BingoBoingo: Never though for the cause of "I want less to be the shiniest specialest person on the team"
mike_c: well, salary isn't their total income. they can make more in aggregate by being on a winning team (endorsements, etc.)
BingoBoingo: It isn't unheard of for athletes to take less money, but it always happens when the contract has expired or when they want to negotiate for more years at less money per year.
mircea_popescu: i guess they must be
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well... in most of the US maintaining water delivery infrastructure is a low priority... Lead pipes are a menace not unlike aluminium mains wiring
mircea_popescu: also in the news, http://37.media.tumblr.com/99316fc4d80511b4d7ea955e66ff9874/tumblr_n19n9ml8KO1t3904qo1_500.jpg
mircea_popescu: ahahaha WHAT THE FUCK
mircea_popescu: "This could be LeBron positioning himself to re-sign with the Heat at a discounted rate so they can build a better team around him"
BingoBoingo: "At this point, we don't know anything about LeBron's plans other than the fact that he is opting out of his current contract. This doesn't necessarily mean that he is bolting Miami for another team. This could be LeBron positioning himself to re-sign with the Heat at a discounted rate so they can build a better team around him, and it could even be the first step in the elaborate bring-Melo-to-Miami scheme that was reportedly bei
BingoBoingo: OMG watch out the Lebron BitBet http://deadspin.com/lebronapocalypse-1595238462/+tcberman not much action so far... http://bitbet.us/bet/960/lebron-james-to-take-his-talents-elsewhere/?ref=16wAZSsL8BFNFM8WCsrE8pwwFkhDErWiok
assbot: Great /DLind cardstack on the recent wave of child migrants coming to the US to escape violence in Central America. http://t.co/AHt2wdLXy3
assbot: Comedy silver, or: The only people more delusional than bitcoiners are litecoiners. : Buttcoin
pankkake: http://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/28ykrp/comedy_silver_or_the_only_people_more_delusional/
BingoBoingo: pankkake: Honestly there is only one way to investigate such claims
pankkake: looks scientific enough. I'd they less than 90% though
pankkake: Quoting numerous recent red head studies published in The Lancet, the ASA did confirm that red heads do in fact have souls, the carpet matches 90% of the time, most red heads hate when ‘red headed slut’ shots are ordered for them, and yes they truly are amazing in bed.
pankkake: http://tech.slashdot.org/story/14/06/24/1228223/google-building-a-domain-registration-service The Internet soon to be renamed The Google
moiety: just a creepy weirdo in the extended family i have never met Mats_cd03 rather just block it than cause problems
Mats_cd03: fending off the boys moiety?
BingoBoingo proposes an excelent exercise for anyone wanting to test their organic chemistry knowledge, cleaning another person's bathroom.
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kakobrekla: on android you can go step beyond that so the caller will get a dropped line
moiety: asciilifeform: it's only one number though, i don't want to miss other messages
BingoBoingo: moiety: I'm telling sharpie in the pooper... blackmail... peace
moiety: its texts that are the problem so far
moiety: mines not an android but rather than change my number i thought i would just get an android. i like my number but i cant get rid of this creep
moiety: can you block numbers entirely on android or just filter the texts to some inbox you never go into?
assbot: Great /DLind cardstack on the recent wave of child migrants coming to the US to escape violence in Central America. http://t.co/AHt2wdLXy3
BingoBoingo: Scammers rarely compete with hard targets though when they can spz. an advantage.
BingoBoingo: The right choice should only have to be Tradefartress vs. Dooglus. Not Dooglus vs. politically correct mathzors
Namworld: The owner being trustworthy only impacts risk of fleeing with users' balance.
BingoBoingo: Namworld: You pick an implementation based on the choices the person who implemented it made. If you really want to roll dice you pick the most "fair" system.
Namworld: The scheme provided itself is the reliability of the site. It either is poor or is strong. Regardless if the owner is untrustworthy or trustworthy.
Namworld: it has nothing to do with implementor's reliability and it has all to do with hard maths and frequency of verification on the user's part.
Apocalyptic: "the point I want to make is his use of the phrase "powerful encryption". There is no such thing. There's only two types of encryption, that which works and that which doesn't" // a fact that still eludes some people
BingoBoingo: Essentially all provably fair schemes come down to an evaluation of the implementor's reliability.
Namworld: I think he mentioned at some point the provably fair system for PrimeDice would be modified for a 4th version of the website, but eh
Namworld: It basically doesn't provide any verifiable results unless you change client seed manually before each bet. Which is incredibly poor practice. No user will want to manually change their secret before each bet and type a new random string.
Namworld: I'll admit a 100% flawless system is probably not possible... but the PrimeDice implementation is far from even being half-right.
Namworld: Because they'd be cheating before the rolls with proper seeds provided. Which means they wouldn't need to alter bet parameters after the fact or provide a roll number that doesn't match the seeds.
Namworld: With PrimeDice, if you don't change your client seed before each roll, you could verify every parameter after the bet, see if anything was changed or if seeds match with the roll. It will check out fine, even if PrimeDice cheats.
Namworld: Yes, but then even if only a small portion checks their bets, it would get caught. Even if a site did it only 1% of the time, it would quickly be discovered.
BingoBoingo: Namworld: Well, a casino operator could "take a gamble" by offering a player a result to the player's detriment that is not provably fair
Namworld: You can't change to 1.1% without changed the target number/giving the wrong number for the roll.
Namworld: Because then rolls wouldn't match?
BingoBoingo: "Provably fair" is a tool to mitigate the risk.
pankkake: this has been discussed some time ago; one solution can be to use future block hashes as part of the server seed, however it delays the result
BingoBoingo: One party is always by their nature going to be situated better to fuck the person across the table.
BingoBoingo: The thing about "provably fair" is that like all other transactions it is an offer from one party to another.
Namworld: But there's not much way around it.
Apocalyptic: he knows the server seed
Namworld: This is poor because the system needs to be so that a minority checking bets will catch the cheating for everyone.
Namworld: At least for players that don't change their client seed before each roll, which is going to be the majority of players.
Namworld: "Only way to cheat would be altering bet parameters after the fact to keep matching seeds and rolls, which is completly noticable if even a few users tracks their bets."
Namworld: Technically I think there's many smaller places that gives a new server seed before each bet... but that's a poor system.
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BingoBoingo: Provably fair should be so far below the minimum.
BingoBoingo: Provably fair ought to be the bare minimum. It is a shame people consider themselvesserious without it.
Namworld: Yeah, as I said, a properly done provably fair system doesn't prevent cheating/stealing. It just makes it impossible to do without the possibility of getting caught.
BingoBoingo remembers TradeFortress constantly advocating beautiful provably fair systems and just... Running with the money...
penguirker: New blog post: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/06/24/choosing-a-linux-desktop-environment-for-newbs-and-n00bs/
punkman: the interface is horrible too
Namworld: I'm saying PrimeDice implementation is poor. They could be cheating right now, it would be impossible to notice, even if everyone verified and tracked all their bets.
Namworld: Only way to cheat would be altering bet parameters after the fact to keep matching seeds and rolls, which is completly noticable if even a few users tracks their bets.
Namworld: or even better, like Coinroll, use predisclosed hash of daily secret for everyone. Not alterable. Then client seed is BTC deposit tx ID, so we don't provide a default seed for the client.
Namworld: Like provide new server seed only when asked for and reveal old one. Then change client seed.
Namworld: There are ways to do it that you can just keep betting and even if the site cheated even only 1 out of 100 bets, there needs only a few people to track a few hundred bets to start discovering unfairness.
Namworld: The thing is, they give a new server seed for each bet. Guess what they can do if you don't change your client seed before each bet?
Namworld: because you can still change the client seed before each bet, making it provably fair. The problem is if you don't, you can be cheated and it's impossible to get caught.
pankkake: why are they so dumb?
punkman: is PrimeDice the biggest dice now?
Namworld: Or as a competitor, should I leave that to others? hmm...
Namworld: So, PrimeDice still isn't provably fair... Should I bother calling Stunna on it until he fixes it?
moiety: right off to argue withthem again, thanks all, back in a wee bit - again
moiety: the guys head is going to melt when i give him that sentence, i can feel it
punkman: just ask for the manager or something, clerks got nothing to do but argue
moiety: cus you can't remove them
moiety: im not worried about it breaking, its in the original packaging it was sent to me in
moiety: BingoBoingo: cus of packaging, i cant attach it to anything. but the batteries are contained inside the thing, just like it would be if it were in a laptop already
punkman: why'd you tell them it's a battery?
moiety: punkman, only got one here. i think i'll just go shout at them a bit
moiety: post office is arguing with me. to send batteries internationally, they need to be attached to the device. an external mac battery is fine isn't it... because it IS the device, right?
punkman: http://www.bostonglobe.com/ideas/2014/06/07/the-vanished-grandeur-accounting/3zcbRBoPDNIryWyNYNMvbO/story.html
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pankkake: http://news.slashdot.org/story/14/06/23/184252/the-bursting-social-media-advertising-bubble
BingoBoingo: All of them do that
BingoBoingo: There is nothing wrong with a vagina that can create a large space.
BingoBoingo: punkman: I really dunno. Occasionally it seems the random mix of writers hollywood gathers occasionally develops a concept well.
punkman: is it that good writers don't wanna go to hollywood, or is it that the guild beats them up and deports them when they do?
BingoBoingo: punkman: Are you sure they are giving her Botox and not MTPT?
assbot: GOOOOOAAAAAAAALLLLLL! | The Economist
punkman: why don't they buy her a car
BingoBoingo: Hashpower is the worst
Apocalyptic: indeed, everyone expecting the hoppers' selloff most likely
xmj: yeah, improbable - they usually fly A319 or 320 -without WiFi
fluffypony: xmj: I had on the flight here, but from FRA to TLN I don't think so
xmj: fluffypony: do you have wifi on the plane?
moiety: they are giving us all these different little bins for different recycling here.. in scotland.. they will just blow about ... into things... causing damage... unsure i can take the stress
fluffypony: the conference only starts on Thursday
BingoBoingo: Gives the trees character!
moiety: i have been searching for the least windy place to live
BingoBoingo: sub 100mph doesn't really make the news unless it spins
mircea_popescu: shithole of the world :D
BingoBoingo: Ah, hail's the thing that happens here at least annually and depresses motor vehicle prices
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo not that familiar, no. besides, it shoul;dn't really be seaside weather.
moiety: i didn't even know there was such a thing, was just reading about it. how has it improved?
BingoBoingo: So... GNU Gnash seems to have improved quite a bit these past couple weeks.
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BingoBoingo: Despite Barricellis pioneering experiments, barely anyone remembers him. I have not heard of him to tell you the truth, says Mark Bedau, professor of humanities and philosophy at Reed College and editor of the journal Artificial Life. I probably know more about the history than most in the field and Im not aware of him. http://nautil.us/issue/14/mutation/meet-the-father-of-digital-life
moiety: cats don't seem to grow like dogs either. as in reaching a certain size at a certain age and stopping. mine have kept growing (albeit slowly) until mid-age
moiety: just at any point before they need both arms to pick it up BB
assbot: File:Cat-MaineCoon-Cookie.png - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
BingoBoingo: So a friend adopted a kitten, looks like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Cat-MaineCoon-Cookie.png hasn't stopped growing yet. I'm wondering when to break the news...
moiety: true they are so fragile D;
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: not so sure about this. ferals tend to be small - probably adaptive, considering the food supply
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: give it another two decades, and you'll find them among the other ferals
BingoBoingo: It probably should have been if they paniced like that
asciilifeform: (they thought it was man-eating)
moiety: to the *
moiety: i shall ride the shops on it
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asciilifeform: who holds the record?
moiety: BingoBoingo: ah yes thats the mid-sex-change dramatis lilyius. a testing pillar of "my ghetto"
asciilifeform: size issue << this is for the 'farmer' to solve via the usual means (artificial insemination)
moiety: i think with felis and panthera we come into a size issue?
asciilifeform: a felis that can breed with some panthera
asciilifeform: i.e. does there exist 'bridge cat'
asciilifeform: likewise panthera
asciilifeform: moiety: sure, they look quite different. but normally 'species' is defined as a set of individuals which can interbreed.
BingoBoingo: Except maybe the cheetah with it's canid features. Might not hybridize well.
moiety: asciilifeform: yes, i believe so. like the bobcat we were discussing. or manuls. they are fundementally different from others.. eg manuls have round pupils
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: That is the very interesting question. I dunno if cats meaningfully have "species"
moiety: i miss btc .. this crowd is making me lose sanity/... oh was that the beep i heard?
asciilifeform: moiety: a question that's been bugging me for years: are there actually distinct species (in the biologist's sense) of cat.
BingoBoingo: moiety: I just popped on, was I think you should just unilaterally switch the site to altcoin and change the mascots to Manuls
moiety: christ, who's been bothering you? obviously don't know us that well lol
BingoBoingo: moiety: From your ghetto "BingoB you you need meet chi so the two of you can talk about mauls for days"
BingoBoingo: Of course you the decreases the value of feral cats. Useful ferals like useful farm cats need to catch vermin
moiety: someone in the extended family has a pregnant cat.. i may be forced to rehome a small being shortly
moiety: and the only ones that could migrate were those uphill that could roll
moiety: what if they got too fat to mate?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: That's the interesting problem
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: doesn't work - they multiply
assbot: The Temple Operating System
BingoBoingo: Comments from the loper blog now make me think of http://www.templeos.org/Wb/Accts/TS/Wb2/TempleOS.html when I think of successors to the ancient Mac OS legacy
BingoBoingo: One dilema I ponder on sometimes is whether the beauty of the ancient macs was due to the talent of the developers, or due to the beauty of 68k assembly.
BingoBoingo: I've never really done much with C though, haven't done anything with C on an ancient Mac. Problems that tend to push me to finally string together some code tend to be further up the stack.
BingoBoingo: That's a good question. I actually don't know if there are any good tools for it.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Hypercard usually. There's bound to be better tools, but... It tends to work for ancient Mac things
BingoBoingo: Points got to West Virgina where "West Virginia University Hospitals, Inc." is the largest company based there by revenue
BingoBoingo: http://sploid.gizmodo.com/what-the-biggest-companies-are-from-each-state-in-the-u-1595079772/+caseychan
BingoBoingo: mike_c: on the one hand, casinos have been around since.. forever. on the other, JD volume has been dropping. << I imagine this is another natural part of having harder money.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> wow check that out, it just HAILED in BA << Is hail not a familiar mode of weather for you?
mircea_popescu: http://31.media.tumblr.com/a4d84c288cd8b25771b067c683a6f682/tumblr_n1qm9sBhgH1t1ja2oo1_400.gif have a prize then
TheNewDeal: that's like the exact opposite of "didn't"
TheNewDeal: tell me what type of ass is featured in the webpage
gribble: BingoBoingo was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 7 hours, 15 minutes, and 39 seconds ago: <BingoBoingo> benkay: Wait till you get to the comments
asciilifeform: perhaps in japan. where they seem to remember the appeal of 'machine that does one thing well.'
asciilifeform: jurov: you must mean something other than the keyboard already found on that machine ?
asciilifeform: i always found it interesting how much functionality one... loses by rolling a 'general purpose' computer into a product. not even concerning security and the like.
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asciilifeform found out that japan still makes hardware 'word processors.' mindfuck of the day.
asciilifeform: build the radiation dome, fill with breathable air, impale the capital controls idiots, etc
mircea_popescu: no they just don't like tight cona
mircea_popescu: they could just post on reddit.
benkay: well they still have to work their asses off to hire both the managers and those who toil under the managers.
mircea_popescu: benkay im sure they do, because with their great reputation there's a bunch of smart, qualified people wanting to work for them.
benkay: <mircea_popescu> jborkl winkleloss #1 and #2 right ? // they actually *hire* managers, if you'd believe it.
jborkl: nm got the "found by" online now just have to fill in a few blanks
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal you know mthreat is in argentina right ?
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal what did I do!
TheNewDeal: he's joining the MP crowd in LaArgentina?
mike_c: on the one hand, casinos have been around since.. forever. on the other, JD volume has been dropping.
mthreat: ya, then take loans
jborkl: finished up the "block found by" and I will be putting that online tomorrow
TheNewDeal: scratch that, bringing the laptop and making this a party
gribble: The operation succeeded.
TheNewDeal: gotta go scout the hotel happy hour
assbot: I just ran into a fellow /hashtag/bitcoin?src=hash-assets user at /hashtag/porcfest?src=hash! That's worth a +2 in the /hashtag/WoT?src=hash. http://t.co/oI2PHHgK6u
assbot: BitBet - And Then There Was One :: 7.59 B (56%) on Yes, 5.94 B (44%) on No | closing in 4 months 3 weeks | weight: 39`983 (100`000 to 1)
pankkake: btw: http://bitbet.us/bet/617/and-then-there-was-one/?ref=1Eck6cgGzEb9N42CFhcsCBQhZQStoJbHRK
bitcoinpete: fluffypony: getting there ;)
bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: i'm off for today and i look forward to hearing from you on the costa rica bet. it would make a lovely birthday present!
mircea_popescu: fluffypony it's in the logs ya
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: like the whole investment withdrawn?
ThickAsThieves: mike_c seeds.therealaltcoin.org is now set up as CNAME 54.197.241.190 - I don't think it's propagated yet tho
FabianB: hm. there was no bitbet for jd closure
fluffypony: she's at home with the 6 dogs
rithm: ah the bag o nuts
mircea_popescu: business class + irc = no loner matters how long the flight is
ThickAsThieves: <+mike_c> so ThickAsThieves, if you put a nameserver record in your DNS (NS, not an A record) pointing seeds.therealaltcoin.org at 54.197.241.190 // Having trouble finding where to do this in Namecheap... bear with me
jurov: "the Polish-US alliance isn't worth anything"
bitcoinpete: "“The Americans are taking good care of our gold,” Norbert Barthle, the budget spokesman for Merkel’s Christian Democratic bloc in parliament, said in an interview. "
bitcoinpete: “Objectively, there’s absolutely no reason for mistrust.”
asciilifeform: right - banned there
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: '...enforce their superiority over the popular guards' << http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-02-2014&bots=true#511301
mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete even if there's some sort of daylight savings time stuff, its 17;00 gmt at the latest, the bet is half hour or so after close
mircea_popescu: like going to work in a brothel as a rpude
mircea_popescu: sucks, you know, to go to a place of learning for the purpose of not learning
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'operating systems' and 'compilers' (traditionally considered the gnarliest subjects in the department, outside of the required maths) were already optional and barely attended.
assbot: BitBet - Costa Rica will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage :: 0.41 B (35%) on Yes, 0.75 B (65%) on No | closed 2 days 17 hours ago
mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/921/costa-rica-will-advance-from-the-2014-world/#b11 this one you mean ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: '...bright young men that hadnt gone though the compiler and complexity modules of their CS programme' << i actually watched the beginnings of this change at my uni. various things were made optional, and the audiences became 'pocket sized'
assbot: BitBet - Costa Rica will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage :: 0.41 B (35%) on Yes, 0.75 B (65%) on No | closed 2 days 17 hours ago
bitcoinpete: costa rica won the game
bitcoinpete: with >30' of play remaining in the game
bitcoinpete: the bet was confirmed
bitcoinpete: in the 55th minute, give or take a few, a bet was placed that costa rica would win the match and therefore advance
bitcoinpete: there are 3 games in the opening round, though it's possible to advance after only two games
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: '...know better than to get involved with the armed retinue of a lord...' << see interesting example - the private army of gazprom (said to contain own tank corps, aviation, etc.) - nobody fucks with it, scarcely anyone even mentions it.
bitcoinpete: kakobrekla: can either of your adjudicate?
davout: never met the dude
davout: kakobrekla: the owner is!
kakobrekla: they arent even french.
kakobrekla: >>FUCK YOU BITFINEX YOU FILTHY FRONT RUNNING FAKE VOLUME THIEVING FUCKING FRENCH CUNTS! WHERE WAS THE 50 BTC ORDER THAT WAS RIGHT BEHIND MY FUCKING STOP LOSS YOU FUCKING ROBBING RAT BASTARDS!"
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kakobrekla: bitcoinpete i dun think theres any hardcoded rule, mods call it and then you can bitch about it here
mike_c: you can probably dig it up with the fancy new search tool.
bitcoinpete: i don't recall, was there a consensus following that conversation?
bitcoinpete: that's the scenario here