asciilifeform: the equivalent of us falling down.
asciilifeform: submarine rough ride << float a tethered photovoltaic array. problem solved.
assbot: Ukraine Got Talent - The world's best pole dancer - Anastasia Sokolova - YouTube
mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9FS1bxaGTg << this is the reason we like ukraina btw.
mircea_popescu: then i wondered how to fix, and then i realised that well... no way really, best wait to be taken to task for my business insider treatment of science.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah i realised as i was typing that the connection is actually not as close as i'd have liked.
RagnarDanneskjol: They reestablished contact today once they put Ragnar & me together, want to retain me again, sent a job order. So, I am withholding final judgement pending a come-to-jesus conversation we're scheduled to have tomorrow so I can get to the bottom of what transpired.
RagnarDanneskjol: the ones who asked about dev support earlier today
mircea_popescu: and which guys are these.
RagnarDanneskjol: I actually have a history with those guys and would be derelict in my b-a duties if I didn't raise a cautionary flag… THey hired one of my best devs to adapt a python arb model… Payment commitments to said dev got a little squirrely. Also, I volunteered my own time to fix their website, redid all the html, css, wrote most of their content and they kind of blew it off without even a
RagnarDanneskjol: speaking of - mp - Thanks for the referral; what more could a guy ask? think I'm gonna be a dork like pete & throw that up on my website.
mircea_popescu: should more or less fix the problem.
mircea_popescu: ;;rate kyrio -3 does not understand how the wot works or what it's for.
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mircea_popescu: now let's wonder why exactly is the usg dept of facebook able to spend 20bn on some random purchase of a valueless firm
mircea_popescu: As the protests in Ferguson, Missouri over police fatally shooting 19-year-old Mike Brown have raged through the past several nights, more than a few people have noticed how relatively quiet Facebook news feeds have been on the matter. While #Ferguson is a trending hashtag, Zeynep Tufekci pointed out at Medium that news about the violence was, as best, slow to percolate through her own feed, despite people posting libe
mircea_popescu: so there.
asciilifeform: dental << at any good 'rupture farms' like mine, they have dental
asciilifeform: 'Вопрос читал?' << 'have you read the question?' =~ 'бНОПНЯ ВХРЮК?' << bnopnya grunted in?
asciilifeform: decimation: no need for data sheet here. there's a reason people build atomic clocks (plural) instead of having just one built and listening to it via radio.
decimation: asciilifeform: the datasheet artfully declines to provide any spec for timing accuracy - long or short term
decimation: asciilifeform: generally only in the big cities though
asciilifeform: (admit by exam. plenty of these here.)
asciilifeform: us is a true popular democracy : they have no privileged highschool << nope
decimation: yeah http://www.u-blox.com/images/downloads/Product_Docs/NEO-7_ProductSummary_%28GPS.G7-HW-11003%29.pdf "neo 7-N" is the version with TCXO
decimation: asciilifeform: I think they make a version with TCXO, doubt cheap chinese version has
asciilifeform: 'priced by the watt' is only approximately true in this sense.
asciilifeform: electricity is still sold by the watt << most humans don't have 1000 amp feeds, hence 'no hurry' observation.
ben_vulpes: <nubbins`> how about the marijuana supports terr.. oh, wait` << from a conversation with a client earlier today: "pot makes you stupid! if my son keeps smoking, i'm going to cut him off."
mircea_popescu: so there we go.
mircea_popescu: now grant one more thing : there's going to be no space until long after the ocean floor is alma mater.
decimation: one thing I would certainly grant: it would be far easier for humanity to escape to the ocean floor than to the harshness of space
mircea_popescu: there's no ocean hail.
decimation: nor do hurricanes, earthquakes, etc make much difference to the fish
mircea_popescu: but there's no underwater tornadoes.
mircea_popescu: whereas the neptune inconveniences appear uncommon and thus remarkable,
mircea_popescu: specifically : just because you're used to zephyr's inconveniences to the point you don't notice them anymore
decimation: good point. or worse, those who worship statues of themselves
decimation: as ascii's quote of Mr. Yarvin points out, one would then make themselves a slave to Neptune, who isn't a forgiving master
mircea_popescu: energy is not actually expensive, both nuclear and geothermal generators can conveniently live submerged.
decimation: you need an energy source to break the water bonds
mircea_popescu: burning the resulting hydrogen in your own atmosphere a) purifies the air and b) makes water.
decimation: yeah such a thing is probably near the realm of possibility, I agree
mircea_popescu: the tech exists today, integrally.
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> well, lettuce see. the submarine is submerged. it does not care about "weather" in either fluid sense. with the new fleshlights and tumblr pr0nz... i defy you to find a bunch of 20somethings whose current life would be differen if they were subbed. < ah
decimation: right underwater the ride is great, but you need energy source that doesn't depend on breathing air
ben_vulpes: decimation: aren't they most stable subsurface though?
decimation: the thing that sucks about submarines is that when you are on the surface they are unstable
ben_vulpes: just because it makes sense to mine high-density rare earths from the seafloor doesn't mean any significant number of meatwads are going to be living subsurface.
ben_vulpes: whither the mpex smarts? or is everything wackily correlated and when btc rockets to 800 come march o'clock does doge briefly cross 50 satoshi again?
decimation: ben_vulpes: that's when you hit the buy button right?
ben_vulpes: this implies to me that mpoe holders are dumping to move their coins to usd like typical momentum traders
mircea_popescu: THAT's the punchline ?
mircea_popescu: but anyway, so what's the punchline ?
ben_vulpes: mpoe still trading in the sevens
ben_vulpes: at some point during sophomore year i realized that my bus passed a local public hs, so i stopped in at the starbucks outside of campus, timing my arrival to be some days thirty minutes before class got out and some days thirty minutes after class got out (i had no rationale at the time, but it was a good call)
cazalla: ATO released their bitcoin guidance today https://www.ato.gov.au/General/Gen/Tax-treatment-of-crypto-currencies-in-Australia---specifically-bitcoin/
assbot: Where we’re going, you won’t need bras (55 Photos) : : theCHIVE
mircea_popescu: http://thechive.com/2012/10/18/where-were-going-you-wont-need-bras-55-photos/ tits, meanwhile. for the... lurkers.
ben_vulpes: OES being in deep southwest and my home being in the near SE (bezzlar-ployees having to live near the mega fabs and my father not being one, we lived in the cool part of town: http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=218), i had much time to use for reading.
ben_vulpes: i attended a particular hs (OES, for the lurkers), and rode the bus home instead of driving as I got more reading time out of the experience.
mircea_popescu: well not done with the logs and pinging ascii, but with this skein
mircea_popescu: this is, in so many words, the whole hope of humanity.
ben_vulpes: that's why i sniped the best public school girls throughout hs
ben_vulpes: i am indeed coming in on the tail of this one - to what specifically do you refer?
mircea_popescu: it is when everyone else is taught to get out of your way because you are better than them.
decimation: but the context is set by prole thinking
decimation: yeah, if you had brains generally better schools made provision for you to escape to the 'nerd class'
mircea_popescu: so i guess in a sense the observed difference readily reduces to "well, the us is a true popular democracy : they have no privileged highschool, everyone goes to the prole vocational crapolade"
mircea_popescu: this attitude was principally what distinguished the privileged hs from the prole "vocational" w/e.
mircea_popescu: i mean you could be cool other ways, but an inability to ace something meant you, in so many words, sucked.
ben_vulpes: i learned at an early age the correlation between grades and what one learned
mircea_popescu: at the time in question, you literally could not go on a date if you sucked in school.
decimation: generally in the us none of the kids in "regular class" give a shit about grades, learning, etc, which creates a different social dynamic
mircea_popescu: this resulted in a very docile and obedient population. they, for instance, always took notes. we never did.
mircea_popescu: e common man - or woman - so they'd not be embarassed if teacher asked followups and b) was credibly something they could come up with while still correct above a C lvl)
mircea_popescu: you know it's bizarre, because it didn't work that way in romania of yore. we had a pretty sweet tacit agreement where the slower girls could copy for exams. generally there was a boy-genius in charge for any subject (chemistry was HARD and a chick did it, but otherwise was boys) and the guy in charge usually prepared a "for the class" version of the test (something that gave good marks but was a) comprehensible for th
decimation: Mr. Yarvin goes on: "If you are an American raising kids abroad and you want to reintroduce them to your country, I highly recommend this sort of shock-and-awe approach. Having to deal with an American high school was not pleasant, but it gave me a certain respect for America: it exists. Once you go to college, you are no longer in the real America. You are in a fortified outpost of future America, which has been planted in the real
decimation: yeah American high school is weird that way, pretty much a mechanism for ascii's monkeys to identify the "useful" monkeys and begin the beatings
mircea_popescu: decimation and less tits. the few (like,4 or so) actual participants at the things i ever talk too, all 4 mostly went there for the braless wonders in attendance. it was apparently THE place to meet chicks.
mircea_popescu: the result being a scary fucking combo of psychotic expressivity (they also drink a lot, ukrainian style).
mircea_popescu: the interesting thing with those people however is that they speak and old, and for this reason arguably more powerful version of romanian (still with the very romanian "all other languages are just romanian badly pronounced") and they're all fluent in russian. especially the huy-russian part of russian.
mircea_popescu: planeta moldova being pretty much the only claim to cultural fame/intellectual achievement of the imaginary country of "moldavia".
decimation: it is indoors, (b) there is not quite as much fire, and (c) there is less saluting, more screaming, and about the same amount of chanting."
decimation: Mr. Yarvin experienced something similiar w.r.t. American culture: http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2008/01/how-i-stopped-believing-in-democracy.html "For example, the first thing I remember from my first year in Maryland was something called a "pep rally." For those of you who did not attend an American public high school, a "pep rally" is basically a straight ripoff of what Albert Speer did at Nuremberg, except that (a)
ThickAsThieves: been shorting the shit outta btc
mircea_popescu: suddenly the coder kid discovers he can be a much better lawyer than most judges specifically because he can read a cleaner version of the text than people who learned it on the "linguistics" path.
mircea_popescu: then one readily progresses, about the age of 16 or so, to realise that necessarily the same is true of their own naitve language
mircea_popescu: pretty much the only correct way to learn english, if you ask me.
mircea_popescu: decimation it's a curse hiding a blessing : in learning english as the pronounceable pigdin of computer symbols, one learns to disrespect the social conventions the language carries otherwise.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: satisfying log. keep up the good work. << i guess we're all labrats in kako's little lab experiment.
decimation: I guess the default situation is that if you can program a computer, you can learn english too
mircea_popescu: the word merge was there, which in romanian means "it works" (technically, "it goes") and is often a colloquialism "-merge ? -merge, merge" roughly works to "how goes it ? " "okay I guess".
mircea_popescu: in this spirit : my old z80 clone had an english "codeword" instruction set printed out right on the kbd, as was fashionable at the time.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: but for desktop machining - perfect. so long as you aren't in a hurry. << well no, see, electricity is still sold by the watt. whether you're in a hurry or not, you still need same wattage, so still are beholden to the same (rather high) cost. so i suppose "so long as you're making something small enough for your fun doing it to be worth the 0.001 cent to 1/4 dollar price transition"
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal: it's just a trilema article written like shakespeare, no? << it's the merchant of venice ye lout! :D
mircea_popescu: " you will need to swap the electrolyte a few times, and clean the cavity (at least with a nail) from the products of electrolysis." from the imgur in question. this is not strictly true : in some cases the electrolyte products are protective, in some cases however they are not. depends a lot what we're drilling. (this is roughly why rust is a problem for iron but not aluminum say.)
mircea_popescu: part of why the wot is so fucking useful. "you're not a ceo until mp says you're a ceo" has, along with its excellent oppressive potential, some incredible value in practice.
mircea_popescu: the problem with letting people self identify instead of having third parties identify them is that people will mis-selfidentify.
decimation: most "Libertarians" are pretty much leftists with a slight preference for more "personal freedom" (the kind without personal responsibility)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: with little-to-none attention to principles << the reason would be that chemistry is not a science. physics is the science. if the kids wanted the principles they'd go for physics. if they didn't that means they don't wish to understand the thing, but merely you know... be engineers :D
mircea_popescu: the 9 volt cell things took over eventually.
decimation: one rarely encounters such batteries in the us
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: http://imgur.com/AR8UVBW << quoted for the battery. now that EXACT battery, so exact that a vague outline thereof is the most that's needed and the most a person of taste and discrimination would ever draw, for fear of being you know, boringingly fastidious, is a 4.5 volt 3 cell mangan oxide battery that was the most important element of my childhood.
mircea_popescu: makes one feel better about onesefl if can at least claim bitcoin is like you know, "that thing that's bee going on forever at the outskirts".
mircea_popescu: moreover, the actual loser in the us, ie, the actual us, is desperate to attach the current representation of their eventual doom to something that's a perennial loser.
decimation: you have to understand, the "Libertarian party" in the US is a perennial loser, they are desperate to attach to anything that smells of success.
mircea_popescu: for this same reason a newtonian physics professor would rather entertain phlogiston than string theory.
mircea_popescu: "look how right we are, and how relevant to the future and general affairs as a going concern : even this bitcoin thing is about something we discuss."
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal: I just don't get why they think it's all about some party << because if it's about something in their system then that validates the system in question.
mircea_popescu: the rough equivalent would be, peasant goes to plow field, finds roman coin trove, mounts them in his nose, goes about town like he's invented african tribalism.
mircea_popescu: instead of the more normal 1. learn french ; 2. read some fragments of rousseau at local library ; 3. proceed to read the 200 years' worth of discussion on rousseau
decimation: mircea_popescu: indeed, these folks are slow on the uptake, but it is amusing to see reflections on the edge of 'real media'
mircea_popescu: it's starting to amze me, the natural cargo-cult-ish inclination of most english space dwellers. it's a sort of, 1. learn french ; 2. read some fragments of rousseau at local library, by themselves ; 3. start blog to impart your discovery that you call "the social deal" to the world.
mircea_popescu: assbot: Tech Visionary George Gilder: "Bitcoin is the Libertarian Solution to the Money Enigma." - Reason.com << what is this, "i've caught up to 2011 let me tell you what i have now discovered" ?
mircea_popescu: decimation: to me the obvious use for plastic turd is to make molds for metal pouring << metal pouring is a very iffy proposition tho.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell Bitcoin1011: Is he involved in other mobile apps in the space for my reference? << no, he's the resident talent scout.
asciilifeform prefers viktor pelevin's уркаина - 'urkaine', which metamorphosizes over 1000 years (in one of his tales) to 'urkland' and then 'orcland.'
decimation: lol I didn't realize that there was a controversy about how to spell "Ukraine" in Cyrillic http://lurkmore.to/В/на
kakobrekla: satisfying log. keep up the good work.
decimation: unfortunately the encoding jokes don't translate on google
asciilifeform: (bad encoding settings often result in hilariously-pronounceable garbage, some of which entered circulation as euphemism and otherwise)
decimation: heh yeah it's pretty easy to memorize another alphabet, it's much harder to remember grammar & vocabulary
asciilifeform: as if it were ever the 'hard part'
asciilifeform: for some reason folks who lived in latinate script all their life are obsessed with typography
asciilifeform: not other than superficially.
decimation: asciilifeform: have you studied Greek, since Cyril gave you the same typography?
decimation: original hp48 looked like it was styled in east germany: http://www.thimet.de/CalcCollection/Calculators/HP-48GX/HP-48GPlus-M.JPG I loved the clicky "tic-tac" keyboard
asciilifeform: 'check out our other installments, such as Balanced Trinary Computing and Electrically Induced REM Sleep.'
asciilifeform: 'this has been a production of Orcish Science for the Human Experimentalist (TM). Hope you enjoyed the show.'
asciilifeform: but should be clear to the alert reader that such things cannot be overlooked.
asciilifeform: prominently missing from the napkin sketch is a number of necessaries (means for cooling the electrolyte, scrubbing metal out of it, positioning of the head, etc)
asciilifeform: because it has piss-poor ROI in ordinary industry (unless you're the ussr)
decimation: it is odd that the process you are proposing is very similar to existing precision volume manufacturing yet has no "buy-in" from industry
decimation: asciilifeform: to be clear, you want to restrict the contact area of the "working liquid" to keep from ruining the whole sample, right?
asciilifeform: if clever, emplace a magnetic field of the appropriate geometry around the fluid intake/return channels, so it is propelled entirely electrically. if even more clever, emplace a system in the reservoir to re-separate the metal from the electrolyte.
asciilifeform: ^ for the thick
assbot: ECM for the thick - Imgur
decimation: no I'm pretty sure it's a direct quote from the merchant of venice
assbot: The Most Serene Republic, and its laws. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
TheNewDeal: I have only read the first few lines, but what's this one on http://trilema.com/2014/the-most-serene-republic-and-its-laws/ ?
asciilifeform: but never made the obvious conclusion.
asciilifeform: the funny thing is - they appear to understand exactly why the naive approach results in a putrid mess instead of the desired cut.
asciilifeform: the moving 'cutter' must be a nozzle where only a small area of liquid contacts the place to be cut.
asciilifeform: these unfortunates, who, one can surmise, don't know russian, neglected the detail that one must pump the electrolyte.
decimation: this is roughly the deal most "managers of stuff" find themselves in: we will pretend you are a normal human as long as you give us stuff
asciilifeform: (summary of paper: monkey is taught to solve a puzzle which unlocks a dispenser of tasty food. is placed in a cage of 'uneducated' monkeys. is then reliably beaten into dispensing the food for the 'bosses.')
decimation: nevertheless, as mircea_popescu points out, business is about growth, and growth is about knowing how to manage stuff
assbot: How the Other Half Works: an Adventure in the Low Status of Software Engineers | Michael O. Church
decimation: good point. http://michaelochurch.wordpress.com/2014/07/13/how-the-other-half-works-an-adventure-in-the-low-status-of-software-engineers/
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asciilifeform: ;;google "call in the lab nigger"
asciilifeform: when and where did 'producers' inhabit anywhere but the 'bottom' ?
decimation: it is interesting how the us status hierarchy (bureaucrats on top, producers of things on bottom) has all kinds of distorting effects -- all of which is funded by the distortion of bezzle money
asciilifeform: decimation: they could have, in principle, decreed two sets of chemistry courses, one for med-muppetry, one for would-be chemists. but this did not happen.
decimation: this is because of the relative high status of a doctor compared to a chemist actually working in a big chemical corporation
asciilifeform: decimation: aside from the unremarkable decay across the board of all things u.s., there is a specific phenomenon at work on chemists. in most u.s. schools, they do not actually teach chemistry. instead, they carry out an eleborate 'hazing ritual' for would-be med school applicants.
decimation: my uncle was a research chemist (retired) at a large chemical firm in rural us. he was always complaining about the low quality of "chemists" who graduate from us schools
decimation: TheNewDeal: libertarians are going to claim whatever success they think they are aligned with, for facebook likes.
TheNewDeal: I just don't get why they think it's all about some party
decimation: it's obvious that there's a segment of silicon valley circus that sees bitcoin as a way to exit from usg
assbot: Tech Visionary George Gilder: "Bitcoin is the Libertarian Solution to the Money Enigma." - Reason.com
decimation: http://reason.com/reasontv/2014/08/12/tech-visionary-george-gilder-bitcoin-is << not the most articulate, but mildly interesting
asciilifeform: TheNewDeal: resources available to an average person of modest means and lukewarm enthusiasm
TheNewDeal: what the hell do you all mean jungle conditions?
decimation: thus negating the low cost benefit
decimation: re: laser sintering: it seems to me that it is likely that you are going to leave "air bubbles" in the resulting metal, since you are melting piecemeal
asciilifeform: but he might etch them.
decimation: but the process of melting and pouring most metals in jungle conditions is not very reliable
decimation: to me the obvious use for plastic turd is to make molds for metal pouring
asciilifeform: sintering is only used in 'real life', generally, when there is no other choice (ceramics, and metals that really don't behave well in a mill like tungsten)
TheNewDeal: believing they can accomplish everything with one shitty machine?
asciilifeform: e.g., their only public suggestion thus far for metalwork is laser sintering - cribbed straight from ordinary industry
asciilifeform: the '3d printer' folks are still, by and large, thinking like 'normal' engineers.
mircea_popescu: but for that matter, so am i, the kids with the apps haven't yet discovered bitcoin pays better.
asciilifeform: the computer has no idea what, if anything, was actually cut - and hwo
asciilifeform: turing-complete << this brings up another interesting observation - none of today's machine tools give the computer any feedback, beyond slide end-stop sensors
TheNewDeal: we draw all the programs out with software called alphacam , our company adds on a toolbar that automatically generates the g-code, then you literally just upload it to the machine and hit go
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal pretty cool.
asciilifeform: decimation: g-code << it's just simple coordinate motions, with some commands to specify tool changes, splines, etc. what would you have them use?
asciilifeform: article suggests a useful 'household' application for the demo - poke a hole in a hardened steel knife where the handle fell off, to bolt on new handle.
decimation: asciilifeform: why do all of these machines continue to use "g-code"?
asciilifeform: and they all require skill.
asciilifeform: but none of these are pauperizable.
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
TheNewDeal: they're CNC machines though, so you can do some cool in-lay stuff with em though http://imgur.com/Botjoww I did that with a guy in chicago
asciilifeform: for those who don't know russian, the photo should suffice.
TheNewDeal: they cut out granite, marble, and man-made stone for the most part. I've heard some people cut steel with em
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal srsly ?
decimation: well water-jet cutting is up there too
mircea_popescu: there is some 3d ablative tech sort-of similar, but mostly limited to medicinal use
asciilifeform: outside of the russian world, electrolytic machining only caught on in 2d - this is how circuit boards are made. (photographic etching)
mircea_popescu: but the sun heat is even.
asciilifeform: you cut, and the metal in that place is now hardenes.
asciilifeform: it is more or less impossible to anneal (and, opposite, harden) all but the smallest objects in 'jungle conditions'
asciilifeform: (or with a 'knife' in the general sense)
asciilifeform: point of the above unfinished tale is, most of the difficulty of machining as a field revolves around the unwanted sequelae of having to cut metal with metal.
decimation: or cnc lathe
asciilifeform: he owns a cnc mill, the size of a tv set.
asciilifeform: decimation: they do.
decimation: I wish 'maker' derps would build machining devices rather than plastic molders
asciilifeform: if you're fine with waiting a year for the, e.g., pistol, draw 1 amp instead of 1000.
asciilifeform: and the hardness of the material being cut doesn't matter at all - so long as it conducts.
asciilifeform: it was a response to the nato embargo on selling 6-axis milling machines to the sovblok.
asciilifeform: this was perfected in ussr, and the only vendor of electrolytic mills (which could trivially 'etch' small - or large - arms of whatever kind, on a desktop) is still russian.
mircea_popescu: are on the record stating something like "well these two idiots came in, one a complete nobody , the other a dork, but we figured... whatever, it's just a script, we've not spent that much money on it"
mircea_popescu: somewhat vaguely related : the nbc producers that decided to greenlight seinfeld, the largest grossing production in the history of nbc and the thing that even made sitcoms a thing
mircea_popescu: which it is. and yet... the discussion isn't whether it looks promising (in the terms of today)
mircea_popescu: decimation well if there weren't problems...
decimation: the broken-ness becomes a negative externality that is distributed randomly
mircea_popescu: where is the locklin one. basically his thesis was that "printed guns will never work because the barrel isn't sexy"
decimation: the problem is that with something like computing, it's "somewhat broken"
asciilifeform: (too 'cold' in the simulated annealing sense. i.e., not psychotic enough.)
mircea_popescu: and by too clean i mean the sort that doesn't bareback random whores because "who knows what may happen"
mircea_popescu: decimation this is a particular sort of methodological error strategists of the "too clean" variety make. the error is to imagine that what's in question is whether the new thing is promising (positive) rather than broken (negative). fact is any new thing that isn't broken will probably outperform any current thing simply because business is about growth.
assbot: Shockley diode - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
asciilifeform: 'Shockley was the only one to publicly acknowledge his donation to the sperm bank.' (pediwikia)
decimation: yeah he basically said "forget about the transistor, really complicated diodes are the future"
mircea_popescu: wasn't he the guy who overengineered a diode while neglecting transistors to the point nobody could afford it ?
asciilifeform: shockley did, if i recall, hit upon the idea of building a sperm bank to.. hand out own sperm
decimation: fortunately they had the sense to follow noyce into the middle of nowhere and start a new business
mircea_popescu: shockley is perhaps the best example of totally nutso master running his harem straight into a wall.
decimation: obviously if Mr. Noyce had stayed in Iowa he would have been an advanced farmer, not the founder of modern semiconductor business
assbot: Robert Noyce - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
decimation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Noyce "In the summer of 1940, at the age of 12, he built a boy-sized aircraft with his brother, which they used to fly from the roof of the Grinnell College stables. "
mircea_popescu: is this the chinese thing ?
assbot: Traitorous eight - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
asciilifeform: there we go.
nubbins` gets the vague sense that gribs could use a !translate plugin
asciilifeform 'east cost corporations' << had the distinct impression that most of the people here never had to walk the u.s. большая зона
mircea_popescu: but the environment doth not allow specific things.
mircea_popescu: and again, the idea that there's something wrong with the people involved is patent nonsense. kids come from the vilage to town and do better than kids born in town all the time.
decimation: most of them worked in big east coast corporations for several years first, true
mircea_popescu: people who have to come to b-a to start a successful operation don't need just the money, or even the money at all.
asciilifeform: decimation: philo farnsworth invented the raster scan while plowing a field. there's always a weirdo exception.
decimation: well, there's no doubt that they had to come to the city to meet the son of IBM founder to get money to start the operation