ben_vulpes: what, you guys can't read and walk at the same time?
ThickAsThieves: that way i can get off my ass and walk around the neighborhood
pete_dushenski: as well as the "blackstone audiobook anonymously translated" edition
ben_vulpes: i refuse to even use the backlit models.
pete_dushenski: the only "digital" books i read are audiobooks
ben_vulpes: amusingly, hardcover copies of the sultans are avail for $0.01, but not digitized.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: if you liked TAOFBG, read the author's (j. c. scott) other works. they all fit the theme.
ben_vulpes: oh shit asciilifeform your name alone reminds of of "the art of not being governed"
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: one of the most riotously fun works by any modern historian on any subject.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: ottoman empire << 'the sultans' (n. barber)
ben_vulpes: i enjoyed his stories of running egypt, so i think i'll pull that into the queue.
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: do you have any rec's on the ottoman empire?
pete_dushenski: as was dan carlin's hardcore history series on the khans
assbot: Amazon.com: Genghis Khan and the Making of the Modern World (9780609809648): Jack Weatherford: Books
pete_dushenski: http://www.amazon.com/Genghis-Khan-Making-Modern-World/dp/0609809644/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1408737025&sr=8-1&keywords=genghis+khan+modern+world << this was the chingis one
pete_dushenski: different one altgother
ben_vulpes: ooh ooh pete_dushenski what was the book you recently mentioned on zhghghzgzhggis kahn?
chetty: although, something on the ottoman empire might be wise atm
assbot: Amazon.com: The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, vol. 1-6 (Everyman's Library) (9780307700766): Edward Gibbon: Books
pete_dushenski: and for the rome bit, there's no other than edward gibbons' decline and fall of the roman empire
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: fooled by randomness, being the first, was also the least developed of taleb's trilogy
ben_vulpes: i want something on the fall of rome written ~1800 or earlier
ben_vulpes: i'm working through the berkshire hathaway letters and "fooled by randomness"
ben_vulpes: what's on the -assets reading list right now?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: They really are Buttcoins nao pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell foofingers like http://trilema.com/2013/they-really-are-buttcoins-nao/
pankkake: the ,
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: They really are Buttcoins nao pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell foofingers, like http://trilema.com/2013/they-really-are-buttcoins-nao/
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BingoBoingo: ;;google they really are buttcoins nao
jurov: what, mircea put another buttcoinlike challenge?
foofingers: Hi people. My is Daniel Marcus. I work together with asciilifeform. And I'm here to do some business with bitcoins. Thank you for having me!
jurov: iirc there was a bug in homebrew float parser in php
gribble: Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number.
gribble: Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number.
jurov: thestringpuller: how am i supposed to multiply what?
jurov: apparently mircea moved the decimal dot
ThickAsThieves: the market is mostly led by china and margin traders
ThickAsThieves: of which there is infinite supply of course
assbot: War of Life - Cellular automata to the death!
ThickAsThieves: mpoe is already trading like it's the 266 days
ThickAsThieves: it's neither
mike_c: this could be your revenge for the dec. diff bet :)
punkman: thestringpuller: wait, people are lining up to fuck this thing? http://www.massdigi.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/DSC_0585-001.jpg
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell pete_dushenski gotta play the game to win.
assbot: thezoepost
thestringpuller: http://thezoepost.wordpress.com/ << I don't even know how to interpet this.
assbot: Ramez Naam - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
mike_c: yes, i remember. hm. i am now envisioning a page that lists desired features with a tip jar and people can pay for shit they want done.
mike_c: thestringpuller: yeah, i was complaining that the actual tweet is mentioned in channel, but the actual log line is not.
thestringpuller: assbot announces them when linked...
thestringpuller: how are tweets not referenced in the log?
gribble: Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net', is identified as user 'thestringpuller', with GPG key id 0FF2943DA179E169, key fingerprint 6ACE36E786F39A4ADC4506DE0FF2943DA179E169, and bitcoin address None
usagi: Only a matter of time before someone applied the lessons of HFT to bitcoin.
mike_c: i guess the way to do it would be to use query parameters instead of hash tags..
mike_c: and as an aside, it is embarrassing for this channel that tweets are scraped and repeated from links but not references to the log!
mike_c: +1, i was surprised to see the addition.
usagi: You would think they could just pay it out of profits, at least that
usagi: And they still managed to screw it up.. unbelievable
usagi: Its the one thing I never really understood about mtgox.. they were making hundreds of million a year
usagi: A popular exchange makes so much money I have no idea why they would go fractoinal reserve, it just adds risk
usagi: "Proof-of-reserves for digital currency exchanges has been a sensitive issue in the community since the collapse of Mt Gox in February."
usagi: thanks but the kids are home, bbl
usagi: I say let em do whatever they want
usagi: Women having the right to go on the pill and become self employed, ahem, is a great thing. Really.
usagi: I sort of agree, but I am not sure I would want to go back to society the way it was 100 years ago either
usagi: The fact that this is never mentioned nor explored is more a testament to the reason why women generally didn't have any rights in the first place than anything else
chetty: yup thats why I say the whole rights thing is stupid, and femnazi even more so
usagi: But this would require some amount of money (which it is obvious the women being denied credit -- for example -- did not have)
usagi: A lot of this is really beside the point. We're ignoring the fact that women could have incorporated a company with a willing lawyer
usagi: Women had it pretty good back then. IMO of course.
chetty: my mother was a judge
usagi: I have a pretty good feeling that the general case of women being denied is because they would present a credit risk
usagi: Perhaps those in charge of the issuance of credit simply knew ahead of time what would happen once they started giving married women credit cards?
chetty: this history of all this stuff is still there, it just gets left out of the 'common' versions
chetty: much like blacks get left out of the american revolution ...
usagi: In 1783 they had a female president.
chetty: muddy the waters nicely
chetty: rewriting history is a popular occupation these days
usagi: One list says women couldn't study at institutions like harvard and yale until the 70s
usagi: I've been taking a look at a few internet lists of things women couldn't do in year x, y or z.. there is a lot of bs
chetty: maybe that was before they got so greedy
usagi: Credit card companies are private corporations. Why would they refuse to issue an unmarried woman a credit card?
chetty: there were a lot of inequities, but I still hate femnazi as practiced today
usagi: Dunno, I'm sure there was prejudice, but as they say, capital has a will of it's own, banks wouldn't refuse someone who had stable income
usagi: So when Fanny Hopkins was the bank manager of London & County Bank
assbot: Women's suffrage in Switzerland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
xmj: the last canton in switzerland was forced to introduce unversal suffrage/female voting rights in 1990.
usagi: Meh that's bs.. there's a lot of bs floating around about womens rightgs
chetty: before the 60s a woman couldnt even have her own credit, married or not
usagi: Where I work every year someone quits because they're having a child, and they never come back
usagi: another massive waste of time and resources
usagi: Women who stop working because they're having children don't usually go back to work
usagi: That's also why you are seeing lower wages. People don't NEED as much money to live anymore, since there are many more single people
usagi: By creating competition in the workforce between men and women, the middle class family unit (what you might think of as the backbone of the american workforce) was deemed uneconomical. Now you have to have two working parents to survive
pankkake: there's an interesting pattern though. Germany allows women to vote, Hitler gets elected
usagi: chetty; Womens rights as we know them today destroyed american society
chetty: <usagi> They won't necessarily be worse off you know. I mean married women. Single women will probably still be able to pay taxes and vote// are those supposed to be 'rights'?
usagi: They won't necessarily be worse off you know. I mean married women. Single women will probably still be able to pay taxes and vote
chetty: <usagi> Reversion to the mean... re: married women and rights, it's a deep and complex social issue/nah its easy, get rid of marriage, get the state out of it
usagi: The taxation unit of days gone by was the family. When society finally collapses we will revert to that sort of structure and married women will lose all rights includign the right to vote
usagi: Reversion to the mean... re: married women and rights, it's a deep and complex social issue
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thestringpuller: not directly but the coins that go into bitbet from me were acquired via coinbase ;)
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mircea_popescu: chetty well, they not we.
mircea_popescu: one of the larger bets.
BingoBoingo: Well X-Rob was talking about something. May just be the sort of situation where a person just has to get their hands dirty
atcbot: [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 1.66 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 645.58 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.07 TH/s
RagnarDanneskjol: I'm gonna try to give it another shot this weekend. Last time i wound up pulling my hair out, but issues were all related to unusually fast homebrewcoin i was using
RagnarDanneskjol: oh yea, right. still need the pool
RagnarDanneskjol: He did over the phone - again, I used him in the past, no probs, but everything that came up online looked bad
BingoBoingo: RagnarDanneskjol: Well since this inquiry was about getting a cheap pool and their sales pitch was for us to buy and ship them a metric fuckton of mining equiptment... Prolly just watch them until they collapse on their own
RagnarDanneskjol: Bingo - you got my message re ixnay on the livechains, yes?
RagnarDanneskjol: not exactly that easy once you get into the weeds of it, but doable
pete_dushenski: "So terrorism is over-rated. Chronic stress is under-rated. The collapse of Lehman Brothers is overrated. Fiscal irresponsibility is under-rated. Astronauts are over-rated. Nurses are under-rated. We are not rational enough to be exposed to the press."
gribble: The operation succeeded.
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell princessnell please to note: "Online news has an even worse impact. In a 2001 study two scholars in Canada showed that comprehension declines as the number of hyperlinks in a document increases."
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pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: mkay. so in th forest there lived this very horny, huge schlong bear. sort of like one eye pete of the beardom. << with all the petes littering b-a these days, i don't even know if i'm the one who gets to blush at this
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pete_dushenski: asciilifeform:jailer turned the entire building on a pivot - with hand crank. << whoa
pete_dushenski: and even within this temporal vortex there are married women with wisdom
mircea_popescu: and some other places and times, equally narrow to irrelevance.
mircea_popescu: outside of the very thin sliver of things that is north america 1980-2020ish.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski inasmuch as the married female has no rights and no recourse, pissing off her husband is pissing off the wrong guy. she quickly learns not to do that.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: like the old u.s. army ad, 'be an army of one.' << i remember these well, wondered if they were effective..
mircea_popescu: well no, the husband.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, the process through which girls become wives and us citizens usg informants. << and who precisely did the wives piss off? their fathers?
pete_dushenski: whoever it is has skillz the canadian armed farces can only dream of
asciilifeform: 'what is best in life? to crush your enemies, see them driven before you, hear the lamentations of their women.'
assbot: Wtf is this for an app add description!? Punish their women, I mean really? /hashtag/DragonvsGod?src=hash /hashtag/AppStore?src=hash /Kotaku http://t.co/Ut6mtZg016
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mircea_popescu: the mess hall being the principal argument pro-university in the classical period of universities too.
mircea_popescu: lol i find the best and most readily digested argument pro-slavery works out to "i say where we go eat. it takes all of thirty seconds. and if i say everyone gets lamb tikka masala, ordering takes thirty seconds too."
ben_vulpes: what would you call the thing that people agglomerate into in modern american culture in order to better thrive together than wilt under the radiation indidividually?
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> which is why you believe the burning man is good :) << never said that "burning man" was good
asciilifeform: if you admitted to reading a patent, and then lose infringement suit, plaintiff gets triple damages
peterl: I read unexpired patents all the time
decimation: in engineering school we had a patent lawyer speak about his profession. He said he had to explain to a jury the concept of imaginary numbers, using colored pieces of posterboard
decimation: "DEA acknowledges that not all of the designer drugs seized in the effort are listed on Schedule I. But the agency says prosecutors will rely on a federal law that allows these nonlisted compounds to be treated like a controlled substance if they are proven in court to be chemically or pharmacologically similar to a Schedule I drug." LoL as if a jury knows
decimation: as usual, usg is there to help http://cen.acs.org/articles/90/i35/US-Criminalizes-Designer-Drugs.html
peterl: gave me a great idea of a synthetic project, to optimize the synthesis, but I don't think my boss would like the target
decimation: peterl: not only mdma, but also lots of other synthetic drugs that haven't even been identified yet
peterl: no, a less traditional synthesis, from benzyl bromide, methylamine and acetaldehyde
peterl: and this is why the drug war will never stop, because you can make the stuff from stupidly common compounds
peterl: today I realized that in my lab I have ingredients to synthesize methamphetamine ...
peterl: mircea_popescu lab where countermeasure was very large h2so4 vat. // decimation: how is that going to help? melt your face? << The acid will absorb the borohydride and deactivate it, makes boric acid
decimation: apparently there's a group called Ju-air that maintains the thing, I'm sure for golden toliet prices they will also paint like hitler's plane http://www.ruudleeuw.com/dubendorf09.htm
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decimation: I thought the best part of that tom cruise movie about the 20 juli plot was the fully-painted and operational FW 200 Condor
decimation: the me-163?
asciilifeform: until (afaik) the '80s, soviet rockets flew on (asymmetric) dimethylhydrazine
assbot: C-Stoff - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
decimation: the nazis used hypergolics to 'operationalize' their rocket plane: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C-Stoff " there were numerous catastrophic explosions of the Messerschmitt Me 163 aircraft that employed this fuel system" not shit
mircea_popescu: maybe the idea was that if you're close enough you're burning anyway.
asciilifeform: 'the operator is confronted with the problem of coping with a metal-fluorine fire. For dealing with this situation, I have always recommended a good pair of running shoes.' << famous
decimation: here's an older review in a similar vein: http://www.fourmilab.ch/fourmilog/archives/2012-04/001367.html " in the quest for “exotic fuel” (which the author defines as “It's expensive, it's got boron in it, and it probably doesn't work.”), "
assbot: Reading List: The Green Flame (Fourmilog: None Dare Call It Reason)
mircea_popescu: which is why you believe the burning man is good :)
ben_vulpes: "sex positive" << one of the reasons i spent so much time with 'em
ben_vulpes: plenty of sluts circle the Man
asciilifeform: 'The smell of diborane is known to a few experimenters, but they cannot tell us what it is.'
asciilifeform: orc science quote of the day:
decimation: in other words: whatever some white man thought is racsis, he doesn't get a say
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=tribes | Tribes. One of the best games in existance. Despite subpar graphics, this game, created by Dynamix and Sierra, is very easily modded (not to mention pirated), ...
asciilifeform doesn't understand why words must be stretched until they snap. 'tribe' has a well-understood meaning
nubbins`: they're a tribe at band camp
ben_vulpes: if you're expected to provide succor in time of need and can lean on the tribe in turn in your own time of need?
ben_vulpes: what's a tribe in the first place?
ben_vulpes: the most interesting and network-worthy tend to eschew the actual burn in favor of the smaller regional events and their hometown community.
ben_vulpes: <nubbins`> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPoqNeR3_UA << i was rocking that this morning before the shop got rowdy
asciilifeform: 'google workers are clean-shaved and obedient. therefore everyone should be conscripted to work for google.'
decimation: I view it as proof of the costs of antinomianism
decimation: I suspect that the variance of the "mormon benefit" is lower, given that it hasn't had 1500 years to fracture
asciilifeform: (the usual favourite prescription of similar pontificators)
decimation: http://www.isegoria.net/2014/08/public-health-benefits-of-culture/ "one could conclude that a mass conversion to Mormonism would reduce social problems more effectively than all welfare spending, academic research, and public health initiatives in the last fifty years."
decimation: such a long way the british have fallen
decimation: http://www.isegoria.net/2014/08/read-them-the-riot-act/ "If the group failed to disperse within one hour, then anyone remaining gathered was guilty of a felony without benefit of clergy, punishable by death."
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: surprisingly, i understand the power of leverage and reduced friction in tandem.
assbot: IPS - Space Weather - Radio Fadeouts and Solar Flares
asciilifeform: jailer turned the entire building on a pivot - with hand crank.
ben_vulpes: i point out a) those ratings are for highway operation, b) those ratings are so that joe sixpack can haul his 12klb boat up a 30deg ramp c) that generally the operating envelope is entirely different
decimation: the d-layer is up around 60 km above the surface, if the x-rays ionized the air around your head you would have bigger problems
ben_vulpes: this is closely related to a conversation i had today in which someone tried to argue without proof that a toyota tundra with its 10klb rating could *never NEVER* pull the US orbiter
mircea_popescu: ironically, in engineering it usually is the best of thinkings.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i meant the same thing. "i have no idea! better make some thick factors of safety in there."
mircea_popescu: current guys are very tightly oppressed by budgets and there's this overwhelming delusion that "we know shit" making a lot of garbage numbers be accepted .
asciilifeform: the machines had to last.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they also paid considerably more for launches
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes no, actually, they just had much less data and better training, so they put slack in.
asciilifeform: the place where charge moves (in this case, electrons) to generate magnetic field
decimation: in the long run, the higher f-layers become ionized too, enabling longer-distance reliable communication on HF
decimation: the lower ionospheric d-layer becomes ionized which absorbs most lower-frequency HF signals. most line-of-sight vhf/uhf is unaffected
asciilifeform: van allen belt, incidentally, is what becomes the 'dynamo' for a nuke's emp burst.
decimation: The20YearIRCloud: that's not quite accurate
The20YearIRCloud: with all of the flares below X class ones, it just reduces signal range/strength with the benefit being an easier job skipping radio signals
decimation: asciilifeform: as mircea_popescu said the other night, the sea will be our loving mother long before space embraces humanity
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there's also a third, very annoying van allen belt (!) that pops up during flares.
mircea_popescu: decimation that's for down on the surface tho.
decimation: the worst effect of a solar flare is the massive plasma cloud that the sun farts when it happens. if it hits the earth just right, it sets up massive moving magnetic fields which generate large currents in long conductors
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform quite. and some people shouldn't be innocent of books, and MORE IMPORTANTLY of the written process of thinking.
mircea_popescu: upper atmosphere is constrained magnetically. disturb the field, it expan\ds/shrinks
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes atmosphere is mostly constrained by gravity, which makes the heat a major factor. if you heat it it expands.
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> solar flare ? atmosphere expands even 500kms. << see, this is why i read the logs obsessively.
mircea_popescu: i mean, i don't think i yet published an article without a typo or two in it, sure. but there's a difference.
mircea_popescu: it really bothers me when i see people who're supposedly detail oriented, engineers and whatnot.
mircea_popescu: "But I also know that by not adding my body to the count, I insure nothing will change. "
decimation: wonder how it would work on the magnetic pole
asciilifeform: (so long as the room is lit)
asciilifeform: just sits there and turns.
decimation: I suspect they charge golden toilet prices though
mircea_popescu: generally the masses in the democracy tend to get it nice and hard. which seems fair, if only in a very cold, distant, macro sense.
decimation: well, like Mr. church pointed out earlier, most folk who took it hard were the lowly engineers and techs who were just trying to get by
mircea_popescu: what do you mean making some bases which you then close is on the whole a net negative, putting the place worse off than it would have been had you minded your own business!
mircea_popescu: but no, because nobel-prize-whatshisface said that government spending is beneficial for the economy.
mircea_popescu: ll of the young families who lost their homes or street after street of boarded up houses abandoned to the wealthy loan companies who received government funds to shore up their windfall. Again, I lost my retirement.
mircea_popescu: Instead I got busy working 100-hour workweeks. Then came the L.A. depression of the early 1990s. Our leaders decided that they didnt need the all of those extra Air Force bases they had in Southern California, so they were closed; just like that. The result was economic devastation in the region that rivaled the widely publicized Texas S&L fiasco. However, because the government caused it, no one gave a shit about a
asciilifeform: or rather, in same directio