mircea_popescu: maybe it just buys the index
mircea_popescu: this sticks until you actually get to know them financial minds, and find out that yes, they are actualy that
mircea_popescu: under the very flimsy - VERY flimsy - excuse that they aren't really this stupid, they're just trying to cater to the stupid.
mircea_popescu: this is like... the forum 2.0
ThickAsThieves: The research report also announced the launch of the Pantera BitIndex. Measuring seven data points, according to Pantera Capital
kyuupichan: That cosmic ray that does a bitflip between you pressing enter on the password and the software signing the txn
pankkake: right; but the point shouldn't be more addresses, but more holders or locations
mircea_popescu: well that wasn't the best way to say it.
kakobrekla: i checked the faq.
kakobrekla: nowhere does it say they are smart.
kyuupichan: Why TF does bitstamp put all their coins in one huge address? Doesn't seem the smartest plan.
pankkake: though it definitively is easier on the eyes with 110% text-only zoom
pankkake: no, never felt the need to zoom it
kakobrekla: fluffypony thats the result yea
ThickAsThieves: chrome remembers the zoom too mostly
davout: kakobrekla: no actually the terrorists do right align
ThickAsThieves: how is bitbet sposed to be the furst biggest if so small?
ThickAsThieves: theyre also why i canty stand left-aligned websites
ThickAsThieves: i just realized ive had it zoomed way in, cuz the WoL ad is all blurry
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: I'll bet he gets into trouble with some countries for trying to import food to them
ThickAsThieves: just a random note, isnt the bitbet website kinda small, by today's resolution/monitor standards?
mircea_popescu: livers for the whole fambly!
mircea_popescu: so then you;'d have had over 33 bitcoinz ?
kakobrekla: should have done the liver too.
kakobrekla: i did it. apart from the liver.
mircea_popescu: for one thing they still need a house.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla well yes but someone can't put all their net worth into btc.
kakobrekla: half a mio of them in tokyo
kakobrekla: hm, internets say theres liek 7mio millionaire households in usa alone
mircea_popescu: so it seems we're having further problems with teh disks.
mircea_popescu: Duffer1: they'll price it at whatever the hell they want << haven't managed it so far, no. if only it were that easy.
mircea_popescu: kyuupichan: Right. Notice they were placed at the same time - making it highly likely they knew each other were going to bet. There was no public discussion. Hence my suspicion it's kako. << kako only has 31.35 btc.
mircea_popescu: they're not doing so hawt :p
assbot: BitBet - Argentina beats Netherlands :: 50.07 B (60%) on Yes, 32.96 B (40%) on No | closing in 11 hours 28 minutes | weight: 20`762 (100`000 to 10`000)
davout: pankkake: because answer got lost on the way
pankkake: the other advantage is that you can wait for the return… and give up waiting after expiration
mircea_popescu: davout what's netherlands, like a team or something ?
kakobrekla: basically regardless of which protocol you pick these things can happen
kakobrekla: but i was thinking in a sense - you submit your order via whatever protocol and there is some delay to response or it may never come
assbot: Some dude in r/soccer made the best bet of his life - Imgur
pankkake: the issue is that mails can sometimes be stuck for days
kakobrekla: <pankkake> I was thinking of e-mail interface, it seemed ideal. except you'd probably want to set an expiration for the order < yeah i was thinking same yesterday
FabianB: "12:49 <+davout> e-mail interface would be neat-o" <-- looks like the irc interface is down as well, so it's probably not the frontend server, it's the trade engine itself
davout: that's actually the kind of interface i was thinking about when trying to figure out how to handle DDoS without cloudflare
davout: pankkake: that for one, also linking orders to responses would be another issue
pankkake: I was thinking of e-mail interface, it seemed ideal. except you'd probably want to set an expiration for the order
assbot: MPEx, the Bitcoin securities exchange.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
davout: ;;later tell mircea_popescu "it's gonna be 25-0 for germany" <<< implying netherlands won't buttraep argentina :D
ThickAsThieves: <+kyuupichan> Is the leverage on bitfinex mostly long or short or pretty balanced? //// there's a meter on the site
cazalla: ISIS videos have been on there for weeks
cazalla: yeah but they usually last longer
pankkake: the video was public, with nudity. duh
kyuupichan: Is the leverage on bitfinex mostly long or short or pretty balanced?
fluffypony: pity they don't have Fallkniven or Benchmade
fluffypony: actually that knives4bitcoin site is kinda cool, I'm just not in the market for anything atm
assbot: Police Use Dog To Find Memory And Hard Drives In Search : The Two-Way : NPR
TheNewDeal: gotta head to bed, but I'll leave you with this. Child-porn sniffing dawgs http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/07/08/329501226/police-use-dog-to-find-memory-hard-drives-in-search?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_content=20140708
TheNewDeal: great for the bitcoin economy. simply amazing
TheNewDeal: why the tears nubbins'?
TheNewDeal: wonder if the first underground economy was above ground or below
TheNewDeal: that's the term I was looking for
nubbins`: wow, still authed
TheNewDeal: I also heard the black market of employment is increasing at a faster rate than that of typical tax-payer employment
TheNewDeal: I think the mt cox fiasco really messed with the price, wouldn't be surprised if we were sub 1200 by years end
kyuupichan: Well the first 6 months have been pretty "meh". :)
TheNewDeal: ahhh gotcha, I guess there is a grey area with indicies of equities
TheNewDeal: S&P 500 is sitting at a fragile 1900 at the moment
TheNewDeal: I think you would probably just need a bitstamp like company to go Mt Gox, have a bunch of fishy shit go down, and the other exchanges follow the lead
TheNewDeal: pretty much what you said there
kyuupichan: I guess it's useful for stats. Not very private though which is why I wondered why people do it. Maybe they just don't care.
TheNewDeal: don't feel the need to change it up often
kyuupichan: Why do you reuse the address? Just curious.
kyuupichan: TheNewDeal: Your 1Q9Q6 no?
TheNewDeal: not that I have a say in the matter :D
mike_c: er, * percentage they do own i mean
mike_c: 1% * (percentage they don't own) - expenses.
TheNewDeal: how much would one recover from the losing side, considering they owned a large portion of bitbet shares?
TheNewDeal: assuming 16tAo is kako, and 1K4fs is mp, how much does each make in the winning/losing scenario
kyuupichan: Right. Notice they were placed at the same time - making it highly likely they knew each other were going to bet. There was no public discussion. Hence my suspicion it's kako.
assbot: BitBet - Argentina beats Netherlands :: 50.07 B (60%) on Yes, 32.96 B (40%) on No | closing in 19 hours 35 minutes | weight: 28`366 (100`000 to 10`000)
kyuupichan: TheNewDeal: I believe it's kako, but I could be wrong
asciilifeform: Breathes there the man, with soul so dead, / Who never to himself hath said, / This is my own, my native shell! / Whose heart hath ne'er within him burn'd, / As home his footsteps he hath turn'd, / From wandering on a winblows hell!
asciilifeform: lives there a man who doesn't use nano? (or, 'pico' ?)
mircea_popescu: bring the strippers.
BingoBoingo: http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2014/07/08/smallpox_discovered_old_laboratory_produces_surprising_find.html
decimation: if only they would have seen the value they would have also purchased whatsapp for $20bn
decimation: the DoD was very clever in its spending of $0.6 billion for crapware
decimation: "The Defense Department has leveraged the buying power of more than two million information technology users to award a three-year, $617 million joint enterprise license agreement for Microsoft products, defense officials announced."
BingoBoingo: Spac isn't bad either before Sparc III
asciilifeform: (why? ask them - not me)
decimation: yeah, the amount of extra work you have to go through to meet mil-spec for avionics, etc, why bother changing software?
asciilifeform: decimation: 'minuteman' and many other american products still run on vax (in their 'modernized' variants!)
assbot: Brazil blown out by Germany at World Cup: How will it effect President Dilma Rousseff in the upcoming election?
BingoBoingo: http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_spot/2014/07/08/brazil_blown_out_by_germany_at_world_cup_how_will_it_effect_president_dilma.html
BingoBoingo: Blackbag operation against the groundhog stealling all of the soon to be tomatoes last week was satisfying
decimation: wonder how many backyard warriors are planning on killing the neighbor's kids while "defending" their home with an ak?
BingoBoingo: Plastic ratshot still messes drywall. Also... I want it for the challenge. Not smashing spiders with a weapon capable of felling a snake
decimation: it's actually quite elegant, rids you of the need to come up with some silly signed integer representation
assbot: Balanced ternary - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
decimation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balanced_ternary "Donald Knuth has pointed out that truncation and rounding are the same operation in balanced ternary ? they produce exactly the same result (a property shared with other balanced numeral systems). "
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: There are still WWI era Springfields that are in nice shape, but with the Enfields... "British Industry" producers of fine cars that have a commonality with puppies in their leaving of puddles
assbot: Ternary computer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
decimation: and the american machines were already "new jersey" style
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i might have mentioned this once, long ago. what killed? the decision to copy american machines to run warez.
decimation: I find that amusing, perhaps when the 'end of moore' comes, ternary computers will reappear
decimation: I was reading about the history of computers the other day ascii - early soviet machines were balance ternary!
assbot: Baggage X-ray machine part 6 - inside the black box. - YouTube
asciilifeform: love how they eventually admitted that it was a '50s russian discovery
asciilifeform tried to build the famous scotch tape xray
decimation: now imagine what kind of chance the average airport mouthbreather has to figure things out
dignork: the guy made a long film out of it, but he managed to turn it on, and then was brave/stupid enough to disassemble particle emitter
cazalla: mircea_popescu: there is a new exchange here in au, cointree.com.au, i emailed and invited them here, they were happy to meet for coffee or do a google hangout but no show here :\
mircea_popescu: and gotta keep pumping them "news"
mircea_popescu: cazalla the disadvantage of running a neobee is that you get the "no news" people on your case
decimation: this guy on the UK side was having a field day http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craig_Harrison_%28sniper%29
asciilifeform: naturally, 'massaged' mosins, not the usual surplus market
decimation: well sure, but they have $100 to spend on pashtoon ak or enfield :)
mircea_popescu: in that sense they need sniper rifles not frigging enfields.
decimation: afghanistan is the ideal long-distance shooting country
mircea_popescu: decimation "the half dozen or so men moved several hundred meters away and drew lots to see who would fire in what order."
asciilifeform: russia produced millions of them, and they can be had in original crate (!) for about 100 usd.
mircea_popescu: diametric not bad. i like your guy better than the agilent guy
asciilifeform: decimation: looked solid in the film.
BingoBoingo: Futbol would be a lot more interesting if the World Cup's championship game was just Klose and Messi taking shots from the goal line for 90 minutes
decimation: I suspect the gaskets are something like this http://www.chomerics.com/products/emi/gaskets/wovenwires/index.html
asciilifeform: the dissector fellow ought to have known this.
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asciilifeform: the gaskets are usually 'mu metal'
decimation: I can't find any comments about the gaskets, youtube sucks
decimation: this was probably a demo unit, if the agilent sales guys gave it to him
decimation: " It's not unusual for the first couple of units to have components changed by designers who are not expert solderers just to prove that the mod works as intended. Once everyone is happy then some of these units become demo models, "
decimation: on the guy's forum someone talks about the bodge wires: http://www.eevblog.com/forum/blog/eevblog-470-agilent-n9344c-20ghz-spectrum-analyser-teardown/msg233302/#msg233302
mircea_popescu: someone leave him the comment he asks for ?
asciilifeform: for anyone overcome with urges, there's an emulator somewhere, if i recall.
decimation: heh yeah that's the autonetics deal
asciilifeform: it is only a surprise to folks who were never left alone with them
decimation: yeah this video is unusally good for this guy, usually he just rambles at the camera for an hour rather than showing the goods
decimation: that way they don't have to slow down assembly line with firmware burner
decimation: yeah I just saw what you were talking about, the one in the middle of the board is to load new firmware
decimation: the max "resolution bandwidth" for the device is only 3 MHz, that's the width of its filter as it tracks over 20 GHz
asciilifeform: decimation: not necessarily. usually these patterns are crapped out by software.
BingoBoingo: mike_c: You asymmetric seeding of the pot this round may have fucked you https://btc.waroflife.com/gow/16/
asciilifeform: note (e.g. at 47 minutes) the pcb-as-passive-component trick
decimation: yeah that's why all the shielding (preventing logic spurious signals)
mircea_popescu: decimation i thought the claim was 20ghz of bw
decimation: it makes an image of the spectrum, sampled over a period of time
mircea_popescu: look at some of the examples of ancient gemcutting, you'll be impressed.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> but go make the die for shells with file. << women, diamond dust, fingers.
mircea_popescu: which'd be the scam.
mircea_popescu: but they claim to be differen
asciilifeform: take N independent adc, and stagger the sampling phases
mircea_popescu: <decimation> heh yeah the a/d converter next to the 'bodge wires' is only 40 MHz 12-bit << wtf. so 20ghz is a scam ?
asciilifeform: but go make the die for shells with file.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> i see nothing in there that couldn't be milled on an ordinary desktop cnc machine. << this.
decimation: heh you mean the gps?
asciilifeform: take the agilent scope, and fly it to north korea
decimation: heh yeah, most of what you pay for is in the tracking oscillator
decimation: yeah I guess if they aren't tight you are going to get alot of cold joints
asciilifeform: tension on the pads
decimation: I think you typically glue the components down first
decimation: actually the best solution is probably a wave-soldering machine
decimation: on the youtubes people just use a squeegie
asciilifeform: decimation: not only this - but you need a fairly costly 'printing press' to apply the paste evenly through the gasket.
asciilifeform: decimation: at present time, i apply the paste with a pump. tried plastic templates (laser cut), wasn't satisfied.
asciilifeform: gotta love the 'bodge wire' (patch.) ~25 min. in film.
asciilifeform: i see nothing in there that couldn't be milled on an ordinary desktop cnc machine.
asciilifeform: also note that the machined cavity is SOP in military electronics
decimation: in a proper technology company you would keep your high-end engineers busy building esoteric stuff, while their knowledge & expertise trickles down to other areas
decimation: "agilent" is going to go to the bio-bezzle company
decimation: I know, but they are going to spinoff again
asciilifeform: agilent is just the old hp instrument division, spun off
decimation: asciilifeform - but to your point about bio stuff - that's probably why agilent is keeping the agilent name for the bio side of the new company
asciilifeform: a miserable little spectrophotometer (every bio lab on the planet) runs about 50k.
asciilifeform: decimation: i bet the thing still uses staggered (out of phase) multiple ADC, though
indiancandy1: a romanian one and all there food is garlicy when u sweat does it smell like garlic?
decimation: these guys will make you machined aluminium: http://www.ponoko.com/make-and-sell/materials/ponoko-united-states?kind=Metal&mode=materials
indiancandy1: there is a restaurant in harlesden
asciilifeform: (whether 200 or 200k)
asciilifeform: decimation: my chicom dirtscope has one built in. but, have to understand limits of the instrument.
asciilifeform: decimation: shield design, note, is quite like mine. (and everyone else's!) i'd love to have the machined aluminum cavity, though. but cost.
mircea_popescu: tightly packed handled mass produced electronics like these...
asciilifeform: decimation: if you can reassemble the thing later, it's like it never happened.
mircea_popescu: decimation hence the paste comment
decimation: the system is complex, it needs to separate the RF portion from the computer portion, and also conduct heat. I suspect compromises were made between the competing priorities
decimation: 3e8 m/s / 20 GHz = 15 mm wavelength at 20 Ghz - that's why you see all the esoteric shielding
decimation: there are some interesting design choices (some he points out, some he doesn't). as ascii would say, figuring out the details is an excercise for the alert reader
decimation: so that's what he focuses on, the board construction
decimation: heh yeah for him the computer is the uninteresting part, he cares about the rf parts hehe
mircea_popescu: what interests him are the fully machined aluminum blocks.
mircea_popescu: the smart comment was re "some processors or something but we don't care about that"
decimation: they are famous for making $20k test equipment that runs windows xp
mircea_popescu: how do i know it's the actual thing if he doesn';t sample anything with it first ?
decimation: the us still makes very high quality stuff, you just have to pay golden toliet prices to get it
decimation: asciilifeform: you can watch the loud australian guy teardown an $18k 20ghz spectrum analyzer made by agilent http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QBFIfKlvHU
BingoBoingo: I hope for an Argentina Germany final where the only players to survive the jerkoff pregame festivities are Messi and Klose
mircea_popescu: the problem of mono teams.
mircea_popescu: they raped that team
TheNewDeal: not sure if he didn't know the english word for siete
BingoBoingo: Anytime the Decimal odds on Serena Williams opponent pays under 10, Serena doesn't win. You can turn 0.1 BTC into 1 BTC that way with decent regularity.
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal lmao i can see tha
TheNewDeal: I was freaking out today. Just bet against the top scorer last night, then some mexican dude whips out his phone today at work and was telling me germany had 9 goals
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: Difficulty isn't as lucrative as betting against Serena Williams
cazalla: indiancandy1: do you like Germans? my oma met the fuhrer
TheNewDeal: haha you want to bet but aren't interested in watching the game?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: And you know that because people are doing their jobs atm
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo no actually they're not screaming atm
mircea_popescu: indiancandy1 i watched the last 5 minutes of germany-brazil by accident
indiancandy1: are you watching the argentina game?
mircea_popescu: lol the dude just left ?!
colinistheman: Thank you for also spreading the word on BFL. I will continue to do what I can and I'm glad it helped in any way.
colinistheman: every crime boss has their henchmen
mircea_popescu: an offensive derp, but nonetheless.
colinistheman: I used to blame BFL_Josh for the poor show at BFL. Well, I still do. But Sonny is the kingpin behind the scenes. That's the real meat and potatoes crime boss
colinistheman: From what I gather, sonny vleisides, carried on the scam of his father. Your article seems to touch upon this. "I came to know my real father only as an adult. So when I got the opportunity to know him better, I was eager and curious. His name was James Ray Houston:
asciilifeform: replaced the blade with a wooden one.
asciilifeform: goes something like this. one samurai had the misfortune of breaking his wakizashi (short sword - 'sidearm.') but he was a cheapskate.
colinistheman: (the boker trapper)
asciilifeform: colinistheman: interesting site. what does one sharpen a titanium knife with ?
colinistheman: that's kind of like the emperor of bitcoin status