fluffypony: The latest @TheCryptoRush: Dropped php/mysql in favor of node.js/mongodb. Want it faster? Help code: freenode #cryptorush (2/2) #crypto #btc
BingoBoingo: Or support p2p decentralized everythings because if these things are good in some applications, they must be good in all applications, right.
BingoBoingo: This is the same sort of derp think that gets us people who do stuff like support the bitcoin foundation because it sounds right.
bounce: IIRC the criterion was like five glasses a week. though it went upward if you're a student, upward again if you're a medical or technical student, and upward again for certain cities with skewed (as in, mostly male) student population
BingoBoingo: No, the line for alcoholism is that stopping drinking impares your ability to continue living
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: Thank you for the vote of confidence
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: Flashlights. It's storm season and I learned all of the ones I have around are aging and their bulbs suck
BingoBoingo: Be a shame if he had to with them twice
BingoBoingo: I really hope csshih's employees don't fuck up getting the package out today.
Naphex: bb, heading towards the office
fluffypony: BingoBoingo:http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/05/05/a-pragmatic-test-for-alcoholism/ <- too true
BingoBoingo: Naphex: Did you know there is a clean pathway between Isk and BTC?
BingoBoingo: That reaction is the same reason I didn't check for you
BingoBoingo: artifexd: Not that I know of you can check the forums. His nick is r3wt
BingoBoingo: The volume and trade frequency were higher than x-bt's usually is now.
BingoBoingo: artifexd: No, on Openex it traded up to the 700's
BingoBoingo: The worst privacy case for an individual though is one one address and only that address forever and ever, amen
BingoBoingo: artifexd: Well the thing is best practices for users involve a degree of esoterism
artifexd: I certainly believe that reusing addresses has a time and a place. I'm just trying to wrap my head around the idea that it increases anonymity.
artifexd: I can also just assert that the address isn't mine. Period. The first time I came into possession of the coins was when they arrived at the address I claimed.
BingoBoingo: Among other things.
artifexd: As in: Send me money. I'll send it to you later. But I may send the next guys money before I send yours. I may also send you a different amount than you sent me.
BingoBoingo: artifexd: The reusing addresses thing?
decimation: My first thought is to rue those insights that would have been lost because some peasant wasn't in the right WoT. Then I remember the concern most nobles demonstrated by searching for talent within their own fields.
mircea_popescu: as we'd be the only ones able to read and write anyway
decimation: mircea_popescu: i'm not even reactionary, myself, i've not gotten so far. some visiting french politics professor called me "white" << Sometimes I wonder what the world would be like today if Marx had perished while affixed to the wall of some landgrave's dungeon.
mircea_popescu: jurov ^ there, speshal for you.
ozbot: Why exactly reusing Bitcoin addresses strengthens Bitcoin user anonimity pe Trilema - Un blog de Mir
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/why-exactly-reusing-bitcoin-addresses-strengthens-bitcoin-user-anonimity/
mod6: ok, i ripped that part out. will be less confusing without that in there.
mircea_popescu: Duffer1 lulzy, all the ifs i nthat thread.
mircea_popescu: "Guest95361: I can say with 100% certainty that they have them" lmao do these fuckwits even comprehend how this bitcoin thing works ?
BingoBoingo: Mainstream us healthcare is the suck
BingoBoingo: I remember the good old days of the student health clinic where the meeting with the doctor was merely a formality.
mircea_popescu: The worst part is the prescribe the exact same thing I would have prescribed myself if I could just go to the pharmacy with a shopping list like an actual human being at a store << this is how i shop for medicine.
mircea_popescu: Naphex: and its unlikely for ssh to have /etc/shadow in memory << maybe in some weird case it could have it in child memory, which is the claim.
mircea_popescu: " In the last few months, Mt.Gox collapsed, bitcoin has lost half of its value. "
mircea_popescu: in the words of this romanian rap band, "Am vazut cu ochii mei tovarasi cum se duc de rapa... bagat in vena, ma bucur ca am fost pe scena. Rand pe rand scandaluri, multi din ei s-au dus..."
mircea_popescu: "others have done well" is always a poor argument.
mircea_popescu: back then we were wtfing at "which would put S.MPOE somewhere around 8 million dollars, which would be excessive."
asciilifeform: much of the american financial apparatus is designed to paper over this fact
mircea_popescu: just, the dollar lost 90% of its value over 2 months
asciilifeform: despite the fact that a great many people technically are.
asciilifeform: much as no one is excited to see themselves as a zimbabwe dollar billionaire
mircea_popescu: i guess sure, if btc ends up 1 mn dollarts then mpex will be worth w/e, many trillions
mircea_popescu: i don't think your typical mpex holder has any interest in the bitcoin price of tyhe various fiats.
mircea_popescu: not that i didn;'t say roughly the same about 100s of millions a year ago, but still.
mircea_popescu: mike_c "and a company that will probably be worth billions this time next year." well look, i like myself just as much as the next guy, but srsly, billions ? seems improbable.
asciilifeform: much like a high vacuum system, familiar to physics students, tends to start with a mechanical pump, then turns on ion-diffusion or other high vacuum source.
mircea_popescu: bounce: can someone please put the usg out of our misery? << oooonly yoooouuuu
mircea_popescu: "Here at Rockwell Automation's world headquarters, research has been proceeding to develop a line of automation products that establishes new standards for quality, technological leadership, and operating excellence. With customer success as our primary focus, work has been proceeding on the crudely conceived idea of an instrument that would not only provide inverse reactive current for use in unilateral phase detracto
mircea_popescu: they also did electronics.
asciilifeform: ''Let's see, I'm wealthy and respected. What's missing? 'I know!' he shouts, slapping his forehead so hard he loses consciousness, 'I'll launch A Ponzi scheme. That way every day will tingle with the excitement of wondering whether my world will collapse in ruins and I'll be dragged off to prison while simultaneously being reviled by the whole world.''
asciilifeform: (from the infamous prof. dutch)
mircea_popescu: "The Forex Exchange market has become an up and coming method of financial trading. As an innovator and initiator in the online foreign exchange business, Rockwell Partners S.A. is a mover and a shaker and on the forefront of the online trading market."
asciilifeform: (phunphact. first tv ad i ever saw was for the mmm parent company)
mircea_popescu: dude the fucking crown. this reminds me of the golden age of Bs, where all the shitty studios had names like MONARCH
mircea_popescu: mike_c: (i'm secretly hoping i'm not the worst in the channel at languages) << he's just speaking a secret italian nobody else knows about.
asciilifeform: did the crapartist have no awareness of what serious 0days typically go for?
mircea_popescu: pankkake: I guess that's the value of drama << asciilifeform check this out. the derpy openssh vulnerability ppl wanted 20 btc. the neobeeq drama was 80 btc.
asciilifeform: anyone who is concerned about a hypothetical openssh apocalypse should consider 'port knocking.'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah, in the end, interesting case study in nonsense. it's piled up quite exquisitely high.
asciilifeform: it is quite impossible to sell a vuln this way. other than to suckers, of course.
mircea_popescu: at least they had the decency to sort the coins in the relative order of probability of someone falling for it.
asciilifeform: let's imagine it were worded differently. the fundamental problem of proof still applies.
mircea_popescu: tries to sell it as if it were, irrelevant what wordage they use.
mircea_popescu: but it WOULDN'T be woirthless today, which means, the proposed situation is unfactual.
mircea_popescu: so practically, you'll catch the 100th team or so.
mircea_popescu: the average time for you to catch a 2nd team using your exploit would be, a decade to a century. and this only if they're clueless enough to go after random boxes.
mircea_popescu: suppose you run 1k boxes as honeypots distributed all over the web.
asciilifeform: there is no way for a buyer to determine that product is genuine prior to payment
asciilifeform: because of 'lemon problem' (perhaps not the right term of art, but i can't think of the right one)
mircea_popescu: "(Yes, we build honeypots rules for our exploits)" this seems weak. imagine the odds someone using it actually fell on a honeypot they ran.
mircea_popescu: Mircea Popescu @Mircea_Popescu @acav Being privileged is being the good guy. If the other guy weren't a lazy fuckwit, he'd be privileged too.
mircea_popescu: Alexandra Cavoulacos @acav Read this: "Acknowledging privilege is hard [...] It's easier to feel the victim than it is to feel like the bad guy."http://groupthink.jezebel.com/blabla
mircea_popescu: it occurs to me the twitter superlative is "this left me speechless". sorta like bad kids threatening the world with going upstairs and cleanning out their room,
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: small summary: http://cryptome.org/nsa-tempest.htm << dja figure they'll be buing some cardanos ? :D
mircea_popescu: much like scammers, which is what they are, the proponents of large welfarist government will simply have to keep trying to come back forevar.
mircea_popescu: not like they'll just give up, roll over and die.
mircea_popescu: davout: it's just in the continuation of debt money, it's not really a competitor to bitcoin in any way << logically, as the statists keep getting beaten out of things, they'll regroup around similar-looking, similar-sounding, different things. again and again and again.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Usually when they find that microbe they don't find it in the throat, but in the cerebrospinal fluid
BingoBoingo: mod6: Maybe. They already have a useful version of that. I'm more refering to their having a working LibreSSL package, their fork from OpenSSL
mod6: maybe it was you who posted the /. article lol
mod6: ahh, yeah, heard they were making SSH stand-alone from SSL/TLS
BingoBoingo: mod6: That's when 5.6 comes out with their redone SSL libraries and stuff.
BingoBoingo: I wonder how many of these little things, perfectly amusing in an IRC bot, occured in the goxfail and how many lurk in bitcoind 0.9
mod6: it was time-warp time before because GMT went to 00:00 and the last block was in 22:00, forgot to solve for the 24hour roll-over case.
BingoBoingo: benkay: Yeah, but the brake generally is the thing you more urgently need, and that usually still has a mechanical rather than electronic link
benkay: i mean the engine is computer controlled i assume, implying e-gas.
BingoBoingo: The gas pedal is almost always fly by wire now, but not so with the brake and steering.
BingoBoingo: Well, there aren't all to many cars that are completely "fly by wire"
ozbot: Did the Ignition Key Just Die? - Slashdot
csshih: BingoBoingo, it's in outbound.. for some reason my employees didn't unlock the door so usps didn't pick up the package
bitcoinpete: to be continued, gents. thx for the… inputs
jurov: that's easy to do but you must consider the keys compromised
artifexd: Note that I'm not saying this is a smart service to use, but its existence is theoretically possible.
artifexd: Imagine a web service where you send it some txids and the necessary private keys along with a destination address. This service, when it gets a few requests, combines all the inputs and sends them to the outputs.
artifexd: Maybe you and I get together and combine our funds to pay a common bill.
jurov: artifexd: to create the final "spent" tx you need to know both privkeys
artifexd: jurov I disagree with your comment that there is no substantial difference between the two examples you provided. In the first case, there is no certainty whatsoever that the same entity controls the two different utxos. In the second case, it is certain that the same person controls both.
jurov: every output is an input to another transaction and has unique ID
jurov: look onto it this way: forget addresses, they're just a convenience for humans and are not strictly needed in the blockchain
jurov: to spend it, you then have to create tx with million inputs
jurov: and analyze the resulting tx
jurov: gets sloshed together in a reused address <<FALSE
ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
bitcoinpete: dignork: the rounder, more even number is usually a bit of a giveaway
dignork: bitcoinpete: but then if vendor only uses one addess it's easily discoverable
dignork: bitcoinpete: in case of "change address" there is a slight advantage: observer does not really knows which one of the destination addresses is change, and which is vendor
bitcoinpete: since everything gets sloshed together in a reused address, the taint is less clearcut, as i understand it
Duffer1: how many times can i spell excercize incorrectly in the same sentence
Duffer1: seems like an excercise in discovering how many laws he's breaking in different parts of the world would be an ammusing excercize
jurov: Part 5: Exercise with signing offline wallet, in which Ivan does not understand why the funds were moved right after the signing
jurov: Part 4: In which the requirement to be incorporate and fill 1" thick questionnaire with corporate details comes to light
jurov: Part 3: In which we seek anyone other than
jurov: Part 1: In which Ivan from Havelock explains they are a platform for funding development of new projects exclusively
jurov: hehe they did not give me succinct summary like dotcoin did
BingoBoingo: jurov: You just laid out a way to publish the stuff. Each month gets a post, one post per week.
jurov: it's quite much, stretching for months, we're busy with other stuff
Duffer1: i think i just sprained an eyeball rolling them so hard
BingoBoingo: If there's one thing I've learned from this recent medical chaos it is that I am not an alcoholic
jurov: Guest95361 someday we'll maybe release our logs from coinroll listing negotiations...and there will be lulz
BingoBoingo: Guest95361: Didn't seem so hard for Mussolini or the Kims of Korea
Guest95361: It is rather hard to be an entire nation
Guest95361: Crap, you just narrowed it down to 90% of the UK
jurov: IP from the UK.. are you Nefario?
BingoBoingo: benkay: Said they know something about havelock, Doesn't seem to be offering anything new.
BingoBoingo: benkay: They are some anon who Pm'd me for !up
Naphex: maybe they are terrible plans ;/
jurov: it isn't even clearly known *they* do exist
Guest95361: They seem to be very private people, however it certainly does exist
BingoBoingo: I mean mircea_popescu offers insight into his Shit Hits the Fan contingency plan publicly.
Guest95361: Obviously their "shit hits the fan" plans are not something anyone can really prove to you
Guest95361: I would rather not say, thats really all the input I can give however they are licensed to accept public investment, and are breaking no laws in their jurisdiction
Guest95361: Yeah, Havelock is going to do fine. They are not breaking any laws at all and I can confirm that much
BingoBoingo: jurov: Amazing how common these "rare" microbes are
ozbot: Regarding brain wallets, why not store salts on the blockchain to prevent attacks? : Bitcoin
bitcoinpete: ha! havelock's first tweet since nov 1, 2013 is a pic of a fight they're sponsoring in panama
BingoBoingo: Someone abuses it an OD's their fault because they passed the test and should have known better.
BingoBoingo: What they need is an equivalent of Ham radio testing. Pass the exam, you can do your own damn primary care.
Namworld: Yeah, but they can't just let anyone order whatever. They can't make the difference between a junky, a hypochondriac and someone with a clue. Plus lawsuits and all that.
artifexd: You're probably considerably better educated about pharmaceuticals than Joe Sixpack. He would end up killing himself or depleting the world wide oxycodone supply.
BingoBoingo: The worst part is the prescribe the exact same thing I would have prescribed myself if I could just go to the pharmacy with a shopping list like an actual human being at a store
BingoBoingo: Fucking America Healthcare. See three other doctors/doctor extenders before primary care doctor starts treating the thing you wanted treated in the first place
mod6: thestringpuller: haha, lightin me up huh
dub: BingoBoingo: they nailed it
mike_c: for such an active trader, it feels like an important piece of information to give away. but the alternative is to basically say nothing each month except BTC + (atc converted to btc). so i don't know what you can do about that.
BingoBoingo: http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2014/05/05/north_korea_s_news_agency_writes_news_analysis_of_american_life.html
mike_c: BingoBoingo: i looked over your atc reports, but i didn't have much trade history to try and correlate them with. the biggest "leak" seems to me that you are reporting each month whether you are long or short ATC.
mod6: there you go BingoBoingo
Namworld: They noticed the car didn't move all winter, they want to know who's car it is and buy it.
Namworld: Maybe I should add whois privacy, maybe not. But it's weird getting phone calls from strangers who managed to find out what's the phone number for your address. Whois is the only result on google for my address with the phone number attached.
Naphex: sure, i have been using them for lots of years now. very satisfied
mike_c: i believe they have the capacity, but that's not all that counts during ddos. just curious what they were like under fire. let me know if you ever find out ;)
davout: or maybe just stay the fuck away from trouble
asciilifeform: the popular notion that usa has the objective of re-establishing the old ua gov. is, imho, mistaken
asciilifeform: that at least some of the corpses belonged to folks who were machine-gunned or beaten to death outside, then dragged in for the burning
asciilifeform: yeah that's the russian version
davout: that's not really the impression i get from this -> "Юноша и девушка. Они не сгорели и не задохнулись - нет признаков открытого огня на паркете (ему лет 50 и он должен был вспыхнуть как солома) и копоти от дыма на стенах. Их убили другим способом. Скорее всего обоим
asciilifeform: the only thing there seems to be a kind of general agreement about is that the folks inside were fleeing from raging mob, and barricaded themselves in
davout: asciilifeform: i google translated the whole thing bit by bit, fucking scary
davout: there seems to be in a pair of pictures, the implication that one of the dead dudes was also present at some protest
davout: asciilifeform: interesting pics, what's the point of the article? what are all the circled things about?
bounce: huh, serious optimism waiting at the bus in ankle deep ice water. here the busses'll stop going at a few cm snow
bounce: geez wtf pix. what's going on there?
fluffypony: I would float a mini-titanic around them
fluffypony: Naphex: Bucharest got these cool mini-icebergs
fluffypony: Naphex: I hear you've been having fun weather that side of the planet: http://imgur.com/a/ZYFTi
fluffypony: bounce: this is what the US government is like - http://i.imgur.com/y6CG4zP.jpg - "shhhhhh...it'll all be over soon...."
asciilifeform: their idea, not mine.
Naphex: but i use a protobuf-like protocol in binary for the server backend
asciilifeform: from the loltron:
Naphex: yeah, i was evaluating other protocols and did a fix impl for tests.
Naphex: and work is focused on other stuff
kakobrekla: are they on fix at all?
kakobrekla: are they on fix only?
Naphex: their website seems off with 404's, but you get an account manager, so no shitty web support and services
davout: kakobrekla: i have a FIX interface in one the pans that's currently cooking
fluffypony: for $5 a month I get an SSL cert and can use a snake-oil self-signed on the server
Naphex: mike_c: i use a industrial dc, usually services high end clients that have their own admins and servers
mike_c: that sounds like a rosy assessment of DC's. where the hell do you host?
fluffypony: "5 days before this article was written Cloudflare started offering Full (Strict) SSL, where traffic between Cloudflare and the origin server is encrypted AND the origin server’s cert is validated."
Naphex: together with great ddos protection and quality support, for an easy time
mike_c: (if you ask them to)
mike_c: davout: same thing for aws. their load balancer sits in front of your servers and handles SSL termination for you
Naphex: varnish doesn't support ssl, so i'd bet that they will PT through regular http pretty often
Naphex: and they get to read all your trafic, fun
ozbot: The CloudFlare MITM | Paymium
davout: Naphex: not that having the password transit in clear was really necessary to get pwned by the cloudflare heresy anyway
davout: i really can't believe they have such a thing...
fluffypony: danielpbarron: yeah I think it's ~1 mil doge to the BTC
fluffypony: because on a scale of 1 to reasons-to-be-bullish-on-an-altcoin, being able to sell an inflatable penguin is right up there with "has the word Dark in the name"
fluffypony: "Finally, when the conversation moved to alternative coins, Smith also shared that he is bullish on dogecoins. “In terms of the alternative currencies that I like, I really like dogecoins. I got 3,600 dogecoins by selling an inflatable penguin,” he said."
fluffypony: my favourite part is at the end
fluffypony: he's said ~1600 lines over the past year
Rulother: Nice to chime in from time to time depending on the convo
assbot: Voicing Rulother for 30 minutes.
artifexd: That's the +1 parts
bounce: cmake isn't a make replacement, it's a autofools replacement, loaded with colourfully painted godawful bikesheds and inducing more dependency pressure on the most common user (the non-dev compiler)
asciilifeform: 'A "new" language that differs from the rest of the crop by one or a couple features is proof positive that both what it came from and what it has become are mutations about to die. There are tens if not hundreds of thousands of such "languages" that people have invented over the yeare, for all sorts of weird purposes where they just could not use whatever language they were already using, could not extend it
bounce: once you do understand how Make rules actually work, most of the problems people experience with make go away. and then the "better, easier" replacements are just pots of syntactic sugar. like, oh, ant for example.
bounce: my pet theory is that there's a class of kids fascinated with building tools but aren't quite cut out to write compilers... so they stick to make "replacements" instead.
bounce: what was that kid again that distributed a bit of crappy code with a makefile containing a few lines of irc log that "everybody" just copies and pastes the rules, atop a list of rules that miraculously work some of the time altough most of them were written the wrong way around?
mike_c: feel the power of btcalpha
bounce: agreed. looking at the differences is interesting in a chinese sort of way, though.
pankkake: and you don't usually have to understand the language, just the build systems (which all suck, no exceptions :p)
bounce: "if we can't follow your every move (financially), you must be a terrorist (financier)" -- nothing like fat budgets to engender some more groupthink and target innovations like bitcoin. can someone please put the usg out of our misery?
mike_c: pankkake: have you seen the last s.mg report? i thought of you when reading about the package maintainer job (cuz of altcoin).
fluffypony: and then profit?