mike_c: ok, ok. this has nothing to do with the animal.
mircea_popescu: <danielpbarron> mike_c, yes; they were some of the earliest adopters << libertards srsly ?!
mike_c: oh :) is the porcupine community into bitcoin?
assbot: PorcFest | The 11th Annual Porcupine Freedom Festival
mircea_popescu: i never been, how they go ?
mircea_popescu: or justkeep your bitcoin. either way :D
mike_c: or at least liquid, since they were already rich in value.
mike_c: if that is true, it doesn't make a ton of sense to me. if Facebook pays the right amount for BitPay, market cap shouldn't move. Facebook will be -$1b in cash and +$1b in value due to bitpay.
mike_c: if i understand: BitPay get acquired by Facebook. D.BPAY holders are entitled to some share of the increase in facebook market cap.
assbot: The Future of Money, Part Two. : Bitcoin
Vexual: id like to be the photographer when rich b sits down with mirc p
Vexual: perhaps someone will like to buy these
Vexual: with the 10 percent...
jurov: that doesn't preclude them to be sold anyway
Vexual: yeah about the soul..
jurov: they'll prolly need free coinbr account provided i'll sell their souls.. does anyone want them?
jurov: but they'll prolly have negative price :(
jurov: mircea_popescu: can i open D.BBS and short my shares there?
BingoBoingo: Maybe it is someone who wants to see the market go down to grab cheap ATC?
asciilifeform: energy cost is a design parameter at the time of design - not now.
asciilifeform: e.g. my father was once employed to reverse-engineer movie projectors
mircea_popescu: or in otherwords, if you're willing to kill as many subhumans as it takes
mircea_popescu: that point being, that the russian (actually, german, pre ww2) model works just fine with no ecological consideration
asciilifeform: plenty of comments, in the spirit, 'mine's built '65 and runs.'
asciilifeform: caption, among other things 'ran for 40 yrs.'
mircea_popescu: perhaps the next one.
BingoBoingo: I'll assume he's already dead, at least on the inside
mircea_popescu: what the fuck already. since when is war a disqualifier ?
mircea_popescu: a.s. neil is perhaps the dumbest guy i read this year
mircea_popescu: No one is wise enough or good enough to mould the character of any child
An adult generation that has seen two great wars and seems about to launch a third should not be trusted to mould the character of a rat.
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mircea_popescu: ;;google society for putting things on top of other things
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: ;;google site:trilema.com live to be a millionaire << shit i wrote that ?! in another decade trilema'll be new reading to me too ;/
mircea_popescu: dude i think kako is like the funniest guy here.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: the investors will make a KLIPPING << ahahaha
mircea_popescu: justlurking: yep, starting my 6 month indoctrination thanks to pete << hey there.
assbot: I was considering bidding on the seized SR bitcoin, but I think I'll just wait for the US Marshals to tweet the private keys to the winners.
Mats_cd03: asks q then leaves while i type response
asciilifeform: war chest is there, to everyone's satisfaction, i imagine
decimation: still, to me it seems like you need to get a few of these to "fail" so you can build up a war chest as a credible counterparty
decimation: well, the seller of said tickets will be enriched ... :)
decimation: I guess they are tickets to a show that never happened
mircea_popescu: but otherwise, yes.
decimation: I'm confused about who the counterparty is
decimation: this is true. the amusing thing to me is that Obama rose with the new left under Maoism... and China today embraces (in action, not words) Chinese nationalism and rejects Mao
mircea_popescu: that's basically how it's gonna look. welcoming questions as to the contract etc.
asciilifeform: decimation: the middle kingdom != la serenissima. they'll be buying rice with paper yuans.
decimation: when the usians are trading golden yuan pieces in a few decades they will remember this bit of history
decimation: when visiting, I discovered that Sun Yat Sen went to the same school as... Obama
decimation: on Maui there is a statue to Sun Yet-Sen in an obscure park: http://gohawaii.about.com/od/mauisights/ig/sun_yat_sen_park/
asciilifeform: not sure how long singapore will last as other than chinese colony after u.s. navy is unplugged
decimation: well, yes, today. but I would wager that if you exchanged the populations of hawaii and singapore, it wouldn't look that way for long
asciilifeform: otherwise it's a pisshole. (try finding an industrial vendor who will even ship there)
decimation: When I was in Hawaii last week I thought about this w.r.t. Hawaii. They own one of the most strategic islands on earth
decimation: the us had something like that a few decades ago, still coasting on its output
asciilifeform: - that being, six generations of people willing to work into the grave for a cup of rice
decimation: it's true that it's much easier to get nitric acid when the nitric acid factory has been pumping it out two states away for a few decades
decimation: This goes back to the warez - they seem like the answer to all your short term problems, but in the long run just get you hooked on the infrastructure
asciilifeform: get 50 rail cars of synthesis-grade nitric acid with brain.
asciilifeform: industrial civilization doesn't get birthed from coffee shop (as discussed in one of mp's essays?)
decimation: the thing I don't understand ascii is that it's clear that russia has the brainpower to make alternatives
assbot: ClubOrlov: The Madness of President Putin
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2014/03/the-madness-of-president-putin.html << herr orlov on pussyriot etc
decimation: "decimation got really hot an' bothered watching cussacks beat on lanky ukrainian teenagers" << not really my cup of tea, but relevant
mircea_popescu: and all day long they held syndicate meetings to criticise me for being a whore
mircea_popescu: the russians : omg this was awful. all night long they took turns fucking me in all the holes
mircea_popescu: the french : oh, Leo, Lea, Elie
mircea_popescu: the english : well... we were never introduced, so we just read the newspapers all week. it was fuckign boring.
mircea_popescu: for this purpose, they sequester one woman and two men for a week, then interview them,
mircea_popescu: decimation got really hot an' bothered watching cussacks beat on lanky ukrainian teenagers, is nao off to molest wife
asciilifeform: going back to russia/industry: according to 'hardcore' russian folks, the west deprived the nation of crucial natural resource - one still abundant in, e.g. china. of course they aren't talking about lanthanides, but... girls who will birth half a dozen kids and work in factory without toilet breaks
BingoBoingo: Seems the solution is to have enough girls to sleep with girl while girl guards door with rifle
mircea_popescu: no but i mean, gimme something actionable as per the plan you laid out above.
asciilifeform: the kind who 'dies just once'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: my understanding - fellow with a contract on his head should perhaps sleep with rifle. the one without contract - with girl. whether 4kw fridge, bk0010, etc. is batshit - or genius - depends on which box russia sits in
decimation: skip to 2:05 to watch Cossacks beat them
decimation: well, he certainly want to encourage fertility, and sending the message that it's okay for russian women to aspire to childless eat pray love isn't the way to get there
mircea_popescu: or who knows, maybe he's personally dumb on the score i guess.
decimation: so it would seem that putin is also sending a message about women by caging them
mircea_popescu: but the thing still is what it is : nude chicks in a badly abused, utterly frigid, compulsively conservatory society.
mircea_popescu: maybe some derps somewhere HOPE that they may embed their message this way, much like radio advertisers hope paying for the radio makes you buy coca cola
decimation: but they parrot and derp about equality, femenism, etc
mircea_popescu: decimation not what i meant. what i means was, the proposition that somehow girls naked in the street are tools of the us bezzle. it's ludicrous.
decimation: I agree that the notions of puritanical modesty are hilarious. I was born in an old school Lutheran hospital (now closed) - my birth certificate's seal shows a doctor pulling a baby out of a vagina
mircea_popescu: but otherwise... lol.
mircea_popescu: purest historical accident. i can understand why us-ians would believe it, because they love to believe themselves relevant
mircea_popescu: at any rate, the notion that sensuality and the puritan caging thereof as displayed by the us (and uk before that) are in any way related...
mircea_popescu: it... still hasn't happened. the oppressed minority is still an oppressed minority.
mircea_popescu: you know these liniar projections never work.
asciilifeform: decimation: because last i checked, the entire place converts to tajikistan in <100yrs.
mircea_popescu: the best thing for moscow today is if the rich kids started taking the girls nude on leashes on novskiwhateveritscalled
assbot: 'Dying' Russia's Birth Rate Is Now Higher Than The United States' - Forbes
decimation: http://www.forbes.com/sites/markadomanis/2013/07/25/dying-russias-birth-rate-is-now-higher-than-the-united-states/
asciilifeform doesn't live there now, but definitely gets it. if you grow up in ussr, '45 never really ends
asciilifeform: pentium is great. but 'bk-0010' would've still been there.
mircea_popescu: and so the ak-47 shaped spatulas, 18lbs of solid pig iron
asciilifeform: good to occasionally hug things that aren't the rifle, also
asciilifeform: sorta like the kind of fellow everyone must know, that got back from afghan and sleeps hugging his rifle, does nothing as hobby but clean and oil it, cycles the bolt at the slightest noise in the house
asciilifeform: gotta understand the mentality.
asciilifeform: 4kw fridge. that the germans, swedes, whoever, can't blackmail you with by withholding
mircea_popescu: every single piece of automotive machinery, from cars to trains, airplanes and anything else, that uses too much fuel to be economically usable is either russian make or russian design
asciilifeform: lenin suggested that the west 'will sell you the rope to hang it with.' not sure if this can be meant literally - could russia buy working nukes from the targets?
asciilifeform: was crap << complicated. if you want sovereignty - gotta crank out the hardware, best as you can.
decimation: yeah when you have a traubant factory that employs 50,000 people things are not going to work out well in the long run
mircea_popescu: now, its owners had the unmitigated idiocy of not keeping proper capital on hand.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the russian industry, such as it was, was crap. it was going to get sold for scrap anyway.
asciilifeform: the objective - entirely non-monetary - ensure that russian industry gets sawn apart for metals - was achieved.
decimation: the elite did, kind of
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is rather like supposing that russia (default of late 90s) raped us banks
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't quite see it. so far, they got 50 bn or so, not paying it back
asciilifeform: decimation: start with the soviet mistake (circa mid-70s) of scrapping their own (interesting! e.g. trinary!) comp. research and deciding to copy western archs - e.g. pdp
decimation: ascii why don't the russians get into electronics/computer manufacturing? have they managed to chase away the talent?
mircea_popescu: (to add to the humour, in romanian "being pepsi" pretty much means being fucked up)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i can't rightfully say china is 'immovable object.' if you care to try 'irresistible force' there, we'll watch, cheer.
decimation: http://don-colacho.blogspot.com/2010/01/30.html When people stop fighting for the possession of private property, they will fight for the usufruct in collective property.
mircea_popescu: or maybe they do.
mircea_popescu: whoredom is heavily tilted in the direction of blondes, yet any girl i train can top any brothel she wants.
asciilifeform: or otherwise 'have problems'
asciilifeform: they'll do buisiness, yes. and at some point, your operation takes off, you find your factory nationalized.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform everytrhing has its exceptions. what do i care what the statistics are ?
decimation: the original text isn't. click on a link and see the original: http://don-colacho.blogspot.com/2011/02/2862.html
asciilifeform: chinese 'WoT' (like in other asian nations) is very heavily tilted in direction of blood relation
decimation: mircea, I suspect the sayings of don colacho would be an excellent way to brush up on spanish: http://don-colacho.blogspot.com/
mircea_popescu: i've yet to have a problem with getting in the wot.
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mircea_popescu: not on their turf, anyway.
mircea_popescu: so then because of your dependency on azn manufacturers you conceivably want your business run there
decimation: there is a point to that. If you could become legally "untouchable" for a few $100k in bribes to the right people, that's of significant value
decimation: well, it certianly isn't down the street from hong kong
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: In any worthwhile endeavor the highest cost belongs to becoming initiated
asciilifeform: because not one of these actually contains everything you need for the production line
mircea_popescu: but if you want that, why the fuck would you not be in malaysia or russia.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo it is not the place of start-ups to sponsor anyway
asciilifeform: Ar, india, etc. look cheap to the uninitiated.
BingoBoingo: I like how Bitpay couldn't even sponsor a game in a stadium actually suited to the sport.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what was looking cheap in the first place, or what were we saying ?
asciilifeform: doesn't look quite so cheap then, no?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: consider benkay's point. if i have to wrap sample pcbs in benjamins to get them through customs, this ought to be considered a cost of doing business in Ar
mircea_popescu: how people can be this stupid still amazes me. i mean sure, forum derps, okay, they're all by themselves.
mircea_popescu: today in the news, pretend you're a corp, pretend you've got 30mn investment, fail to have any pr whatsoever.
mircea_popescu: for something like importing machinery, definitely the former.
asciilifeform: don't know how to ask << makes a difference if this is a fixable condition (know who to pay off, etc) or more difficult (have the correct uncle)
BingoBoingo: Yeah they did
mircea_popescu: http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--1bXIe06V--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/w33uouiq516gt1btjhjt.jpg << lol they dug upo that old gallippi pic did they
mircea_popescu: much like, you want to pick up a chick. no go, because... passport the wrong color ? notrly.
mircea_popescu: instead of doing what i fucking tell them to do.
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal: noooo way ?<< yes way. these are the fuckwits that want to be involved as adults
asciilifeform: anything fucktarder muricans do gets stalled << whatever the reason - let's say benkay or i need to get a crate of strange through Ar door. no go, because passport is wrong color. or this is disinfo ?
decimation: yeah, you could say that we are ruled by non-men, as opposed to men, because laws cannot rule anyone by themselves
mircea_popescu: the cockless dickheads rule.
mircea_popescu: decimation the problem with trying to promote a system of "laws not men" is that ONLY men can rule. and so under the guise of "laws not men" that keeps actual men away
BingoBoingo: I'm still realling that the Bitpay bought one of the most expensive and lowest return forms of advertising.
mircea_popescu: this is because nobody can stand them.
mircea_popescu: benkay: the word i got was that large, tech-heavy equipment gets stalled at the border. << anything fucktarder muricans do gets stalled everywhgere.
decimation: so you often complain about the 'rule of law not men'
mircea_popescu: us citizens, as subjects of the usg.
decimation: well, derp derp who cares what the opinion of usg employees are
mircea_popescu: the entire "attainder" thing is the result of internet fucktards opining on matters. i wouldn't repeat it.
asciilifeform: decimation: no law involved - in the usual sense
mircea_popescu: not to property (the so called process "in rem", eminent domain, a whole list)
decimation: what's the difference between making a law condeming joe to death, vs a law that condemns the redskins trademark to death?
asciilifeform: e.g. the authority of the past N years, when the trademark was legal - where is it now.
mircea_popescu: what law allows the office to randomly re-register trademarks ?
asciilifeform: decimation: this is a more interesting event than appears at first. they just zapped 'stare decisis'
mircea_popescu: but the thing is... this wasn't being registered.
decimation: Federal trademark law does not permit registration of trademarks that ?may disparage? individuals or groups or ?bring them into contempt or disrepute.?
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decimation: re: redskins trademark cancellation : http://theden.tv/2014/06/18/u-s-patent-and-trade-office-cancels-disparaging-redskins-trademark/
decimation: teachers "pay" by being unable to actually practice their craft (see my above link)
decimation: why do those people deserve to be sheltered from the harshness of reality?
BingoBoingo: In the location I'm looking at $3.2 k/year rents a ten minute walk from work, no roomates, because they are horrible for opsec
asciilifeform: there's a reason, for example, why e.g. a spammer will 'work 16 hours a day to make money while he sleeps'
decimation: people don't want to do those calculations - they know the truth and they don't want to face it
asciilifeform: then see who is rich, who is a pauper
asciilifeform: likewise, subtract any money you are forced to spend (e.g. google man must pay $50k/yr, say, to live within 2 hrs. drive of the plant) from your salary.
asciilifeform: e.g. if you have to drive a car to the plant, start the 'clock' from when you turn the ignition key
asciilifeform: i often say to people, that they should calculate their salary per minute of doing-something-they'd-rather-not
asciilifeform: d co-authors continue. Academic science is only one such market; other familiar examples include rock music, professional sports, and national politics. '
asciilifeform: 'One of various ways of organizing work that economists have identified, a tournament market "offers participants the chance of winning a big prize--an independent research career, tenure, a named chair, scientific renown, awards--through competition," writes Richard Freeman and co-authors. Tournament markets amplify "small differences in productivity into large differences in recognition and reward," Freeman an
decimation: yeah, I was reading greenspun last night and I thought of you - his post about the low quality of rentals available to citizens
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decimation: Of course, there is a "power law" effect in these kinds of things - only the best guys make bank, the rest deminish exponentially
asciilifeform: decimation: kanzure is a friend of a good chum of mine. as i understand, he made 'fuck you money' in one of the last 'dotcom' bubbles and wanders around the world.
decimation: all the numbers I've see from the bay area companies show that senior engineers are making maybe $150k
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It turns out that the cure to an American "Liberal Arts" education is resenting the part where you live on dry noodles.
decimation: Everyone at our school knows who Dylan is. He comes and goes to lessons as he pleases, habitually swears at teachers, and is an accomplished playground bully. ... I was surprised to hear Dylan?s name announced. He had collected one of the largest amounts of ?reward stickers? in year seven, and was due to collect a prize. Many teachers, it turned out, had taken to bribing him with these stickers in a desperate attempt to appease his
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BingoBoingo: In about 12 hours I have an interview for a job in the bezzel economy, so pumped
asciilifeform: likewise, your design will go straight to the chicoms, who will produce it at their pleasure.
asciilifeform: (if unpackaged - have fun welding the gold whiskers on yourself)
asciilifeform: decimation: crucial details missing. e.g. turnaround, yield (% working), whether they package the dies
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Of course. It would either be the last great way to profit from mining or an loss, magnitude to be determined
assbot: Planet Analog - Brian Bailey - Mohamed Kassem: Q&A With the Company Founder
decimation: http://www.planetanalog.com/author.asp?section_id=519 "MK: The cost is going to be dependent on the process technology, but let's assume it can be in 0.35 or 0.18. Most designs are probably going to be done for about $500 plus silicon costs which could be in the hundreds or low thousands of dollars. You will get your chips in about eight to ten weeks."
decimation: yeah the problem is that even if you could get a chip made for free, the cost of reasonable tools to make reasonable designs are prohibative
asciilifeform: decimation: $500 << do they also have a bridge we can buy ?
asciilifeform: decimation: these are a dime a dozen. not very useful for fpga work, as the latter have proprietary pieces that, if you do not use, leave you with a monstrously bloated design that fits nowhere.
decimation: supposed these people will make you a chip for ~$500 https://www.efabless.com/ - long on hype and short on details though
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BingoBoingo: Yeah. Hatfill's current plans are interesting though now that he has extracted money from the gasenwagen's cheerleaders
asciilifeform: scandal was pinned on the corpse. case closed.