BingoBoingo: bats_cd03: Any thoughts on how the USG encounter I had, you're closest we have to an expert that I know of
mircea_popescu: you don't create new wealth by creating new obligations or else a law that'd enact the obligation of pigs to fly would make us all rich.
decimation: “But I think we need to think critically about why we keep placing the responsibility for preventing sexual assault on young women.”
bats_cd03: work on generating 100 btc in wealth first, mate. then go for 10.000.
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 you know, three years ago half of all btc trade happened on otc. 90% ish of the rest was on mtgox.
mircea_popescu: i am blazing new ground here with the very public display of contracts, as for instance seen earlier
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 it's an otc market. you don't get to know anything the participants don't choose to share.
asciilifeform: BlueMeanie4: how many contracts for the purchase of, e.g, gallium, were written today?
BlueMeanie4: youre loling and were there any contracts written today?
BlueMeanie4: as in- determine them
BlueMeanie4: what is needed is a way to quickly INTERROGATE the contracts
mircea_popescu: it's so fuckng biased we have a wot to deal with the bias hierarchy
BlueMeanie4: so there is ZERO sense of non-bias in your system
BlueMeanie4: the cp?
mircea_popescu: so fifty people want to accept the same contract, and mp says yes and the cp picks mp because hey, he'd rather have mp's cp risk.
BingoBoingo: BlueMeanie4: Don't worry too much about this distinct IRC phenomenon where the channel carries on as many simultaneous conversations as the participants allow.
mircea_popescu: looky here : because wot users are identified, and their reputation forms a market hierarchy
BingoBoingo: BlueMeanie4: I'm just curious because my Mac SE/30 was useful until rather recently running a decently modern Unix until physical failure.
BlueMeanie4: what would happen if one party had the unique ability to either take or leave EVERY contract that was submitted globally?
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 you'll have to at least build a theoretical model showing how this attack'd work. kinda how it's done.
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BingoBoingo: BlueMeanie4> i dont know << When's the last time you used your Apple II for a modern task?
asciilifeform digs in archive for the little story about the wall street 'hft' folks who omit all (!) crypto because 'speed.'
BlueMeanie4: i already mentioned it, you can bias the markets by exploiting time responses
mircea_popescu: so then why are you talking about it lol
BingoBoingo: Ah, Imma Mac SE/30 kind of person. There are "now" slow machines, yes
nubbins`: what's the trilema article about how irc works
BlueMeanie4: you better believe if any serious traffic were to happen on this system they would exploit the peculiarities of IRC
BingoBoingo: I know what the good is worth and I bid up to what I am willing to pay.
BlueMeanie4: so the problem is in these sorts of systems is people will push the time limits as far as they will go every time
BlueMeanie4: in the last few minutes
BlueMeanie4: and when do 95% of the bids come in on an auction?
nubbins`: have in the past, yep
mircea_popescu: you'll have to sit down and confront the twinheaded fact that a) before you can improve on something you have to gain good familiariy with it and b) that the temptation to just make as a cheap substitute for understanding is sinful.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what fascinates me is how many people whine about 'slow' without saying precisely why they want 'fast', and while remaining entirely innocent of basic kindergarten-level gotchas like 'lamport's clock'
BingoBoingo: A private assignment of anything should never have the wires be the limiting factor in its speed of execution, other things will slow it first.
nubbins`: there's a dick surgery song about this very thing
BlueMeanie4: proof is in the pudding
BingoBoingo: If speed were the greatest virtue public transportation would not be a bus network, but coin operated people howitzers on every street corner
BlueMeanie4: sure, and this isnt a problem unless youre doing something where people are competing to be the first
nubbins`: thought i hit a roadblock with the poster color separations, wife suggested a solution that's even better than what i'd originally planned
BlueMeanie4: the problem with using IRC is that you cant have high speed contract resolutoin
BingoBoingo: BlueMeanie4: A disctinct advantage of IRC is its robustness, DDOS'ing even aggressively at best interupts parts or the network rather than killing it.
mircea_popescu: now whether it's irc or a website or anywhere else should come down to a technical discussion
mircea_popescu: somewhere they'll fuck around.
BlueMeanie4: you apparently think the whole world has all day to fuck around on IRC
mircea_popescu: the only - the ONLY - reason any website is online right now, google including, whitehouse.org included, is that nobody can be bothered to knock them off.
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 then i don't like you and ddos your system. what now ?
mircea_popescu: hanbot "demonstrating that perambulatory sculpture of the conspicuously unfucked might as well also possess meterological dominion over those parts of the world otherwise dangerous to honest hard-working folk predisposed to believe in peram
well, you know." ahahaha epic.
BlueMeanie4: they can do it
BlueMeanie4: or some other instrumet
asciilifeform: BlueMeanie4: use telex if you like. still gotta prove you own the private key
mircea_popescu: and in the window that pops say !up
gribble: You are now authenticated for user BlueMeanie4 with key DCB374BF51587535
kakobrekla passed the arian test although black
gribble: Error: Could not find a pending authentication request from your hostmask. Either it expired, or you changed hostmask, or you haven't made one.
mircea_popescu: try it again now, it's not the big deal it looks like.
mircea_popescu: when you don't have to deal with them
BlueMeanie4: let the techno condescention begin
kakobrekla: they dont teach pgp in cs?
gribble: (everify <otp>) -- Verify the latest encrypt-authentication request by providing your decrypted one-time password. If verified, you'll be authenticated for the duration of the bot's or your IRC session on channel (whichever is shorter).
BlueMeanie4: its the second time i did this
gribble: Error: Could not find a pending authentication request from your hostmask. Either it expired, or you changed hostmask, or you haven't made one.
mircea_popescu: it looks and sees a diff guy is putting in the decrypted string and calls shenanigans.
gribble: (everify <otp>) -- Verify the latest encrypt-authentication request by providing your decrypted one-time password. If verified, you'll be authenticated for the duration of the bot's or your IRC session on channel (whichever is shorter).
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 you gotta do the ;;eauth party ourself too!
gribble: Error: Could not find a pending authentication request from your hostmask. Either it expired, or you changed hostmask, or you haven't made one.
gribble: (everify <otp>) -- Verify the latest encrypt-authentication request by providing your decrypted one-time password. If verified, you'll be authenticated for the duration of the bot's or your IRC session on channel (whichever is shorter).
BlueMeanie4: ok got the passwd
penguirker: New blog post: http://thewhet.net/2014/some-mendicants-a-hill-moistened-bints-and-deep-breaths/
asciilifeform talked two chaps who were previously innocent of pgp and (mostly) of irc through the whole shebang. it took - minutes.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i thought russians had martini as the vermouth, like romanians.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: "After a whirlwind of bidding activity, a 9.0-graded copy of Action Comics #1 sold on eBay yesterday for a whopping $3.2-million, the most ever paid for a comic book" << clearly no inflation propping up nasdaq. it;'s all just legit money, which is why all art and collectible prices are up 10x
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: (from one russian commenter) - 'does the nail polish change to warning colour after the fifth martini?'
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4: also Mircea - you dont like Preston Bryne? << if i can be arsed to try and teach someone to read it can scarcely be argued i don't like them.
mircea_popescu: also, lol : "While it is occasionally used recreationally for its hallucinogenic properties, the experiences are often mentally and physically extremely unpleasant, and frequently physically dangerous, so repeated use is rare."
mircea_popescu: nubbins` this is why you take your own bottle and your own whores to the strip joint :D
mircea_popescu: all the greek sluts moved south and went to work.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is older than dirt. was the premiere reason women ended up forbidden from public places in teh islamic states.
asciilifeform: phun phact: knockout drops are alive and well in russia. but they are typically used by women - on men. chemically-assisted pick-pockets.
mircea_popescu: o and also : IF you want any sort of shot at a decent lay, you're to have full nudes on the internet before you're 18 and aging starts.
mircea_popescu: women are actually expected to walk on four inch heels after the age of 16 so as to deform their calf musculature and get fucking implants once they're 35+
mircea_popescu: Women are already expected to work hard to prevent themselves from becoming the victims of sexual assault. Theyre told to avoid wearing revealing clothing, travel in groups, make sure they dont get too drunk, and always keep a close eye on their drink. Now, remembering to put on anti-rape nail polish and discreetly slip a finger into each drink might be added to that ever-growing checklist something that actu
mircea_popescu: dude gtfo, what "epidemic". us colleges used to be this fuckathon, these days they're like fucking nunneries.
asciilifeform: 'I dont want to fucking test my drink when Im at the bar. Thats not the world I want to live in.'
mircea_popescu: "its not necessarily the best way to approach the sexual assault epidemic on college campuses."
assbot: Why Rape Prevention Activists Don't Like The New Nail Polish That Can Detect Roofies | ThinkProgress
asciilifeform: http://thinkprogress.org/health/2014/08/25/3475190/date-rape-nail-polish << mega-lol - liberasts oppose the 'anti-rape nail polish' product
mircea_popescu: dsherm sure, and the total amount is upper bound. but see, journos do a lot of sloppy thinking. the total amlunt being upper bound != non inflationary.
dsherm: M_P yeah i know but at least the rate of increase will... decrease
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mircea_popescu: dsherm that's okay, but sitll, bitcoin will continue to inflate well into the 22nd century.
dsherm: M_P i was talking about the article from contravex
thestringpuller: for the pro?
dsherm: m_p but at least the inflation will end
mircea_popescu: dsherm still. bitcoin is inflaitonary. just, not as much as the various other shitcoins
nubbins`: battery did not survive the coffee :(
ben_vulpes: ah, i missed the marmot.
nubbins`: how can you have deflation when the money supply is increasing :D
dsherm: was just reading contravex's "deflation isn't bitcoin's problem..." great refreshing read. found this channel there
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: Logged on 11-08-2014 23:15:37; mircea_popescu: godovo http://trilema.com/2014/awstats-and-stuff/ << 1mnish pages/month means even if they optimally use tor, it's still a tiny %.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell BitMarmot Judging from the hits though << http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-08-2014#791057
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller yeah something like that.
mircea_popescu: http://girls.twistys.com/preview/dailyupdates/2014/08/13/aubreystar-31811/images/full/13.jpg << fun fact : girls that walk on high heels don't tend to support themselves on the heel.
thestringpuller: legit over the wire*
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: when assigning a key to a bot, what is a good way to allow the bot to access it? is a passphrase even practical?
assbot: Mould Time-lapse - The Great British Year: Episode 4 Preview - BBC One - YouTube
mircea_popescu: ahh people's assumptions are such a great boon to internet humor. so i go on this blog and butthurt people, everyone assumes that since i speak the language i also live there, it's rioutous.
thestringpuller: time to export the private key to this machine
gribble: Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net', is not identified.
asciilifeform: re: electronic warfare article - the conflation between garden-variety signal jamming and 'emp' circuit zapping is inexcusable and a classic leper's bell of journalistic hacks
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: but i doubt that google corp. has the only copy of 'dejanews' - ask around.
BlueMeanie4: not joking - thats why theyre so strange
BlueMeanie4: well occasionally they go from being a colony to forming into a creature that gets up and moves
BlueMeanie4: but thats another story
ThickAsThieves: <+mircea_popescu> therealaltcoin, ThickAsThieves' scamcoin. /// it's more of a scamcoin assimiliation phenomenon!
BitMarmot: They're goofy, largely benign troublemaker
antonosika: mircea_popescu: I'll keep my fingers crossed then.
ThickAsThieves: <+BingoBoingo> BitMarmot> Website's been clocking 1,000 hits a day for the last three days - I should write about marmots more often << Not a bad idea //// Before you know it your website will be all "10 Wacky Interesting Things You Never Knew About Marmots"
mircea_popescu: kinda how the market was born, irl, centuries ago.
mircea_popescu: antonosika anyway, the last clause is there specifically to allow you to limit your risk as you can make me a settlement offer later on and who knows, i might take it.
BingoBoingo: antonosika: Sitting around here and having access to every one in the chan's input is an effect IQ boost
antonosika: mircea_popescu: I'll be happy with the outcome of this contract either way, nice to learn new things with you crazy fucks around here.
BitMarmot: No, just not giving a damn what other people think
mircea_popescu: i didn't even pick the right phrase. should have used rickles' "he's making a loss on every sale but hopes to make it up on volume"
antonosika: last thing, will you check the blockchain and confirm in this chat that you saw the 3.0001 BTC ?
assbot: A Law Enforcement Encounter: If you ran a Bitcoin related service before the thing hit $100 you prolly ought to be somewhat concerned and/or prepared | Bingo Blog
BingoBoingo: BitMarmot: Any thoughts on http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/08/25/a-law-enforcement-encounter-if-you-ran-a-bitcoin-related-service-before-the-thing-hit-100-you-prolly-ought-to-be-somewhat-concerned-andor-prepared/
mircea_popescu: (im not saying working is bad, it's not. the reason it's good however is that it allows such problems to be discussed)
mircea_popescu: i went to the hemingway school of law.
mircea_popescu: so what's the gain here ?
mircea_popescu: BitMarmot here's the problem. your effort at being polite has resulted in 2+6k words, in which the idiot in question is arguing he's right.
BingoBoingo: antonosika: Well if it came from another party that would mean someone else just subsidized the Long Party's purchase
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 well that's why i gave you that rota reference. nobody o.O after the attempt at a public court thing failed miserably.
antonosika: BingoBoingo: the problem is that it is possible to argue that the deposit was not from the long party
antonosika: easy to argue that it is not from the long party
antonosika: and "the Long Party"
antonosika: the amount is specified
antonosika: mircea_popescu: starting a contract by only seeing a random transaction in the blockchain is dodgy as hell
mircea_popescu: what changed in the past year ? nothing!
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BlueMeanie4: this doesnt appear to bother the 18 year olds who just bought 2 grand worth of magic beans
BlueMeanie4: do you know how many of these 'celebrated' bitcoin experts have some lame background like this?
mircea_popescu: that's funny, i remember the days "anonymous" used to be an insult.
BlueMeanie4: usually a combination of the two
BlueMeanie4: or theyre entirely anonymous
mircea_popescu: just one of the many ways mpex wrote teh history of bitcoin that nobody knows about because well... history is hard work.
BlueMeanie4: theyre a 'musician' or a 'pick up artist' or 'author' or some crap
antonosika: ill deposit if you reformulate the contract
mircea_popescu: they all got pissy because "onoes, whai so personal"
mircea_popescu: well for a coupla years there was this hot chick on the forum beating the shit out of the innumerable, meanwhile forgotten scammers.
BitMarmot: BlueMeanie4 I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt on character, but go ruthless on the facts
mircea_popescu: antonosika you gotta understand how the legal mind works. you have a beneficial presumption therein embedded.
mircea_popescu: just... finance ain't one of them.
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 not all people, no. if people valued candor there'd be a blowout sale on penis aids.
mircea_popescu: antonosika it'd still credit you. so they'd be suckers for doing it, but their problem.
antonosika: Im about to agree to a contract that stands if I deposit 3 btc to mircea_popescu (with the blockchain as security). Can someone tell me that this is a smart procedure?
mircea_popescu: BitMarmot if politeness has degraded to the point you gotta call someone talented just to remain polite i dun want any part of it.
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mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKY5zHILK00 << this could be the "talented bitcoiner" theme song.
BlueMeanie4: to a degree- if someone is repeatedly trying to draw attention to themselves by whoring around every buzzword and they do it repeatedly then pull a PRESALE- thats when you start questioning someone's motives
mircea_popescu: BitMarmot that's fine, but you know if you call someone something, whether it's "talented" or "whore" or anything, i may well ask you well, how did you find this and how could i verify for myself.
BlueMeanie4: 'if this guy is going to code this then great for him'
BlueMeanie4: that was basically my thought when I bothered to read his nonsense writings
mircea_popescu: but generally, you can distinguish they don't know wtf they're talking about on terminology, and just discard that and see if they're basically honest or not. at least it's my approach.
BlueMeanie4: he wanted to peg the value of assets to some 'market value' - it was utter nonsense
mircea_popescu: gotta cut amateurs slack re finance, somehow everyone got the idea they know it because... well bitcoin.
BitMarmot: on the programmer side
mircea_popescu: ok, "I look at BitSharesX and I see a group of talented" << what do you mean by talented then.
mircea_popescu: therealaltcoin, ThickAsThieves' scamcoin.
atcbot: [PityThePool Hashrate]: 1636.67 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 0 TH/s
mircea_popescu: antonosika that you can't give sue 1.5 btc and mary 1.5 btc of your load. gotta pick a girl blow the whole load on her.
mircea_popescu: i mean other than tardstalk finance.
BlueMeanie4: BitMarmot- allocate at least an hour to get through the WOT process
BlueMeanie4: that sounds like the scene from Monty Python holy Grail
mircea_popescu: also get out of this habit of using the same title on different dates for different articles. it's breadspread insanity.
BitMarmot: He would cast a curse on any campers at the camp who harassed local wildlife
BitMarmot: who lived in the rockies
BitMarmot: A friend of mine tells me the tale of a marmot called Grey Beard
BlueMeanie4: we have something like a marmot in the rocky mountains. its similar to a mountain-hamster
assbot: Logged on 26-08-2014 10:50:07; mircea_popescu: There once was a she named Priscilla whose vagina was flavored vanilla. The taste was so fine man and beast stood in line of a lick at this fabled chinchilla.
BingoBoingo: BitMarmot> Website's been clocking 1,000 hits a day for the last three days - I should write about marmots more often << Not a bad idea
mircea_popescu: because that's what the contract says.
antonosika: Why cant u just argue that that is another transaction?
BlueMeanie4: although I cant confirm that the current concept bears any resemblance to those early ideas
BlueMeanie4: I even recall the early bitshares stuff on btt, it was pure idiocy
gribble: Error: I am not seeing this user on IRC. If you want information about a registered gpg user, try the 'gpg info' command instead.
BitMarmot: Website's been clocking 1,000 hits a day for the last three days - I should write about marmots more often
BlueMeanie4: I just know the people involved and I didnt even bother running the numbers, I already know the answer
mircea_popescu: which is what's wrong with "biding their time" idiocies.
mircea_popescu: it's a fucking outrage is what it is. basically vitalik saw the neobee fuckwit buy a ferrari or whatever it was, went out of his mind and well... "if x can steal why shouldn't i"
BlueMeanie4: its pretty clear that Ethereum and Bitshares were fundraisers
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BlueMeanie4: I think the SEC is aware of what Vitalik and Bitshares are doing, but theyre biding their time
mircea_popescu: yet another way nature disadvantages women.
BitMarmot: I mean, I don't exactly look forward to the day seeing as I'm meant to be hanged
mircea_popescu: but yes, i will definitely push for prosecution of the current set of sec comissioners for having failed to take the hand i extended to them last year.
mircea_popescu: BitMarmot myeah. the many advantages for the general public of the sec demuring instead of taking its fucking place in the world.
mircea_popescu: antonosika well if a payment as specified makes it to the address specified before time specified, you have.
antonosika: mircea_popescu: Is there a way for me to show that I paid?
BitMarmot: Of everything I've written I figured MP probably approved of my most recent work the most
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller it's not being dumb, it's being absent
BitMarmot: agreed, but I figured the marmot peg was the best way to illustrate the sheer stupidity of what was going on with BTSX
antonosika: How do I sign the contract?
mircea_popescu: in other news, http://girls.twistys.com/preview/dailyupdates/2014/08/11/maily-serenablair-31808/images/full/12.jpg
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mircea_popescu: you can't start by doing good. you start by doing work, a lot of it, then you see.
antonosika: Well you said that it would be better if I had no money or voice since I will never do anything good. It feels like that gives a rather strict definition of good.
mircea_popescu: In August 1998, PointCast found such a partner. In order to compete with @Home, a consortium of telephone companies and Microsoft put together a project designed to promote use of DSL in preference to cable modems. <<< has there EVER been a technology battle where ms fell on the right side ?
mircea_popescu: As companies like Pointcast, Marimbas Castanet, Backweb, Intermind and others flock to seize push market-share, they have been feted by the business press, welcomed by media companies who hope push will help them make money, even lauded by Wired magazine as the radical future of media beyond the Web. <<< all winners :D