mircea_popescu: anon rando tortard's both very abundant and systematically inconsequential, dunno how to best put this... there's nine million cul-de-sac suburban teenager cliques "taking over the world" during that summer before end of schooling and first full time job. it doesn't DO anything.
mircea_popescu: lol dorion, nice pile of lulz you got there. diana_coman has the details, but in very general : gotta take it easier, man. it's just... it's the internet, you know ?
mircea_popescu: but, on the good news score : this'll prolly result in the publishing of all sort and manner of historical material, trilema's gonna get red hot in november.
mircea_popescu: the formative experience of humanity, i'd say.
mircea_popescu: it's quite a pleasure to watch otherwise powerful systems bogged down for hours at a time, diligently going through overpoweringly long lists of tasks in their usual, bulldozer-like systematic manner, while one twiddles his thumbs and grins.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-07 07:29:35 mircea_popescu: because i'm thinking... i should probably just import all antique logs, have them in one place finally.
mircea_popescu: in other news, an' in preparation for http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-07#1950131 / part and parcel of my being an engineer, i'm currently restructuring my entire personal archive, which consists of moving / hashing / decrypting / unpacking various 10gb - 100gb files.
mircea_popescu: x needs it like empire paris needed the postwar moroccans & contemporary french white trash.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-06 22:32:10 mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-06#1949990 << the thing here is, minigame will need to use a os. this means a very simple binary choice : either it uses something made by us, or not. the criteria for the former is that someone's in charge ; the criteria for the latter is that it's convenient.
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-06#1950016 <-- the big risk with the latter choice is that "they" (whoever owns ubuntu or w/e nowadays) will happily steer their os towards breaking the unix standard base (ls, cp, etc. system calls, ...) in the future. systemd lies on that line at least
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-06 23:17:53 BingoBoingo: trinque: Provided I get it running this time I'll at a minimum try to get up to XFCE. I'll make and rate a BingoCuntooExperimenal key for the purpose of something.
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-06#1950052 <-- xfce is prolly a rabbit hole, afaik they pull in gtk3 nowadays... and even gtk2 might be difficult to link statically.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-06 23:46:53 trinque: yeah, I'd be happy to talk to both fellas about the thing.
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-06#1950067 <-- I'd really like to contribute to that, the only reason I didn't do it thus far being that there was always a pile of other shit to do
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-21 06:15:42 mp_en_viaje: the second, which is the hanging matter, is that i meanwhile specced a new functioning of ratings and voicing, the to-spec execution of which being the very bedrock upon which deedbot payments even work. come april or whatever, i'm not about to do the old style lordship ratings,
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-06 12:37:54 mircea_popescu: gawd, spyked, two months of irc bots till the end of the year ? srsly ?
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-06#1949938 <-- can't say yet whether that'd take 1.5 or 3 months, but... it was my understanding that http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-21#1947274 is a pretty important item. either way, as I've said before, that plan ain't set in stone, any suggestions/guidance on priorities is more than welcome. I [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-23#
lobbes: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-07#1950221 << I don't mind setting out to do so, but I also don't want to delay the bot's deployment (I have found that I am quite slow and inexperienced still). Would you want this patch before deployment?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-07 22:50:54 mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-07#1950200 << i guess i'm just going to write a converter ; which begs the question, how are we to sync our log histories here ?
ericbot: Logged on 2019-11-08 02:45:51 mircea_popescu: i guess i didn't make myself very clear. the ~displayer~, python-based as opposed to apache based, has no future.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-07 22:09:38 lobbes: on the subject of "blog-logger" in general, I do see merits. For e.g., as a matter of course the issue of echoing log lines will need to be resolved. If that resolution ends up leveraging the server-side selection, then this opens the door to the quoting articles ~in general~ into IRC
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-07 22:02:48 lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-11-07#1950130 << I do not. There exist both the irssi2tmsr and znc2tmsr patches to the stanlogger. In said logger, both of them convert logs to a format that is then fed to the postgres database. Conceivable to just make something similar, though, that would feed them into a mysql database
mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-07#1950200 << i guess i'm just going to write a converter ; which begs the question, how are we to sync our log histories here ?
mircea_popescu: practical candidates being pretty much python or perl, there's no problem with python
mircea_popescu: the bot itself, the part that goes into channels and so on, that'll have to be something other than apache.
mircea_popescu: i guess i didn't make myself very clear. the ~displayer~, python-based as opposed to apache based, has no future.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-11-07 10:03:46 mircea_popescu: i don't foresee any future for the current python-powered item.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-07 21:31:48 lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-11-07#1950107 << which relates to this; the above patched bot is still python-powered. (Granted, the flask bits have been removed, along with dependencies on things like the "Requests" library, etc.)
mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-07#1950196 << it's supposed to be ; the only alternative for pull-style interaction would be... bash, i guess ?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-07 21:31:42 lobbes: just to remind, it was decided that the bot itself would be on the stan logbot tree. And indeed, that is what the current mp-wp-bot.kv.vpatch rests on right now
ericbot: Logged on 2019-11-07 09:55:07 mircea_popescu: lobbes, the only problem is that e= is unpopulated. i'm currently using
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-07 21:31:39 lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-11-07#1950085 << I guess what I'm trying to ask is do you want me to release a separate mp-wp patch for the xmlrpc.php fixes before we deploy the bot?
lobbes: another merit being redundancy; if you run a blog, you can run a log.
lobbes: on the subject of "blog-logger" in general, I do see merits. For e.g., as a matter of course the issue of echoing log lines will need to be resolved. If that resolution ends up leveraging the server-side selection, then this opens the door to the quoting articles ~in general~ into IRC
lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-11-07#1950130 << I do not. There exist both the irssi2tmsr and znc2tmsr patches to the stanlogger. In said logger, both of them convert logs to a format that is then fed to the postgres database. Conceivable to just make something similar, though, that would feed them into a mysql database
ericbot: Logged on 2019-11-07 10:03:46 mircea_popescu: i don't foresee any future for the current python-powered item.
lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-11-07#1950107 << which relates to this; the above patched bot is still python-powered. (Granted, the flask bits have been removed, along with dependencies on things like the "Requests" library, etc.)
lobbes: just to remind, it was decided that the bot itself would be on the stan logbot tree. And indeed, that is what the current mp-wp-bot.kv.vpatch rests on right now
ericbot: Logged on 2019-11-07 09:55:07 mircea_popescu: lobbes, the only problem is that e= is unpopulated. i'm currently using
lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-11-07#1950085 << I guess what I'm trying to ask is do you want me to release a separate mp-wp patch for the xmlrpc.php fixes before we deploy the bot?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-06 12:43:55 hanbot: mircea_popescu i browse, but haven't strictly "kept up". i can spend a day or two getting there tho', what's up?
hanbot: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-06#1949944 < this is gonna take me an extra 24-48h; the reading's worthwhile and denser than i imagined. after which i'll publish my accumulating notes. 'til then, diana_coman graciously plonked her logger in #trilema-hanbot, and all are welcome.
BingoBoingo: Pacific coast has Lima, Santiago, and other second and their tier targets. Asian side of Pacific I'm not particularly interested, prioritizing on the level of western european shitholes that don't speak Spanish.
BingoBoingo: ty, In that case I'll move Belgrade up with the first round of Atlantic Rim targets.
BingoBoingo: Serbia, Moldavia, Belarus seem like servicable alt-Uruguays, but I'm not really looking for another Uruguay.
mircea_popescu: republic of moldavia, serbia etc are in the 500 zone
mircea_popescu: no dude, nobody in yurp makes 500 lol. it's 1k on the low end (ro, pl, cz, etc) to 4-5k on the high end. france makes like 3k
BingoBoingo: This has since changed with the pesofall
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: At least for the first half of 2019 their very flat wages normalized into dollars were above much of eastern Europe. 20,000 pesos was 600 USD to 700 USD versus the holy European 500 USD
BingoBoingo: I think I've convinced a few people that "stability" is why they make more than Europeans while being poorer since... WTF can they buy?
BingoBoingo: The local commie pick for next econ minister if they win is promising "to continue increasing Uruguay's economic stability" as though stability is not the road to death and bad fruit
mircea_popescu: between the store-supplied wench running the ding machine and the home-brought wenches putting stuff on / taking it off the conveyorbelt, i daresay i run the world's most efficient supermarket operation.
mircea_popescu: really the supermarket was invented for men with paris of girls, it's the only way that shit works right.
mircea_popescu: but, i must say, two-girl shopping trips are a delight. i just watch and nod while the people of walmart look from my switch to my bitch an' from my foods to my whores.
mircea_popescu: needed three carts and two bitchez to handle it all, ended up stuffing the car with smoked salmon by the pound &cetera
BingoBoingo: Just returned from getting groceries and a VGA to HDMI cable to get hardware specs outta the servers for prospective buyers
mircea_popescu: (spoiler : just another fat dude talking into the camwhore's instrument, like every other esltarded "comedian" / "content producer" etc)
mircea_popescu: meanwile in other lulz, "Sh Dr Haitham al-Haddad summarises his fatwa on Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies."
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, well, vieux montmartre, not the current sadness.
BingoBoingo: http://trilema.com/2013/why-you-cant-invest-with-cryptostocks/ or http://trilema.com/2013/and-another-one-bites-the-dust-picostocks/ http://trilema.com/2016/fred-wilson-is-an-idiot-and-other-things/ http://trilema.com/2013/the-dork-of-the-month-award/ Candidates that clicked for the article you wanted yesterday
lobbesbot: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: !Qlater tell trinque http://bingology.net/2019/pizarro-liquidation-auctions-proposal/#comment-1505 << Proposal for the auction of your hardware.
hanbot considers what to put on 12.5hr playlist to accompany the article-scroll
mircea_popescu: incidentally, when i do that, we're looking at a solid eight years aka 3k articles or so. it'll be an insane log day. i intend to publish them 15s apart or something.
mircea_popescu: and if i do that, i'd better do it before i publish later logs on trilema, so the guids aren't in three waters.
mircea_popescu: because i'm thinking... i should probably just import all antique logs, have them in one place finally.
diana_coman: I'll go and talk to those guys to see if I can get a server with them.
mircea_popescu: it'll prolly come out as a much greater addition to the world than the remainder of this discussion.
mircea_popescu: there he sat, the fuckhead, FOR YEARS, "oh, one day will mp-wp, hurr durr". one day, rite. then, when push came to shove, DID NOT KNOW what didn't know. because hadn't done. because etcetera.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: sigh; you'd be surprised perhaps but I doubt it's worth the time to describe in much more detail.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, what fucking ideals ever demand the breakage of a unusable cvasi-blog ?
mircea_popescu: idealism is one thing. the worship of "shit we know an' are used to" is not idealism. nor is it any kind of conservatism, it's crypto-stupidity ; the same sense of crypto contemplated in 1990s "crypto-communism". cryptic, hermetically sealed in the shit in one's head, outside of the reach of thought.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: that's precisely it, the "who or if uses" does not even enter into consideration there; it's built "because it should be so according to the ideals"
ossabot: (asciilifeform) 2019-10-28 asciilifeform: if mp wants to throw out the people who are his hands, like used candy wrappers, it's b/w him and odin, i have no power to persuade him of anyffin. but it remains the case that i'm fully equipped to provide machine service to my l1 folx who want it. and w/ very short turnaround. all service req's are to be gpg'd to asciilifeform, and posted here. will use deedbot for so long as able, then will have to make other ar
ossabot: (ossasepia) 2019-09-10 diana_coman: structure of thought first and foremost; and note that idealism is precisely the inability to see (notice+comprehend) much of the fabric of reality.
mircea_popescu: the specialisation of expensive yet worthless, bloody hell.
mircea_popescu: can you ~fucking belive~ that utterly moronic "scientist" NOT ONLY was too fucking special in his shit-for-brains mind to actually use working solutions "over all these years", but actually vomited an entire EXTRA pile of expensive yet worthless dependencies into our process ?
diana_coman: looking forward to the demo.
diana_coman: I still have to figure that out exactly what it does, how it works and so on; I'll have to look into it then.
mircea_popescu: i don't foresee any future for the current python-powered item.
mircea_popescu: why not just switch to the mp-wp patch ?
diana_coman: I am maintaining the logger and I intend to maintain it but any further development can happen only when I get some pages finally up to speed to help as I really don't have currently ~any time left to sink in that.
mircea_popescu: well, they were mentioned in the sense spyked apparently wants to spend the remainder of the year fucking with them.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: re-reading the discussion yesterday it occured to me that the loggers & irc weren't mentioned at all
diana_coman: I might take you on the offer there for my blog if I don't manage to scare up something locally; I have currently some guys next door that I want to talk to, they seem to be at least talkable-tio
mircea_popescu: younghands/yourblog etc can also go there if you wish.
mircea_popescu: i intend to put bimboclub, thewhet, eulorawebsite etc on the trilema backup server lobbes is comissioning.
mircea_popescu: in which case, should get a 8+ core amd of some kind, 32+gb and a coupla disks, raidless ok, and then review for upgrade in what, a few months ?
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: we will also need some lightweight place to set up the website
diana_coman: just the prod needs to be on dc
diana_coman: BingoBoingo: I had the "stale page" thing on your blog ~10 times and only now (after letting it be for a while funnily enough) it went through
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: review as in finally being able to actually benchmark the server and get some concrete idea as to what it needs ; as a result it might be a new machine, yes.
mircea_popescu: lobbes, the only problem is that e= is unpopulated. i'm currently using
diana_coman: I should mention that we'll possibly need to review this once we do the release (ie dev server goes into production with the smg communications protocol and hopefully decrufted of most shit otherwise)
diana_coman: re use, the heaviest part is db queries really.
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-06#1949915 - preference is for AMD arch as easiest & more familiar to deploy on & work with; that being said, if no AMD available, will go with Intel; for concrete specs, the current server is rather undemanding and it ran fine on fx-8350 eg something like this should work absolutely fine.
lobbes: the 'pingback linkback' selector is still suffering from the strip-spaces bug whaack found in the xmlrpc.php, but as that is outside of the scope of the logotron tree I figure that can wait for another day and this bot can be put to bed.
lobbes: mircea_popescu: before I commit this fix to a patch, do the excerpts on these comments look saner to you as well? http://blog.ericbenevides.com/2019/11/generic-pingback-target/#comment-134
mircea_popescu: the original trb work suffered from a massive aglomeration of -ev workforce.
mircea_popescu: not that i blame the pm, there wasn't one. but the fundamental reason why "adding more manpower to a late project only makes it later" is that lots and lots of "manpower" is actually -ev.
mircea_popescu: i expect the principal problem of trb attempt was horrid management.
trinque: the main problem with such a project is how large it is. there were several folks on just trb, for a bit anyway.
mircea_popescu: suppose you talk to both fellas here about the thing, i wanna follow along
trinque: yeah, I'd be happy to talk to both fellas about the thing.
mircea_popescu: trinque, suppose spyked's game, and what you have to do is run the two fellows + whatever we can meaningfully accrete through the tmsr-ization of cuntoo.
lobbes: However, after that I wouldn't mind the idea of 'apprenticing' under trinque on cuntoo related things. I could use the education to be honest, and I know he needs hands
lobbes is aiming to get the mp-wp bot fix out by tonight. Then needs to get the auctionbot in better shape.
mircea_popescu: anyways, eventually we'll get a troop out of new kids ready and able to actually do useful & meaningful shit in computer science, and whatever, the failure of one particular generation won't look that much more remarkable than the string it's part of.
trinque: i.e. the *source* vpatches will actually be human-sized
trinque: mircea_popescu: nor I, certainly not what I'm doing. these distros are just... quite large
BingoBoingo: trinque: Provided I get it running this time I'll at a minimum try to get up to XFCE. I'll make and rate a BingoCuntooExperimenal key for the purpose of something.
mircea_popescu: ie, contemplated os ownership is a matter of pure committment. what the world is looking for, today as in the days of the venerable bede, and then as the first day, is people. the sort who commit.
trinque: BingoBoingo: I'd be pretty stoked if somebody found the hole for new ebuilds and cut a vpatch of some useful items
mircea_popescu: the client ? ideally it'll be everything ; but in practice we'll take what we get.
BingoBoingo: trinque: If I do get a Cuntoo running this weekend, you can expect me to submit Cuntoo-ified versions of my desktop work tools at the speed I port them. Everything I depend on seems to have already been ported to musl based linux distributions. I can't promise doing this fast, but it can be something that would help make a noob-cuntoo image down the line.
trinque: yeah, it depends on whether you want the item to be a technical exemplar or an outreach mechanism, or something else
mircea_popescu: indeed why bother make it anything in particular, the market standards are so low... runescape runs in a java environment that crashes 3 times an hour. steam is fucked beyond your wildest dreams. nothing works in gaming, it's a joke, there's no competition in any sense.
mircea_popescu: now as to the client, that's a larger ball of yarn. if i have no serious static goal to contemplate, ima nix decrufting effort, because why bother make it static.
mircea_popescu: the server i'm not so desperately concerned about, because that gets baked once and is good for half a decade or more. diana_coman reported she has a running item, so that's... okay.
trinque: but I'm sure you mean to standardize the client too
mircea_popescu: trinque, userland, as for client ? or as for server ? these are distinct concerns for s.mg
trinque: these, I'd think, would run in a very simple userland
trinque: then I apologize for that part.
mircea_popescu: dun get me the wrong way, i'm not twelve.
trinque: and you have fewer men than you'd like, and I'm not going to pretend to be 20, and then cry when I fail at it. that's why I said I'm looking at kernel + busybox for my own stack. even it isn't human-sized, but it's about two orders of magnitude less twine and shit than "standard linux distro"
mircea_popescu: paying for the sins of historical tolerance-driven complacency, without a foundation to foment the environment there's no people to fill the gaps, etcetera.
mircea_popescu: then again, without an isp our efforts are just as unsustainable on the other end of the scale, i'm not discovering some sorta novelty here.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, the os portion remains a major hole in the whole architecture, because w/o os ownership pretty much all our efforts are unsustainable.
BingoBoingo: This weekend I plan to set aside a solid block of time to give Cuntoo a fair try, but I am not in any position to claim ownership over anything like an OS. I suspect I'll be more successful than the last time I tried for having unloaded a huge ball of insanity outta my head in the interim.
mircea_popescu: there's still zero interest in whatever flavour of the day bullshit, "liferaft" or w/e halfassery is to be called this week, "software as is" whatevers.
mircea_popescu: which is actually what i'll do, i don't perceive the value of waiting on products while people get their shit in order.
mircea_popescu: if you don't want to do so, my options are either to try and promote someone else, or else drop the whole pretense and simply use the latest whatever the fuck it is.
mircea_popescu: since you're the ~only one here in a position to claim ownership of something like an os, i want to know if you want to do so.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-06#1949990 << the thing here is, minigame will need to use a os. this means a very simple binary choice : either it uses something made by us, or not. the criteria for the former is that someone's in charge ; the criteria for the latter is that it's convenient.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-06 21:00:07 billymg: at the moment i don't have the necessary time to be fully involved so for now i'm just happy to see diana_coman and her pages chipping away at it. but i'm very much looking forward to getting back into it once i've successfully jumped the fence
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-06 21:00:07 billymg: at the moment i don't have the necessary time to be fully involved so for now i'm just happy to see diana_coman and her pages chipping away at it. but i'm very much looking forward to getting back into it once i've successfully jumped the fence
BingoBoingo: The local market to buy that one is deeper for the branding than the market is for the supermicros despite the supermicros being better servers
BingoBoingo: For the value of the dell badge, I will however make an earnest effort o sell the mod6/TBF server in the local market as a sorta prop that can go into a sufficiently deep wifi rack.
BingoBoingo: The reason to place myself as buyer of last resort is to pre-empt later objections that X item located at the ass end of the world has a concrete value. If it did the objector had the chance to bid.
BingoBoingo: trinque: I can go really low, see how little I'm valuing the switches at http://bingology.net/2019/pizarro-liquidation-auctions-proposal/
BingoBoingo: When I walk later I'll weigh what I'll stake of my own coin as the buyer of last resort on it.
BingoBoingo: Your chassis is a bit heavier and deeper than the dulap machines, but it also has the guts of two machines inside.
BingoBoingo: If you would like, I can auction your chassis on the same basis I'm auctioning the Pizarro servers.
BingoBoingo: trinque: When alf was here we put one in each hemisphere. It seems you did buy two, but the notes from the period the transaction happened are a clusterfuck.
trinque: BingoBoingo: as for liquidating my stuff, I wouldn't mind getting a FG or two out of the deal if it can be swung
trinque: and if anyone considers the current cuntoo too low-level to be useful, they're not going to feel much differently about classical gentoo. the barriers to entry are the same in both cases.
trinque: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-06#1949758 << somebody's going to have to tell me what they think is not "done" about the current item
trinque: mod6: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-31#1949000 << wallet has been up, and there are uses of it in the logs even...
billymg: at the moment i don't have the necessary time to be fully involved so for now i'm just happy to see diana_coman and her pages chipping away at it. but i'm very much looking forward to getting back into it once i've successfully jumped the fence
billymg: i'm also optimistic about the additional attention mp-wp seems to be getting over at #ossasepia - jfw has several patches in his queue already http://fixpoint.welshcomputing.com/manifest
billymg: i'm very much liking the testing framework and am glad i was encouraged to set that up. i now definitely want to finish writing the tests before working on any additional features/trimming
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-06 12:39:33 mircea_popescu: billymg, what's the mp-wp story, did i miss some updates ?
billymg: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-06#1949939 << nothing major, a minor bug was discovered by several mp-wp users. once it was determined that it was the result of the latest patch i was able to zero in on the offending change and issue a fix plus a test http://billymg.com/2019/11/bug-fix-to-preserve-encoded-html-characters-in-post-body-between-edits/
BingoBoingo: I've made it clear to the lawyers I rather don't expect they are solvent enough to collect anything when I win a suit. I'm more inclined to pass a bulletproof fraud denuncia to the Fiscalia and let them sort it out.
mircea_popescu: there's some definite value in making it uncomfortably unpleasant for idiots to continue being idiotic, that's for sure.
mircea_popescu: so then good for you.
BingoBoingo: *met with. They've apparently spent much. I've spent little. The outcome is not yet clear, but the outcome space is very narrow with clear forked paths. None of these paths presents a danger to my continued presence in Uruguay if that's what the future wants me to do.
BingoBoingo: The mircea_popescu method works far better than what I could have done on my own. Thank you.
BingoBoingo: Proposed Pizarro auctions will be published in a few hours with the aim of firing off auction opening commands Friday. Auction opening prices will be done with the reserve as the coin I, personally, am willing to pay for ownership of the auctioned items and lots of items.
BingoBoingo: DC lists, other opportunities to apprentice myself into a career, etc
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'm working on a plan for #agriculturalsupremacy as a castle, but its still too raw to present as a default option on the level of what diana_coman and hanbot can offer.
diana_coman: cool; I'll get around to pop ossabot into #hanbot too then
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, you mean the blog, bimbo.club ? nicoleci runs that
mircea_popescu: ima just change the current "Nov 04 09:50:24 -ChanServ- [#trilema] To speak here you must be voiced by one of the lords. Talk to asciilifeform , BingoBoingo , diana_coman , hanbot or trinque about it." to a "see #ossasepia or #hanbot" and call it good
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, not that she shouldn' t be in there or anything ; but there's #hanbot, might as well make two of these seeing how yours seems to work
diana_coman: I'd be very happy to have hanbot there for sure
mircea_popescu: get there.
hanbot: mircea_popescu i browse, but haven't strictly "kept up". i can spend a day or two getting there tho', what's up?
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, rather, im thinking a backup #o might be a good idea.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: I'm still here if there's some q re #o you want me to answer
mircea_popescu: an' that leaves of the human hands ave1 an' mocky thoroughly unaccounted for.
mircea_popescu: billymg, what's the mp-wp story, did i miss some updates ?
mircea_popescu: lessee what spyked's doing
mircea_popescu: so concretely, lobbes is supposed to deliver that botthing soonish ; you're doing the above, bvt is beating rng into the kernel, BingoBoingo is getting himself out of the 2nd failed reboot of isp
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-29 09:46:27 mp_en_viaje: with diana_coman as to the future strategy of s.mg (which normally'd belong in eulora, i suppose, but honestly might as well happen here, not like there's any traffic jam or anything) ; and of course with diana_coman hanbot trinque BingoBoingo lobbes spyked bvt ave1 as to what exactly we still want and we can in fact support going forward.
mircea_popescu: seeing how http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-29#1948636 dun seem to be happening, i'm guessing we'll just skip the pretense.
mircea_popescu: never, ye hear me people of the future, NEVER take the cows for people. athena made them cows for a reason.
mircea_popescu: motherfucking morons.
mircea_popescu spits once more on the fresh grave of "engineers" for good measure
mircea_popescu: aite then.
mircea_popescu: aite. there'll be a brief excursion in there to get the prod server back up, but yes.
diana_coman: then re moving cs to static build & gnat
diana_coman: first I'll do now the estimates re ditching cs from server (dev)
mircea_popescu: so that's pretty much it, then. anything left out ?
mircea_popescu: so im guessing we'll be bringing that up these days.
mircea_popescu: aite, well, not like there's any games one can play (i fucking looked, i'm back to playing antique 2000 era stuff, steam's dead, kongregate's dead, everything's fucking dead. half the links on mmorpg.com lead to dead / domain for sale / nonsense items, the other half to steam crap, it's just... gaming's fucking dead, everyone just clucks on derpy facebook fake traffic numbers generators, as fucking if 5k reloads/second
mircea_popescu: it's not, in other worse, a case of "wait just this short interval, will do new release" etc
diana_coman: (the dev server can run but won't do anything for current client)
mircea_popescu: but in principle, there's no good dev-side reason to delay.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: the production server has been running before and it can run again as it is; the issue there is really the one concerning access to the code if we just put it ~anywhere.
mircea_popescu: is the stuff in a shape you want running publicly as we stand ?
mircea_popescu: getting a coupla boxes somewhere in the sense of amateurship so dear to the previously tolerated morons is the least of our troubles.
mircea_popescu: now as to 4 : i'd obviously like the server back up as soon as possibru.
mircea_popescu: there's also eg http://thetarpit.org/2019/vpl-v-patch-syncing-bug-fix isall this synced ?
diana_coman: I still had to dive into CS's "shaders" and so at least I know better what those are and how they come into play but that can be written up as it is and taken from there
diana_coman: those two were most snagging from not-directly-eulora; the rest is mainly the complexity with the graphics & cs
mircea_popescu: aite. we shall talk again about move later this week then.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: depends on what you mean by "vtron" ; there is http://ossasepia.com/2018/11/13/v-with-vtools-keccak-hashes-and-its-own-tree/
diana_coman: at any rate, my current understanding for S.MG is that it will proceed with what there is and as such the bulk of work stems mainly from the graphics & ironing out the smg comms + new client (plenty there to do but at least I know what I'm looking at)
mircea_popescu: or the usual byproduct of the undisturbed existence of "engineer" cunts, ie, a pile of cvasi-working shitballs ?
mircea_popescu: for that matter, is there even an actually working vtron ?
diana_coman: now if someone has the proof I'm being an idiot on this, please step forwards and hit me with it, I'll be very glad.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: not as far as I know; it was always *not done* but always popping up in people's memory as "working"; except every time I wanted to *move* a file rather than have it del/add, it turned out that ...no.
mircea_popescu: next item, moving files in v ?! WHAT THE FUCK phf fixed this as the only thing he did in like 3 years.
diana_coman: tbh this particular bit with the keys was/is the *main* itchy thing because it feels ridiculous really; I'm doing "encryption" there every which way and then the keys are plain text; but wtf.
mircea_popescu: i'm too lazy to search right now for the article where some power ranger shiothead was "offering to reimplement mpex"
diana_coman: there is that sadness too
diana_coman: my thought was that if *that* was done, the above bootstrapping thing would have ended up getting more attention and thus possibly moving on as well; but this is why I said possibly outside S.MG scope
mircea_popescu: YEARS they've been at it, and they have earned all this respect with their useful anal work.
mircea_popescu: with their ass.
mircea_popescu: there's not a magic third way.
mircea_popescu: look, practically : either we ask the user to remember a password, or else we ask the user to secure a token/
diana_coman: it can but the client key itself ?
mircea_popescu: why can't it just use the client key ?
mircea_popescu: thus therefore, keys.txt
mircea_popescu: the way this is going is that serious player will have dedicated box for eurlora anyways. there's little diff between disk and ram for as long as one uses dedicated box.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-01-13 09:29:50 mircea_popescu: ad interim the draft is, that the client stores all the keys (rsa, serpent, whatever) one per line, the rsa ones in republican format, the rest unspecified as of yet, in a file called keys.tmsr encrypted by the rsa key of the client.
mircea_popescu: don't bother, i remember.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: we have eucrypt that generates the rsa keys and serpent and all that client and server need; we however do not have (and it was supposedly in discussion/waiting/etc) a clear way to store them securely; let me dig log ref
diana_coman: the moving files in V
diana_coman: the bootstraping rsa keys
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: it might be useful to go through the list of things perhaps
mircea_popescu: aite so then moving on from 1
mircea_popescu: so, basically, the way this is going is, server on protocuntoo for now and cuntoo in the future ; and ~demo~ client on ubuntu/whateverthefuck, dynamic hell and let the community make whatever it wants.
diana_coman: neither.
mircea_popescu: wait, neither cuntoo has x ?