BingoBoingo: Sure. And I mean it enforces the thing where everything on that service really is worthless game tokens.
moiety: i feel bad that when people join and ask me about doge i have to tell them i dont use it >.>
gribble: The operation succeeded.
moiety: in other places
BingoBoingo: I'd like to get this one out on the first.
moiety: see the derp-api died fully finally
moiety: OH i have my pi back up! i'll look at the thing kako gave me to set up a bouncer
BingoBoingo: I see you got caught in the netsplit
BingoBoingo: OR the thing I summoned which is a ticker for Altcoin
assbot: A third of consumers with credit files had debts in collections last year - The Washington Post
DreadKnight: it's never ever wise to keep all money in the same spot ffs
cazalla: fortunately the right people have a good amount of coins, can you imagine the likes of andreas with thousands
cazalla: well, that too but they were warned
DreadKnight: it's not like I actually mined dollars in the first place to begin with xD
DreadKnight: yes, but screw that, people can trade bucks rather
mircea_popescu: putting the excess population by satoshi prophecy at about 6bn
mircea_popescu: maybe the point was to make bitcoin so that every person has one.
DreadKnight: because bitcoin was on the tv news quite a few times around here at least
DreadKnight: average joe won't know about bitcoin unless the elite implements it in businesses and requires it
mircea_popescu: the point is for bitcoin to be as powerful as possible.
mircea_popescu: the point is not for some random fuckwits to "have a chance".
mircea_popescu: you're focusing on the wrong things.
DreadKnight: I was considering ASICs as a "the rich get richer" sort of thing, but considering their utility/cost/risks, it's all good
DreadKnight: thought some people got into btc early and mined with cpu and gpu, now that's not useful; some of those people got rich and can easily afford lots of asics now to continue mining and make some more money, but they invested in some hardware which was not very usable for anything else and quite a risk, so it kinda forced bitcoin to be a non burstable bubble because of the hardware
mircea_popescu: that's silly. asics are a major building block in our power. the only reason we're still fighting today is that we had asics in time.
DreadKnight: well, don't know about etherum, but I wish bitcoin was non-ASIC-able
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mircea_popescu: the only way to do this is long after we've defeated everyone.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> (in which case, what kind of fortress could possibly suffice) << hence the rape comment.
mircea_popescu: in any event it's a fortressy thing to do. "here is money for the taking. take it only like so, or else you die"
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: an atm requires a fortress... << to house the mechanism itself? or, its owner? << yes.
mircea_popescu: justusranvier the problem is what do you do to preven tit from being attacked ?
KRS-One: They must have a lot to learn.
KRS-One: just thought it was funny how bitcoin is worldwide yet the btc channels go dead when the US sleeps.
BingoBoingo: This bet resolves as Yes if the HKD trades at 7.65 HKD per USD or stronger at any time before February 2015.
BingoBoingo: The Hong Kong dollar was pegged at 7.80 HKD per USD in 1983. Recently it has been trading at 7.75 HKD per USD, the strongest the HKMA permits it to float in the band around the peg.
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: I know. Not Revolutionary though, because MP already does it.
penguirker: New blog post: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/07/29/the-problem-with-breaking-news/
asciilifeform: !up TheNewDeal
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: The Transition. | Contravex: A blog by Peter Dushenski
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell pete_dushenski Should have at least named the blog MooseCocks Re: http://contravex.com/2014/07/29/the-transition/
asciilifeform: is the presumption that the 'saecular authorities' will not prosecute the theft of a btc atm ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: an atm requires a fortress... << to house the mechanism itself? or, its owner?
BingoBoingo: !up TheNewDeal
BingoBoingo: A lesson in Internet Etiquette #blogging http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/07/29/actual-internet-etiquette-trackbacks-and-spam/
cc: @HashReport
penguirker: New blog post: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/07/29/actual-internet-etiquette-trackbacks-and-spam/
justusranvier: The Bitcoin ATMs I describe serve the Bitcoin traders. Frees them up from having to meet at the same time to perform their trades.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well more nonsense when you aren't in the thick of ground zero
the20year1: bitcoin doesn't serve the public?
mircea_popescu: so for these considerations, it makes about as much sense to talk of bitcoin atms as it makes sense to talk of using wet matches to shoot down Mars.
mircea_popescu: on the other hand, an atm is addressed to and aims to serve the public. bitcoin does not.
mircea_popescu: specifically : an atm requires a fortress. we have not yet built the fortress. when we do, you will know we have, because i will kidnap a number of "world leaders" wives and daughters to be publicly raped there as to make the fucking point that in fact it IS a fortress.
mircea_popescu: justusranvier my idea at least is that an atm is the most fucktarded idea one could come up with.
mircea_popescu: he's someone's something, which also neatly explains why they put one of the few dea agents with a functioning brain on the case, and spent so much time and effort on it.
mircea_popescu: jurov: good. would be 0.5BTC okay for both? i'll then add "sponsored by CoinBr" stuff << cool beanz
the20year1: Seeems that hookers n blow comment has finally come up on the forums, i feel like such a celeb
the20year1: There?
BingoBoingo: !up the20year1
mircea_popescu: jurov: there may be one global, but there will always be plenty of local ones, often with contradicting information << now this i see.
BingoBoingo: !up the20year
mircea_popescu: mike_c the rest of snl is not there yet. sort-of how the aliens with a telephone are half sesame street.
assbot: - <b>THE PRIZE OF PERIL</b>
mircea_popescu: i fucking can't to, it feels like all the idiot kids that i flunked in philosophy class ran off and made blogs.
asciilifeform is seeing this marvel for the first time
asciilifeform: success... name out there << is this quote from 'spam like a pro in 21 days' ?
mircea_popescu: (quite unsurprisingly. it is the curse of the us-ian, this particular stupidity, to have to reinvent everything, make it shoddier and flimsier and strut proudly. but hey, at least some stones in a hat taught him ancient aramaic)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: actually 99%+ of the material, afaik, these folks would find agreeable, is... in russian. (they're, unsurprisingly, quite unaware.)
mike_c: thick_as_thieves:mike_c i love the analysis << thx :) it was fun.
mircea_popescu: fuck me, i thought myself the alpha and omega of right wing anarchy. i guess i don't get out enough.
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mircea_popescu: http://theumlaut.com/2014/07/29/a-gentle-introduction-to-neoreaction-for-libertarians/ << so check it out, teh princess manges to go through an entire mile long post about right wing anarchy throwing out ~1k links, never mentions trilema.
mike_c: mircea_popescu: i believe that is the point for buyers like 'indacoin', whatever the hell that is
BingoBoingo: Well isn't bitmain the people actually delivering asics now?
mircea_popescu: it's not worth it for any of them, just, they don';t have the option not to do it. if they don't do it they don;t exist. so gotta do it.
mike_c: bitmain isn't scammer afaik. that's antminer, right? they deliver.
asciilifeform: it was ~1/min before it started to live in the #b-a log.
mike_c: 1,526,113 per day for the whole site if my fogged-brain is doing this right
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu> you have got to be kidding me, 400k impressions a day is ludicrous. trilema does more than the tardstalk ?! << tardstalk has prolly already bored all the spooks
mircea_popescu: but for the whole week ?
mircea_popescu: you have got to be kidding me, 400k impressions a day is ludicrous. trilema does more than the tardstalk ?!
ben_vulpes: i suppose people don't care if things are quantifiable, only if they put their stuff in front of the right audience
mircea_popescu: tbh i'd rather advertise on 4chan.
mike_c: bitmain bought half the slots this week
ben_vulpes: <mike_c> i looked at the price for advertising and was shocked. 1 slot (which is 1/8 of impressions) for 1 week is going for ~3 btc << >?!
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: lit. "son of the fox" - albeit pidgin hebrew
mircea_popescu: mike_c yes, for as long as it lasts milking the scampit is lucrative.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's a point of great wonder, the man not only had the means to find a girl actually named fox after her father, but sense enough to switch names.
mike_c: i looked at the price for advertising and was shocked. 1 slot (which is 1/8 of impressions) for 1 week is going for ~3 btc
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> gentlemen, wtf with the underscores ? // my handle's been outdated by reality for a long time now.
HeySteve: couldn't get the pose as extreme as in the "kitchen" pic but it's fairly close: http://i.imgur.com/cn01ZnT.jpg
BingoBoingo: Basically in the PCP hole, body can't report pain/sensory data to the brain and brain can't impose coherent order upon the body.
asciilifeform: in the actual police documents, the plausible data - suspect requiring a few more doughnut eaters than usual to subdue
BingoBoingo: Because deep in the k-hole you can't fire signals to move around. That deep in PCP that body runs blind
mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> PCP is a dissociative anesthetic similar to ketamine, but with less effect on the ability to move skeletal muscles << exactly so.
asciilifeform: (usg trials. for some reason, just about all the tear-off tabs on the 'volunteers needed' ad - stayed attached. one can infer that most people want > 1k usd for this.)
BingoBoingo: PCP is a dissociative anesthetic similar to ketamine, but with less effect on the ability to move skeletal muscles
asciilifeform: legend, afaik, is based on the 'feature' of it being anaesthetic without any soporific effect - so user could indeed use 'great strength' at the cost of tearing muscles.
mircea_popescu: pcp is more of a cop/courthouse legend from the 80s
asciilifeform: pixeldust << synthetic dope that drives user mad while giving him extraordinary strength? (or was that another 'dust' ?)
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mircea_popescu: meanwhile in the kitchen, http://38.media.tumblr.com/065d75d3ad7f8fe2bcbddad3084cd7d7/tumblr_mjlzqbsNO01rt1p0go1_500.jpg
HeySteve: yep. I'll send him another message, ask him to come here and talk about it
BingoBoingo: Huh, I can't seem to see a genericpersona derping in the lawgs
HeySteve: (perhaps it's more accurate to say I re-had the idea, seeing as nanotube was looking at decentralising the WoT ages ago)
HeySteve: I had the idea but know next to nothing about code so he was doing the heavy lifting there
HeySteve: my dev in thailand has dropped off the radar lately tho
HeySteve: thick_as_thieves, we got pretty far. forked NMC and had a blockchain running you could use to add and retrieve public keys and other details like name, email, business, etc.
thick_as_thieves: however, the USMS should have news about the SR auction in a week or two, which could spark something
thick_as_thieves: mike_c i love the analysis
DreadKnight: the current ghetto I'm living in is real proof of that movie, making it funny because it's real
DreadKnight: !up TheRelic
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the parallel construction in the case of your local doughnut eater is largely 'automatic' - i.e., they get 'anonymous tip' and proceed via traditional means
moiety: o i like that... i like it all in together, less for me to break
thick_as_thieves: so there's that
moiety: thanks for the advice guys :] i think it will be a while before i can get set up withthat properly
kakobrekla: asciilifeform i had the same doubts and for response i got underscores thrown in my head.
asciilifeform: gentlemen, wtf with the underscores ?
moiety: the advice is much appreciated, thank you thick_as_thieves
moiety: sorry, theres a lot more to this than i initially thought
thick_as_thieves: basically the thing(s) between your mic and pc
moiety: christ i didn't know they would be that much
thick_as_thieves: but thats $350 or so and you then need a preamp
thick_as_thieves: the default is probly and SM7b
moiety: I have some other voice things to do
assbot: GPG authentication - bitcoin-otc wiki
jurov: http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/GPG_authentication i see, there is one but poor quality and the iOS link is dead
pogakuofie: you doing another video
moiety: I'd be happy to do the voice over
assbot: Bitcoin-OTC Trolling - Rating Trolling - GPG Authentication Lulz EP 1 - YouTube
pogakuofie: the big dip has started
BigBitz: there is a video for otc auth i think...
dub: make him do the screengrab for you to voice
jurov: well, now you realise. you can name the price
moiety: dub: i said yes when i didn't realise it was all the recording as well
jurov: well, you can throw something in the pot if you think it will be useful
jurov: when done, we'll do the same for ios
jurov: the script would be you installing gpg4win, first time registering with gribble and authentication
jurov: anyone'd like to help with wondows/mac script then?
jurov: good. would be 0.5BTC okay for both? i'll then add "sponsored by CoinBr" stuff
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: moiety: Well, it won't sound like that to other scots at least
moiety: thank you! been really scared cus i only just got the thing
moiety: my ears were burning form the logs XD
jurov: ben_vulpes they introduced t2.micro, should be better
ben_vulpes: argh fuck the t1.micro
atcbot: [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 0.03 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 1727.91 GH/s
HeySteve: believe I've found the answer to America's border security issues: http://www.global-unlimited.com/Pages/Wildlife/SALeeuw.html
midnightmagic: work out awesome physics problems." "I don't trust this guy to trade bitcoins with, he keeps stealing meat off my BBQ when I'm not looking." Or better yet, more narrowly, "I trust this guy, but I don't trust his ability to evaluate other peoples' trust."
midnightmagic: the statement of a trust factor is the person making the judgement. if the WoT is dual, then the person would conceivably be forced to make more than one update, so the win would be externalizing the cost in terms of time onto the end-users. a second WoT would be useful in the event that the trust statements were of non-overlapping domains, such as trading confidence vs. (say) physics capability. "I trust this guy to correctly
unseen: will try the coinbr thing, though
unseen: not quite there yet.
unseen: mircea_popescu:the cost with a car should be 5% the car, 95% the gas. not 95% the car then sit around it listening to music. << so basically stack of 600BTC recommended for a seat at the table
jurov: <mircea_popescu> jurov: the solution is to not have one global wot for everything << i don't see it. << there may be one global, but there will always be plenty of local ones, often with contradicting information
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller doesn't :D
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: is copying mircea_popescu << no he's copying pete.
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mircea_popescu: the cost with a car should be 5% the car, 95% the gas. not 95% the car then sit around it listening to music.
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> unseen you know what they say, best time to open a mpex acct was when it was free. 2nd best is now. << also, don't blow your btc stack on a seat.
rithm: after the fact
rithm: i added that "d" on the front
mircea_popescu: rithm: right then we just devolve into some sort of ruling wot class << this is not properly called "devolve". this is improvement.
mircea_popescu: just like there's one global currency for everything, that's the nature of currencies whether they measure trust or capital or whatever form of that same underlying.
mircea_popescu: however you implement it, the situation in fact is that you have one global wot for everything.
mircea_popescu: jurov: the solution is to not have one global wot for everything << i don't see it.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves: now you can't escape the system << this is exactly true.
mircea_popescu: political views are just as valid as economical views. the distinction is not nearly as clear cut as you'd like it to imagine.
rithm: when i see kids negrate flamewar each other for political views, i tend to stick to the 1:1 trade mentality
mircea_popescu: i thought it was more. anyway, for a long time kako had usagi + even if the consensus in the chan is -.
rithm: within the last 90 days
rithm: i know for a fact i saw someone rate someone because of their abortion views
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user kakobrekla to user usagi: Level 1: 1, Level 2: -3 via 10 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=kakobrekla&dest=usagi | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=usagi | Rated since: Mon Jun 18 12:33:55 2012
mircea_popescu: in general tho, the wot benefits from fostering variety of approach. centralising a "set of rating practices" is actualy a valid attack
mircea_popescu: well, how the fuck would i know ? maybe that's hoiw your magic works.
rithm: rating someone because they look cool or seems smart is fruitless
mircea_popescu: mike_c: rithm: but it's only harmful if 'total points' is a thing. joe schmoe isn't going to change thhe gettrust between you and others. <<< if the wot db ends up larger than ten blockchains it may become a problem to host.
mircea_popescu: the wot would really work just as good as a balnced ternary sistem really.
artifexd: Kinda like reading the negative reviews on Amazon first
artifexd: And the positive or negative of the rating is an indication of whether you have negative or positive information?
fluffypony: so a much bigger threat to the WoT than a rating that reflects the trade is that few of us actually go and talk to the people raters to get a feel for the person we're about to deal with
mircea_popescu: that's the big point there. your rating quantity is not about them at all. it's about you. you're describing yourself, as a repository of knowledge.
fluffypony: I'd expect that someone that wants to deal with them will come talk to me and say "I see you did a $100 trade with rg...is he trustworthy?"
mircea_popescu: yes, no argument there.
fluffypony: so now I should not rate them?
fluffypony: I "know" nothing about them beyond that
assbot: What the WoT is for, how it works and how to use it. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/ << mp InSiStS.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony the new orthodoxy being that ratings reflect the quality of your knowledge of the person. not the deal.
mircea_popescu: "how did you manage a total score of 5000 while nobody of the 300 people i know ever dealt with you ?"
fluffypony: and even though the WoT itself isn't quantitative, it doesn't mean that ratings can't have quantitatively reflect the value of dealings
fluffypony: danielpbarron: I don't disagree with genericpersona, those ratings are far from the biggest threat to the WoT
mike_c: " it reflects the probability of a user being in your network." << who needs probabilities? gettrust works.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: hopefully within not so very long having to pay someone already in the wot to be able to get in the wot will be common practice, and then all will be well.
mircea_popescu: and slavery is right and proper. if you're not into the wot, that is at your peril, and at great cost to you.
mircea_popescu: it is GOOD that existent users can make new users unable to become users. this is the bitcoin implementation of slavery.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron: i think all users should be able to give ratings; doesn't matter if they are trolls or scammers << it's not really a good idea, because spamming.
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mircea_popescu: mike_c: nanotube: why show "total points" on rating page? i thought that was supposed to be a meaningless number. << it's not entirely meaningless. it reflects the probability of a user being in your network.
mircea_popescu: Blazedout419: for a business bad ratings can hurt more than for a regular user << this is widely held but empirically disproven. consider the muchly discussed case of bitbet.
mircea_popescu: omfg this is the funniest thing i ever read.
mircea_popescu: According to the records, the first and only outgoing call that was ever placed utilizing the account was to my undercover telephone number. This caff was pfaced on March 17, 2014 at 4:31 p.m. and went unanswered. Jones received three incoming calls that were answered. One call was from me and is detailed in this affidavit. The additjonal answered incoming telephone calls appear to have been from telemarketers.
mircea_popescu: THIS WAS BUILT FROM THE GROUND UP WITH SECURITY IN MIND!!!11
mircea_popescu: The records turther detailed that the application was installed on an Apple iPhone that was titled 'Matthew Jones iphone. << secure minded fellow, he didn't use the carrier phone #, he got a special app.
mircea_popescu: o bro. so why was this guy connected to bitcoin anyway ? seems like an ordinary two bit crook with a beanie baby on the coffee table
mircea_popescu: and then speak to jennifer, his gf...
mircea_popescu: the part where they degrade the arrangement to the point they talk to the guy on the phone, and then send direct dollars to his bank acct...
mircea_popescu: ahahah not really above and beyond to catch him, just probing the shit out of it.
godovo: they really went above and beyond to catch this guy, impressive
mircea_popescu: On October 9, 2013, I made contact with CALIGIRL utilizing the Bitmessage program and the 'trusted' Bitmessage address CALIGIRL provided. << nice use of airquotes there lol
mircea_popescu: well this particular texan cali girl will probably be happier in the pen than on the street anyway.
mircea_popescu: http://pastebin.com/gKMdf7AF << kinda interesting. the guy's apparently net negative trust, and has been, since november.
mike_c: there you go. btcalpha should start consulting.
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user dynamite`: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=dynamite%60 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=dynamite%60 | Rated since: Wed Jan 2 17:42:41 2013
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user dynamite: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=dynamite | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=dynamite | Rated since: never
mike_c: more in-depth won't get read. slapping a "insured by mpex" seal on the homepage will be seen.
mircea_popescu: what is needed is perhaps more in depth explaining of how great the system is, as it is.
jurov: and watch the orderbook for nefarious activity
mircea_popescu: mebbe ask them. "what'd make you feel better" thing
mircea_popescu: jurov the point is not to give a n accurate list of accounts. the point is to have checkpoints showing you're not spending it on booze.