asciilifeform: how cheap people will work for just as long as they're free << this goes back to what people actually need money for
mircea_popescu: in other news, turns out laurina is a major brand on birth control pills.
mircea_popescu: it never ceases to amaze me how cheap people will work for just as long as they're free, or in reverse, how fucking insanely much tyranny has to pay its drone worker.
mircea_popescu: right. so whoever's doing the hopping thing makes about 1k every 4k blocks, which works out to about... 20 weeks or so ?
mircea_popescu: getting back to the atc thing,
mircea_popescu: free lottery tickets and billion dolar jackpots, that's what the american dream is all about!
mircea_popescu: they were promised irresponsibility without consequence and a shot at megaupside, DANG IT!!!!
mircea_popescu: que "i'm such a jerk, and history coming to bite one in the ass is so unfair, and what sort of usg democracy is this where responsibility exists!!1"
mircea_popescu: ima just go !s "you're a famous failure nao, bitch. deal with it." and all the greybeards will chuckle privately.
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atcbot: [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 0.09 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 1613.00 GH/s
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Looks like the not unknown post dump standoff
HeySteve: I believe they pre-register a lot of commercially desirable names, like for medicines, vehicles and probably other stuff
HeySteve: yeah I wouldn't pay those domain squatters, they're like lazy thieves
kdomanski: it's sweet how they linked to a "research article"
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
asciilifeform: http://withendemanndom.blogspot.com/2014/07/slavoj-zizek-philosophaster-and_9.html << mega-lol
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HeySteve: hello. for those who'd like to try out my game, the testnet chapter is up: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=736132
asciilifeform can't be bothered to remember
asciilifeform: he started here as 'robwizz22' and changed handles, as he promised to do in the tail end of ninjashogun.txt
TomServo: asciilifeform: I think I've read that twice now... I must be too dense to see the connection?
TomServo: Could someone fill in the blanks for me on how the connection between ninjashogun and usg was made? Sounds like an average scammer to me.
BingoBoingo: I think kako_Number_5 will stick on the forum
punkman: this is the forum anyway
ben_vulpes: punkman: are you active on the forums? would you post a link to
pete_dushenski: @cryptoweather: @pete_dushenski that's some bizarre ass language.
asciilifeform: re: the pgp piece << classic hatchet job
assbot: A Few Thoughts on Cryptographic Engineering: Attack of the Week: Triple Handshakes (3Shake)
dignork: on other hand, this description of TLS nightmare was amazing http://blog.cryptographyengineering.com/2014/04/attack-of-week-triple-handshakes-3shake.html
pankkake: and then "the defaults suck" well, ok, but why reinvent the wheel instead of changing them?
pankkake: you'll never remove the learning curve of security, or you'll just provide bad security
dignork: TomServo: main point if this article, gpg is not friendly enough for the masses. People running running windows, using facebook, posting photos of the ir credit cards on twitter.
assbot: A Few Thoughts on Cryptographic Engineering: What's the matter with PGP?
wywialm: jurov, http://www.bbc.com/news/events/scotland-decides/poll-tracker as Scotland remains within UK, the bantustan scenario is more unlikely
wywialm: Poland is on the frontier, but any pro-regional tendencies are almost nonexistent. moreover it is a very hard nation to administer and russians when they were stronger did not risk running it on their own
wywialm: but it is relatively off-center. the continental Europe is still very centralist, Russia does not have strength to penetrate it
wywialm: yeah, that would be a good shot, a independence + rather leftist political climate
wywialm: asciilifeform, what countries do you suspect of being first in the line, apart from baltic & ukraine, as they barely can be classified as 'the west'
asciilifeform: who will 'help' the americans, remains to be seen
asciilifeform: jurov: sometimes (e.g. kazakhstan) - at other times, a regional dialect was reworked with american help into a constructed 'language' (ukraine)
jurov: asciilifeform are there ingredients that enable it, like religion/language?
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
asciilifeform: wyrdmantis: and the resulting cluttering of the map with fictional countries having no functioning military, economy, etc.
wyrdmantis: asciilifeform are you referring to the immigration problem in europe?
asciilifeform: can't wait for the west to get carved up into fictional bantustans and the folks who object to be called propagandists.
wywialm: true, yet the russian media also add a lot of propaganda and russian population seems to be much more susceptible
wywialm: asciilifeform, Orlov seems to be one of the best informed people I read on the Ukrainian affair
RagnarDanneskjol: Sure, but I think there are approval times, limits, etc. They want to send me a large retainer fee [10k] like yesterday, and I want to have them to learn it the right way
wyrdmantis: RagnarDanneskjol can't they buy bitcoins on OKcoin?
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RagnarDanneskjol: yea - Im sure they have some go-to network that most folks use - All i know of is Bobby Lee. I have a client who needs to pay me a retainer and they are new to all this so need to figure it out for them, show them the ropes, but I got no clue
RagnarDanneskjol: Does anyone know how to buy btc on the street in china? resources/directories, etc
assbot: Icbit.se, the bucket shop pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: Enky doesn't that look suspiciously like http://trilema.com/2012/icbitse-the-bucket-shop/ ?
mircea_popescu: wyrdmantis well, maybe, but if them people don't speak english they'll have a hard time understanding.
wyrdmantis: seems that i have to learn doing something useful for the WoT. I think what i know is not enough. I'm thinking to open a blog in Italian about my first steps in b-a, so people in italy can understand what is happening. Do you think it's a good idea?
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gribble: punkman was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 21 hours, 45 minutes, and 58 seconds ago: <punkman> you wash some of your own btc, jerk some puppets, the muppets won't be able to resist
RagnarDanneskjol: I'm on the other end, everytime I do something with software, there is blood and gnashing of teeth
jurov: almost every time i do something with hardware, there is blood
pankkake: !up drawingthesun
RagnarDanneskjol: rough looking chicks in there
mircea_popescu: looking into the source page... lol.
wyrdmantis: http://coinfinance.com/news/creating-the-largest-highest-density-bitcoin-community-in-the-world
mircea_popescu: 14 months is what a forever takes these days
mircea_popescu: srsly, it's not a huge rush, it's been waiting for the proper maker/maintainer for monthgs,.
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MolokoDeck: testing the bottom at 480-whatever seems reasonable.
MolokoDeck: ok. my feeling about it now is doable. timescale more than a few weeks, adjustment of code until everyone's satsified, then some committment to maintain or modify it if desirable.
mircea_popescu: MolokoDeck there's no rush.
MolokoDeck: heh. I know the feeling.
MolokoDeck: looking at a case where anyone can put a hash on the blockchain and present a document block with that hash.
RagnarDanneskjol: or just each other
MolokoDeck: obviously they'd have to be registered with wot.
MolokoDeck: is this for everyone in the world to use, or only for a select community of presumable trusted parties?
MolokoDeck: the security of the bot sending something via bitcoin api ... still thinking about that.
MolokoDeck: anyway, I think you've settled my question about the feasibility/non-feasibility of spoofing a single hash.
MolokoDeck: I was considering just adding an arbirary number of bits to the bogus message.
MolokoDeck: also in php one would either have to use a package or use system calls to do the encryption.
MolokoDeck: doable in php or python. php has a fairly bad reputation in cryptocurrency lately. And in computer science for different reasons (you can't predict the outcome of certain operations).
mircea_popescu: <MolokoDeck> right, you'd dither the nonce until you got some other block to match the hash. << the nonce isn't actually large enough
BingoBoingo: lol, There was an optical computing conversation this week...
MolokoDeck: I'm not sure there's a quantum algorith for SHA256 that's particularly leveraged, but there are supposedly turing-complete quantum gate computers that could accellerate that. Let's not go into that.
BigBitz: If they had some quantums, maybe :P
MolokoDeck: oh nevermind. It would have to match the ENTIRE hash. megayears. ok. i get it.
BigBitz: heh, I may be clueless, but I don't think a miner can influence the hash value of the clock.
BigBitz: the block hash you cannot influence (AFAIK)
BigBitz: the nonce, at best, you could influence.
MolokoDeck: it wouldn't be on the central trusted registry though, but that may not be entirely secure. or someone would have to check an document the recieved by another channel against the central registry or website.
MolokoDeck: you can't change the hash, but you could make any block match the hash, possibly, if you had enough mining time.
MolokoDeck: since the hash is inserted as a comment in the blockchain, I think one might be able to create bogus blocks that have the same has by inserting a salt and mining a single hash here.
MolokoDeck: the blockchain is being used to make an immutable public record of the authenticating hash of the document bundle being published.
MolokoDeck: so I overloade the term "validate".
MolokoDeck: the block of documents gets cryptosigned with a hash of the documents inside. That hash gets sent to the blockchain. The other validation (initial validation) is of the cryptosignature on each document. The documents have to be legit before they go into the bundle that get's logged and recorded permenently as a hash on the blockchain.
MolokoDeck: the bot has to buffer state and monitor for validations, which could take tens of minutes, then inform the irc channel, and update the central web logs for public notice.
mircea_popescu: yes, only the hash.
MolokoDeck: only the validating hash goes on the blockchain, not the entire block of documents, I take it?
mircea_popescu: MolokoDeck hey there.
MolokoDeck: "2. all the valid deeds received in a specified interval, say 512 seconds, are appended together, hashed, and the resulting hash is inserted into a bitcoin transaction, which becomes part of the bitcoin blocchain."
MolokoDeck: am I reading the same thing you are?
MolokoDeck: also requires the bot to have a wallet.
MolokoDeck: insertion of validation hash onto the bitcoin block chain with a transaction: requires use of the bitcoind API or connection to the bitcoin mining network.
MolokoDeck: authentication test from a single-point trusted registry.
MolokoDeck: so, I'm still reviewing the bitcoin-assets log related to a bot project involving posting and cryptosigning cryptodocuments.. or something to that effect.
RagnarDanneskjol: mircea_popescu - I have my bot dev on the other line - he is reading the logs right now. This guy runs the bot for my room. lemme know if you're around to chat it up w/ him
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> make a connection. << http://survantjames.com does objective-c whatever, provided you're willing to pay fiat objective-c rates for people who actually know what they're doing.
penguirker: New blog post: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/08/13/record-large-public-bitcoin-bet-reached/
mike_c: ah. 30 people right now. i wonder what the right # is.
TheNewDeal: love how many dumbasses / psuedonyms thermos exposed to back himself
mircea_popescu: peepz just got this irresistible impulse to believe they know shit.
mike_c: ^ the story of all interesting bitbets
mircea_popescu: anyway, remember all the knowitalls that explained how unfair a bet it was, right then ? because OBIVOUSLY etc.
mike_c: he hadn't heard about the bet yet
mircea_popescu: he was underwater by abou 10% at some point there
mircea_popescu: mike_c got a solid 20% there.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Which part is the record in this case?
dreamstring: word, thanks for the reads. Im gonna cash out for the night while i delve into some of theses. thanks guys.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: Imma hypothesize that few things introduce people to each other and unite communities as effectively as teargas. <<< candida, actually :D
dreamstring: Just through the logs bash?
dreamstring: I'll be much more willing to discuss the details of what i have planned once i know how this place operates though, thanks.
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BingoBoingo: ;;google theymos scammer tag
BingoBoingo: <dreamstring> the reality is everyone has a smart phone, thats how the gov wants it. well use that and give everyone a smart phone a new start to a currency connected to everyone with a smart phone... which is everyone in the world. << I haven't had one in years
dreamstring: the reality is everyone has a smart phone, thats how the gov wants it. well use that and give everyone a smart phone a new start to a currency connected to everyone with a smart phone... which is everyone in the world.
dreamstring: and was there something i left unanswered?
kakobrekla: answer the q?
dreamstring: people who dont want smart phones are living in the past, why should the btc community care about them anyway, and the VM farming i already created a verifciation system that needs a hardware id and device verification to use
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Maybe you were right about voicing the reddit referrals...
dreamstring: and then based on how you use your money that you are distributed, well the smart use it well/open their own stores on the market, the poor just get paid for having a phone
dreamstring: in the sense that those with money can afford more asics can afford to make more
dreamstring: to an even market with people in the US
BingoBoingo: <dreamstring> but that still ads to the rich get richer kinda aspect bitcoin is fighting against << Who said this is a part of Bitcoin, Bitcoin fights the stupid getting richer...
dreamstring: but that still ads to the rich get richer kinda aspect bitcoin is fighting against
dreamstring: in theory the hashrate doesnt mean anything besides securing from a 51% and determining who contributed what amount of work
dreamstring: Nothing besides the fact that by using a PoW/PoS hybrid you can group people into different teir groups based on their cell phones to make sure everyone is getting the same distribution of the currency.
BingoBoingo: dreamstring: nah, the red stuff is whale shit, not menstral painting
dreamstring: The app aims to distribute the currency to each person to download the free app equally, as well as offer different teirs/levels of accounts for shopping, buying/selling, and trading goods and services.
dreamstring: While I have a voice, I'd like to put out for any developers interested in a possible position in a start up based around creating a mobile mining oriented cryptocurrency. The company is the Dreamstring platform, aiming to create a crypto that distributes supply and time using the fibonacci, as well as creating an equal distribution to each cellular phone user to download the mobile application.
trixisowned: The police are now retreating near the QuickTrip as sounds of gun shots fill the air. I'm not sure what is coming but police are screaming
decimation: I would like to know how the democratic police think that distributing cs gas randomly around the town is going to effective at accomplishing anything
trixisowned: the crowd
BingoBoingo: Imma hypothesize that few things introduce people to each other and unite communities as effectively as teargas.
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gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell nubbins' fap to this http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_eye/2014/08/12/the_sec_s_antimodern_logo_evokes_southern_tradition_authenticity.html
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo o hey, i was reading the quotes and went who the fuck is this, scary smart.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu> <decimation> this goes to my earlier point about a split in the Dem. party. it's not like the usg elite overlords act in their interest << markov chains have no self interest. << Vexual seems to
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> 'occupy' - sucked << that's because they don;'t know how to protest.
mircea_popescu: <decimation> this goes to my earlier point about a split in the Dem. party. it's not like the usg elite overlords act in their interest << markov chains have no self interest.
BingoBoingo: s quite good enough for me. Fuck the instruments, as great as they are : theyll make their own, and itll be the same anyway, because theres exactly one way to make a great piece of lab equipment. The alternatives are only there to confound the issues. See, teh BBC got it right after all >D"
BingoBoingo: "Not everyones an entrepreneur, either. Some kids, poor kids, urban kids are scholars, in nucet. They may not have my rare and expensive equipment, sure. But whether the BBC does manage to agree that climate pseudo-science should be promoted as the only alternative or not, my hopes rest with a bunch of inner city negroes. No matter what, these kids will still carry through the world the ability to reason, and that
BingoBoingo: ^ Quote from the most underrated English Trilema article
BingoBoingo: "The entrepreneurial spirit is not dead. For it aint ever dyin, thats why. And also fuck you, Mr. Obama, because if he paints that forest he motherfucking made that forest. (If he eats those pizzas he even more fucking definitely made that forest. It needs dung you know ?)"
RagnarDanneskjol: speaking of - I've been on that Jason guy to commit to timeframe - sounds wishywashy so I'm gonna find a few backups and just send them the log so you dont have to repeat everything
decimation: I haven't been around in awhile, could be the case
decimation: since DC is run by aging hippies, that's how they like it
asciilifeform: decimation: that one, if its inhabitant is to be believed, can be found near the museum of natural history every monday night.
BingoBoingo: Local one there was... A tent
asciilifeform: they even bring the same props (e.g. a gigantic green papier machet muppet) to every one
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BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> heavy on the marx and engels
asciilifeform: (quite often, literally the same.)
asciilifeform: of approximately the same people
BingoBoingo: Once I even held a sign on the street corner for a while said "RUF is for the People" and none of the other people had a concrete idea of what RUF was or where they operated...
decimation: yeah the wto protests about 10 years ago in DC were more lively
asciilifeform: there were crackpots handing out self-printed books, etc
BingoBoingo: Wasn't the worst place to pick up girls from though
BingoBoingo: decimation: Local at the time "Occupy" camp was on the way back to my apartment walking from place that served 44 oz booze slushies
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i actually tried to talk to the occupy folks, purely for own amusement, on several occasions
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> heavy on the marx and engels << their names, but not ideas in any informed way, walked into local encampement at the time, no one wanted to debate hegel
decimation: this goes to my earlier point about a split in the Dem. party. it's not like the usg elite overlords act in their interest
asciilifeform: we'll know it's a real holiday when the radio jammers kick in.
asciilifeform: heavy on the marx and engels
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: except that it was a theatrical production of the collegiate muppet class
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> they always burn... their own streets. << The one thing "Occupy" seemed to make an earnest effort to correct
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decimation: looks like they've started to hand out free cs gas
asciilifeform: the thing that always perplexed me about american 'revolts' is
decimation: asciilifeform: the brown note?
trixisowned: they are throwing fireworks
asciilifeform: my favourite incarnation of this idea is the '80s french 7 Hz speaker
asciilifeform: ^ the dish from before
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decimation: asciilifeform: the FAA ordered a "shutdown" of the airspace there: http://tfr.faa.gov/save_pages/detail_4_2599.html
trixisowned: inb4 they cut out cell service
decimation: I wonder if this will lead to a cleavage between the poor brown power base of the elites who run the inner party?
asciilifeform: ever wonder why detroid looks like berlin circa '45 from the air?
RagnarDanneskjol: mircea_popescu - sure, those guys are dime a dozen. I can find almost any spec you throw at me - the more detailed & complex the better. Its kind of nice cause I work in a female dominated industry (HR) so I tend to gravitate all the jobs noone else can fill
trixisowned: theres a building on fire
asciilifeform: almost as good as the 'occupy dc' from way back
mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol can you locate one of these azn ipad developers making shitty games ? or is it like the spammers, by the time their handiwork is seen they're long married/drafted/gone
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> re: microwave blaster: raytheon's pumps out 95 GHz. --> ~3mm wavelength. don't have pinholes in the suit. << it only works if continuous, for one.
trixisowned: they are starting fires and shit
decimation: I think the best supercaps are lithium chemistry
ben_vulpes: but the capacitative (sp?) plane should be doing demo flights ca. 2016.
ben_vulpes: the plane exhibited has only been flown with lithiums.
trixisowned: they getting teargasses
TomServo: haha, quite the cast
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decimation: asciilifeform: yeah I suspect they use those suits for vhf/uhf tv and cellular, and even then they probably don't stand in front of live transmitter
RagnarDanneskjol: @ mrb9200 - pls email me a job order to admin@bitrecruiter.com - I locate developers for this sort of thing. most of them are scoundrels & losers just fyi
asciilifeform: re: microwave blaster: raytheon's pumps out 95 GHz. --> ~3mm wavelength. don't have pinholes in the suit.
ben_vulpes: er, power distribution i think may be the correct term?
RagnarDanneskjol: you know they got no ears
RagnarDanneskjol: the deaf toad
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I drank with a toad I found in the back yard yesterday...
mircea_popescu: mbr9200 the only guy here that made his own coin before would be thickasthieves.
mircea_popescu: this theory that redditards have like... different personalities. what do you people do in the intimacy of your own house, name goldfish ?
mbr9200: Oh, cool. A cofounder and I came up with a very interesting altcoin idea. I wrote the white papers for it, got a web dev guy, just looking for a coin dev if anyone is able. I also appreciate the large number of people on this chat, good stuff.
decimation: mike_c: there's a guy talking on 7125 khz (set LSB mode)
decimation: mike_c: it helps if you hit the "zoom in" on waterfall view
decimation: well I certainly agree that there would be fewer causalties, given that iraq is safer for said video-game boi than the US, but quite deadly for the average iraqi
mircea_popescu: "you piss us off we're sending the girls over your place."