mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is very much not so, if you've ever seen any of the pill kiddies pill.
asciilifeform: supposing it is possible to use the word in application to doping, seems like the pill folx are 'smarter' -- they at least have a rough idea of how much $subst they're eating
mircea_popescu: back then, pot used to be like porn. nowadays -- also is like porn. compare and contrast.
mircea_popescu: truth be told, "weak enzyme -- to what ?" people who smoked in college pre 2000ish and then kinda stopped aren'\t ready for what has become of the pot scene.
asciilifeform: even odder then.
asciilifeform: i also wonder if there's a 'chukcha and firewater' effect in play, possibly some folx have weak enzyme
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Because they are chasing the euphoric effects their body's tendancy to homeostasis has robbed them of
mircea_popescu: i have no idea. but i mentioned because a) wouldn't have believed the story and b) witnessed with own eyes.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the interplay of random hybridation ( BingoBoingo does a good job of describing what open source weed did) and personal genetics. this is what happens.
mircea_popescu: btcbase.org/log/2018-10-15#1862927 ; and similarly ANYTHING ELSE. the bar strictly is "more than three people get together who aren't mentally subnormal". that's it!)
mircea_popescu: (also great case study in http://trilema.com/2015/the-triviality-of-slaying-the-surviving-socialist-beast/ ; it takes barely a farthing's worth of concerted effort to rape ourdemocracy in any ghole you choose. the only reason pedophilia, necrophilia or w/e else isn't "legally protected" today is strictly that all pedos, necrophiliacs etc are fucking morons. otherwise, self-mutilation legally protected to the degree of http://
a111: Logged on 2018-10-15 17:19 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo it does go pretty faint, the respiration. which yes, can definitely panic the more medically-informed.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Not at present. I am too stretched for time at the moment. It is more of a dump information of of my head to consult it later without keeping it in an active workspace portion of the head piece.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo is there some subtext of "hey, anyone wanna finance my becoming a grower" in there ?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> lmao the drug on wars. ok, i was entertain't. << Intentional
mircea_popescu: lmao the drug on wars. ok, i was entertain't.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo it does go pretty faint, the respiration. which yes, can definitely panic the more medically-informed.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: There have been a number of times in Uruguay where I walked through what could have been "opium den" scenes, except without anyone being in danger of acute respiratory cessation
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo there's no such thing as "propogation"!
mircea_popescu: http://bingology.net/2018/10/14/that-one-agricultural-product-and-uruguay/#selection-125.68-125.85 << i've recently seen this, it was something else. "like triple-dose ketamine"'d be the best way to describe it, nevermind "could not walk", subj could not keep eyes open, 6+ hrs.
BingoBoingo: In other punchlines, titless canadian man wins a women's cycling championship
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo "these varietes dominate" varietals ?
mircea_popescu: it's kinda funny how the predictable result of an hour's logs is that... "hey guise... there's even MOAR space at the trough than we thought! you have engineermanyears to put to some use ? ohohoh here, here, uses, pick, choose!"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i thought trinque was doing that exact thing for the linux machine.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-14 14:22 mircea_popescu: MEANWHILE, however, they have 100% unaccounted for the time externality. so basically it's a contest consisting of a guy without legs going about finding fault with people's fingers. because he's decided "legs don't count", and so as he has much better hands than the rest of those losers he should be captain of the football team.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform precisely my poiont. yet again as always & forever, the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-14#1783773 of http://trilema.com/2018/democracy-sucks-the-two-thousand-four-hundred-and-change-years-old-version/ at work.
asciilifeform: really, sbcl ( or any other cltron ) oughta boot up by eating a set of keys and a vtree.
asciilifeform: btw phf , i'm starting to think that esthlos-vtron could be turned into a proper replacement for asdf,quicklisp,all the heathen rubbish packagerisms
mircea_popescu: (and the experienced historians among the "anyone" guessing will point to -- HIDDEN EXTERNALITY!!! as fucking always! they hijacked their conversation channels to repeat over and over AND OVER again "if you want it -- write it", ie, "the cost of portability, as the backflow of using stupid hardware, is hidden under the rug tee heee")
a111: Logged on 2018-10-15 00:25 phf: but you would never know, because in sbcl it generally does the right thing
mircea_popescu: how the fuck they managed to live before, uncomputable-cost-portability herp derp is anyone's guess.
asciilifeform: hence the retardation of autoconfism
mircea_popescu: ie, before us, "portability" was an abstract nothing, single-datapoint debalanced nonsense, like "the pursuit of happiness" or "safety first" or "no means no" or whatever other fucktarded pantsuit nonsense.
mircea_popescu: ussed is worth having, why do you think maintaining the respective branch is too much work ?"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform to go back to that thread : i suppose the "portability" discussion is deeply broken in empire (and no, linus, rms and friends aren't "a republic of their own", they're leningrad school and naught else). consider how http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-15#1862894 drives the dilemma : "if the trouble of maintaining a tree is not justified, why do you think the iron discussed is worth having ? if you think the iron disc
mircea_popescu: the puzzler of all time for the average fetlife-grazed chickie, too. "wait... you mean to tell me ~you~ don't really care to talk ~to me~ ?!@?!?! but pantsuited hilarity gave us our rights!!!" sorta "this development goes neatly against everything i've been told to believe."
mircea_popescu: because yes, there very much is such a thing as a bar for civilisation, or at the very least for conversation. ~could~ talk to anyone, much like ~could~ very much shit outdoors ; but one strangely enough discovers in a short time that... doesn't really want to.
mircea_popescu: and this started after eg mpoepr's ~exhausting the live ponds.
mircea_popescu: soon thereafter returned, very puzzled -- why doesn't $x ever wash ?!"
mircea_popescu: god knows all my attempts to dialogue, from http://trilema.com/surprised-by-joy-the-shape-of-my-early-life-adnotated to http://trilema.com/2017/the-ethics-of-liberty-by-murray-n-rothbard-adnotated-part-vi-a-crusoe-social-philosophy/ to http://trilema.com/2014/on-the-superiority-of-monarchy-or-adnotations-to-why-the-worst-get-on-top/ to what have you are entirely indistinguishable from "one day, mp decided to pay $x a visit ;
asciilifeform: ups the bar for civilization, indeed, sorta like once you've used indoor shitter you generally intend to keep using
mircea_popescu: i suppose they do create some obligation, as per ye olde "if you can -- you must", in the sense that much like girl can't imagien why she'd mate with dood who doesn't use soap, i can't imagine why i'd talk to dood who "has ideas" or w/e they call being filthy outside the walls.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: btw for completeness strictly, note that there exists a ~third~ crc32 : division normally, but optionally generates table and then continues with table
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-15#1862805 << any of the koreans you teach meet the qualifications of a) female b) young c) bright and d) active ? cuz there might be a job opening for one.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-15 10:26 ave1: btw, gnat specific; System.OS_Lib has 'Create_New_File' (it also has a temp file generator, but I cannot recommend, uses digits). bvt's implemention looks the way to go (Although the string allocations to talk to C should be removed)
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-15#1862793 << i'd rather never have to import c strings anywhere either, i'd say a major goal of the whole effort is to get rid of them. so paranthesis-yes!
mircea_popescu: then later, when he had the time for it, or when others saw the wisdom of the point after his death, or whenever, that stub could've been replaced with the proper item.
mircea_popescu: so -- looking back to the crc32 situation, suppose that for whatever reason the consensus wasn't "yeah, should definitely have both" but "division is stupid, only tables are needed". at that juncture, ave1 could have made an alternate patch to the crc32-lookup consisting of merely a changed manifest, saying "Hey, for so and so reasons I think this should be a crc32-division, I intend to do it later."
a111: Logged on 2018-10-15 03:55 mircea_popescu: the leaves downstream from EACH n1 needn't be identical, nor needn't be different. in effect, the tree now has TWO groups of maintainers : those who maintain type 2 tree, for embeds, will not === those who maintain type 1 tree, for general use.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-15#1862676 << speaking of this, might as well take the time to discuss the "stub manifest" point.
asciilifeform: just when i think 'no moar shitoshi surprises possible', i turn up yet another.
asciilifeform: in unrelated noose, mod6 et al : loox like trb doesn't remove banned peers from its addr table ! i.e. offers their addrs up to others, as if they were proper noades!! i never noticed this previously, it had to wait to be found empirically. really oughta be fixed, and pretty simple patch.
billymg: trinque: just a heads up, i'll be away from my machine for the next few days but should be able to have stuff put together by friday or early saturday, and will share
a111: Logged on 2018-10-11 20:07 phf: asciilifeform: so the posix solution is to call open with O_CREAT | O_EXCL, which will attempt to create but will signal EEXIST if the file already exists. curiously default behavior O_CREAT will simply clobber
a111: Logged on 2018-10-15 10:15 mircea_popescu: specifically what i mean : if a process creates/deletes file on a very narrow schedule ; and another checks for file's existence on very narrow schedule, their respective pictures of when they think file exists and doesn't fails to match up.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-15#1862785 << a working 'atomic' create-or-fail-if-exists by definition excludes this scenario. linux claims to offer one, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-11#1860739 , but i've nfi yet whether it worx as printed on the crate
asciilifeform: haven't found yet a clear answer re what my particular isp's wan frame size is, however. ( and i expect that it will be peculiar to the given isp's gear , and may not apply across the board )
a111: Logged on 2018-10-15 09:33 ave1: asciilifeform, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-14#1862451, I've been reading through the logs and could find no reference of how you did this. Could this be monitored with an FPGA? (there seem to be MAC level FPGA based routers).
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-15#1862750 << i ought expand, since ave1 asked : my measurement is indirect, and is possible that could be wrong. what i did was to look for latency variance ( if my optical terminal knew how to send variant frames, shorter packets oughta move faster ) -- but found none, to the resolution of my clock.
slycordinator: thanks for the information again. i have to go to bed. it's late here in Korea and I have to be up in the morning to teach
asciilifeform: slycordinator: the only 'driver' is the ehci thing , i rolled it into the example kernel, it'll work with any mass storage item plugged into the jack
slycordinator: but i wasn't sure if the install stuff you had on your site would work for that instead of using a usb stick because of drivers and such
asciilifeform: this doesn't require any changes to the published example
slycordinator: and i was wanting to use a usb3 enclosure to salvage my laptop drive that's got the movies on it, using that for the / partition
slycordinator: So, I haven't purchased one of the devices but I'm considering it as a local NAS for plex.
slycordinator: Thanks for the pointer; first I've heard of it. I've used gentoo off-and-on for years. Although with my English teaching, I've mostly had to use windows since most materials shared around have been for MS Office (and the linux alternatives didn't work with the stuff usually)
diana_coman: slycordinator, you prolly need to look at cuntoo as well then
slycordinator: currently, I've been using an old laptop for the purpose as-needed but I need to replace it with something
slycordinator: And thank you for the info on the alternative for contacting asciilifeform; I'm looking into making a gentoo box for a NAS out of an ARM board he wrote up about
diana_coman: and do register a key as otherwise your introduction will not have any person to be linked to
slycordinator: Sounds good. I'll come by on occasion; think my wife is annoyed with how much time I spend on the computer already though lol
ave1: slycordinator, that's very interesting, most people here are in the American Continents and some of us are in Europe (I'm in the Netherlands).
a111: Logged on 2018-10-10 21:09 bvt: Hello, I am BT from the recent diana_coman's comments section
ave1: In the mean time you could introduce yourself. And figure out where you are here: http://btcbase.org/log.
slycordinator: The message on the captcha display says "reCAPTCHA V1 IS SHUTDOWN. Direct site owners to g.co/repaptcha/upgrade"
slycordinator: Is anyone on here in contact with someone who runs loper-os.org? I got directed here from clicking the "contact" link there. On the site, people can't make comments on articles as the captcha software used is out of date
ave1: and in that code, another way to send strings from Ada to C; http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/GZtAH/?raw=true
ave1: btw, gnat specific; System.OS_Lib has 'Create_New_File' (it also has a temp file generator, but I cannot recommend, uses digits). bvt's implemention looks the way to go (Although the string allocations to talk to C should be removed)
mircea_popescu: could work like !Q later tell == !Q 0 tell ; otherwise !Q 144 tell
mircea_popescu: specifically what i mean : if a process creates/deletes file on a very narrow schedule ; and another checks for file's existence on very narrow schedule, their respective pictures of when they think file exists and doesn't fails to match up.
diana_coman: onth I'm not sure I want Create to throw exceptions - I want it to create the file and that's it, I don't care if it exists or not
diana_coman: I used that at the udp tester to create file only if it does not exist
diana_coman: ave1, thanks, confirmed fine, I'll sign and mirror it on my shelf in a minute; (re s.mg lines - not a worry either way really)
a111: Logged on 2018-10-15 01:13 phf: so it looks like bvt is correct, there's no way to make ada's Create throw an exception if the file already exists
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-15#1862587 << i suspek the problem's deeper here. ie, "already exists" concept may altogether be broken on linux/unix
ave1: note I kept the S.MG 2018 lines untouched
a111: Logged on 2018-10-15 00:54 asciilifeform: this line of thought was prompted by my 'trb observatory', which has uncovered a number of 'mpb'-style nodes, i.e. trb-like but not presenting 'modern' vers and therefore invisible from heathen www indices
diana_coman: ave1, please update so I can sign the patch
diana_coman: ave1, the .ads in your .vpatch still has the original comments saying that it's a lookup-based implementation, lol
ave1: netsniff-ng seems to show raw frames (eth mac is reported) but yes I'll look into the socket raw code
mircea_popescu: listen on a raw socket. otherwise you're prolly getting what comes out of pf_packet, which is a packet.
mircea_popescu: "raw packet", "raw frame", rawdog, etcetera. tcpdump/libpcap-likes tend to dump the packets not the frames.
ave1: So if this part of framing happens at the hardware level then the connection to what is reported to the OS and actually on the line is weak
ave1: So far (by reading about this), I found that some NICs can do part of the framing for the OS (but I would expect that to be for large messages and not for small ones)
ave1: This I do not know (it looks raw). I'am probably doomed to read the linux network stack.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-14 16:54 asciilifeform: on 1 occasion it was found necessary to build a icbm rocket that is too heavy for 1 car. head designer v. f. utkin found solution, he had a system of springs to distribute the weight between ~two~ cars. this is analogous to udp fraggism.
mircea_popescu: but are you dumping the raw frames ? or are they reconstructed the "indended" packet for you ?
ave1: mircea_popescu, I'm doing packet sniffing (with wireshark and netsniff etc) and I see different ethernet frame sizes reported
a111: Logged on 2018-10-15 04:14 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in the end we could phrase it as "some rewriters -- deeper than others".
a111: Logged on 2018-10-14 16:49 asciilifeform: ave1: there is not much to be said further re subj, i looked into what actually comes out of my lan, it sends 1500 frames upstream always.
ave1: asciilifeform, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-14#1862451, I've been reading through the logs and could find no reference of how you did this. Could this be monitored with an FPGA? (there seem to be MAC level FPGA based routers).
mircea_popescu: ah ah. okthen
diana_coman: there isn't any question that I see remaining there; I think what happened was that I was thinking a bit out loud in the logs yesterday and I got to same conclusion basically but then you started answering to the first part and some things were not unclear at a distance too and so the whole thing
mircea_popescu: tree A is single if there exists a "most extensive press" that includes all possible presses are included ; tree A is multi if no such MEP exists.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-15 06:49 diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-15#1862722 -> hm, multi for the sake of it would anyway be taken care of via who signs and who doesn't sign the various patches or trees; but anyway - do you mean you think there should be explicit multi-tree dependencies? this is what I was talking about there: tree A effectively links to patch B.3 in tree B so if B's maintainer regrinds then A's maintainer has to go on a shouting spree (as per "talk to peop
a111: Logged on 2018-10-15 04:00 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-14#1862394 << that's the discussion as to how "of course everything eventually merges into single tree".
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-15#1862681 -> taking out of the tree i.e. opposite of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-15#1862683
diana_coman: in the more general case it can branch for all sorts of reasons and continue on those branches for as long as needed, of course
a111: Logged on 2018-10-14 16:13 diana_coman: yes, the way I currently see it now is pretty much that: trunk (main line) goes along the production versions of all stuff (crc32 or keccak or whatever else) and otherwise at the respective points there can be additional branches /leaves with the reference implementations
diana_coman: I read and re-read and I get the impression that this sort of delayed conversation doesn't work very well so I'll leave it for now
a111: Logged on 2018-10-15 04:20 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-14#1862408 << the benefit is that if they are legitimate multi, then there's different context which is well handled ; and if they are illegitimate (in the sense of, no context to well handle) there's pressure there to collapse.
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-15#1862722 -> hm, multi for the sake of it would anyway be taken care of via who signs and who doesn't sign the various patches or trees; but anyway - do you mean you think there should be explicit multi-tree dependencies? this is what I was talking about there: tree A effectively links to patch B.3 in tree B so if B's maintainer regrinds then A's maintainer has to go on a shouting spree (as per "talk to peop
a111: Logged on 2018-10-15 04:22 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-14#1862411 << but if you don't care about computers why are you talking to them ? you're not ~dependent~ on it, but i presume you care to some degree.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-14 16:25 diana_coman: once you bring it into your tree, you don't care about the original tree so ...how stuck?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-14#1862411 << but if you don't care about computers why are you talking to them ? you're not ~dependent~ on it, but i presume you care to some degree.
mircea_popescu: eg, branching the eucrypt tree over embeds/mainstream is (possibly ?) sustainable ; whereas branching it over "joe needs a project to direct to justify his employment with shithat" is exactly as sustainable as post-2018 linux.
mircea_popescu: which is the fucking problem with current versioning systems, they encourage illegitimate context creation, of the sort of "i need to publish or perish therefore let us rename biology and rediscover it".
a111: Logged on 2018-10-14 16:25 diana_coman: and then you are stuck maintaining those multiple trees - what's the benefit in that?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-14#1862408 << the benefit is that if they are legitimate multi, then there's different context which is well handled ; and if they are illegitimate (in the sense of, no context to well handle) there's pressure there to collapse.
mircea_popescu: or whatever-other-name.
mircea_popescu: in any case historically this ~exact process~ is how eg djb ended up with the modicum of respect he then proceeded to squander.
mircea_popescu: wtf is signing a vpatch than "i sat down to rewrite $author's work and came to his exact text, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-12#1860859 style. therefore i undersign."
mircea_popescu: in fact, a very solid basis for respect is, "whenever i sit down to rewrite x, i end up writing what he wrote ; whereas whenever i sit down to rewrite y, i end up using empty page. thus therefore x is rated 5 and y -10"
asciilifeform: right. and the actual extent of rewritism is not necessarily visible to thirdparty, it is b/w the rewriter and odin, really
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in the end we could phrase it as "some rewriters -- deeper than others".
mircea_popescu: even if what you end up writing down is 100% exactly identical to the original, nevertheless IT IS STILL A REWRITE, especially if the original is heathen -- as per "idiots may not have ideas" doctrine. http://trilema.com/2014/pro-idiotas-which-obviously-means-people-who-have-ideas-ie-idiots/#selection-145.129-145.542 and all that.
mircea_popescu: the rest of the discussion is in http://trilema.com/2015/mps-very-brief-foray-into-a-poetry-forum/
mircea_popescu: imo this "empty buffer" notion is leftover implanted brain electrode from ustard academia/schooling. "oh, gotta be original". no such fucking thing ; and the only reason they talk about it is to keep intelligent people from doing important work.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the act of outputting a text.
mircea_popescu: 32 is a very simple thing and absolutely easy to lift and package into 52 lines of code in the .adb file + 130 in the .ads file so 182 all in total1, comments and two types of input (string or raw array of octets) included."
mircea_popescu: to quote, \"As usual, the forum quickly pointed me in the right direction - thank you ave1! - namely looking under the hood of course, in this case GNAT's own hood, the Systems.CRC32 package. Still, this package makes a whole dance of eating one single character at a time since it is written precisely to support the stream monstrosity on top rather than to support the user with what they might indeed need. Happily though, CRC
a111: Logged on 2018-10-14 16:21 diana_coman: asciilifeform, trouble is - what do you do then when/if that tree gets reground?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-14#1862400 << #1 thing you do, is you TALK TO PEOPLE! there is no jwz way out of politics. if regrind hurts you, tell them not to fucking do it ; and if they won't listen tell whoever will listen to not follow the new thing. and so fucking on.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-14#1862397 << because cut-and-paste was never contemplated as a possible alternative, it was read-and-rewrite. because moving from one tree to another is exactly translation, one must bear in mind context and only implement ~the algo~. consider how we got crc32 -- we did NOT cut-and-paste from anywhere. diana RE WROTE IT!
mircea_popescu: kinda the fucking point, building yggdrasil over here.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-14 16:16 asciilifeform: diana_coman: iirc mircea_popescu in particular specifically hates libs-as-separate-trees, insists that proggy oughta include errything it eats. ( i dun recall whether he answered why it should not also then include the os and compiler also in same genesis, but i'ma leave thread alone for nao)
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-14#1862394 << that's the discussion as to how "of course everything eventually merges into single tree".
a111: Logged on 2018-10-14 16:13 diana_coman: I honestly don't quite see the point of taking crc32 out for instance
mircea_popescu: but while there's overlap of people contributing to both type 1 and type 2 branches, it's more likely the situation will continue unground.
mircea_popescu: IF the groups ever diverge absolutely, they MIGHT eventually re-genesis the thing, making all leaves 1...n into a unified genesis and continuing from there.
mircea_popescu: the leaves downstream from EACH n1 needn't be identical, nor needn't be different. in effect, the tree now has TWO groups of maintainers : those who maintain type 2 tree, for embeds, will not === those who maintain type 1 tree, for general use.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-14 16:11 diana_coman: ah, you mean that the only way to do this is to take crc32 out of eucrypt tree?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-14#1862386 << not at all! there's two possible ways to implement crc32 : with lookup tables, and with plain division. these are mutually exclusive. type 1 is faster, and therefore mainline. type 2 is smaller, and therefore of interest in certain contexts. therefore, at leaf=n, one has to chose : either n+1 type 1, or else n+1 type 2.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-14 15:55 diana_coman: as it is, it will be a .vpatch after the lookup implementation - so linear sequence rather than alternative; you might want to branch the tree instead from *before* the lookup implementation so that your div version is effectively alternative branch
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-14#1862364 << this is important. ave1 you understand the difference ?
a111: Logged on 2018-10-14 15:29 trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-14#1862212 << I don't see how I could have shaved off just that rating while fixing the diana_away thing, but if it turns out I did, my apologies
a111: Logged on 2018-10-14 15:08 lobbes: "castle-only" may be the way to go anyways; I'm not sure #trilema even needs the auctionbot to sit in here
phf: i don't think i'll be able to cut rename tonight, and then i'll be busy until friday, though will try to steal an hour here and there
trinque: not blocked on anything afaik, improvements to vtools can come in as another patch for the ebuild tree
trinque: asciilifeform: what's left is finishing ebuilding-up phf's vtools, then release
asciilifeform: at the very least vtools
mircea_popescu: does it have either vtools or mp-wp ?
a111: Logged on 2018-10-14 12:55 lobbes: and speaking of auctionbot: development is complete. At the moment I am getting ready to begin some prod testing and then all that's left is to write the blog post explaining the usage. Getting close!
a111: Logged on 2018-10-14 11:56 diana_coman: bvt, get yourself a pizarro shared account and start your blog there precisely with those pastes, what's keeping you?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-14#1862295 << bootstrapping problem, he has to get vtools compiled to press mp-wp to install it on the rk he already bought.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i possibly dun wanna drag the nice thing into it, but i dunno, way too early to optimize this partuclar pile.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-14 07:53 diana_coman: in fact the 3rd option that is the one actually to use is having different sizes on the two processes (i.e. different constant simply)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not redundant because the rsa processor is "best effort", ie, only goes if there's spacetime in machine
asciilifeform: sorta makes the thread redundant, as diana_coman pointed out, you can still use fixed receivers.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's no such thing as label in context.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-14 07:49 diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-14#1862213 -> it's more than just one if statement (although unnecessary branches in themselves are not great anyway); basically it's the udp code itself that has to be messed up to accommodate this particular thing - either using generic or otherwise using the largest of the two and then filtering one level higher
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-14#1862282 << nah, you'd have two threads running, one taking packets type 1 and the other taking packets type 2. if it's expedient to use 2 ports, use 2 ports, np.
mircea_popescu: there's exactly nothing similar between rsa packet and serpent packet. for the same money could ask to have busses and flour delivered in single container.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-14 04:30 Mocky: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-13#1862167 >> I don't see how it would necessarily be any simpler aside from one `if` statement. And there's nothing to stop listening on separate ports and getting all benefits asciilifeform mentions with different sizes
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-14#1862213 << im not entertaining the nonsense. will not make different packets of very strictly disjunct content same size to humor software engineer naivitees masquerading as prime principles.
phf: asciilifeform: i actually forgot! i'm swamped right now, but can you remind me again in about two weeks, i have a thing for you from the dig that will help with the little piece of silicon you have
phf: the gift that keeps on giving
phf: the graph appears to be complete, and the project also presses, thank you for jumping through all the hoops!
phf: diana_coman: i've updated eucrypt to keccak, i also added ave1's patch there. also brought udp up to date.
phf: i like how C 2012 standard says that x flag works "to the extent that the underlying system supports exclusivity". of course no indication when it doesn't..
phf: oh i guess i see why that would be tricky, because of the specialization. i don't know enough ada yet to know how to fix that... perhaps just renaming it to Temporary_File is sufficient
phf: but without the name, so you call it, and you get an open file right away, rather than dragging around a useless name)
phf: (when i proposed the name i was thinking that it will be a wrapper around http://www.ada-auth.org/standards/rm12_w_tc1/html/RM-A-8-1.html#p6
phf: the other thing, and that's somewhat of a personal preference, i think Create_Temporary_File should either act identical to create or be called something else. right now it clashes with ada's naming convention
lobbesbot: phf: The operation succeeded.
phf: bvt: your patch has "Binary files..." at the very end of it. i assume it wasn't made with vdiff
ben_vulpes: mod6 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: the remaining stateside fuckgoats are packed in a specific box that i will relocate with my person.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Found on the return of kink guy's forum. Apparently was originally found on twitter.
phf: we're way down the rabbit hole here
phf: is it the NPC meme?
phf: so it looks like bvt is correct, there's no way to make ada's Create throw an exception if the file already exists
BingoBoingo: Who is going to check their work?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: point was, the observation came from heathen site known to systematically lie
phf: i was like "wtf, kind of shit ascii accidentally pasted instead of the real url" :p
asciilifeform: i wonder what other spamola lurks.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I have come around to thinking of the process that leads to this "wished helplessness"
a111: Logged on 2018-10-10 01:22 asciilifeform: https://archive.is/ltRHd << per same, of the 4 public noadez in BingoBoingostan, 3 are in pizarro
asciilifeform: phf: essence of hypothesis, is that the ~actual~ bitcoin network looks nothing at all like what 'nodes.io' or other heathen scamola, try to pass off
phf: i wonder what sort of technology those heathen node walkers use, i.e. if it's a patched up bitcoin client, or if they have own protocol parsers. seems like too much serious know how for the later
asciilifeform: this line of thought was prompted by my 'trb observatory', which has uncovered a number of 'mpb'-style nodes, i.e. trb-like but not presenting 'modern' vers and therefore invisible from heathen www indices
asciilifeform: i'd like a (ideally real-time) picture of the actual network.
asciilifeform: the heathen node-viewing www's systematically lie, e.g. conceal 'too old' clients , present fucking pseudos as if they were actual nodes, and commit other war crimes
asciilifeform: or disconnect in the middle of things, etc
asciilifeform: worx ok with trb. but heathens do all kinds of weird things, throw up various garbage in place of e.g. getaddr answer
asciilifeform: phf: context : i was baking a noad walker / torturer, orig in python, little thing, thought it would be doable in a day or 2; then found that mass of prb etc all break protocol in 9000 interesting ways, an extra byte here an' there, and realized that it aint doable without adult condition handling/restarts, which means cl.
asciilifeform: and sbcl aint it. i'd prefer something like kyoto, or which ever was the absolute shortest that implemented whole standard, for starting point
asciilifeform: prolly the eventual Right Thing will be when we proclaim a republican cltron and start massaging it to eventually climb to that level.
phf: yeah, pretty much. a totally different experience from, say, sbcl, and a lot closer to a real lisp machine too. comes with all the things builtin, so you never really need to touch outside world
asciilifeform: so he never had to eat the compat layer liquishit.
asciilifeform: my impression was that allegro did 'all them things not in the standard' and actually did them well.
phf: well, after reading the CADR documentation, source code and generally spending more time on a lisp machine, i realized that modern common lisp is a cargo cult. i'm not sure how naggum didn't see it, but possibly because his lisp was emacs/cmucl/franz
phf: but you would never know, because in sbcl it generally does the right thing
asciilifeform: it's actually one of the reasons i haven't ever finished rewrite of phuctor in cl. erry time i sat down to do it, barfed on one of these things
phf: one of the major wtfs when reading asdf code, is that when all the ifdef's fall through, hte system falls back to some seriously questionable solutions, like shelling out to unix level with elaborate commands (i don't remember the example, but it's almost like "mkdir {} && cd ..." type stuff)
phf: asciilifeform: well, a portability layer is the ultimate ifdef, and in this case worse written by somebody else
asciilifeform: ( prolly The Right Thing then is to write own compat layers. for errything. but only 2 hands,sadly )
a111: Logged on 2018-10-15 00:17 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-13#1862183 << no, i don't use portability packages in my own code (they are the hole through which the darkness comes), and when something pulls it as a dependency, it comes from quicklisp
phf: out of curiousity i went through the log, and bordeaux-threads had that bt nickname pretty much since creation, in 2006
a111: Logged on 2018-10-13 23:31 asciilifeform: !Q later tell phf wouldja happen to have a frozen nonretarded version of bordeaux-threads somewhere ? the one i have, is utterly sad, squats nickname 'bt' which prevents binary-types from working...
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-13#1862183 << no, i don't use portability packages in my own code (they are the hole through which the darkness comes), and when something pulls it as a dependency, it comes from quicklisp
lobbes: for the time being, the legacy auctionbot (lobbesbot's !Qauction) will remain up and running as well
BingoBoingo: billymg: With mp-wp the three most common sources of headbanging are: file and directory permissions, .htaccess (if running apache), and pressing into a populated direction (As in you press, aren't sure anything happened and press again into the output directory without cleansing it; prevalence of this one depends on particular v-tron used))
billymg: about to step out for a bit but have been keeping notes and will put together a writeup after mp-wp is successfully pressed/running
billymg: trinque: thanks for the tip about custom ebuilds. was able to do a local ebuild of the libmcrypt dep by taking what was in upstream and just changing the EAPI version to 6. installed fine, and then php-5.6.38 went fine as well
a111: Logged on 2018-10-12 18:18 asciilifeform: the 1 'litmus test' i was able to think of , is the 'i pick a block hash and you gimme the block in <1s' algo.
ben_vulpes: apologies for the stink
ben_vulpes: fence is done, transpocubes for possesions arrive tomorrow. house still unleased and one car yet needing transportation scheduled. other than that, girl and child fly out soon, and i drive out with dog shortly before.
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-14#1862478 i lost a few hours to cl-postgres/postmodern/simple date over the past two months; there is now some cl-postgres-simple-date-glue package that needs loading in order for postmodern to use its local-date set of classes. once upon a time loading simple-date after cl-postgres was enough to get the mechanisms in place.
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-12#1861273 << largeish place, live music of poor quality on the first floor, asciilifeform and i had the top balcony to ourselves for an hour at least
asciilifeform: trinque: unrelatedly, i resolved the binary-types thing, will eventually genesis a working ver.
trinque: purged a few pieces of technical debt lingering from the rapid prototype I built during the schism. sorry to have made you a casualty of the purge!
trinque: Mocky: herp, wrong db. it's there now.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-14 15:44 trinque: Mocky: yep, looks like I trashed it, and I see no corresponding !!unrate. restored. I will make sure there were no other dropped ratings.
Mocky: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-14#1862360 >> does 'restored' mean it should be in there now trinque? I don't see it.
asciilifeform: but let's suppose utkin had instead built a rocket that occupies all but one metre of standard rail car. i suspect that it would not have been received warmly by the brass, and at the very least they'd ask why, 'what will go in that free metre of car ? tinned fish ?'
asciilifeform: and notably, by some accounts the 'distribute the mass' gizmo did not actually work very well, hence why the thing was eventually scrapped. ( and not because 'usa asked eltsin nicely', as was the popular legend at the time )
asciilifeform: ^ the gizmo on the right, was a hydraulic thing to push any electric wires above the tracks, out of the way. whole thing was pretty clever.
asciilifeform: on 1 occasion it was found necessary to build a icbm rocket that is too heavy for 1 car. head designer v. f. utkin found solution, he had a system of springs to distribute the weight between ~two~ cars. this is analogous to udp fraggism.
asciilifeform: best analogy, imho, is sov train carriages. it is possible to make train carriage of many lengths, but they had 1 . so if cargo were smaller, it'd get packed in with other things, or sometimes partially empty car, but short car would not be specially built for shorter crate.
asciilifeform: ave1: there is not much to be said further re subj, i looked into what actually comes out of my lan, it sends 1500 frames upstream always.
ave1: btw, I'm still interested in the single size ethernet packages (I propably misunderstood) but unfortunately have to bbl
asciilifeform: this is the Right Thing, i.e. if you want a variant to exist, you gotta maintain it.