decimation: ask on the chat
decimation: yeah I just opened it and cazella and danielpbarron's questions are the top two
Mexual: this other guy is sitting too close
cazalla: the guy Max Wright, looks like a MLM clickbank type scammer
justusranvier: What happenes when somebody produces a platform just as useful, but without the need for an appcoin?
justusranvier: All these projects seeking to build finanical instrument platforms, and also tie their platforms to useless altcoins?
Mexual: whos running the hangout?
decimation: re: bitshares : I find it amusing that in order to be pretend to be "credible" one must have all sorts of bezzle-corporate logos pasted on their website
Mexual: why is it some crosseyed fool instead of the speaker?
TheNewDeal: niiice. I'm going to have some great deals in the upcoming months
TheNewDeal: were you the one who bought bitbet timeweight from me?
pete_dushenski: TheNewDeal: it's pete_dushenski now ;)
cazalla: he sounds australian and if i'm right, it's the real estate hustler turned bitcoin hustlerJamie McIntyre
pete_dushenski: TheNewDeal: afaik
Mexual: 3 man years should see ethereum to cumputational autonomy no?
pete_dushenski: your lulz for the evening
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Mexual: just remember the place is still full of convicts
cazalla: TheNewDeal, it depends where you go, up north, you'll find a lot of support for them but down my way in Melbourne, there is a lot of anti american , pro refugee, pro welfare type shit going on
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decimation: TheNewDeal: to be clear, my friend was trying to reside there and get a job, not tour a beach or whatever
TheNewDeal: are australians really anti-usian? I've heard of folks traveling there with quite good reviews
TheNewDeal: - A VW Kombi van is the Australian poor man's road trip vehicle of choice. "Fried out" means that it's in really poor condition and overheating"
TheNewDeal: I hadnt the slightest clue. always end up looking for lyrics on songmeanings
Mexual: i know the lyric, i thought it was just a concept
TheNewDeal: kept on hearing that song while I was working the last couple weeks. looked up all the slang and found a new word for cannabis. Made my day
TheNewDeal: the land down under?
Mexual: we're the only ones allowed to be loud and obnoxios on this island mate
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cazalla: decimation, we don't like seppos either :P
decimation: I had a friend (white girl with Australian father) who wen to Australia, and found a great deal of "anti-American" sentiment once people heard her accent
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=spot%20the%20aussie | ... arabs or africans etc at the function, even though they are in australia. I'd never set foot in Footscray any more, its spot the aussie there. by *Luke February 01, ...
cazalla: ;;ud spot the aussie
decimation: 'spot the aussie'?
cazalla: decimation, not really, we've been playing spot the aussie since i was a kid
decimation: who pays for the ABC?
decimation: Mexual: do you have to pay a TV license like in the UK
decimation: And elect another?"
decimation: To dissolve the people
decimation: In that case for the government
decimation: Stating that the people
decimation: Had leaflets distributed in the Stalinallee
decimation: https://web.archive.org/web/20110718154206/http://revolutionarydemocracy.org/rdv4n2/brecht.htm "The Solution
cazalla: being the child of immigrants doesn't stop me telling them to get the fuck off my door step and go back to england, get your gas for IRA plots elsewhere
cazalla: Mexual, the ones in more recent years
decimation: privacy for the doll?
mircea_popescu: Boy: wanna cum my yard? Girl: Wher u live? Boy: Tooting. Girl: Hell no i aint going there homie i dnt wanna be killed!!! << wtf ud so gangsta nao ?
asciilifeform: afaik these weren't a thing pre-meiji
Mexual: oriental manufaturers make sex dolls so good, they're ninjas
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decimation: where else are you going to find a source on what the average manchester resident thinks?
assbot: Oriental Industry claims the most realistic sex dolls to date | Mail Online
mircea_popescu: decimation you know the daily mail may not be the best source of porn. let alone anything else.
decimation: "Nevertheless, almost half of British respondents (46 per cent), hit with a wave of so-called 'Polish plumbers' taking advantage of European Union mobility rules, said the numbers of immigrants coming into the UK were 'excessive'. "
atcbot: [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 0.09 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 1800.83 GH/s
assbot: 'We're overrun': Brits fear immigrants more than any other European nation, poll reveals | Mail Online
TheNewDeal: what in the fuck did I just watch
Mexual: what is doctor forehead phd in feels and karate doing these days?
mircea_popescu: "gather in country homes and drink themselves silly while shooting various animals" >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQ7Tak6fK9w at least according to python.
Mexual: they couldn't be understood slurring
mircea_popescu: well so there you go. west african arabs don't drink, at least.
decimation: I guess things haven't changed too much, in the past the nobility would gather in country homes and drink themselves silly while shooting various animals
decimation: heh yeah the 'world stereotype' of the average uk subject being a druken lout seems pretty accurate
mircea_popescu: decimation that may also have a lot to do with you decoding difference as "white trash". just because the lassies drink themselves blind each weekend doesn't mean they ain't got class, in the uk sense of that term :D
TheNewDeal: you are quick with the draw
TheNewDeal: cazalla wow thems some lips
decimation: that's a good point. yeah, my impression of the modern uk is pretty which trash
Mexual: when they finnaly get off welfare and into a low paid job, they find poles doing it better, and feel dejected
mircea_popescu: decimation the problem in the proposition is the overrun part, not the ethnicity part.
decimation: mircea_popescu: while the european grandfather might 'not care', do you think he would prefer that the UK would be overrun by say, turks? or west african arabs?
mircea_popescu: in other news, http://girls.twistys.com/preview/dailyupdates/2014/08/08/leylamorgan-31634/images/full/14.jpg
mircea_popescu: if you're lucky and he uses the smallcaps convention, it's something like 30 ^ length.
decimation: the second string is not valid base64
nkuttler: yeah, i was replying in the wrong window...
mircea_popescu: trixisowned you can trivially obtain the message from the signature : create all the combinations of letters and test.
mircea_popescu: telling the mobster guy that "moors are niggers" and they did so much fucking with sicillian women they "changed the bloodline forever" bothers the dude mostly cause he's murican.
mircea_popescu: <decimation> I suspect the median white father would desire to have a white grandchild, does that make him racist? <<< this is very us/midwestern. i don't think a majority of europeans identify in those terms or specifically care.
trixisowned: after he posted them
trixisowned: he deleted the tweets
trixisowned: they clearly say something
trixisowned: nkuttler, thats one directly generated from the bitcoin qt client
nkuttler: no idea, you'd have to make a poll with white grandfathers
decimation: I suspect the median white father would desire to have a white grandchild, does that make him racist?
nkuttler: but then, almost everybody here is "white" anyway, so what do i know..
decimation: I guess it depends what you mean by the word "racist"
decimation: like, why would you be sad if you were overrun with hard-working white people? Your daughters might marry them and have white babies?
decimation: is there someone here from the UK that can explain why there is such hatred for Poles there?
decimation: lol "and among the expenses the largest is legal at $296,000" << every scam has a scam-lawyer
decimation: from that eth blog announcement (I'm reading pete's blog): " The remaining 1500 BTC will be sent to a wallet controlled by ??V, our development arm, and will be used to establish our sites in Berlin and Amsterdam and begin hiring developers;"
justusranvier: so you're saying they also incorporated superstition and psyops into their arsenal besides brute force
mircea_popescu: it's more like a reverberation of the constantine emperors "holy host" approach to battle.
mircea_popescu: the norman period warlord is not exactly a might makes right stand.
justusranvier: Well "good" would be, "don't be a warlord". Since he'd already decided to adopt the "might makes right" standard of ethics by being in that profession, he would have been better off staying consistent.
decimation: like the non-criminals who failed to murder hitler before he became Hitler
justusranvier: Moral of the story: If you're going to be a good person or an evil person, at least put in some reasonable effortwhichever option you choose.
justusranvier: Had the protagonist had simply been ruthless and calculating about getting what he wanted, he could have done so without provoking a revolt. If he had decided to do the right thing, he'd have kept it in his pants and avoided the entire crisis.
gribble: The War Lord (1965) - IMDb: <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0059896/>; The War Lord Reviews & Ratings - IMDb: <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0059896/reviews>; The War Lord (1965) - Full Cast & Crew - IMDb: <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0059896/fullcredits/>
mircea_popescu: ;;google imdb the warlord charlton heston
mircea_popescu: no... they couldn't have.
mircea_popescu: justusranvier well the problem is... he couldn't have. this is like saying "usg could have fixed btc in 2010, saved a lot of 2014-16 headaches"
asciilifeform tried to find this film, or some discussion thereof - where is it ?
justusranvier: Still, they needed his permission to get married. Means he could have denied it and saved a lot of death and property destruction.
mircea_popescu: justusranvier nah. 1) it wasn't incest by the legal definition they were using ; 2) warlord is no cleric.
justusranvier: The love interest gets married to a guy who she grew up with in the same house. Warlord refuses to allow the marriage on the grounds of incest. Problem averted.
mircea_popescu: justusranvier he's right "the wrong way" tho.
asciilifeform did the arithmetic because believed
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justusranvier: Had he just listened, the entire movie would have been moot
justusranvier: Funny thing about The Warlord is the younger brother is made out to be a villian and Charleton Heston made out to be heroic, however the younger brother is right every step of the way.
asciilifeform: if the cognac is ~10 usd (0.12 usd / peso at today's official rate), the 700 mL is ~14 usd / liter. --> about what rotgut costs in wash. dc.
justusranvier: mircea_popescu: The Warlord is a rather obscure movie. I'm surprised to see that reference.
godovo: why did you move there, mircea_popescu? why argentina?
mircea_popescu: i pay in cash, get the vat back as a kickback, it's wunderbar.
justusranvier: I've heard that in general people there are a lot less squeemish about routing around bad government policy via black markets.
mircea_popescu: by this scale, a week in new york is a week in hell, the circle of horn rape
mircea_popescu: justusranvier yes, but adversity on their own scale.
justusranvier: But for sure, the people who've lived there a while have gone through adversity. They've had a currency crash every decade or so.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla i could fix em for about half what it costs in eeurope. thing is... why bother ?
kakobrekla: 6 kgs fresh oranges (35 pesos) -> 1.5liters juice ; 1.5l mineral water (15 pesos) ; fine local cognac, 700ml (80 pesos) ; holes in the wall (unfixable)
ben_vulpes: in college i used to get the girlies pants off with cheap red wine and fanta.
asciilifeform: TheNewDeal: regular derps presumably got vacuumed a year or two ago
justusranvier: In general the people who you think about when you consider mass appeal will be the last ones to get into Bitcoin
TheNewDeal: why can these be regular derps?
justusranvier: godovo: When the masses in the G7 countries experience a level of adversity compared to that of, for example, Argentina you won't need to explain to them why Bitcoin is important any more.
asciilifeform: (hypothesis, straight from My Arse (TM) : usg 'spent' S SR coins to buy kS 'clean' coin, for some positive k > 1. these were dripped into 'eth' and are now being dumped.)
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kakobrekla: ;;google endoftheworld.swf
mircea_popescu: but with the elites that will be.
mircea_popescu: not with the elites that were, mind you, the circular "elite because elite because elite"
mircea_popescu: the bar for the mass temporarily thinking something appeals is incredibly low. take nikki minaj.
godovo: but your whole world domination thing is centered around it gaining huge value and the fiats dying off - how can it happen without the mass appeal?
mircea_popescu: in richard's words, "there's a mass that follows me because it follows anything that moves."
asciilifeform even thinks that the remaining 'mass appeal' must go away entirely - before anything like stability happens
mircea_popescu: bitcoin is the anti-mass.
mircea_popescu: <godovo> what happens if they succeed to kill it's "mass appeal" tho? be it via insane price swings (the volatility argument), or by having big, known "holders" dumping big time? << bitcoin does not, never had and never will have mass apeal.
mircea_popescu: pathetic or valiant, depends where you sleep.
mircea_popescu: godovo> so can't this be considered a pathetic attempt?
justusranvier: THe medium term solution to possible price manipulation is to get the bitcoins off the exchanges and web wallets
gribble: The answer is a resounding no.
gribble: The outlook is hazy, please ask again later.
ben_vulpes: ;;8ball get another beer?
ben_vulpes: ;;8ball write another python script or catch up on logs?
ben_vulpes: doesn't mean it's not going to fuck them.
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: for people who're used to keeping hundreds of thousands of dollars at the broker and uncomfortable with their own computer security it's a not unreasonable position.
godovo: justusranvier: I'm not yield hungry - it's just that I don't understand what is happening. are they trying to kill it, or jump the train?
justusranvier: BingoBoingo: No matter how often you tell people they don't actually own Bitcoins if somebody else controls the private keys, they don't seem to listen.
justusranvier: It took almost 2 years to recover from the 2011 Goxxing, and the decline was far more severe than this selloff.
BingoBoingo: The current market shit seems to be an effort to make "paper" BTC a thing like it was at Gox, and well, cycles repeat themselves
godovo: the large early holdings will not move, yes, but at the same "redditors" will be hesitant to buy in
godovo: what happens if they succeed to kill it's "mass appeal" tho? be it via insane price swings (the volatility argument), or by having big, known "holders" dumping big time?
pete_dushenski: but that would be rather out of sorts for a nation who imagines themselves the most powerful and important in the world
pete_dushenski: godovo they could also voluntarily submit, of course
pete_dushenski: at least they don't think so
pete_dushenski: depends where your own personal bar for pathetic lies, i suppose
godovo: so can't this be considered a pathetic attempt?
pete_dushenski: but not before we all write a few more articles, sweat a few more bullets, and watch as the salvos wizz by
pete_dushenski: regulation ain't gonna cut the mustard, so why not print their way out like they always do?
pete_dushenski: basically, this is the usg's attempt to "kill" bitcoin
assbot: The Bitcoin Dumping Charade | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski
pete_dushenski: godovo: i'm guessing you read http://contravex.com/2014/08/14/the-bitcoin-dumping-charade/
kakobrekla: gj not reusing the addy.
pete_dushenski: "Why would you bet on no 3 separate times after the bet was satisfied yes?" << i wonder the same thing
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mircea_popescu: plus minus four or so. yes, that'd be the idea.
godovo: are they "all or nothing"?
pete_dushenski: "The Clayton Utz app allows in-house lawyers to choose which regulator is raiding their offices and guides them through how they need to act. It’s designed to be used even if regulators shut down an internal computer system."
pete_dushenski: "Australian law firm Clayton Utz has developed a smartphone app for companies facing dawn raids on their offices from police, antitrust and securities regulators, and tax officers."
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller not bad!
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: i am interviewing an assistant. part of the requiremenets are for her to get in wot. if you still need "office-esque" stuff done, she will be in channel in the future
Namworld: That blog looks like the onion. Not visually I mean.
BingoBoingo: !up thestringpuller
BingoBoingo: !up thestringpuller
mircea_popescu: fucking insulting to the poor man's memory.
mircea_popescu: except they speak kurdish.
mthreat: there's a "Loyola Lane" in Austi
mthreat: the hardest street names to pronounce in Buenos Aires are the English ones, because they pronounce them as if they were spanish
mircea_popescu: the lorld of all time
mircea_popescu: ahahhah if this style becomes a thing where one's known as Chris, Lord Mthreat or Juraj, Lord Jurov it'll be the lol of all time.
mircea_popescu: yeah, the right honorable sir elton john of butts.
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mircea_popescu: uh who the hell are you ?!
chetty: to the moon
jurov: the price will be stable unless it changes?
jurov: what is the near term outlook?
mircea_popescu: they had a ta chan but i don't recall what it was atm
los_pantalones: perhaps i'll merge them as it becomes clearer to me but it seemed like a cheap option to do it this way
los_pantalones: ok well there are very well defined IP ownership clauses in my contract and i just thought this made sense as a starting point
mircea_popescu: los_pantalones in the immortal words of pappy, "and on this issue there can be no debate"
los_pantalones: yes yes, but when i'm acting on their behalf am i acting as a sovereign entity?
mircea_popescu: fuck them lol. of course you do.
los_pantalones: i don't technically own the trust i earn working for this company
mircea_popescu: maybe that's the right way to go and i'm just seeing the particular effects of my very peculiar personality, where i have no problem receiving slut selfies on office@
mircea_popescu: BigBitz i didn't mean the power ranger derpage. i just meant, one having multiple gpg signatures.
mircea_popescu: you know this multisig thing is tempting conceptually, much like multi addresses seem the only way to go.
los_pantalones: so i thought you were the best place to start
los_pantalones: no, i signed your gpg outside of this, got the company i'm working with to start to come around on the idea of everyone having one
mircea_popescu: but it would actually exceed the sum total of ~20 or so different parties.
mircea_popescu: los_pantalones that 30 something btc would not only be the biggest anyone's entertained yet,
mircea_popescu: justusranvier well you get the ability to permavoice ppls.
mircea_popescu: but just as long as there's a clear delineation of risk, and you undertake the risk of ethereum not going anywhere, we can prolly hammer something out
justusranvier: The Ether "investors" are the same vendors who are going be paid using the received Bitcoins.
justusranvier: The theory is it's a laundring operation of the exact form use by politial campain fundraising
los_pantalones: you tell me the terms of how you are interested
mircea_popescu: if you're not going to go into some version of "but why do i have to actually take some risk on, isn't this one of those deals where people just get free resources for being people, like from the government ?"
los_pantalones: i have to work out the details on our side but i wanted to check you first
los_pantalones: mircea_popescu, i think we are going to trade some ether with you
gribble: The operation succeeded.