benkay: well, reflective at certain angles
benkay: WHADDAYA KNOW
benkay: o hey high albedo shit is high albedo
benkay: i'll be watching the logs
benkay: that's not easily faked?
benkay: anyways, off to troll the local yokels about their inadequate security and absurd obeisance to the tyrant
benkay: but what criteria!?
benkay: http://toughmudder.com/sites/default/files/styles/lightboxed/public/TM_SanDiego_Sun_WestonWalker-36_0.jpg
benkay: http://toughmudder.com/sites/default/files/styles/lightboxed/public/TM_Charlotte_Sat_WestonWalker-1231_0.jpg
benkay: not quite the leverage of options, you know?
benkay: bloctoc: x.eur
benkay: http://toughmudder.com/sites/default/files/styles/lightboxed/public/Tough-Mudder-Toronto-2013-Sat-Gudkov-1334_0.jpg
benkay: bloctoc, the challenge is in the proving these things to the bitbet mods, and coming up with criteria that satisfy their standards.
benkay: bloctoc, Mats_cd03: can't quite hedge on MPEx anymore.
benkay: or whatever the equivalent term for a bitcoin wallet operator is?
benkay: hey, assettes: how would you phrase a bitbet to revolve on Blockchain's solvency?
benkay: "dear pm. please see the detailed instructions i sent you yesterday. yours, etc"
benkay: today a project manager spinning up a new frontend contractor asked "hey how do we import this vm into vagrant without smashing the frontend dev's existing precise64 image?"
benkay: oh my sides
benkay: ha well in retrospect it should have been "stupidest goddamn".
benkay: i don't play twitter myself, but it's neat to see links up there.
benkay: thanks, bitcoinpete!
benkay: glyph is classic fartup circus nonsense. apple's taken a firm stance on bitcoin+iOS, and Glyph doesn't have the horsepower to fight them. note: social media noise != canonry.
benkay: i demonstrated this to the team accidentally a few months back, when logging into the web console to see messages we sent each other from our phones.
benkay: bitcoinpete: finally, glyph is a scam. they store your messages in plaintext on their servers.
benkay: bitcoinpte: i'm lo these many years out of the synagogue, so thanks for the correction. i'll ship it with some other updates.
benkay: bitcoinpte: that would be the dick joke i mentioned last night, yes.
benkay: sure whatever
benkay: and then bitcoin
benkay: u just php
benkay: no wai
benkay: wat
benkay: !t b pif
benkay: if you're going the brokered transaction route
benkay: test123 ^^
benkay: ;;google drinking record counterparties
benkay: you could ask someone to broker a transaction for you
benkay: ugh because i don't want that on my shoes
benkay: anyone know if rent's paid divs yet?
benkay: har back at par
benkay: !t h rent
benkay: nom nom nom
benkay: yeah you buy a shitton of mpoe at 80k
benkay: nice.
benkay: .bait
benkay: .bait
benkay: hola test123
benkay: no no BingoBoingo they'll comply within 2 weeks, you see
benkay: roll tide!
benkay: if you enjoy spending bitcoin, eventually you'll have none.
benkay: people enjoy wasting money on satoshi dice too
benkay: i don't even believe it
benkay: you're even in the web!
benkay: ;;gettrust bitmia
benkay: ;;ident bitmia
benkay: just lurk moar
benkay: you're doing everything right
benkay: don't get too discouraged
benkay: how many on the welfare roles own a single troy oz?
benkay: because bitcoin isn't a consumer technology.
benkay: yeah but thestringpuller don't you understand bitmia_'s customers can barely swing a bitcent ;)
benkay: sounds like an implementation detail to me.
benkay: so bitmia go learn about simple payment verification and why people don't actually need the whole blockchain on disk.
benkay: ya well constant upgrades are the fruit of the devil
benkay: are there any viable spv wallets kicking around?
benkay: electrum's still a thing, right thestringpuller?
benkay: you can even proxy over to gribble yourself
benkay: "sign this thing."
benkay: electrum will suffice for identification.
benkay: you must have a reading problem.
benkay: grok spv?
benkay: dood you need to do so much reading
benkay: electrum bam
benkay: well man if you really want to scrape the bottom of the barrel, ain't nobody going to stop you.
benkay: "but what about the coinbase and web wallet users?"
benkay: a bitcoin wallet under user control would suffice
benkay: gpg is not even necessary for wot participation, you should know.
benkay: anyways.
benkay: but irrelevant, you seem set on doing your thing
benkay: yeah, well, occam
benkay: but if they have a bitcoin wallet, they can sign a thing.
benkay: if i were building that thing (and i'm not, and we haven't even discussed the market use for such a thing in the wake of the other ebay clones that have failed), i'd make it a hard requirement for sellers to have WoT identities.
benkay: probably a non-starter around here without that.
benkay: WoT integration would be neat
benkay: hard for the guy building the marketplace or hard for the participants?
benkay: kinda unclear question
benkay: having something worth selling maybe?
benkay: inability or unwillingness to do the hard things necessary to raise personal value above a single dollar.
benkay: which is what will keep them forever worth pennies.
benkay: matter of personal taste, like i said.
benkay: obviously you're going for pennies from paupers.
benkay: one can buy impressive e-peen widgets in that game, and at nontrivial prices to boot.
benkay: maybe Eve?
benkay: dunno, haven't seen any that satisfy the criteria yet.
benkay: is there room in a given business model for serving both?
benkay: of course
benkay: this is a matter of personal preference, obviously.
benkay: would we rather a billion pennies from a billion paupers, or individual clients with lifetime value to the firm in excess of 500B each?
benkay: classic startup circus attitude.
benkay: mo users, mo problems.
benkay: bitmia: i don't really do mass-market plays.
benkay: so the point of the gpg claim is that if you can't read the gnu privacy guard manual, you're worthless
benkay: (dramatic overstatement, chetty)
benkay: for instance, i don't actually want to spend any time around people for whom gpg is challenging to use
benkay: bitmia: complicated does not necessarily mean not user friendly
benkay: bitmia: if you're trying to make a crypto-related thing less of a hassle, you're undermining the point of crypto-things.
benkay: there's more in the queue for today?
benkay: i'm sorry, i do not understand.
benkay: his name's on the investors list is it not?
benkay: arrington?
benkay: oh i get it
benkay: oh god
benkay: oh ho
benkay: what is the borrowing rate these days?
benkay: which, hey
benkay: baaaasically zero compared to the btc rate
benkay: pretty close, tho
benkay: a ty
benkay: trying to figure out the knobs on the "how to get coffee made for me and a whole bunch of other shit done too for not a terrific amount of money"
benkay: hm yeah
benkay: the ones whose labor wasn't, weren't. granted those are "controllers" and what have you, not "office managers" or "directors of employee happiness".
benkay: i always figured the ops people were interchangeable by virtue of their labor being by and large totally fungible
benkay: but yeah panopticon is the thing lurking in that post
benkay: can't say as much stuck, and i missed out on the apparently crucial canings...
benkay: (i was briefly educated by people)
benkay: i have!
benkay: implying it could be had for less and that honey was ripped off?
benkay: the design stuff?
benkay: which coulda been did for nothing with gpg
benkay: i'm thinking more along the lines of 2fa implementations
benkay: what sorts of things are you talking about now?
benkay: ;;later tell bitcoinpete let me know when you find the joke about mircea_popescu's cock
benkay: we do shit for 50-100k that woulda run in the millions a decade ago.
benkay: whaaaat really?
benkay: ;;later tell bitcoinpete nice to see someone reading closely.
benkay: no flight attendants for meee :(
benkay: oh also saint paddy's day so doucheparade is out
benkay: (i give it a 1/10 - fukken blasted from a weekend with family; barely capable of satisfying the one i have)
benkay: anyways, flight was great - *my* pet redhead is making steaks, and then we're off to the wine bar to seduce the flight attendant
benkay: ah so then i guess not really a product of the usg then, mircea_popescu
benderp: uhh wide ranging too
benderp: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/03/17_the-sec-doth-breach-itself-upon-the-rocks-of-mpex-and-popescu-himself.html
benderp: it's kinda rough as these airplane pieces can be
benderp: so i dunno what happened but i pooped out a 3kword monster
benkay: later all
benkay: k boarding plaane
benkay: ur all gonna miss out on this one
benkay: it's going to be worth 20B 'cause facebook bought the other one for a lot of money
benkay: can i list on mpex?
benkay: hey guys i'm going to copy whatsapp
benkay: he might learn a thing or two from you
benkay: if only ninjashogun were educable
benkay: glad you have a sense of humor
benkay: those things matter.
benkay: but yeah, learning, working, delivering.
benkay: ninjashogun: the notion that ughlol is founder material falls on its face when he dances like a monkey in here asking "how ams i even make money guys?"
benkay: probably less. most grad students are brainwashed rule-followers.
benkay: kakobrekla: i think tiberius is back
benkay: fails.
benkay: lottery argument.
benkay: so you want to run the same scam here?
benkay: ninjashogun: so why would anyone play a retarded game like that?
benkay: is that you tiberius?
benkay: tiberius?
benkay: holy shit mircea_popescu!
benkay: social media does not fly here.
benkay: dude ninjashogun if you say traction around mp he'll probably just kill you and feed you to the harpies
benkay: Dimsler gets it
benkay: ninjashogun: you ain't introducing shit we already ran him out of here.
benkay: mircea_popescu: released on trilema?
benkay: alert readers these are not, tho.
benkay: one would, would one not?
benkay: "ya i guess you're right el oh el oh el"
benkay: "good thing it's just doge, and not bit."
benkay: from the local bitcoin room: "omg i broke my doge-wallet"
benkay: training wheels
benkay: okay i have found a use for the alts
benkay: i think you mean in two weeks
benkay: what happened to manners?
benkay: everyone calling themselves a core dev has hacked on the cpp hairball that turned into 0.7 and then 0.8
benkay: nobody uses anything post 0.6
benkay: sometimes in public, sometimes in private.
benkay: worth doing once a day.
benkay: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:a38d09183a201e377da24b96a6e0747f0e7fc58b5b0a0f8f24ab10bd
benkay: ;;gpg eauth benkay
benkay: sheesh bitcoinpete stop burning my electrons
benkay: if you want to avoid flailing around in public, you can get down with gribble via pm, bitcoinpete
benkay: what do you take me for?!
benkay: davout why does bitcoin-central never get press mentions?
benkay: look, end-users are responsible for their own security. it's not fucking secure.
benkay: look, there are no exchanges. there's no exchange rate.
benkay: "stability and security"
benkay: i was seeing mythical things.
benkay: ah.
benkay: the furies?
benkay: mircea_popescu re: hardness http://oglaf.com/habeas-corpus/
benkay: although maybe we'll all learn some haskell and learn something about strongly typed systems.
benkay: anyways, love these guys. smart fuckers. tough sell on the job is going to be lisp and not haskell for the backend.
benkay: wouldn't be surprised if that call was something along the lines of "are these both thingers in memory? great! return true."
benkay: i don't even php, so i don't know how hard you're trolling right now
benkay: man
benkay: (NO SERIOUSLY ARE THESE STRINGS EQUAL)
benkay: when it comes time to compare hashes, guess what happens.
benkay: backend in php 'cause what else
benkay: client has app and backend they brought my firm on to shephard into app store and reverse-engineer an SDK out of.
benkay: subject of php
benkay: oh man php
benkay: ruby on rails = bitcoin marble pillars
benkay: that is *definitely* anathema.
benkay: specifically, silly-con valley bank.
benkay: maybe trusting others with ones coins.
benkay: maybe allowing ones funds to be so commingled is anathema.
benkay: they're in a tough spot. they're guaranteeing cold storage for customer funds, but also that they can send funds on demand. this requires they commingle, which is anathema.
benkay: none.
benkay: it's a rails stack, who said anything about scaling?
benkay: moustache
benkay: bitcoinpete.com/2014/irc-yeshiva/ Hirethestache
benkay: this is BTC school Hirethestache
benkay: mircea_popescu Hirethestache i'm suggesting using the user-specific inbound address.
benkay: mircea_popescu Hirethestache doesn't CB allocate users a specific receipt address?
benkay: welcome to -assets.
benkay: Hirethestache: if your bet closes in 7 days just use the CB address. they won't likely go out of business with so little fanfare.
benkay: one never knows when bitcoins are going to shower from the heavens
benkay: hey jsbrekla text is not highlightable on bitbet homepage
benkay: o
benkay: Hirethestache: 2015?
benkay: f'real?
benkay: ah, what's the rush.
benkay: Hirethestache: for how long are you traveling?
benkay: mad trilema-y searches from gribble.
benkay: perhaps clustering against gribble searches then, which weights trilema?
benkay: hm
benkay: oh come on they can kinda infer that, right?
benkay: honestly it's probably tuning itself for grbble queries, mircea_popescu.
benkay: apparently.
benkay: ;;google dicelist
benkay: you may consider a dicelist and a deterministic wallet, Hirethestache.
benkay: ^^ or that
benkay: Hirethestache: there are also brainwallets you could use
benkay: test123: lotsa stuff happens here. some bitbet stuff as well.
benkay: mircea_popescu: i guess 2012's a while ago in buttyears
benkay: mircea_popescu: ...
benkay: mircea_popescu: still unspent?
benkay: you keep 2/21M of the monetary base on your phone?!
benkay: plan ahead, etc.
benkay: convenience? this is bitcoin!!!11
benkay: spend 200 bucks on a linux netbook.
benkay: no documentation necessary. it's not your hardware. it doesn't obey your commands. don't put your coins on it.
benkay: (true of all phone-type-combudder things)