colinistheman: well then it would be about 800,000 btc+
mircea_popescu: colinistheman well at some point btc was 1.2k
indiancandy1: id rather wank to be fair
indiancandy1: i dont like the idea of rapeing myself
mircea_popescu: indiancandy1 they come in sizes no ?
assbot: MPEx, the Bitcoin securities exchange.
colinistheman: That's good. In bitcoin scams are ripe for the picking
mircea_popescu: that's the wot. bitcoin's web of trust
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colinistheman: 2nd billiionare i suppose then
kakobrekla: satoshi lost the keys.
mircea_popescu: colinistheman im bitcoin's only actual billionaire.
kakobrekla: !drown colinistheman
mircea_popescu: this is without a doubt the weirdest reaction to a wot mention.
colinistheman: because I'm pretty badass. The wottiness is inherent really
kakobrekla: so, hows the deer?
mircea_popescu: the wotrty.
mircea_popescu: because you're not in the wot
BingoBoingo: !up colinistheman
kakobrekla: well, colinistheman , deer cant read.
asciilifeform: proper works of evil. If the victim, at the sight of the economic predator, goes into doggie submission, we must stop discussing the phenomenon in terms of conflict and consider whether what we are observing might be some strange instance of symbiosis.'
asciilifeform: '
we need a word that describes the artifacts generated in response to irrational actors who demand to be fooled. As the old saying goes, A fool and his money are soon parted at the fools own insistence, no less! If the deer comes out of the forest and walks up to the hunter, it is not proper hunting, and this is not proper con artistry or grift or embezzlement or any other term we use to describe
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: can't help but remember orlov's point about the deer hunt
colinistheman: And I bet I got a lot more people to join the class action lawsuit
BingoBoingo: No, Jesus died to save, but if you save Jesus... it would really mess with the Xtians
colinistheman: oh, then bfl customers
colinistheman: I think there would be a good market for a promoted domain and blog for BFL fraud info though.
colinistheman: It's a good idea but I don't have the time. I managed to scrap together these few things.
mircea_popescu: colinistheman maybe time to make a blog ?
colinistheman: By the way, this may interest you, mircea_popescu. I posted the following information on BFL's forum and it got deleted. It was a detailed recording of a series of events in the Monarch production timeline. This post got deleted from their forums but I kept a backup because I knew it would. Then I was banned from the forums after providing a lawyer link to every member on BFL forums.
indiancandy1: and hardly show pussy either
kakobrekla: i have a few of those swiss army knifes i got as gifts and they satisfy all my cutting needs
colinistheman: You can sort by price and see items which are more than 5 bit cents. Back to reading the article
kakobrekla: because they are all sized for keychains
colinistheman: otherwise it looks like a huge big number
mircea_popescu: for that matter, bitpay says "If it seems like there should be something here, please let us know by contacting our support team."
colinistheman: I just have it round to the nearest 2 decimal places for sake of neatness
mircea_popescu: colinistheman how come everything's 5 bitcents ?!
mircea_popescu: they all seem broken ?
ThickAsThieves: mp's plot to hide the andreas murder weapon
colinistheman: Most excellent. Yeah, I'm fairly literate and have a few brain cells to knock together
BingoBoingo: colinistheman: I found a broken link http://www.knives4bitcoin.com/products/colt_knives_pocket_knife_titanium_420hc_high_carbon_ct341_camping_fishing_hunter.php
mircea_popescu: colinistheman me personally it did not, i have people whose job it is to do these things. your summary however was quite close to mine, which is the mark of achievement.
mircea_popescu: so practically, get in the wot so i can gift someone a knife.
colinistheman: yes, BFL is the ASIC equivalent of MT GOX
mircea_popescu: colinistheman things change over time
colinistheman: the court case statements back that up
colinistheman: Actually I do not believe they are mining with our hardware. I have been following fairly closely on what is going on
colinistheman: Did you join in the woods law firm court case?
asciilifeform: re: bfl - the sad part is that the entire mining industry, afaik, is based on exactly this kind of chumpatron. and if outright take-money-and-run merits two years of parole, what does, e.g. six month deliberate 'we mine with your hardware' merit? harsh words?
mircea_popescu: only tangentially related to bfl, via the sonny bo\y.
colinistheman: A BFL court case in Italy that went to the supreme court? very nice
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mircea_popescu: colinistheman http://trilema.com/2013/preemptive-strike-to-have-on-hand-for-when-butterfly-labs-gets-hauled-off-to-jail-in-corpore/ wink
colinistheman: I am spreading the word
colinistheman: There are about 50 people already in on it
colinistheman: mircea_popescu: By the way if you, or others want to join the class action lawsuit, it is here: http://www.woodlaw.com/cases/butterfly-labs-and-bf-labs-inc-bitcoin-miners
colinistheman: I realized a lot of people wouldn't read through to find the best parts
mircea_popescu: colinistheman what do you do for a living ?
mircea_popescu: hey there!
colinistheman: Hi guys. I was invited to this chat. I posted the bitcointalk forum thread on Sonny Vleisides (BFL CEO)
BingoBoingo: indiancandy1: Right now is the time for lingering reading and asking questions, understanding come later.
assbot: The tragic, explosive crash of a stolen Tesla – Quartz
decimation: In case no one has seen: http://qz.com/231178/the-tragic-explosive-crash-of-a-stolen-tesla/ << some dumbfuck stole a tesla model S, rammed a pole at ~100 mph, cut the car in half; it caught fire
decimation: I suspect it's quite simple to recruit a staff of chumps to maintain the public propaganda machine too
mircea_popescu: indiancandy1 well, you've found the real world and now are trying to convince yourself you don't have to change to adapt to it.
ThickAsThieves: these people
punkman: it's not even dollars, "To ensure realcoins retain their value at one dollar, the firm will maintain a real-time record of its dollar-based reserves, all held in conservative investments"
ThickAsThieves: "Realcoin will use a Bitcoin 2.0 software protocol known as Mastercoin" the pain!
punkman: "the first dollar-backed digital currency"
asciilifeform: pierce << ideal example of the animal described on one of mircea_popescu's essays - he could be packed into prison for life, any time, based on what's in his file. so he does as instructed.
mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> I thought if you got into trouble you called the Bondsman because the cops were there << not everyone is from chicago.
indiancandy1: i mean like if a girls being raped or something then it comes handy
indiancandy1: well then f you get in trouble ad u call the cops and they need 2 find u how wil they find u
BingoBoingo: I thought most cellphones did a mix of the two
indiancandy1: they was a overflow of pedofiles lurking for lil girls
indiancandy1: thats how you enter its to keep the pedos out
indiancandy1: you have to register with ur cell phone number and they send u a code on sms and
ThickAsThieves: the site everyone visits once
mircea_popescu: so i take it the free part is scam ?
ThickAsThieves: and the value of relationships
BingoBoingo: lol, indiancandy1 you forget the time value of money
mircea_popescu: indiancandy1 no woman. the chick did two vids for like 60 bux each. it's what she does.
asciilifeform: intel's been doing precisely this in cpus since '486 dx' - why not other people?
ThickAsThieves: i heard jupiters have anthrax in them
mircea_popescu: there
indiancandy1: gribble says 624 is that the conversion
asciilifeform: people would notice, fix << i know a fellow with a 'jupiter' miner. most of the time, only a subset of the cores run. fix is nowhere to be seen.
mircea_popescu: indiancandy1 welcome to the world of hard work.
asciilifeform: point wouldn't be to drop the diff, but to ensure that next block goes to one of yours
mircea_popescu: diff is stil the same, how do you think this helps you ? longer blocks ?
mircea_popescu: indiancandy1 i have no idea, whatever whoever is normally buying them from you pays for a bitcoin, divided by 10
asciilifeform: if you can stop all miners but yours - for a given interval - you can plunder blocks at far below the expected energy cost
mircea_popescu: making the miners stop is useless economically.
asciilifeform: gps < difficult - but not impossible - to fit. and what'd be the point? throttle the core unless standing in warehouse XX?
indiancandy1: they can buy
mircea_popescu: indiancandy1 what difference does it make ? i want the guy to join here, i don't care about a bunch of indians that have no bitcoin.
asciilifeform: if you can arrange for, say, the entire crop of 'bfl' units to spin their wheels fruitlessly during known time intervals, your own miners (presumably exempt) can be scheduled to run then and precisely then
ThickAsThieves: <+mircea_popescu> ThickAsThieves still got a tardstalk acct btw ? /// it exists, sometimes i check on my watchlist or click in thru reddit, otherwise i dont go there
ThickAsThieves: <+mircea_popescu> ThickAsThieves: mall bitblog factchecks while bigger names run with false info << who is this mike ? //// dunno, that blog was also fairly on top of all the SR auction updates. guy's not afraid to pick up a phone or something
asciilifeform: time for gedankenexperiment. what payload would be 'useful' in a miner core (vs. the controller, which is normally a standard micro and relatively simple to audit) ?
mircea_popescu: fire them, hire better ones.
indiancandy1: ahaha if the indian media get hold of it though
mircea_popescu: or i guess https://twitter.com/SexyMissSaffron/status/486305081029955586 if you don't have the connection for heavy duty vids.
mircea_popescu: custom hardware by definition, who the hell is going to even know.
asciilifeform: no one seriously cares what was in the fpga miners from 2 yrs. ago
asciilifeform: a miner's a perfect place to hide some strange. esp. in the extant ones, where performance is 'variable' to put it mildly. but really, it is perfect on account of the fact that a miner board is forgotten very soon after it is sold
mircea_popescu: of course on the other hand, if you're a honest bitcoin miner you got nothing to worry about.
asciilifeform: archaeologists will find them.
mircea_popescu: buy a containerful, diagnose the full spectrum.
mircea_popescu: waiting for bfl product delivery ? watch out for bonus goodies on the board from now on...
mircea_popescu: w/o any involvement from the owner.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform done in the manner of the cryptostocks listing of that casino game tho
mircea_popescu: here's a business idea : take failed projects, trim down the text, make kickstarter projects out of them
mircea_popescu: https://www.startjoin.com/comments/project/trollc << yet another thing max keiser promises then fails to follow through
mircea_popescu: if i were buffett, ie, in any way emotionally invested in the continuation of that republic, i'd definitely make it.
punkman: "Now, there is a stench coming from Butterfly Labs. It's a strong smell. It's not enough to send you to prison today"
mircea_popescu: artifexd: It would appear that my assessment of the Germany-Brazil game was a little off... << it happens :p
mircea_popescu: o bfl is shipping. find out it's not from Bitbet in 2013, from the courts in 2014. le win.
mircea_popescu: "Q. The Monarch BPU was said to begin shipping at the end of 2013. Has that happened?
mircea_popescu: "To give you some idea, at PorcFest last year our booth took in about 3 Bitcoin all week. At the time Bitcoin was about $100. This year I took in 3 Bitcoin the first day, when Bitcoin was about $600. By the end of the week we had earned over 8 Bitcoin for our various commercial and non-profit partners, which is a windfall I could hardly believe."
punkman: these germans just can't stop
FabianB: guess they're late
cazalla: there is still time
kyuupichan: Had Muller gotten more than 1 of the goals, the "scorer > 7" bet would suddenly get very interesting
ThickAsThieves: they are donated to Ross Ulbricht
ThickAsThieves: dang they sell all kindsa shit
kyuupichan: Damn another block makes it
artifexd: It would appear that my assessment of the Germany-Brazil game was a little off...
thestringpuller: top comment: "He's offering a derivative with bitpay as the underlying. These are not bitpay shares."
chetty: streets in ba should be nice and quiet while they play
mthreat: if they win tomorrow
kyuupichan: Brazil put up the local school team
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
assbot: Sonny Vleisides (Butterfly Labs CEO) 2014 Court Transcript [The TL/DR version]
assbot: The Tale of CoinJelly - Coin Fire
ThickAsThieves: “We are hoping, with the sale of Bitcoins.com, to provide some relief to the people impacted by the Mt. Gox bankruptcy and will be putting at least half of the sale amount toward that purpose.”
punkman: chetty, but this is the conclusion everyone seems to arrive at: "Two factor authentication is your friend. Don’t put it off."
assbot: The Greatest PorcFest Ever Stolen - Daily Anarchist
assbot: New Law Brings Russia One Step Closer to a 'Closed Internet' - The Wire
chetty: http://www.thewire.com/technology/2014/07/new-law-brings-russia-one-step-closer-to-a-closed-internet/374050/
benkay: sleep more, work out, get better work done during the 30.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
bitstein: ;;later tell bitcoinpete 120 hours a week and they still can't get their servers to stay up. https://twitter.com/niccary/status/486569107631128576
benkay: <mircea_popescu> or wait. this wasn't a case of "secret agent ran off from secret service, MUST be found. also send a message to any other agents looking to defect : we will declare martial law to find you, and we don't care if it's boston" // waaaaat
rithm: not by themselves
mircea_popescu: as much as the russians would beg to differ.
mircea_popescu: "Nearly all, the Chicago Sun-Times notes, were black or Hispanic men age 35 or younger."
mircea_popescu: or wait. this wasn't a case of "secret agent ran off from secret service, MUST be found. also send a message to any other agents looking to defect : we will declare martial law to find you, and we don't care if it's boston"
mircea_popescu: otherwise chicago could have gotten pretty ugly.
mircea_popescu: luckily there was no armed suspect on the loose, like in the case of the boston marathon bomber.
ThickAsThieves: The Purge: Chicago
ThickAsThieves: http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/07/07/329570640/more-than-50-people-were-shot-in-chicago-over-the-holiday-weekend
Pierre_Rochard: re: taleb, if the point hasn’t already been made, isn’t the noble’s retinue paid? If you want a scholar in your court, you may have to bribe him
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ThickAsThieves: maybe feedly will buy them and yahoo can buy it all
bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: they ?
assbot: French Nobility And The Origins of Modern Culture
bitcoinpete: intolerable. The more egalitarian ideologies of the eighteenth century, it may be suggested, offered resolution of contradictions that had become burdensome beyond endurance. From this vantage point, Louis XIV’s rise to power seems less a turning point than does his death."
bitcoinpete: "Nobles explored alternatives to patriarchal ideology not because it was weakening in the seventeenth century but because its hold over them was so very strong. … Seventeenth-century aristocratic culture … placed contradictory demands on its participants, between, for instance, ideals of inheritance and of individual ambition. By the early eighteenth century, the weight of these contradictions had for many nobles become
bitcoinpete: "While it may seem foreign now, at the time, the concept of the person as an individual flew in the face of tradition. Questioning this perspective sowed the seeds of a new worldview where tradition and social hierarchy were displaced in favor of individual pursuits."
bitcoinpete: but you gotta treat the guy more like a foreign dignitary/president/royal that a blogger
bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: myeah. taleb isn't the most sexually inclined type
mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete re 3, i could have strippers crash all his public events. the thing is... that's hostile not friendly.
ThickAsThieves: maybe you hate Warhol art, start buying it up and shitting on it, then sell that art
ThickAsThieves: you leave the ironic ones for next round
ThickAsThieves: thatd be a dun kickstarter theme, funding destruction of historical objects
mircea_popescu: out of those chinese rice things with emperors painted on them
bitcoinpete: not sure the guy watches that much youtube
mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete i'd burn them and send him a youtube of that.
bitcoinpete: then we have something
bitcoinpete: so if you send taleb the dead sea scrolls to his house with a hand-written card asking him to hit dat webchat
mircea_popescu: like suppose i send cia's shadow ops director a buquet of n roses on the day he forgot to send his wife the n number as he should have.
ThickAsThieves: well if TLP watches the vid, does he get any clue of why he might wanna visit #b-a, or what it is?
mircea_popescu: whether these derps get something out of it or not is really secondary, and entirely up to them
mircea_popescu: im not including tlp in the next set for lack of a means to get in touch.
mircea_popescu: life selects. he was smart enough, but he couldn't hear. there's no difference between the deaf and the dumb.
mircea_popescu: or in otherwords : being dumb and deaf keeps one from interacting with the coolness in this world. and the world can't cure it for him.
mircea_popescu: and b) i bet you nobody's bothered to send him an email to point it out, he prolly doesn't read his twitter (or his email for that matter)
mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete sadly the odds of tlp actually seeing that video are nil, because a) he hasn't approved the comment on his blog still. a bunch of fucktards made > 50 comments since then with their fucktardery. if i were him i wouldn't ever read the comments on that blog, i'd rather read coindesk.
ThickAsThieves: i like the WoL logo, like a nerdy yinyang
chetty: looks fine to me, but them I like mpex too
PoUpA: Hi, thanks for the voice lol didn't expected that
mircea_popescu: the whole logo's a rhomboid!
mircea_popescu: btw anyone hating mike's css ? cause DUN SEE NO MOTHERFUCKING ROUNDED CORNERS
ThickAsThieves: theyll have a cleaner surely
bitcoinpete: they'll be landing areas for birds
mike_c: are you suggesting I show the current BTC block for games that haven't started yet? i can do that.
chetty: thanks, the page could use a little more info it doesnt show current block
bitcoinpete: "The ecology of the water body is not likely to be affected much and it will also reduce evaporation, thus helping preserve water levels during extreme summer. Solar panels installed on land, face reduction of yield as the ground heats up. When such panels are installed on a floating platform, the heating problem is solved to a great extent."
ThickAsThieves: and the NMC is all fukt priced
davout: i thought they didn't accept muricans
davout: ThickAsThieves: can you even trade there ?
ThickAsThieves: layout of trading tools is not as intuitive as other sites
assbot: Further derps : D.BSTP, D.CBSE, D.CIFI, D.OKCO, D.XAPO pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
ThickAsThieves: the software and branding are decent
mircea_popescu: anyway, i won't add kraken anyway, not because they're smart or anything, but whatever, it seems like it'd be more like publicity for them than anything
davout: mircea_popescu: i'm in the process of collecting facts that comes before building a considered opinion :-)
mircea_popescu: well he said they don't get it and you seemed to disagree
mircea_popescu: davout since when is "all other" an argument ?