a111: Logged on 2018-10-23 15:40 asciilifeform: in other noose, 178.238.224.213 ( by all indications, does not contain a public node of any kind ) has been spamming randomly generated blox, incl. to zoolag, at the rate of 5-10 erry sec
asciilifeform: in other lulz: yet another http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-23#1865380 found, 165.227.138.176
a111: Logged on 2018-10-23 17:07 asciilifeform: meanwhile, in heathen lulz, https://archive.is/B9hHc#selection-9797.129-9817.37 << ye olde lukejr, 'http://therealbitcoin.org (which is NOT a full node, mind you)'
mats: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-23#1865399 << reply from buterin: 'You guys should train users to take an active role in governance and keep their software up to date by having more hard forks.'
jurov: mod6: BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: and everyone - therealbitcoin btc-dev mailing list is now working on the Foundation's server. You should have got an announcement,
BingoBoingo: And the input box is a turd
BingoBoingo: It's twitter. The only way to win is Trumpisms
asciilifeform: and modern tech makes it possible to avoid the traditional fatal boojums connected with otpism.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> meanwhile, in heathen lulz, https://archive.is/B9hHc#selection-9797.129-9817.37 << ye olde lukejr, 'http://therealbitcoin.org (which is NOT a full node, mind you)' << Has been addressed. Turns out I STILL haven't been banned (likely from not using the thing) https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/1054795688679272450
Mocky: the simplicity of otp is appealing, and knowing that no one is sitting on a back door
asciilifeform: imho the synchronous variant is preferable, when the underlying physical link permits it .
asciilifeform: in an asynchronous scheme, you gotta explicitly divide the pad in halves, one for a->b and one for b->a, so as to exclude any possibility of either end making use of a block of pad that may have already been made use of by other side meanwhile.
asciilifeform: nao if you really must have an asynchronous link ( for e.g. delivery on carrier pigeons, or somesuch ) you can have sequence #s. but still must have authenticator mechanism similar to above, or enemy can force your pad forward by sending crapola.
asciilifeform: each side obtains proof that the other actually received and correctly decrypted a block, prior to sending another.
asciilifeform: the idea being, that nobody lacking a copy of the pad can cause you to wind yours forward.
Mocky: hows the ack look like, a hash?
asciilifeform: the link, being a physical object, can be disrupted by enemy, but there's nuffin anybody without a copy of the pads can productively do to the traveling bits.
asciilifeform: simple scheme, for example: 512 byte pad blocks; 1st 64 bytes are reserved for a-b keccak salt, last 64 bytes -- b->a salt, 384 in the middle for payload pad. say 'a' starts the convo: sends c = 384byte-plaintext xor 384byte pad . followed by h = keccak(a->b salt + c ). then he expects an ack in the form of keccak(b->a salt + c ) before he winds forward to next block.
Mocky: is the last ciphered block stored on disk?
asciilifeform: that way you dun have to send block #s, or to risk the endpoints getting out of sync.
asciilifeform: Mocky: you'd want the link to be fully synchronous
asciilifeform: you only decrypt and wind forward the pad if the auth hash matches the expected one for the block salt.
asciilifeform: the 1 slightly subtle devil in the details, is that you gotta authenticate incoming data, or enemy can force you to burn your pad by sending rubbish. fortunately there are several easy ways of doing this ( the most obvious, is to use a small piece of each block as a hash salt, and send keccak(salt+ciphertext) after each N bytes of ciphertext )
asciilifeform: ( they're , what, a few bux ea. )
asciilifeform: and for good measure, use the cards 1ce, cremate'em when empty
asciilifeform: Mocky: well yes, you nuke each block on the card prior to xoring plaintext and sending
asciilifeform: the scheme of course lives and dies by the rng; but this is common to any form of crypto whatsoever.
asciilifeform: the 1 missing ingredient, is somebody who actually wants this.
asciilifeform: current FG moar than fast enuff, to do 1/year pad flights b/w 2 hypothetical points.
asciilifeform: but even with ordinary one, it aint much of a problem, just be sure to get the fillers started ~before~ current pad runs dry.
asciilifeform: and for point-to-point link, e.g., shell, can last for a good while ( i dun think i've put 1 whole GB through a shell in the past yr... )
Mocky: ah yes, i see the 2 cards angle now
asciilifeform: they're a standard item, common in laboratory/industrial automation etc
asciilifeform: the method where you exchange cards, has 2 wins: it is not enuff for enemy to get copy of simply 1 card, must get one of each ; and rng failure on 1 side doesn't sink you, you get combined reliability of the 2 rng's ( perhaps yours is of 1 type, and other fella's -- another )
asciilifeform: 1 of the things i like about otp box is that it is trivial to verify that it functions as specified ( can plug in a pad with known contents, throw in known plaintext, and observe -- with a comp of your choice -- what comes out )
asciilifeform: Mocky: theoretically dun have to use with an actual comp, can have dumb glass terminal on the plaintext side of each box
asciilifeform: Mocky: idea is that you dun need to transport the unit itself
Mocky: yup, or fill two over lunch together and each walk away with identical copy
asciilifeform: Mocky: it's an old idea of asciilifeform's -- otptron gets 2 sd slots. fill switch triggers fill-up of both with identical otp. then you fly to bananistan with ~one~ and trade with the other fella for his. then you both have identical xor of pad-a and pad-b, in the respective slots.
Mocky: sd card slot has merit. for iron otptron even two slots is not going overboard imo if it doesn't overcomplicate the design, since generally will need two copies and may prefer not to plug into general purpose comp
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in heathen lulz, https://archive.is/B9hHc#selection-9797.129-9817.37 << ye olde lukejr, 'http://therealbitcoin.org (which is NOT a full node, mind you)'
asciilifeform: i suspect that there is a sane space b/w the classical design and http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-12#1540775 extremity, simply gotta find what it is.
asciilifeform: another pheature i've considered, is to give the thing a sd card slot, so it could fill it straight for otp use. but this is perhaps a bridge too far.
asciilifeform: ( if it isn't obvious to the reader -- the salt would have to be unique per-board, naturally )
asciilifeform: 1 possible way around this, would be to send the hashes on a separate serial line.
asciilifeform: would have to actually process the stream before use.
asciilifeform: the obvious down-side, aside from the substantially moar complicated logic, would be that you could no longer dd if=/dev/fg | dieharder etc
asciilifeform: 1 of the wins from it would be that user could immediately verify that baud rate etc are set correctly, instead of relying on the convenient happenstance that a FG misconfigged serial line will produce low-entropy rubbish (with stuck bits)
asciilifeform: i'ma let mircea_popescu ponder whether this kind of thing is worth doing
asciilifeform: cuz right nao, theoretically, a supplier of e.g. usb-ttl dongles, or even bugged cable, could substitute prng for the FG bits, undetected
asciilifeform: diana_coman: the 1 crackpottery i've considered adding to FG-2, is an 'authenticated' mode, where userland proggy gets ability to verify that rng bits actually came from a particular FG. the way to do it would be to have a keccak salt, printed on the board, and have the thing send , instead of naked bytes, packets, of b0,b1,...bN bytes, followed by keccak(salt, b0,b1,...bn) . could be enabled by jumper setting, conceivably.
asciilifeform: if receiving end were prb ( which last i knew, still had the 'orphanage' thing ) -- would balloon to fill ram
asciilifeform: in other noose, 178.238.224.213 ( by all indications, does not contain a public node of any kind ) has been spamming randomly generated blox, incl. to zoolag, at the rate of 5-10 erry sec
BingoBoingo: Not really news unless someone involved in the zombie Linus thing comes up with a line like: "but that would put me in the position of editing and redacting Benedict of Nursia, as if I were wiser than he"
asciilifeform: in related lulz, '...following his brief sabbatical in which he pledged to shed his abusive tendencies, it's hoped a kinder and gentler Linus is ready to resume his duties. Perhaps not coincidentally, with the return of Torvalds will come a "harassment-free" code of conduct that is now part of the kernel source tree.'
BingoBoingo: billymg: The CoC situation is lulzier than my reading of it yesterday lead me to believe
asciilifeform: i'ma describe , for the l0gz : ideal cpu for crypto would be something quite like the schoolbook mips.v -- no cache, no branch prediction, no pipeline, no dram controller (run off sram strictly), a set of large regs for multiply-shift , and dedicated pipe to FG (i.e. have single-instruction that fills a register with entropy )
a111: Logged on 2015-01-22 06:26 asciilifeform: whateverthefuck fpga cpu << http://www.cs.utah.edu/~elb/cadbook/Chapters/Chapter13/mips.v << mips.
diana_coman: so far the FGs are one of the relatively few things that I positively like having to deal with!
asciilifeform: ( plus i ~like~ that it gets made from off-the-shelf components, from strategic pov it is imho superior )
asciilifeform: if this were a bake-by-the-thousands product, we could bake asic. but currently this is not realistic imho
diana_coman: myeah, that's about the main current pain from my pov
asciilifeform: diana_coman: the redesign
asciilifeform: diana_coman: given as you're the leading industrial FG user, perhaps share your pov on the above ?
asciilifeform: i wouldn't even be opposed to putting usb logic on FG -- but to this very day have not found a sane (i.e. not reflashable via usb) interface ic , aside from the chinese dongles ( which i outboarded, because if a piece can be outboarded -- it oughta, per specificity-of-diddling )
asciilifeform: or at the very least , >1 serial port ( the current pizarro boxen, do have rs232 header on mobo, but only one, and at the traditional +/- 12v signal levels, rather than ttl, and i eschew the converters, because they all work by oscillating capacitor pump, hence noisy )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: classical FG also fits very reluctantly in servers, but currently i dun have a good idea re what specifically to do about this ( the 'obvious' pill is to have a pci variant, but ice40 is too small for the necessary logic, which in itself is quite gnarly )
asciilifeform: the primary headache of old FG is imho the very modest output rate, which makes the thing take ridiculous length of time to test on my bench
a111: Logged on 2018-10-23 06:19 mircea_popescu: "While the FG shop has been closed for quite some time already," asciilifeform think we should bake a new set ?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-23#1865312 << ideally we oughta bake the new one, with ice40 & scintillator, imho
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: Enjoy the beach
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i actually have 0 objections to 'octet', tho i confess i never suffered from 'bit'-'byte' conflation ( never worked on a box with 7 or 9 bit bytes, e.g. the CDC described in 1st ed k&r -- tho i did work on boxes with odd word lengths, e.g. pic16, where 14bit nonbreakable word... )
esthlos: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-19#1864316 << apologies alf, I'm running behind! trying to gather time to get caught up in the next week or two
diana_coman: ftr I quite like the neat way in which asciilifeform defined those basic types in FFA; however, he went for the classical types so byte, nibble ; and I find octet SO much easier than I'm reluctant to give it up in my code (though all it takes is anyway a "subtype Octet is Byte" at top if Byte definition is to be adopted)
diana_coman: that being said, names are one thing, definition of the types another: i.e. every packet and project still needs to define/have defined somewhere the types it uses
diana_coman: hm, theoretically the byte is standard but there is the bit/byte confusion issue and moreover I really find octet easier on brain as it directly points at "it's eight bits!"
diana_coman: on one hand libs on their own should logically have their own types; on the other hand, when they are used as part of a bigger project, it makes sense I think to make their types subtypes - where they fit/are the same
a111: Logged on 2018-10-23 04:35 mircea_popescu: every time we notice same answer is given to repeated question, we note it down. before, what's the use ?
mircea_popescu: slowly but surely a republican ada style manual is shaping up (and through the exact http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-23#1865304 process, at that!)
mircea_popescu: "While the FG shop has been closed for quite some time already," asciilifeform think we should bake a new set ?
mircea_popescu: sit there try to come up with imaginatioins of future people seems a waste of your time.
mircea_popescu: every time we notice same answer is given to repeated question, we note it down. before, what's the use ?
a111: Logged on 2018-10-23 01:51 mod6: Gotta catch up on l0gz and the rest. In particular, I'm just about nowhere on my task of creating answers to FAQs/Common Questions about the Foundation itself. I'll be working on that this week as a main priority - will post what I have for review/comments/corrections in #trilema by end of weekend.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-23 01:48 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-23#1865261 << incidentally i dun see how these are mechanically distinguishable from a node's pov
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-23#1865268 << they aren't ; but bad peer set can produce it also, and often enough does.
asciilifeform: indeed. sorta why they're of interest, imho, as 'corner case'.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-22 23:17 asciilifeform: thinking about it, i can actually conceive of 1 possible constructive use for programmable cements -- testing the reorg mechanism ( i.e. deliberately steer a node into a dead end chain, then restart uncemented and see whether it finds its way back properly )
asciilifeform: mod6: afaik errybody already runs with the flag. and switching it off dun do anyffing useful, quite the contrary
mod6: The creation of a keccak trb tree is still on the to-do list; however, one thing kinda proceeds that item for me - a review / testing of keccak implementation. I've never had a chance to do that yet, and I think it's important.
mod6: Anyway, like I said, need to go back and rewind the logs a week.
asciilifeform: mod6: there was earlier one that prints who gave blox
mod6: asciilifeform: thanks for your recent submissions to the ML. I'll get to reviewing those as soon as I can.
mod6: Gotta catch up on l0gz and the rest. In particular, I'm just about nowhere on my task of creating answers to FAQs/Common Questions about the Foundation itself. I'll be working on that this week as a main priority - will post what I have for review/comments/corrections in #trilema by end of weekend.
asciilifeform: i have not observed this on trb to date, but it is precisely the q i was posing, whether can happen ( i.e. reorg logic fails ) in some possible alignment of planets.
mod6: Happy 4th Anniversary to The Bitcoin Foundation!
a111: Logged on 2018-10-23 01:37 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform to be clear, is the idea "node locked on alt chain while main chain goes on a lot of blocks" or "node on a lengthy orphan chain" ?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-23#1865261 << incidentally i dun see how these are mechanically distinguishable from a node's pov
asciilifeform: but if anyone observed a longer one ( whether naturally occurring, that i slept through somehow, or artificial on testbed ) i'd like to know.
asciilifeform: they happen erry coupla wks on zoolag, but are almost always of arity 1
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: was asking specifically re events that trigger reorg logic ( as seen in http://btcbase.org/patches/asciilifeform_aggressive_pushgetblocks/tree/bitcoin/src/main.cpp#L1028 ), with arity defined as the length of the eventually discarded forklet chain
mircea_popescu: cuz the latter indeed doesn't happen, expensive mienr failuire
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform to be clear, is the idea "node locked on alt chain while main chain goes on a lot of blocks" or "node on a lengthy orphan chain" ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you still have the 100blox log spew on tape somewhere, would like to see..
a111: Logged on 2015-07-04 21:58 mircea_popescu: atm the situation is that block 363730 is forked. one chain, 6 blocks long, proceeds atop a v2 block. the current main chain proceeds from 363730 on v3 blocks.
a111: Logged on 2015-07-04 04:03 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform listen, seems the chain actually forked.
asciilifeform: there was the 2015 lulzfest, http://btcbase.org/log/2015-07-04#1186479 , but iirc that summed to sad chain ~dozen blox long
asciilifeform: afaik this is not a test that has actually happened in trb history ( longest naturally-occurring reorg since trb first saw use in the battlefield was, iirc, 8 blox or so ? )
asciilifeform: thinking about it, i can actually conceive of 1 possible constructive use for programmable cements -- testing the reorg mechanism ( i.e. deliberately steer a node into a dead end chain, then restart uncemented and see whether it finds its way back properly )
asciilifeform: of course, removing the checkpoints thing entirely would give this also. ( i dun recall if anyone ever gave convincing case for whether they oughta stay or go, and if stay, wai not selectable )
asciilifeform: seems that he wanted to test whether trb's miner component actually worked.
billymg: diana_coman: thanks! i see your point about the footnotes, they could use some visual separation from the main content
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: !Q later tell trinque http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/dI29G/?raw=true << very peculiar barfology from existing ( same tarball i successfully used for s.mg box ) cuntoo. sat for 4 hrs, built both gcc's, etc., then ended with this.
mircea_popescu: and other things.
asciilifeform: the 1 thing it'd do for current, is to give easy means to determine that errybody actually has same blox. but the read-only knob already gives this ( and arguably 'dumpblock' already gave a much slower version of same )
mircea_popescu: certainly. in general speaking, trbi will prolly not use any of the current trb/prb legacy common code
mircea_popescu: now or in the future ?
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-22#1865024 -> not bad; billymg maybe get the footnotes code to properly link back ; also, place/formatting of footnotes is a bit weird atm - at the first read I thought those were some summary-list rather than footnotes
asciilifeform: hence the q
asciilifeform: takes the form of 'makecement' (formerly 'makesnap') command, and corresponding '-setcement' flag that takes a tape on bootup.
asciilifeform: it doesn't actually speed up sync ( alert long-time readers will know why : sig verification, contrary to the spew of the prb people, is NOT bottleneck for acceptblock() , rather tx indexing is )
a111: Logged on 2018-10-20 01:48 asciilifeform: ( for the impatient : http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/trb/snap_546400.txt )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: unrelated to anyffing: i have a tentative thing that eats a http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-20#1864354 and gives trb option of replacing 'checkpoints' with it ( i.e. on boot, tests all already-stored blox against it, and if any blox in the tape are not yet present, then it requests & accepts them and only them, 1 at a time ). do we want this for field use ? (if so i can put on conveyor for cleanup)
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Apparently Brasil has Walmart, but no, there is no lolmart in BingoBoingostan
asciilifeform: ( tho they had a kitschy 'tienda engleza' thing that sold errything from animal fodder to welder
asciilifeform: afaik in BingoBoingostan there was not
asciilifeform: there's a lolmart in bananistan?!
billymg: what if i submitted a vpatch that adds the js-text-selection feature and the few lines of CSS to the "default" theme in mp-wp (blue header one)?
billymg: BingoBoingo: i could definitely do that, wanted to add it to my own as the first step
BingoBoingo: And in the trilema homepage roulette, this six year old cutie popped up http://trilema.com/2012/that-sticky-issue-of-enforcing-contracts/
BingoBoingo: Prolly rather sickly. In this sunny place I am surrounded by sickly looking pale freaks.
BingoBoingo: <Mocky> it's funny to see "face whitening cream" on the grocery shelf next to shaving cream and tooth brushes. i always assumed it was just michael jackson and brown chicks with dark blemishes wanting to bleach skin << Apparently it is a big Asian thing. The prospect of it being here makes me very cautious about sunscreen selections.
Mocky: yes, a few of them. but waffles here are like a desert gimmick, covered in thick layers of chocolate sauce or the like. they don't take this shit serious
BingoBoingo: billymg: if you are really looking for something to do, there's a spiffy js text selection thing and mp-wp could use a couple themes where it is plugged in by default
BingoBoingo: billymg: I hadn't seen that one yet. Nice take on the TrannyCoC problem.
Mocky: oh and in more important news, i got a line on where to buy a waffle maker here. went to the store and they actually do sell them. but ... sold out. which is probably for the best since they were selling a model worth 17$ that makes one at a time for 80$
lobbes: although for vdiff, you'll probably want phf's vtools for the keccak
lobbes: billymg: for #1, be sure to check out ben_vulpes' guide on the basics of v: http://cascadianhacker.com/07_v-tronics-101-a-gentle-introduction-to-the-most-serene-republic-of-bitcoins-cryptographically-backed-version-control-system
billymg: right now i have two items in my queue 1) figure out how to submit a vpatch for mp-wp with those few lines of CSS tweaks on the default theme 2) write a completely custom mp-wp theme
billymg: as there is some overlap between design and marketing
lobbes: billymg: there may also be opportunities selling for pizarro. If you think you could be good at that couldn't hurt to check with them
billymg: NPCs and SJWs everywhere not sure whether to be outraged that it's satire or take it seriously and be outraged at its "religious discrimination"
lobbes: definitely no shortage of work around these parts
billymg: BingoBoingo: don't know if you saw this https://www.sqlite.org/codeofconduct.html << sqlite project gets pressured into adopting a CoC, publishes troll CoC based on chapter 4 of The Rule of St. Benedict
lobbes: billymg: ty for the offer. however ticker functionality will be intimately married to the auction database, so I'm going to want to own that completely. However, auxiliary logs for the various chans is something in demand (#pizarro, for example, just has the one logotron atm). That being said, there may be more pressing needs in the general tmsr conveyor
lobbes: for some reason 'bleached skin' and 'hot desert sun' don't go well together in my mind O-o
Mocky: it's funny to see "face whitening cream" on the grocery shelf next to shaving cream and tooth brushes. i always assumed it was just michael jackson and brown chicks with dark blemishes wanting to bleach skin
lobbes: Mocky: congrats on the cool air
asciilifeform: whereas the fact that collectively 9000MB of excel add up to ~more~ tangled liquishit than 1 perl script, is generally lost on'em
asciilifeform: it gives brass a convincing illusion that they 'understand the process flow', because 'can read any particular spreadshit'
a111: Logged on 2017-04-11 00:21 asciilifeform: i can see a legit pov for the 'no sql' folx. 'you will NOT introduce programmerolade into our process flow, creating work for maggots like yerself and marrying our corp to your lazy and entitled arse' approx.
Mocky: working with programmers is hard, they constantly tell you why all your ideas are terrible, if any business person who can self teach vb / php can deliver "value" to manager without pesky programmer problems
asciilifeform: the instruments for which they didn't have 'excel'-izers, were i/o'd by... human hands
a111: Logged on 2018-10-10 16:05 BingoBoingo: In other news, today is pizarro invoicing day and hanbot's auction closed per "<lobbesbot> AUCTION # 367 has ENDED: 500usd via WU SOLD to BingoBoingo for 76mn coppers. Attn: hanbot" leading to a price of 6579 usd/BTC
a111: Logged on 2018-10-22 20:21 billymg: lobbes: what does the tickerbot entail?
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-22#1865074 << eventually I aim to have a 'tickerbot' (which, will actually be a function of auctionbot) that will spit out a btc/fiat price based off of the results of republican auctions of a specific type (i.e. to do the price formation of e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-10#1860078, automatically)
a111: Logged on 2016-08-18 22:32 asciilifeform: 'The situation is somewhat akin to a retarded girlfriend trying to flood your apartment, that not only opens all the faucets and stops all the drains, but also takes the "extremely clever" measure of puncturing the water pipes, so she can then preciously inform you that "turning off the faucets won't help" and you must work with her to somehow create a raft out of your widescreen TV so as to navigate the marshy terrain that used to b
mircea_popescu: if you look into the templarte, you'll see it's very flat, as in, most of the non-variable content is quoted literals.
asciilifeform: billymg: afaik they dun work worth a shit
billymg: what about the various wordpress "caching" plugins?
asciilifeform: rather than a complicated series of template insertions and db fetches
asciilifeform: at any given time, your www -- with the possible exception of comment-eater and search box (the latter dun even exist in mp-wp iirc) really wants to be a static string
billymg: ah, i thought you meant the final visual output
a111: Logged on 2018-10-22 20:32 asciilifeform: quite offensive imho, from aesthetic pov
asciilifeform: quite offensive imho, from aesthetic pov
asciilifeform: and yet the box grunts though the templatization 9000 times an hour, as if answ could ever turn out different
mircea_popescu: and it's all the customizing anyone can take, im sure.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the point re "redesign" is sound. i comissioned the theme 10 years ago, never really changed it. rolling daily headers came kinda midway, but it literally is one line.
Mocky: yeah, pretty far down the list
mircea_popescu: if one were to take this tack, couldn't even turn on computer, gotta fix desk first to be even smoother.
billymg: Mocky: sort of a hand-rolled "static site generator"? i've used jekyll in the past and from what i remember this is how it worked
a111: Logged on 2018-10-22 20:20 asciilifeform: put the dressing in blog.ads as constants and be done with it. when erry couple of yrs you feel like twiddling the bg colour or somesuch -- it's a 10sec recompile, wat.
asciilifeform: billymg: http://trilema.com/2016/please-stop-using-dns-already-and-other-considerations/ << canonical pg on the subj
asciilifeform: billymg: most folx here use hand-curated /etc/hosts ; dns is largely for giving links to heathens
billymg: lobbes: what does the tickerbot entail?
asciilifeform: put the dressing in blog.ads as constants and be done with it. when erry couple of yrs you feel like twiddling the bg colour or somesuch -- it's a 10sec recompile, wat.
asciilifeform: bake it into the proggy.
asciilifeform: i suspect quite a bit of the 'arbitrary substitutions for style dressing' that folx expect from blog engine, are not actually necessary; just how often does one fiddle with the dressings.
asciilifeform: Mocky: i think i've yet to meet somebody who wouldn't rather write msdos batch script, than php..
asciilifeform: '9000' php-diddling lolnets knock on the door futilely erry day, it is hilarious to watch
asciilifeform: lobbes: what i meant was, there is long list of actually urgent proggies, this one's definitely a luxury; thus far ~errybody is living with mp-wp and not particularly sad
lobbes: perhaps one of these promising noobs can take on..
lobbes: oy the price history stuff too, tickerbot
lobbes: on my conveyor, absolutely. I still need to 1) finish de-heathenizing lobbesbot's functions 2) redo #eulora logs 3) get auxiliary #pizarro logs up 4) probably something I'm forgetting
asciilifeform: it is far on the conveyor, i suspect
lobbes: hm interesting. I too have hands tied up but have been meaning to get a few chapters of ffa under my belt. I'll jot this idea down for far off in the conveyor if someone else doesn't get to it first (and by all means, Someone: feel free to beat me to this punch)
asciilifeform: tho i suspect it would be simpler mechanism than on the surface it appears.
asciilifeform: lobbes: imho a 100%-adatronic thing that could serve http and dish up blog etc. without dragging in apache.nginx,php,sql,etc., would rock. but sadly i dun have anything like the # of free hands for such a thing currently
lobbes: though nowadays the rockchip kernels in the pizarro plant have iptables enabled, so you now have a couple of options for crossing that bridge if you come to it
lobbes: btw, if you end up needing it I have a guide out on how to configure apache to handle bot spam directed at your blog >> http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2018/07/arming-your-arm64-rockchip-gentoo-against-the-hordes-of-mindless-bots/
lobbes: hey nice work on the mp-wp guide billymg
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mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo "unregistered foreign influence agent" being the specialist term.
billymg: i.e. the part where i get stuck fighting with portage while trying to install php
billymg: i realized while writing that the middle portion sort of veers away from "guide" and more into "retrospective" format but figured it would be best to just get something out for people to read/comment on
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mircea_popescu: which is the point here.
Mocky: also, central air units don't feed the chumpatron. room units: huge market constantly turning, repairmen "fixing", "workers" installing, refurbishers
mircea_popescu: (this wouldn't be a very high standard clean room, but 80s level tech quite achievable. whole shtick is to have the controlled airlflow, pressurizing the room.)
asciilifeform doesn't have a 'clean room' in the chip fab sense, but did install a multistage circulating filter thing in machine room, it actually worx pretty well re cutting downtime for fan cleanings etc
mircea_popescu: but with current tech, and given airplant already there, making a den into a clean room is entirely hobby budget.
mircea_popescu: i mean, since you have the pumping infrastructure, costs comparatively little to isolate one room and do w/e in there, microscopy.
asciilifeform: it doesn't. was pointing out that you dun get 'clean room' simply from central air pump. at least none of the ones i've used, even with the fancy electrostatic trap thing.
mircea_popescu: don't let them in, problem solved.
mircea_popescu: how would ac unit solve the problem of unwashed co-dweller ? seems the application for that is a lock rather.
asciilifeform: mini only circulates air in the room it lives in
Mocky: maybe qataris have central air and only orc horde has room units, haven't been there yet
mircea_popescu: "but mp, why would anyone want that!!" "i dunno, same reason anyone would want a large icebox" "inconceivabru. the global market for cars is maybe 12 units."
mircea_popescu: Mocky the other humongo advantage of getting a central air plant instead of the piddly shits is that THEN you can get clean room at no extra cost.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-22 04:57 Mocky: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-21#1864601 >> there are some important things that are going to be brought to life by the republic and sure as shit they aren't gonna wait for Qatar to buy in. rather, if the outward appearance is correct and there are men of valor here who can recognize the opportunity then this will be their chance to play host to some business and profit exactly to the degree of their continued valor and foresight and not one riyal more
BingoBoingo: Qatar sounds like the perfect place to use swamp coolers
mircea_popescu: it's almost sad to waste the opportunity, you know ?
asciilifeform: and ductwork gotta be cleaned at least erry odd decade, or you get interesting things growing therin
mircea_popescu: there is that.
asciilifeform: and! and! an orc client who actually changes the filters
a111: Logged on 2018-10-20 19:18 Mocky: the regular spots are mostly 5 star hotels on the water. St. Regis, The Four Seasons, The Pearl Qatar & Medina Centrale. Also there's some pickup beach volleyball at katara beach on fridays once the day cools off
mircea_popescu: cuz what the fuck maintenance does it need, jaysus. they come encapsulated, like modern engines.
BingoBoingo: The mall actually has central air, but it is still turned to produce heat
asciilifeform: whereas the samsungs, i expect, are treated as ~disposables
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: There is one rooftop unit for every indoor unit