea_popescu: MarieLynn ok, so transparent about your life for 24 years ? gimme the highligts, how old are you, what do you do ?
bitcoinpete: "Believing Mt. Gox’s troubles were manageable, Mr. Karpelès devoted much of his time to the bitcoin café"
bitcoinpete: "According to people at the exchange, the 28-year-old Frenchman was slow to grasp Mt. Gox’s troubles. As recently as early February, he didn’t imagine most of the virtual currency possessed by Mt. Gox and its customers were gone, they say."
fluffypony: Freenode in #bitcoin-otc (which also uses the WoT mentioned earlier) or on localbitcoins (you can arrange to meet people face-to-face, and lower your risk by not sending anything till you have cash-in-hand)
fluffypony: MarieLynn: so since I live in South Africa I've also struggled with that - we only had 1 exchange (now 2) and their volumes are terrible. I can cash out from BitStamp to my bank account, but it is irritating. Two solutions I've found: 1. If it's bigger than $1k use BitPay. Sign up, get verified, and then invoice yourself when you need money paid out to your Ca bank account. 2. For smaller amounts, use person-to-person trading either on
MarieLynn: Thanks for the keywords bitcoinpete
MarieLynn: Thanks for the CAVirtex thread I will rad carefully. But what are the issues other than ID verification woes?!
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fluffypony: I'm too busy learning German so I can gossip with my mother-in-law about my wife ;)
bitcoinpete: pankkake: yup, they generally blow dead bears
pankkake: the wot allows us to to useful things like:
bitcoinpete: MarieLynn: and register your nick http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/03/31/biting-into-the-wot-elephant-and-irc-nicknames/
pankkake: it's cheaper than the bitcoin foundation membership (free) and is actually useful :p
MarieLynn: I am following the links ;)
bitcoinpete: MarieLynn: you should get in the wot http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/03/27/who-what-where-when-why-web-of-trust/
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MarieLynn: I currently work for Charlie Shrem but we are done with the urgent stuff. I want to continue doing what I do but for cool bitcoin startup.
MarieLynn: I have been transparent about my life on the Internet for almost 24 years
pankkake: (of the blog)
pankkake: http://marie-lynn.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/do-all-the-things.jpg I think this is a good summary lol
fluffypony: which is the case for mostly everyone here, I would imagine
bitcoinpete: fluffypony: the poverty of altruism
bitcoinpete: pankkake: ya, her situation sounds crummy. i invited her here so maybe she can do something in the future
fluffypony: why would she pay for memberships to the foundation?
bitcoinpete: " So far my experience of Bitcoin has been rather sad. I received my first Bitcoin paycheck a few months ago and promptly lost 30% of it due to the dip. I was then almost unable to extract it from Vault of Satoshi because they stopped sending out checks. I was able to pay for my membership to Bitcoin Alliance and Bitcoin Foundation at least. "
bitcoinpete: "For a few months, I have been developing business relationships with people in Bitcoin. As with any of the communities I have joined and thrived in the past 25 years, I am paying my dues in Bitcoin by doing some volounteer work."
mircea_popescu: fluffypony no, i meant as a kid. they do this "o write a business plan" many places.
bitcoinpete: "Montanans, Hawaiians, and Mainers are least likely to say they'd want to leave, with fewer than one-quarter of those residents saying they'd move"
ozbot: Half of people living in Illinois and Connecticut want to get the hell out - Vox
fluffypony: caption: "rioters trying to convince the police to install vlc media player"
ThickAsThieves: I kicked him off the project shortly after, and we nearly came to blows as roommates not long after that. I never got past writing the plan, thankfully.
ThickAsThieves: haha, cleaning old stuff and found a business plan i did to open a record store, i was pretty young obv: "XXXX XXXX will help me with of retail store's responsibilities. He is an extremely trusted friend and works very well with people. I whole-heartedly feel he is my best and favorite choice for the position."
ThickAsThieves: for the kale
ThickAsThieves: for the loss
gribble: cedivad was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 weeks, 5 days, 2 hours, 43 minutes, and 33 seconds ago: <cedivad> i actually have one, but i never really wrote about hashfast, bitcointa.lk or any other of my web-related experiences (i manage some really huge websites)...
Apocalyptic: <artifexd> Bloomberg is using Kraken as the source? WTF? << same reaction here
mircea_popescu: artifexd you obviously don't have the "valuable skills" to understand these things :D
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell cevidad yo! there's some brokage in your forum. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-05-2014#655592