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ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: what's the deal with lordosis?
mircea_popescu: all these noobs going join/part are kinda lulzy by now
BingoBoingo: decimation: it will be interesting to see what happens to the bitcoin price when the COIN ETF turns on << "Paper" BTC sell
asciilifeform: but that means replacing all the silicon with something. and retrofitting leds.
decimation: so this means the controller must poll?
asciilifeform: i have a (stock) 122, gathering dust
asciilifeform: the keys don't send 'break' codes
asciilifeform: decimation: these, if i recall, suck
decimation: probably worth the price if you are in a hurry
decimation: that's pretty much the equivalent of breaking windows, replacing them with more expensive (yet worse) windows (heh), and counting the whole project as a net positive GDP
decimation: I still don't understand why serial terminals went out of style, seems like the perfect solution to point of sale units, etc
decimation: ah the model M terminal keyboard to usb hack is cool
assbot: Frequently Asked Questions about the National Security Agency (NSA)
decimation: asciilifeform: http://www.nsa.gov/careers/FAQs/index.shtml Below are entry-level salaries (including locality pay) for several different skill fields. (Entry-level is defined as having a Bachelor's Degree or equivalent work experience.) Language Analysis & Intelligence Analysis $42,209 Computer Science $55,293 * Mathematics $51,894 * Computer/Electrical Engineering $56,375*
asciilifeform: 'ses' are the people who actually run usg.
asciilifeform: there's about 10,000 of them.
decimation: this goes back to Mircea's point - USG "wants" things, but it can't really afford them - it's running on the "fumes" of past memories
asciilifeform: they have their own
asciilifeform: decimation: nsa, cia, nga - not subject to the traditional 'gs' ranks system
decimation: I wonder how many young technical folks joining the civil service are offered more than $60k?
assbot: Washington-Baltimore-Northern Virginia, DC-MD-VA-WV-PA - Annual Rates by Grade and Step
asciilifeform: they aren't rich, in the customary sense (they must work, and are expected to follow a variety of curious social rituals, including living in very particular places) - but not paupers.
decimation: well, it depends where they are on the pay scale I guess
decimation: if such people exist, they are probably pretty sad these days, given the point made a few weeks ago about how they would have to live as paupers
asciilifeform: (that is, by folks who have lifetime careers in the service)
asciilifeform: the real, long-term decisions are made at the level below political appointee
decimation: at any rate it's not clear to me that clowns like Hayden or Alexander would even recognize skills if they saw them
decimation: Hayden emphasized that the personnel problems are far less significant than the technological ones: "The issue is not people but external changes. For the N.S.A., technology is a two-edged sword. If technology in the outside world races away from us -- at breakneck speed -- our mission is more difficult. It can be our enemy."
decimation: asciilifeform it seems that the meta-nsa doesn't exist in reality
asciilifeform: (linked piece, otherwise is tedious crud)
asciilifeform: 'What bothers me is that you are saying what the agency wants us to believe -- they used to be great, but these days they have trouble reading the newspaper, the Internet is too complicated for them, there is so much traffic and they can't find what they want. It may be true, but it is what they have been 'saying' for years. It's convenient for N.S.A. to have its targets believe it is in trouble.'
kakobrekla: my setup takes in ps2 signal, but you can hook it up directly to the keyboard matrix
decimation: so this layer hack is a function of the firmware on the keyboard?
decimation: replacement firmware for the unicomp keyboard: http://pckeyboard.com/page/category/SpacesaverM
kakobrekla: well you need to do that if you take it apart and put it together ... or what
decimation: huh do they have a unicomp controller gizmo? I assume it's a clone of the model m with usb gadget
kakobrekla: theres a number of ways to achieve that, currently im using https://github.com/tmk/tmk_keyboard
decimation: kakbrekla: do you mean something beyond the usual ctrl-meta combinations?
decimation: asciilifeform: I have found the extra function keys on my unicomp "model m like" keyboard to be extremely useful for emacs
asciilifeform has pretty much the entire numpad programmed as emacs knobs of one kind or another
kakobrekla: the only thing i miss is that far right enter for some reason but i have a programmable hw ps2 to usb converter and remaped keys / macros
asciilifeform recently bought a 'proper' lathe - no coordinates, just cranks...
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: lathe coordinates ?
kakobrekla: lol no, but numpad get in the way and im not much into numerical data entry.
asciilifeform never understood the need to save 'space' by abolishing numbers pad - unless living in a ship, manned capsule of some other variety
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: unsurprisingly, i've an embarrassingly large collection of these
mike_c: lobbes: or.. there shouldn't be migratory bird treaties. it's like flat tax. simple, yet insufficient.
lobbes: <mircea_popescu> there should be a new constitutional amendment. "no one may run for elected office, be it presidential, as member of congress or senate or any other, who can not recite the entirety of all laws, regulations etc" << Does that include all migratory bird treaties?
kakobrekla: the purpose of this gadget is not irc. what is it? not tellin. do what i want.
kakobrekla: it has a built in matrix thingy, if you misaddress the pointer to the screen line it will automatrix.
mike_c: you should make the text run vertically with lines in columns instead of rows. then do your best matrix impression.
mike_c: cool, what's the screen from?
asciilifeform: http://cryptome.org/2014/08/nctc-dti-the-intercept.pdf << 'terrorist identities datamart environment' >> parody horizon ?
mircea_popescu: there should be a new constitutional amendment. "no one may run for elected office, be it presidential, as member of congress or senate or any other, who can not recite the entirety of all laws, regulations etc"
TheNewDeal: yes indeed, it peaked at 256 something earlier in the day
mircea_popescu: stocks peak all the time.
TheNewDeal: well technically the stock could have dropped 1.50 in the last hour, so there was *some* risk
mircea_popescu: cool then
mircea_popescu: but that's really besides the point
mike_c: so when it gets picked up it will increase the worth of life shares, and the guy who bought at .1 won't be so hurt.
mircea_popescu: "shouldn't the difference between .1 and .5 count for more than .23 to .1 in any and all circumstances" ? i guess
mike_c: the thing is, there is currently a bunch of free money on the table.
mircea_popescu: shouldn't the difference between .1 and .5 count for more than .23 to .1 ?
mircea_popescu: so the 1 buying at .1 lost 77%, whereas the .8 buying at 49 lost 90%
TheNewDeal: game of the week you say?
mike_c: i meant the btc game
mike_c: TheNewDeal: weren't you the one who liked late easy money bets on bitbet? you should check out the current game of the week on WoL.
TheNewDeal: was that thermo picture really a bra?
mircea_popescu: <decimation> turns back to me like nothing happened. Miriam faces these ancient human problems of violence and poverty, yet she owns a futuristic technology like a smartphone. This haunted me for months." <<< all this meaningless bs. was the daughter hawt is all i want to know.
assbot: Schneier on Security: The US Intelligence Community has a Third Leaker
ben_vulpes: everyone's getting 18% returns in the fiat market, and looking at me like the crazy one when i shake my head at the ridiculousness of it all.
decimation: turns back to me like nothing happened. Miriam faces these ancient human problems of violence and poverty, yet she owns a futuristic technology like a smartphone. This haunted me for months."
decimation: "I met one trashpicker named Miriam who made her livelihood with her teenage daughter by selling plastic scraps for a dollar or two a day. She was telling me her story: the grinding poverty, the constant threat of extortion and murder by organized crime, the shooting of her husband, the sexual assaults on her daughter. In the middle of this heartbreaking story, her phone rings and she pulls out a nice smart phone, texts someone, and
kakobrekla: but the unknowness is a presumption
asciilifeform: 'when two objects of unknown types encounter one another, does the Universe throw an exception ?'
decimation: asciilifeform it seems to me that a router is exactly the kind of device that 'wants' to be a dataflow architechture,
decimation: it will be interesting to see what happens to the bitcoin price when the COIN ETF turns on
mod6: <+kakobrekla> prolly costs more to store this line in the logs. << lol
kakobrekla: is the cobol source of the i presume ex swedish tax legislation online anywhere
asciilifeform: the cheapest way to convert fiat to btc probably remains: hire a buterin, orchestrate media mouthpieces, watch the coin roll in.
asciilifeform: incidentally, this is another good way to convert an ocean of fiat to btc.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: presumably the artist didn't know what he'd find (alts, etc) and took the trouble to write a generic hijacker.
kakobrekla: prolly costs more to store this line in the logs.
kakobrekla: As many as 8,000 Dogecoins, equivalent to $1.42, were lost as a result of the hack.
assbot: Hacker makes $84k hijacking Bitcoin mining pool | Technology | theguardian.com
decimation: the question is: if this isn't a scam, where are they going to trade bitcoin?
assbot: Winklevoss Bitcoin Trust ETF is major innovation in the quickly growing ETF market Says NASDAQ Executive | Forex Minute - Financial News | Stock Market | Trading Commodities | Binary Options Updates - Forex Minute Portal
decimation: thickasthieves is that the winklevii fund?
decimation: "Warrants become a lot easier to serve when it's only one or two mega-social sites involved rather than a multitude of host providers and network companies. (Conspiracy theorists are already taking note of that same Person of the Year article's mention of FBI Director Robert Mueller just dropping by to say hello to Zuckerberg in the midst of a company meeting.)"
decimation: it's amusing to watch the half-life of a silly-con valley company - only takes ten years to go from young turks to us dept. of search engine
decimation: re: google < I've heard from folks who work there that it has already become a sad bureaucracy
asciilifeform: in other news...
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> 'number one rule' of dominating mining - don't be an obvious idiot << problem is the obvious symbol is only defined in the core dump
asciilifeform: distributed however you like around the globe
fluffypony: I had to run the numbers myself to confirm my gut feeling
asciilifeform: using methods known to even the lowliest spammer, you can make an arbitrarily large hash farm look like an arbitrarily large number of proportionately-smaller ones
fluffypony: if they felt their hashrate was being unatturally displaced they would say something
fluffypony: sure, but there are known mining entities
mike_c: how so? the possibilites aren't limitless
asciilifeform knows no hard facts whatsoever about ownership distribution of existing mining hardware, and you - for any value of 'you' - don't either.
fluffypony: either way, it's all hypothetical
fluffypony: I'm confident we'd see acceptance of that change across the board in such an event
fluffypony: a change in PoW because the mining network is being replaced by a single competitor is a completely different value proposition
asciilifeform: who is 'they' ?
fluffypony: pretty sure if that happened they'd move the PoW to SHA3 :-P
fluffypony: although I suppose you'd have little in the way of competition at that juncture
fluffypony: assuming the usual profitability fall-off in mining
gribble: Joseph Nacchio - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Nacchio>; Former qwest ceo joseph nacchio: tales from a white-collar prison ...: <http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303983904579093173797712780>; Former Qwest CEO Joe Nacchio Tells Story of Fight Against NSA ...: <http://www.foxbusiness.com/business-leaders/2014/03/27 (1 more message)
BigBitz: but the American cockroach does fly.
mircea_popescu: and this way is not included there.
mircea_popescu: he has lots of resources as long as he uses them a certain way
mircea_popescu: the point is that no, he does not have any.
BigBitz: The point was Zuckerberg has lots of cash/resources. If he was inclined to have lots of BTC I'm sure he would.
mircea_popescu: what, ima be trapped in meta jail now cause you're bored ? log's there.
mircea_popescu: i have little worry about the actual market value of things actually on the actual market.
BigBitz: Eth... the latest scam coin.
mircea_popescu: in the sense someone is stupid enough to pay 100bn for fb and 20k btc for eth...
mircea_popescu: and whether i do or not is a matter of my own private and personal arbitrariety and nothing else.
mircea_popescu: zuckerberg does not. which is why i'm a player and zuckerberg for all the press, is not.
mircea_popescu: that's cashing out : when you take your money and hit someone over the head with it.
mircea_popescu: it's a cash out when he takes 1bn of facebook stock and gives it to support rebels ousting the us from the ukraine.
BigBitz: not the bit that supports your opinion.
BigBitz: read the whole thread, mircea_popescu.
mircea_popescu: Jefferson Davis couldn't sign a law, either.
mircea_popescu: <BigBitz> Anyways - I am not trying to incite an argument. I just think and believe that if they wanted it they'd get it. Cash is their king (and many others). << the world has new kings, meanwhile. the direct effect of this being that no, the old kings couldn't anything, whether they wanted it or not.
mircea_popescu: that reason is that the people with some self respect left don't wish to play the part of decorative mosquito.
mircea_popescu: there's a reason only washed up nobodies a la pierce and twinkletoss come derping around to be impaled on the fence pikes.
asciilifeform: hell, doesn't have to be below-board - sell next iPnohe with the understanding that $1 off monthly charge but gizmo mines for the fuhrer while plugged into mains for battery charge.
mircea_popescu: <BigBitz> Either way - don't fool yourself if you think the SUPER RICH couldn't do what they wanted with Bitcoin. Not saying it would be an easy thing but it's not at all impossible. << i'm saying it would be impossible.
asciilifeform: baking a sha2 core into 10mil consumer webcams/routers/ethernet-enabled dildos costs considerably less than 1b.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> fluffypony: no market implications if you sink the usd into mining vs. buying. << think again.
pete_dushenski: fluffypony: 1 mn btc on the market would cost infinity billion ;)
asciilifeform: fluffypony: no market implications if you sink the usd into mining vs. buying.
fluffypony: the market implications are huge
BigBitz: Anyways - I am not trying to incite an argument. I just think and believe that if they wanted it they'd get it. Cash is their king (and many others).
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> (nobody but me and perhaps half a dozen other weirdos give a flying fuck about usenet archive) << nonsense. history is history.
pete_dushenski: BigBitz: dude, those two reduce to the same thing
BigBitz: If they want it they can get it.
BigBitz: You change from "omg not possible" to "they would if they could" heh.
pete_dushenski: it's sitting right there
pete_dushenski: not like they're waiting for a mailed invitation
pete_dushenski: well, if the "super rich" could touch bitcoin, they would
BigBitz: According to a Facebook filing this week, Zuckerberg pulled the trigger on some 60 million shares worth of options at the end of last year, netting a profit of about $3.3 billion. He immediately turned around and sold more than 41 million shares while turning over 18 million, worth almost $1 billion at the time, to his favorite charity, the Silicon Valley Community Foundation.
asciilifeform: SUPER RICH couldn't do what they wanted << they contracted it out. to usg.
pete_dushenski: from the second link, dec 2013
BigBitz: Yeah that was the second cash out - he did $3Bn this year I am almost certain.
BigBitz: Either way - don't fool yourself if you think the SUPER RICH couldn't do what they wanted with Bitcoin. Not saying it would be an easy thing but it's not at all impossible.
asciilifeform: so hypothetically he could access various resources through means other than buying
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: z's 'resources' mainly consist of his seat at the fuhrer's table (as propaganda minister)
pete_dushenski: they have credits kinda thingies
BigBitz: yeah, because he wouldn't have the financial resources to do it on BTC....
asciilifeform: (nobody but me and perhaps half a dozen other weirdos give a flying fuck about usenet archive)
asciilifeform: they'll survive - or not - as the same thing microshit is - u.s. department of search engine.
mircea_popescu: it'll be the lulz of all time if 20 years from now google survives as this grim, unwelcoming steward of usenet archive.
asciilifeform: they bought (and zapped) 'dejanews' - the only reasonably total archive
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski i know i call lo... from the url bar to go places 10x as often as i call google.
pete_dushenski: or they just like typing in the url bar to get the wiki link
mircea_popescu: so really there's not all that much left google can do.
mircea_popescu: and the more action driven among those are on the various muppetwitters already
mircea_popescu: in any case, the people who end up places because google are generally speaking they too young or too stupid to have a populated mental space / bookmark list
pete_dushenski: fluffypony: badminton << count me in for this team! 99.9% chance i'm the best player here :)
mircea_popescu: generally you KNOW the sources.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the problem with google is that it's becoming rather irrelevant. think about your own data consumption process, how often do you include something you found on google ? and when exactly ?
mircea_popescu: then he'
pete_dushenski: "Google will begin using website encryption, or HTTPS, as a ranking signal – a move which should prompt website developers who have dragged their heels on increased security measures" << lulz
ben_vulpes: am only waiting for babe to enface-ify then it's bike to breastfast sammich time
mircea_popescu: hot on espn : the peerage vs teh derpage.
ben_vulpes: it is now loaded into the tablist
ben_vulpes: <pete_dushenski> if not by me, then by my, what shall we call them... colleagues? << it's the peerage ;)
assbot: This Is The Bitcoin Empire. This Is The New Yasa | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski
mircea_popescu: this differential does not yield surprising results in practice, and the standing of the us govt is weaker than the tsar's was.
mircea_popescu: if the tsar's government fails the test, its punishment is to no longer exist.
mircea_popescu: which lenin did not bother to get. he was arrested, and accused of lenining without a license. this is the test above.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski tsar (who ruled by divine right) govt (which HAD the authority to exist as a merely regulatory body) made a leninlicense.
pete_dushenski: sorry, lenin and co survived because they had the financial means to outlast the tsars?
mircea_popescu: kinda why lenin and the gang survived the tsar just fine.
mircea_popescu: on one hand, one party risks being maintained by the other, at its expense, well in excess of 100 btc a year, for a while. on the other hand, that other party risks complete disolution.
mircea_popescu: moreover, the test is disproportionately expensive to undetake, for this reason.
mircea_popescu: time enough for the currently to have expired.
mircea_popescu: either argument will come to the same test,
mircea_popescu: just as well one could argue they don't have the means.
Namworld: Well one could argue they indeed have the means to enforce local regulation CURRENTLY. If that ends up being bad and hurts them afterward, they just loose power.
mircea_popescu: so the sticks issue is moot.
mircea_popescu: the us may only exist as a LAWFUL body, not as merely a regulatory body.
mircea_popescu: Namworld i think you're missing a major component here. what you describe, I can afford, the us can not.
Namworld: Regulating people usually involve punishment after the fact, since altering how the world works isn't really a possibility.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: right. should be "mother" instead of "wife"
Namworld: They regulate people.
Namworld: They even didn't say that Bitcoin can't do X or Y, because they can't regulate that, obviously. They regulate what their own people can or cannot do/use.
Namworld: http://trilema.com/2014/time-for-some-bitlicenses-of-our-own/ << Of course they can regulate anything. Regulating never prevented people from doing whatever they pleased, neither does it in this case. Regulating involves having sticks to deter non-compliance if discovered. Anyone can do that for anything, provided they got a sufficient amount of sticks in the region they wish to regulate.
mircea_popescu: it attaches to the named. temujin had a wife as an unborn ?
mircea_popescu: that his doesn't follow the way you want it to.
mircea_popescu: "The father Temüjin knew was not his biological father but his wife’s captor"...
pete_dushenski: and how you beat penguirker to the punch never ceases to amaze me
mircea_popescu: none of this "adapt bitcoin to whatever laws" and none of that "adapt laws to bitcoin" either. submission, complete, not negociable.
mircea_popescu: mike_c you're so far the winner of teh referrals contest.
mircea_popescu: being rich is no big deal, but being an asshole is worth all the gold in the world.
mike_c: this will likely change if one of them ever shows up in the thread.
Namworld: That's the highest crime.
mircea_popescu: so what i wish to know is, anyone left on the internet that didn't shitlist mcdlv.net as far as stmp is concerned ?
mircea_popescu: phear the people paypal aims to be curteous towards.
mircea_popescu: "We’ve completed our investigation of your unauthorized payment claim. As the payment was sent as part of a billing agreement, it is considered to be an authorized payment. However, as a courtesy to you, we have issued you a refund for this transaction."
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell moiety but it IS spam calls lol. pretty good social engineer skills on them cold callers huh ? how did the conversation go ?
rithm: the 'ol hack and hype
rithm: yeah hold security going for the squeeze
chetty: the protection racket moves into the 21st century
BigBitz: Their point is around the inability to confirm the data as HOLD won't share/release it.
BingoBoingo: Well... can they expense $120 per website?
BigBitz: I found it... strange... they announced it but then wrapped it up with their own 'Solutions'
BingoBoingo: "But I can't answer that because the people who disclosed this decided they want to make money off of this. There's no way for others to verify." Wisniewski was referring to an offer by Hold Security to notify website operators if they were affected, but only if they sign up for its breach notification service, which starts at $120 per year.
assbot: Massive Russian Hack Has Researchers Scratching Their Heads - Slashdot
cazalla: clearly a smart guy though, his leftism essay helped me to understand some of the frustration i feel towards leftist people but wasn't smart enough to figure out myself
cazalla: there was always fidonet
BingoBoingo: Think how many fingers wordpress could have saved back then.
BingoBoingo: Dr. K had a problem. How to put his writing in front of as many people as possible. Maybe the reign of terror was more a tool to that end than the writing a tool to jsutify the terror.
cazalla: i mean, some of the school shooters have a higher kill/death ratio than him
cazalla: they both kill people of no consequence though :\
BingoBoingo: Well, the Elliot Roger type is where the violence is now.
cazalla: i don't really see the connection between unabomber and elliott rodger types besides the violence
BingoBoingo: Well, let's consider like versus like, now there are less middle aged and aging hermit sending mail bombs. They've been instead been replaced largely by 20 somethings who can't get laid and take it all out of one venue and they are spent.
cazalla: post internet trolling being an outlet for people who may have sent bombs in the past if they didn't have it
cazalla: no i'm asking in the sense that access to online porn and rapes dropped during same period
BingoBoingo: Well, who are the copycats now?
cazalla: BingoBoingo, i know the quote and he's understandably upset but to jump to bombs even before angry letters might be a bit much
BingoBoingo: re were too many people around my cabin so I decided I needed some peace. I went back to the plateau and when I got there I found they had put a road right through the middle of it... You just can't imagine how upset I was. It was from that point on I decided that, rather than trying to acquire further wilderness skills, I would work on getting back at the system. Revenge."
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Or you can go with what he said: "The best place, to me, was the largest remnant of this plateau that dates from the tertiary age. It's kind of rolling country, not flat, and when you get to the edge of it you find these ravines that cut very steeply in to cliff-like drop-offs and there was even a waterfall there. It was about a two days' hike from my cabin. That was the best spot until the summer of 1983. That summer the
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cazalla: is that the unabomber?
BingoBoingo: Don't everyone guess the author all at once...
thickasthieves: simply put, bitpay is higher on the ladder
BingoBoingo: Bitpay puts in a lot of Dev, but... How many foundation seats connect to them?
thickasthieves: what's the pennant?
thickasthieves: they seem to be putting a lot of effort into dev
BingoBoingo: thickasthieves> because bitpay actually has necessity << No more than most. Anyways I though they were more focused on wallet fork.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
davout: ;;later tell mike_c the links to S.WOL on waroflife.com link to mpex.co, might want to change the url
thickasthieves: they also have incentive
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