mircea_popescu: bitcoin is a normal function of the adult mind, like writing, or like fucking. you're not into these for anything other than you know, being an adult, being alive, doing the things that there are.
mircea_popescu: maybe, i guess, on like the 3rd or so meta level.
mircea_popescu: bycicling isn;t a functon of people who can't ride bikes either. do you want more people to ride bykes ?
mircea_popescu: i don't care if they do.
usg_press_machin: Not all of them, of course.
usg_press_machin: Thanks mircea. Re WoT was just joshing around. Re: brain wallets etc., the point is that Bitcoin is as much a product of its users as it is the blockchain.
mircea_popescu: i keep forgetting about that and then talking at meanwhile devoiced ppls.
mircea_popescu: <usg_press_machin> But from a more practical perspective, some of the tools people use to interact with the blockchain e.g. brain wallets or faulty random number generators are weak points. << how do you figure this has anything to do with ecdsa ?
usg_press_machin: But from a more practical perspective, some of the tools people use to interact with the blockchain e.g. brain wallets or faulty random number generators are weak points.
usg_press_machin: Roughly every thirty seconds or so, I spend my life glued to the computer.
mircea_popescu: usg_press_machin just how often do you check them hits ?
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decimation: asciilifeform: re: tax-farming :: in Maryland there is such a thing as 'ground rent' - 'landlord' can sell land from under your house if you don't pay
ben_vulpes: welcome. into the wot with ye.
usg_press_machin: I've been following the logs for a couple of months and figured it was a good opportunity to pop in.
decimation: mircea_popescu: surely you do not mean these guys receive paychecks from usg. plenty of people shill in the hope that they can get scraps from the master's table
decimation: somalia would exist if not for the us decolonizing everything
mircea_popescu: meanwhile the guy's "business partner" drones all about how "you gotta live in real anarchy". because totally nobody ever did it outside of his dumb american ass, being leeched by some somalis for a few years.
mircea_popescu: that's what teh boys got. how well bitcoin integrates (ie, how well some usg twerps nobody takles seriously have pretended to integrate with their puppet masters. herp.) and how unsovereign it is.
mircea_popescu: ECDSA is imperfect. The hunt for the perfect mining algo is ongoing; Bitcoins in particular has proven to be a tremendous waste of electricity, the process little more than an environmentally harmful race to the bottom. The protocol supports a mere 7 transactions per second. Protocol development has been difficult to implement on account of the centralisation of mining power and community inertia. "
mircea_popescu: http://prestonbyrne.com/2014/08/14/tory-2/ << read that to get a pretty much exact blow by blow of the hostile aggenda.
mircea_popescu: it's not just preston byrne or this or that derp. it's about a hundred of them by now, and as the old saying goes : the problem with this world is that while smart people are hesitant, government shills are full of words.
assbot: On the Sovereignty of CryptoCurrencies -- What Bitcoin can Learn from Somaliland
mircea_popescu: https://blog.caseykuhlman.com/entries/2014/bitcoin-somaliland.html << and the usg press machine is making serious efforts at creating a bunch of interlinked blogs to cover the discussion in astroturf.
mircea_popescu: funny that it goes the same way as btc this thing.
mircea_popescu: for easy comparison, argentina legally allows prostitution, but not pimping. this is roughly equivalent to allowing lyft/uber but not the traditional style.
mircea_popescu: there's a reason the traditional "taxi mafia" is prevalent all over the world. that technology may force the government to release its extractive grip of said mafia tho... this is dubious. works for as long as people have the upper tech side, but this pendulum swings.
mircea_popescu: anyway, small, worthless transactions like say a cab ride aren't too adequate for this sort of application because people can't be arsed to bother.
justusranvier: that they are *not* about to do business with a cop
justusranvier: So by the time this all happens we should have tools ready that are specifically designed to allow people to conduct in-person commerce with some assurance they are about to do business with a cop
justusranvier: By this point, however, the only attack vector will be sting operations against individual drivers.
justusranvier: What will they do? Of course, they'll do exactly what the taxi drivers are doing to them - demand the government "do something"
justusranvier: Right about the time they win this battle, pure P2P versions of what they do will start cutting them out of the loop entirely.
justusranvier: However, the process of doing so is going to be very expensive and consume the profits they should rightfully have made.
justusranvier: They'll get in bed with the lawmakers and regulators and get the rules changed so they can participate.
justusranvier: In the near future, Uber and Lyft are going to win their battle with the established taxi mafias.
justusranvier: Here's the scenerio:
justusranvier: I do think that invitation-only networks have a role in the future, and creating incentives for proper vetting will be important, however those are accomplshed.
justusranvier: Mostly I just want people to start thinking along the lines of how to harden existing systems specifically different threat models than those they are accustomed to combating.
mircea_popescu: or at least, that's what i think on the matter.
mircea_popescu: so in this sense "stop being stupid and use the b-a model" is about a billion times more effectual than "here's how you could do it theoretically"
mircea_popescu: the reasons it's not well implemented are in no sense scientifical, but purely political, and so the solution isn't going to come from writing it up, but from a willingness to work with others already doing it.
mircea_popescu: anyway. yes, that's the concept, it's not particularly novel or revolutionary, even if everyone from facebook to amazon ratings implements it very very badly.
justusranvier: I lost the password forum account, and don't have the email it was linked to any more. I may have an archived PGP key around somewhere that was linked to it though.
mircea_popescu: there's nothing wrong with seeing something you like and trying to understand how it works, or implement it. there is however something wrong with seeing something you like and imagining you invented it. that something is that in exchange for the stroking of vanity, it also isolates you from the exact people you don't really want to be isolated from, id est, those people who actually do the things you like.
justusranvier: If you're going to speak about credit though, as far as I know I was the first person to suggest ising GPG-signed ratings for Bitcoin trading.
ben_vulpes: is there a book?
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mircea_popescu: justusranvier so what is this, basically an awkward rework of the b-a voice model without acknowledging the source and practical use thereof ?
BigBitz: mircea_popescu ... the 100BTC ?
mircea_popescu: in other news, if anyone was ever curious, i give you horse vices.
mircea_popescu: and yes, it was served on a little stovelet at the table, with embers.
BigBitz: Portherhouse Waygu.
mircea_popescu: theodred that's typically romanian an ending. like -ian for armenians.
BigBitz: mircea_popescu you can meet me there.
theodred: mircea_popescu: nice.. ah, the ending escu in ur last name.. came to mind.
mircea_popescu: or else, i could document the best porterhouse steak in the history of porter houses everywhere.
BigBitz: With your 100BTC I will document a trip to Vegas where I bet the whole amount on one roulette spin.
BigBitz: mircea_popescu sure. But I am not one of them.
mircea_popescu: BigBitz there's plenty of people in vegas already you know.
mircea_popescu: theodred no, i'm romanian.
mircea_popescu: !up theodred
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mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot theodred
ben_vulpes: looks like the character's doing a slow transform from vexual to muXne
kakobrekla: !up theodred
assbot: theodred +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
gribble: ben_vulpes was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 hours, 36 minutes, and 10 seconds ago: <ben_vulpes> wywialm: there is no recourse in bitcoin.
trixisowned: of the video
mircea_popescu: the correct way to get wood ? like irl.
mircea_popescu: (and also, you could hexedit the map. i made a 6 ore deposit - 4 sugarcane - 4 tobascco - 6 wheat island once0
mircea_popescu: and also, the winingstrat was... 4 towns, all fortresses.
asciilifeform: 'colonists held the Boston Horse Party, where sixteen tons of horses were thrown overboard...'
asciilifeform: 'secret' << it was blown open in the 'washington post' afaik
mircea_popescu: the rest got in through ppl closing eyes to this that or the other, cause well... gotta fill the seats.
mircea_popescu: actually the latest (secret!!1) data shows about half of all us secret service empoyees across the whole shebang (yes, including the soopar-sikrit outfits, heh), just a shade above half are actually legally working
asciilifeform: 'Border Patrol says that debts and financial issues may render candidates unsuitable for service.' << gold. how many of the stuffed uniforms are technically eligible to work, then
mircea_popescu: "There had been no classes at Simon Business School on how to apprehend crooks who appropriated your assets." <<< what a shitty school.
asciilifeform: 'Federal Trade Commission notes on its website: Although the collector may not sue you to collect the debt, you still owe it.' << how exactly does this work in bezzleworld ?
asciilifeform: in usa, 'tax farming' - in the form of the bezzlatron described in the link - is SOP.
asciilifeform: 'The debtors, of course, had no way of knowing who actually owned the debt. Nor did they have any reason to suspect that they might be paying thieves. They were simply being told they owed the money and had to pay.' << why should the wretches care - which thief ?
punkman: "This was not a problem Siegel was used to handling. There had been no classes at Simon Business School on how to apprehend crooks who appropriated your assets. "
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punkman: "Using his spreadsheets, this unknown agency was calling his debtors and collecting debt that was rightfully his. The debtors, of course, had no way of knowing who actually owned the debt. Nor did they have any reason to suspect that they might be paying thieves. They were simply being told they owed the money and had to pay."
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask ben_vulpes!~user@unaffiliated/benkay. Trust relationship from user xmj to user ben_vulpes: Level 1: 3, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=xmj&dest=ben_vulpes | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=ben_vulpes | Rated since: Sun Mar 10 13:57:45 2013
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mircea_popescu: and also, had you asked this on teh blog post, this comment'd have ended up on the blogpost. now it;s on the log. if some guy reads the post six months from now, i'll remember it, but vaguely, and i'll say "it's in the logs". how does that help him ?
mircea_popescu: of course they also made financial speculation liable in excess of sanity, which didn't work out for them on a macro scale, but the point remains : there's no good reason to exploit the concept of limited liability as a sort of exclusive monogamous relationship with the company.
mircea_popescu: what if limited liability weren't improperly tied to the notion of corporation ? like it worked in the soviet union : medical practice is unliable, and so cheap and affordable.
mircea_popescu: a fine example of how problematic this is : financial services, because they are companies, are also unliable. meanwhile, medical services, which aren't companies, are liable. the result ? rampant financial speculation exploiting the public resources of local authorities, and unaffordable healthcare.
mircea_popescu: seems to me limited liability is not directly involved in the discussion. it's true that there's at work in the fiat world this mechanism whereby liability is limited automatically, in order to conceptually prop the corporation.
wywialm: ben_vulpes: from S.WOL Listing Agreement "4.2. The liability of any person or entity party to this contract, either direct, indirect, incidental, tortious, punitive, exemplary or otherwise shall in no case exceed such sums as may be proven that person or entity has in fact received through the working of this contract. Signatories and investors agree to indemnify and hold harmless any
ben_vulpes: wywialm: there is no recourse in bitcoin.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
wywialm: ;;later tell mircea_popescu re:La Serenissima and personal sovereignty. What about limited liability as a concept? To the dustbin, may stay as it is (how?), or only in the form of limited partnership with at least one partner assuming unlimited liability?
ben_vulpes: "Companies like Facebook want get as much of that money as possible, which means chasing users and reach.", "This personalization means that two readers of The New York Times may seen a very different picture of the world" << dear atlantic. not paying for competent proofreading is why your ad rates suck.
ben_vulpes: http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2014/08/advertising-is-the-internets-original-sin/376041/
BigBitz: "Now that I have recovered everything except the wallet file the actual loss should be pegged at less than $2,000, twelve hundred of which is the cost point of our new backup system."
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cazalla: Mexual, they didn't answer shit from trollbox
Mexual: and they pretty much said altcouns ar ecool
Mexual: there as almist 10 people wyavhing
Mexual: did they ansder any questions?
Mexual: oh, you arent the cross eyed guy?
Mexual: are you the google hangoi guy?
cazalla: that's why i like danielpbarron, he keeps on true to his ideals regardless of the negs
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Mexual: *leather
Mexual: and my hat gto swapped for some lkweather
Mexual: then you change your tune wutha new hat
Mexual: imma take moeity to the summit of ben nevis
cazalla: i stopped for like a month but this fkn kid and the crying
cazalla: last longneck and then i'm done :\
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Mexual: when i come to the north i bring my own fuxkin vikings
Mexual: these nuts
cazalla: there's nothing on, i don't know why she wants it
cazalla: they can't get to my breeding stock
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Mexual: place is on the yp and up
Mexual: you'll do wel on the apple
cazalla: bit the leg off a bunny
cazalla: fucking cunts they are
cazalla: fox got in other night
cazalla: my cousin (the one that knew choppa) met him a few times in perth
Mexual: play fridaysa again for the orientals
cazalla: into the trash it goes
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Mexual: ooj, i dont have the csctus for that
Mexual: yeah um jeeping the diamonds
Mexual: no, black is the same
xmj: so you could back up your stuff to the NSA and some accompanying software would facilitate things.
usagi: Mexual: Well with the wonders of personal cloud technology, you just set up a synced folder on a bunch of different devices for redundancy and you're good to go
usagi: I've also set up a small mirror on my macbook which then goes out via time machine to a 1TB Toshiba drive. It should be okay now
usagi: Actually I am really thinking of adding a DS213 air to the mix for redundancy, I like Synology's software.
fluffypony: but there are out-building that are very nicely done up
fluffypony: punkman: the main building still has many months of restoration work
xmj: i don't know them
punkman: I like that he still starts with the fake picture
xmj: that's like bringing owls to athens.
Mexual: im all about the lulz
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xmj: that sounds like one of the Lower castes of White Trash.
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jurov: mexual come hither, my spawn
cazalla: xmj clearly never had a yowie (soon back on the market)
Mexual: i charge by the hour
xmj: RagnarDanneskjol: i like the 40/40/20 billing
xmj: RagnarDanneskjol: reading through them now
xmj: RagnarDanneskjol: thanks for the links
Mexual: theoreitcally
gribble: The operation succeeded.
RagnarDanneskjol: that ones pretty basic, I got lotsa them
Mexual: ill drop the c word in court to cover my contracts
fluffypony: English, and it specifies resolution in SA, but the wording has been checked by attorneys in the US / Canada / Germany
Mexual: punkman, it was months since i hit the desert trying to get xloser to mp
usagi: punkman; No, there were no bitcoins in the address. Later on I sent .15 of personal funds to the address by accident (instead of to my vps host), bit of a facepalm there but nothing serious
punkman: usagi: what do I care, I'm just here for the lulz
usagi: punkman; Usually, due to jurisdictional problems. However there have been a few recent developments.
HeySteve: oh right, makes sense then
HeySteve: usagi did someone else up you? that would explain why you can't up others
usagi: It's a bit of a joke, actually. Some scammer turns up? Oh, must be the next usagi.
usagi: For example, when tahoe-ldap lost their privkey people here were saying how sad it was. They lost over 300 btc
usagi: The thing you have to understand, is that most of the people who are tearing shit up about me are liars and/or hypocrites.
cazalla: well, i have my popcorn.gif at the ready just in case
Mexual: id hazard the lords dont gibe a flying fuck
cazalla: usagi, you said you didn't have much time but most people are doing other things at this time so you won't get many questions, may i suggest hanging around until some of those in the lordship show up
Mexual: they got guns too
usagi: I think pirate lives there.
usagi: But other than that, no, I don't really know about Perth.
usagi: Well, the Perth mint is located in Perth. Apparently.
usagi: Dunno, never been there.
usagi: I sense a theme.
Mexual: can i amke it in tokyo next to the emporers palace? ;;8ball
Mexual: what is the question?
usagi: My answer would be the same
usagi: I'm not sure what you mean, but if you have some honest advice I will take it from the source it's given.
Mexual: in japan the comparasin is different
HeySteve: hey wasn't there a bitbet about russian forces in ukraine?
Mexual: dont link some other fuck, tell us what you think
Mexual: do tell us brother usagi
usagi: Cuz im just saying, if you aren't following the latest trends in linguistics, then of course you wouldn't know about the studies surrounding literacy in China.
usagi: So who do you follow in linguistics then?
Mexual: the thing you say first is what peopl hear
Mexual: either way
usagi: Meaning, among those who are literate, they are not "more literate" now than they were before the changes.
Mexual: however i think the changes are only good
usagi: Yeah I used to like Chinese culture a lot, still do, but the recent trends in Chinese linguistics have put me off a bit
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Mexual: if hung around the back of trucks since i was born
Mexual: neither
cazalla: if you were claiming line rental or something on tax back then, you're older than i assumed, how old are you Mexual
cazalla: then again, how many noobs used their real names first time on a bbs, maybe this explains mircea_popescu name etc?
trixisowned: like, the name is owned
cazalla: rename file andreas_xyz, resize, put it inside other images etc etc so google images picks up hundreds of variations of it when searching his name
mircea_popescu: trixisowned interesting nick btw. what's the "is owned" part ?
cazalla: that's prime for a dick photoshop with i love cocks on the postit note
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Mexual: its like 2 in the afternoon
mike_c: i brought shit with me, wasn't going to bother setting up this laptop. but catching up on logs takes forever when sleep deprived.
Mexual: the best part about that joke is that i think rw might have liked it
Mexual: whats the difference between paris hilton and robin williams?
mircea_popescu: or filly, as the case may be.
BingoBoingo: Only for the tequila it seems
mircea_popescu: everyone changes their name, from benkay to ben_vulpes and from bitcoinpete to pete_d. vexual changes too.
mircea_popescu: <cazalla> if bitcoin = bad, ether = good, why would they sell ether for bitcoin? << it's the bitcoin patriarchy raping them.
mircea_popescu: <justusranvier> What happenes when somebody produces a platform just as useful, but without the need for an appcoin? << thinking is racist.
decimation: I stopped listening awhile ago; did they answer your questions or ignore?
BingoBoingo: http://images.kingdomofloathing.com/otherimages/apology.gif << danielpbarron
mike_c_minus_key: are there assetters around here? ben_vulpes, you in portland?
Mexual: authenticate
Mexual: objects in the mirror appear closer
decimation: I think the bitcoin sale was a "hook", (con-man style) to cover the coin with a whiff of bitcoin's legitimacy.