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(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-02-05#1017304 - to put it plainly: I can; I am not convinced that I should and you are certainly not helping there much because the way it looks you clearly consider those credentials worth ~0 and/or other people's problem.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: o.O you said you already had an account?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: heh, so it was version trouble indeed; anyways, well done sorting it out.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-02-05#1017293 - you know, it looks like you'd rather focus on something until you're done with it and then move on; it's not necessarily a problem in itself, just adjust accordingly so the rest still gets done even if on another day.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-02-04#1017292 - aha; that's why it helps to have a ton of motivation from the wider picture than any specific task itself.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: sounds like a solution, well done!
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: so it's missing the headers; the -devel package etc
(ossasepia) diana_coman: if you look in the configure script, you'll see exactly what/how it checks anyway; it's a long thing but relatively straightforwardly written, as those things go.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: see possibly the note that it needs the libgl-devel thing too
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: looking at it now, I can even tell that bullet is not needed and otherwise it even tends to create trouble so leave it out
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: since my list of to-write is long and only getting longer and otherwise on centos I just ported the darned client to gnat anyway, here's a raw paste of notes with packages for corresponding CS stuff, from when I was simply mapping what fits what (ie see what is really needed, perhaps not all of them are): http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=KogY
(ossasepia) diana_coman: I guess I'll have to write-up my notes at some point then.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and don't waste time searching online re deps for cs, lolz, that's really not going to do anything other than waste time.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: no, those on the wiki#
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: didn't you look at the list of deps for fedora and other systems? because the package names might be different but the deps are still deps
(ossasepia) diana_coman: heh, as jfw says
(ossasepia) diana_coman: probably like for zlib above, you don't have the devel packages
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: something is missing, so it's not finding it
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and uhm, x11 missing?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: zlib is a must iirc; and you'll probably need zlib-devel package
(ossasepia) diana_coman: at any rate, the walktest thing has to work if you are to have any use for cs really because that's the basic test of graphics pretty much
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: cal3d lists as "optional" pretty much everything because the original author was so afraid to decide on anything at all that he ended up with this situation where rendering stuff (and similar) is somehow optional for a graphics engine, among other lulz.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: did you install libtool ?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: uhm, I didn't run into that either; it really sounds like you are missing something/have mismatched versions
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: is this silence-since-Sunday the busy-silence or the stuck-silence?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: cal3d is quite undemanding, yes
(ossasepia) diana_coman: that's usually where the weird stems from on autoreconf and the like.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: it's the first time I see/hear of such a thing; do you have some incompatible versions of autotools?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: I guess you'd end up needing that only if you are trying to install it somewhere where you don't have permissions
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: no, should not require root; why?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: BingoBoingo: thanks; so far there was simply no decision to bring the website back up; will let you know if anything changes on this.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: I guess update the wiki too, what can it hurt.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: minigame's website was not resurrected after pizarro's implosion.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: yeah, use my blog
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: you are an optimist after all!
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: btw, you'll get that sort of thing ~any time you display non-ascii
(ossasepia) diana_coman: before restarting computer, try some simpler measures, you know?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: did you try simply a "reset" cmd first?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: yes, centos 6 has an older thing though that works; look for jam or ftjam , there is some package containing on or the other, can't recall now without the notes
(ossasepia) diana_coman: link it to anything relevant you know otherwise
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: how about choose your favourite event/chapter/part and review that - summarise what's going on, how it's built/told and why it matters
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: so pick something that fits the time better or otherwise work on it more
(ossasepia) diana_coman: can do a phd thesis out of the topic, I dare say (though yes, obv, not based on the odyssey alone, how could that ever be)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: ha, if you do a full blown analysis of deceitfulness @ Greeks, that would be quite something, lol
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: hm, what do you *want* to write now you read it?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and yeah, the curse of "temporary" is that it ~always ends up permanent
(ossasepia) diana_coman: there is no such thing as a "temporary solution" and it's still not a solution
(ossasepia) diana_coman: yeah, not a distinction to which you are used to pay much attention, that's why; that's why I highlighted it too, because you should pay attention to it specifically and to this sort of differences more generally: it can be fine to choose a workaround instead of a solution in some cases but it's *never* fine to call things something other than they actually are.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: ahaha, your "I solved this" is "I worked around that", did you even notice?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-02-04#1017152 - jfw, up to you really; fwiw notes were funny to read so I won't complain either way, not like they are not clear for me or anything of the sort, lol.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: so what was the problem anyway?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: think it through, it's no rush and no need for an answer right now.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: but you know, the one you care about, not the one that "needs to be"
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: those might be needs of all sorts, sure; none of them necessarily a priority unless you choose it as such; the q at any rate was what is your top priority, as you choose it, that's all.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: ah, that "needs to be", how much it says, you know? but the question was even wider (or if you prefer, in yesterday's obv re trees - on upper levels of that tree) than the wallet really.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: the question still stands as to what you owe yourself.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: so possibly go to agencies in san jose instead where there's no rush to catch waves, lolz.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: supposedly the rental agency has actually quite an interest in maintaining the cars properly
(ossasepia) diana_coman: as opposed to the car being abused by a few idiots with no idea of maintenance
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: the poor cars are made to be reliable; but they are also *mechanisms* and as such require maintenance to remain reliable; and moreover, your approach of "the car is reliable" (by itself, as a given, no need to have any idea really or any bother with it) is exactly what stupid is made out of.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: that being said, a very young me got to help take apart and put back together again one of those Dacia cars and there were several interesting "works" involved for sure (mainly because well, the local/communist/of-the-time industrial process was not all that...precise)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: myeah, the mystical approach to everything, push the button (or more buttons, until something happens) and it magically "works" (until it doesn't,sure, but then buy another one if it *really* doesn't).
(ossasepia) diana_coman: myeah; honestly, I don't follow why would one *want* all that trouble but possibly because whaack happily discards the trouble and imagines it all "just works"
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and the tires; and the battery and ...
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ... the expensive side but well, your money and your toys after all).
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: to sum it up though: if you absolutely want a car to call your own, then invest the time to learn wtf you are doing there so go with that friend and learn, don't avoid the opportunity now, what sense does that even make to you; figure out what can be found anyway, what it would cost to maintain, what you will actually do with it supposing you have it and how well/if it really fits the purpose anyway (as a toy it's rather on ...
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and on the other hand probably once you are regular client, less not available anyway.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: as to "not available", on one hand have several options so if one not available, next one fine.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: well, compared to the mins of waiting in traffic, the 5-10 minutes that are even *predictable* (ie can PLAN so that *they wait* for you, not the other way around, you know?) don't seem exactly relevant in any way.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: you know, if you want the car-toy, sure, fine; you want the toy and that's it; but yeah, be responsible about your toys and use them to learn at least.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and I don't mean in San Jose where there were plenty just waiting; I do mean out and about wherever really; sure, needed to call and order but they always came within 10 minutes max really, never heard of "not available"
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and in fairness, for all the time I was in CR, I *never* had any trouble ordering or finding a taxi
(ossasepia) diana_coman: lmao, the cab service that is not available, how does that work?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: wtf now they are somehow.... not available?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: o.O how is that "cab driver availability"??
(ossasepia) diana_coman: but I suppose whaack can get a clear idea of what is usually available on the second hand market ...if he goes with this friend and sees with his own eyes.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: BingoBoingo: yeah, I'm not so sure they overlap all that much because renting are probably mainly tourists, buying/selling mainly locals so you end up with second hand market mainly tiny-toyotas if what I saw on the roads is any indication.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: for that matter, did you even calculate taxi costs for nights out and came to the conclusion that it's actually cheaper to have the trouble of your own car for that or what?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: car rentals in CR don't deliver the car or what?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: I suppose his next trouble is that then he won't find that particular car to buy second hand or something
(ossasepia) diana_coman: such is ruralia where there's nothing: everything is suddenly expensive, time consuming and overall not worth it.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: possibly travel_billy has the masterplan of bringing in some life worth knowing to that place, maybe better off talking to him and see if he needs help with it or something, if at that; meanwhile though, the visits to san jose and learning what your cab driver friend supposedly knows sounds like the only actual opportunity for anything useful.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: kind of sucks.
(ossasepia) diana_coman tries to keep the ruralia-sudden-barf in check.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: question is how many of those you'd really *want* to know, if it weren't for the accident of them being in the vicinity, eh.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: BingoBoingo: that depends on his definition of people :D
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: yeah, well, better -as in more useful- branches though; talking to those lawyers, fake lawyers and so on is still better than talking to organised classes people, ugh.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: you get to learn and socialise, what salsa and jiu-jitsu classes bah
(ossasepia) diana_coman: but learn too, that's the main gain there, if indeed there's something to learn.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: this is not to say to not pay him otherwise, sure, pay him
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: yes, but go with him and look at cars, ask him to explain to you what he's looking at and why and so on
(ossasepia) diana_coman: if he really knows what he's doing, there's your opportunity to learn too, why pass it on anyway
(ossasepia) diana_coman: not to mention better than any other socializing of the boring sort
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ask to go with him, you get to see some interesting things and learn something too, if it's oh-so-dangerous
(ossasepia) diana_coman: so why not go with him instead of passing it on to him
(ossasepia) diana_coman: that robbing at gun point in San Jose sounds rather hard to believe to be honest.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: yes, buying a car (and also maintaining afterwards a car) IS a time consuming task; and for that matter, having a car is a liability too, not an asset; what this means though is that you need to make sure it's worth it.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: yes; question is: what's your trust based on? to what extent and why do you trust him on this?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: if beach & surf is important, make sure they are within reasonable reach, sure; but is that the most important/the goal really?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: admittedly CR is all of it holiday land for that matter but anyways.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: or by the sounds of it, you are nowhere near that, not even having a clear idea as to what that might be really (and yeah, not expected or anything either, there's plenty of time for that later on)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: because I can see the appeal of living on the beach, sure, but it's pretty much holiday/retirement mode unless you have otherwise all the resources to basically make your own anything right at home, wherever that might be
(ossasepia) diana_coman: there will always be some tradeoff, obviously; the question is which part is more important to you and especially more fitting to what you are aiming for really.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: because do realise also that going out in the evening by car is fine but then not exactly much party if you need to drive afterwards too and so on.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: are you happy with that remote location/is the being-on-the-beach more important than being in a town or what
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: for that matter, was it a 1 year lease you got there on that flat?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: try out several cars via rentals; look at all the rest with a cool head and unhurried mind
(ossasepia) diana_coman: *you* get off your ass and figure out all the options around, figure out what you want and especially what you do NOT want
(ossasepia) diana_coman: sure, ask the guy if he knows of any good cars, fine; but don't ask him to look for a car for you, he's not your daddy, wtf
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: listen, why don't you do this properly and thoroughly instead of delegating it on blind faith so that you further end up having to handle the friend-part where it doesn't belong
(ossasepia) diana_coman: serban85 ai si tu putintica rabdare stimabile.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: you know, on one hand a car by itself won't solve *all* the problems, not even all of those related to santa cruz & co; and otoh, if you keep trying to sort this out by ignoring complexity, you'll only make for yourself even more - and more difficult - things to sort out.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ... entirely to even keep it out"
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-02-02#1017016 - it is indeed so I can see your point and yeah, if aiming for this, some remote controls would make more sense; my point was not at all that you should rely on "one should not" but that it's not really on the bot's operator to protect users against themselves and especially not if the available solution swings it to the other side ie "can't kick bot out, need to ban it ...
(ossasepia) diana_coman calls it a long-enough day.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: anyway, it's at least in clear in the open and that's quite a lot in itself so... keep up the good work on it, is all.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: it's not as much that they did something or the other; it's always that your evaluation did not match what was there to start with; but that - like everything else - is something you get better at with practice and - inevitably - with failures in different degrees/at different times, sure.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: it is also true that at the end of the day, it might very well be that any and all living people will turn out "a lot smaller" than you thought - after all, that has to do with what you think and nobody can ever stop you from thinking people anything at all
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: I can see how that can be; but look at it properly: what sort of protection is that to apply the breaks to learning instead of improving the evaluation/choice of mentors?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: well, fight does mean no expectation of help, obviously, but... you won that fight already, no need to fight the help too, lol.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: you know, the principles are still the very same though; sure, a different sort of pain, but still pain too; it's a different type but of the same thing really.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: tell me something though, did you never have any help or did you never let anyone help or why is the very notion of help such alien to you?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and I guess it's there next to bad titles vs asking questions illustration.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: you're very welcome :)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: does the above clarify the "what are the jumps" and how incomprehensible it is?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: then again, you wouldn't have gotten a full blown review, so there.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: sounds very possible indeed.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: because... dunno, apparently they should do some work too in the comments or something
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and then the guide tells readers they are also not worth much more effort really: there's more he could say (DO believe it!) but he ...won't say it!
(ossasepia) diana_coman: all of it in one sentence, since it's enough space to find out - be told! - that bitcoin is also an os (is this tmsr-os ? a different os? how different? why? is then bitcoin "this os" from the starting clause?)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: because we are close to the end, mercifully, as we find out that "that's what we're aiming for here with this OS" (because and because)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: (btw, you reader, still following and still keeping track of all those rabbits jumping about ?)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and off to fiat lands for the spell of one paragraph
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: do not, ever, "everyone knows" in a text!
(ossasepia) diana_coman: once the speech suffered through (without any clear reason as to the reason WHY should one go through it), the guide is back with... everybody knows
(ossasepia) diana_coman: value function, bitcoin makes an appearance, peer to peer is mentioned though not introduced (in either form or function) and adamant is invited to give a speech in the middle of the text.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and ...by whom? why? whaaaat?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: money comes in and at least it's likely to make all readers pay attention so good; but then: you are well advised, says the guide
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and then the text takes apparently a publicity break to inform the reader that if effective in contribution then contribution is ...quite effective at strenghtening as apparently it has been noted above though it's the first time tmsr-os is mentioned other than in title + the first sentence
(ossasepia) diana_coman: next paragraph circles back on using "identity tools" but it's the first time those are named as such (and yes, I can see which and why you mean but take pity on a poor reader without all the background - how are they supposed to have any idea what this new construct is now?)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: point granted with a side of raised eyebrows as to the need for it here; the increased leverage uhm, isn't that "more effective", yes? and what is "resourceful commerce" ?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: moving on, the next paragraph/sentence talk of more effective tools being essentially good than (supposedly) less effective tools
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and moreover, if you drop those acronyms in there, it's *those* you want to link/footnote if you aim also for non-tmsr audience
(ossasepia) diana_coman: I can see the thought there ie signatures hence rsa but ...it's not in the text, it's outside of it really
(ossasepia) diana_coman: having dropped the contracts and commerce in, the paragraph then steps back with what tmsr uses for identification purposes apparently
(ossasepia) diana_coman: words and actions,lol
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and why commerce all of a sudden when it wasn't even mentioned before; why not war, why not sex, those are after all quite important for identity too!
(ossasepia) diana_coman: which fine, they are but ...where did *those* come from in your text so far?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: next, from strong signatures (that you link at least to the strong identity, if not with much detail/argument, more of a statement of fact) you bring in yet another thing: "sound contracts" and those being pillar of commerce
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: yes, let me go now through the list, apparently if I didn't write it up earlier, I'm doing it now anyway
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and you need to be aware of it quite explicitly so you choose a path rather than drop this or that as it comes
(ossasepia) diana_coman: a whole forest in there
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: there you are touching then on yet another important bit that can't be just skimmed over - who you are is one thing; your own knowledge of who you are is however another thing; and your identity is a social construct
(ossasepia) diana_coman: from that "expensive to replicate" it would seem to me you actually moved from a mainstream notion of "identity" to the republican one, based on rsa but you never as much as hint at this or even at there being a difference at all
(ossasepia) diana_coman: so now the identity is proposed to be strong or weak but again - why and where did this come from?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: the next paragraph introduces all of a sudden the "strong individual identity"
(ossasepia) diana_coman: it is an enumeration in format but those things are not even the same sort really
(ossasepia) diana_coman: because you pick there a list and don't give any reason nor even indication as to how/why you picked those bits precisely
(ossasepia) diana_coman: which is already one jump in itself
(ossasepia) diana_coman: you start with a statement that the reader's interest is derived from who they are (which is arguably obvious so fine) but then you qualify this with "ie your identity, signature, name, words and actions"
(ossasepia) diana_coman: anyways, give this a go and come back with what comes out of it
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: meaning being established through authority can be one root indeed and certainly ancestor of anything you want to bring in re implicit trust in current environment
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: it is indeed; I never realised that would not be obvious, but now you asked, it dawns on me it might actually be "obvious" only based on a certain way Maths was taught, huh.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: you still fresh enough to go through a closer highlight of the jumps and troubles in your version 1 article?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: I can see it in there but you will need to bridge it in
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: welcome to the branching log!
(ossasepia) diana_coman: not right now, obv, take some time, do that, come with it.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: how about those steps: aim first for a minimal tree with the root tmsr-os itself, see what you get on that, include branches on environment as much as you consider relevant
(ossasepia) diana_coman: mmm, V gives the shape, not the rationale though
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: so then, from the "why tmsr-os came to be" node, which branches do you see and which ones are you going to follow and why them?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: does the above exercise give you at least some idea re the process on this sort of thing?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: that why tmsr-os came to be needs to be split and scoped too or you'll end up talking of how bitcoin came to be as well
(ossasepia) diana_coman: heh, you're not done, lol
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: exactly.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: I didn't even mean mindmap software, can be hand-written if it's any use; fwiw no, I never found them useful either but I know people who work better with them so whatever works for one at the end of the day.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: well, for that matter you can cut it differently and focus it all instead on the very rationale for the project to start with, having then benefits of users/contributors as consequences of this (and thus getting less space in it)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: btw, if you are into visual thinking, that's probably where those mindmap things can be useful.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: (and you see, at each branch, if it ends up too much, you can always decide to make a different article; but that's a decision for when you know "this is such a big branch that it could be its own article)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: so now, from the benefits of tmsr-os, do you want to focus on contributors only, on users only or branch on this so you have both?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and yeah, need some branches to get there
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: you can still bring in that point but notice that is one point aka one leaf in your tree and we're still just clarifying the root, lol
(ossasepia) diana_coman: so that's why your subject as such is tmsr-os with the scope already getting some shape from focusing the discussion on benefits rather than everything else
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: the thing is also: whatever benefits there are, they will stem out of necessity from what tmsr-os is (which in turn means also the wider environment since nothing is in a vacuum, sure); but the individuals come into all this only afterwards and they do not drive the benefits really, regardless of what they'd like to think.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: that long term for instance is exactly an example of lower down in the tree; each of the above branches can further have their own short-term and long-term respectively
(ossasepia) diana_coman: basically to get clarity (and understanding really), you need to build and maintain trees, that's what it is; if you find yourself running around from one thing to another and lost in details, you need to abstract one level up; if you run out of abstractions/have nothing to say, you need to drill down
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: if you aim it like that on a given individual's interest, you get the trouble of... individuals being individuals, heh; how about "the benefits of tmsr-os" as overall topic that can then branch easily into contributing and using it, if need be
(ossasepia) diana_coman: first of all: what is your subject aka central topic
(ossasepia) diana_coman: don't worry about that just yet, you'll get plenty of time (and enough info) to decide on it later
(ossasepia) diana_coman: that is not a concern at this stage
(ossasepia) diana_coman: so, first of all: what is your chosen subject for this article?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: the subject is however something you need to be very clear on upfront because it has to be the focus of everything really
(ossasepia) diana_coman: given one topic, you can choose all sorts of starting points really and they are not even all that fixed upfront ie you can re-write even the same thing, just starting from a different point.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: in your outline, you qualify "subject" as the starting point; the subject of an article though is not at all "the starting point" but the central topic that you aim to talk about
(ossasepia) diana_coman: anyways, let's roll this back a bit so it gets where we were heading to start with (see, this is scope in action really)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: (which I'm even rather surprised at, coming from you, huh)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: well, that risks the trouble with not seeing the woods for the trees among other things.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: how do you know/decide when you have something "fully worked out" ? heh
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: take your time; fwiw, there's more too, so prepare yourself, lol.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: in no small part precisely because an article is meant to provide that sort of depth; and in part because your audience is basically more diverse than the usual you-have-5-minutes-to-make-your-pitch or similar.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: re short & convincing, you can certainly aim for that too, but it will really work best as a 2nd step, *after* a well written article that really drills down into the details
(ossasepia) diana_coman: 2. you said part of the trouble was that you were trying to figure out some concepts at the same time as using them; did you list what those were and/or did you figure them out properly meanwhile?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: now, circling back to those notes of mine building on your version 1 + the previous discussion: 1. what is the full set of points from which you said last time you ended up selected only the top 2?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: exactly that, well said.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: sure; the problem is not sales per se, lol; if anything and after having read that .pdf from the crypto-something, I suspect what creeps in is that environment you have there.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: re soundbites, it's a more general thing ie you tend to shorten your text more by importing constructions & terms known *in a certain environment* than by concise focus on some core idea; and when those accumulate also, it all sounds very copywriting style essentially.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: the possible brain load would not show that directly in that it might slow you down, but it doesn't directly change the text.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: luggage in the sense of unexamined habits/practices
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: say something.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: is this due to the environment there or is it deliberate/do you realise you do it there or what?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: btw, what's with the soundbites reliance anyway?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: version 1 of your article sounds at times like a sales pitch (though you switch from one audience to another)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: re-reading your 1st article a bit earlier, it struck me that it really reads like you wrote it with some luggage, hm; let me extract this more clearly.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: the "user" is the reader above, ofc; ( /me shakes user loose from head)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: if your scope is too wide, you'll end up writing 10 volumes; if it's too narrow, you'll not get to say much interesting to the user (at one extreme I suppose you could see copywriting as an extremely narrow scope thing)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: only in part and not even the main part; the role of scope is to clearly delineate (hence also help you at writing time choose and the reader at reading time evaluate) what the text covers and what is not covered.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: the outline you pasted clearly tries to provide some structure but it runs rather unequally in several directions and mainly because you haven't fully decided on either scope or focus.
(ossasepia) diana_coman fishes out the notes on prev version too, 1 sec
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: back and read your outline; do you know what's the role of scope when you decide to write something?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: lobbes: go ahead re article.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: I need to sort out some irl unexpecteds but I'll be back in half an hour max
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-02-01#1016755 - hopefully you remember that next time and go directly for learning what you need, heh.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-01-31#1016753 - hm, why? I can see the point if you expect this sort of accidental to happen much but otherwise dunno, if one wants the bot in there, one should not kick it "accidentally" and certainly not complain if they have to wait for it to get back if/when they kick it.
(agriculturalsupremacy) diana_coman: oh hey, congrats thimbronion !
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: on Sunday then; tomorrow won't work.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: do you want to discuss the structure for that 2nd attempt at the +ev contribution to the tmsr-os article?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: spyked: comment in your modqueue.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: oh hey, good point spyked; thank you.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: ha; so then yes, regenesis it with keccak and that's it.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: as to the reconnect, do what *you* need and then pack that.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: do first the vpatch that fixes the clear bug, since that needs fixing anyway, right?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: from my pov, as long as it doesn't result in a huge vpatch, I don't see any problem in one vpatch fixing several issues; just make it clear and readable, that's all.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: a day of discoveries at least, lolz.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: figure out what you need for that and speak up and ask for it; it's not a lack of resources for intelligent works around here, at all.
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