mircea_popescu: in the end this chokes life out.
mircea_popescu: there's merit to automating things ; but a strict inability to do basic accounting results in and fosters the development of serious other problems. such as a strict inability to plan.
mircea_popescu: the drawback is that you get humans who can't add.
ben_vulpes: it takes quite a bit of time, and is full of manual ops, missteps on any of which foul the whole thing. my inclination is always to automate these and sweat the correctness of the automation instead of the correctness of the process again and again.
mircea_popescu: i still can't imagine how ~any approach fails on it, seeing how the whole customer list is what, dozen ? less ?
ben_vulpes: and i never used a program because, (again cannot find the log link in reasonable-response time) at one point i was working on a schema for tracking customers and what they were paying for and mircea_popescu said something along the lines of "wtf this is a simple text file and accounting problem"
a111: Logged on 2018-11-11 15:27 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ah come the fuck on, he finds out there's a program mid nov ? why, he didn't look in the right place in the pgpball ?
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-11#1871118 << i never used a program. i documented and shared the accounting process with mod6 when i took sabbatical. i lack the log link atm but here's a copy of my original instructions http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/8YtMo/?raw=true
BingoBoingo: How much salt to shake out of the FUCKGOATS?
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> prior to pizarro, i pictured 'tmsr isp' as a moar 'noncontact' item, where heathen contract is signed and robotic 'bring server into gossip net' item is installed immediately. but FG / we-want-custom-irons etc changed this picture << This and those surprise power cycling of dulap I/II (I forget the dulap version history)
mircea_popescu: and there's stuff to look at re power and so on. dammi tempu etc.
asciilifeform: ( and within range of the nearest jungle mast )
asciilifeform: cuz then all you really need is a mains socket.
asciilifeform: thus far there's exactly 1 BingoBoingo and he'd better not contract yellow fever. not even speaking of hypothetical robot that births BingoBoingos...
mircea_popescu: ie, exactly what the shinohais of this world are stuck doing, like it or not like it.
mircea_popescu: not in the general case. but for its needs it is -- "i follow his lordship x, and sink with him".
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if robo-woman can muster the hiring of actual pair of hands, to hoist boxen, weasel heathens into 'bank acct', etc -- then yes. tho it still wouldn't crack the problem of 'loyal hands'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nothing prevents "irene" the bot from hiring such a cage.
asciilifeform: ( asciilifeform strongly suspects that the idea of replacing '2 strong oxen with 1024 chickens' in the ~general case~ is a perpetuum mobile. witness the heathens and their 'cloudism' , it is a circus )
asciilifeform: if there were advances on the ideal-net-of-perfectly-redundant-boxes front ( as described in e.g. mircea_popescu's 'uci' piece ) conceivably there could be a place for such 'isp'. but it still cannot replace an actual cage where you can put actual sealed irons with custom fillings.
asciilifeform: prior to pizarro, i pictured 'tmsr isp' as a moar 'noncontact' item, where heathen contract is signed and robotic 'bring server into gossip net' item is installed immediately. but FG / we-want-custom-irons etc changed this picture
asciilifeform: sumbody's gotta interface with heathendom, presently state of the art afaik does not give robot for this
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they move by order eh. besides, subs and all that.
mircea_popescu: whole fucking point is to degrade empire to that level of http://trilema.com/2016/give-computers-the-vote-theyre-cheaper-than-women-even/
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the part where physical irons move, get hoisted, endisked, etc
mircea_popescu: but yes, having reich "bank accounts" for imaginary, computer-brained "persons" is certainly part of the overal design.
BingoBoingo: Anyways, we already have an mp-wp. Once things are clean and clear and organized, they can land there.
asciilifeform: presently i'm concerned with ripping out the current duct tape, however.
asciilifeform: is however iirc in pizarro log, presently digging for the most recent known incarnation
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it was ben_vulpes's thing, and doesn't appear to be in the pgpball, was a separate communique, part of ben_vulpes's 'i'm off to the desert' msg
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ah come the fuck on, he finds out there's a program mid nov ? why, he didn't look in the right place in the pgpball ?
mircea_popescu: it is well advised to get to brass tacks and have a node and everything. and i fully agree that b is not here, nor is this anymore than a purely theoretical discussion.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-11 14:03 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is what i was thinking under header of 'when we gild the lily'
mircea_popescu: btw, re http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-11#1871034 : i've ended up conflating two things i think and the result is confusing. so a) obviously as things stand now, and perfectly defensibly for an indefinite future the way to go is to pipe the result of !!balance into some publishatron ; however b) if and when pizarro decides to capitalize on its abundance of highly qualified personnel to create a "bitcoin isp software package",
BingoBoingo: The thought of reading that thing with an eye to killing it... I have tears of relief
BingoBoingo: Anyway's I'll start splitting the customer accounts from the notes and then the notes from the launch codes
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ben_vulpes's proggy was not wwwtronic, so i'm thinking we'll begin by updating it to the current numberz and posting it verbatim (signed by the principals) << There was a program?
BingoBoingo: And thank you trinque for the questions that started it
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu asciilifeform: Thank you for how to cut and kill the hairball
asciilifeform: lol i'd actually rather join racoon in garbage restaurant..
asciilifeform: i was thinking moar along the lines of oestrogenic plasticizers etc
mircea_popescu: "Im sorry good girls, but its true. But first, allow me to clarify. There are plenty of bad girls who come across as good girls to the untrained eye. These women will play straight arrows out in public, but once they get you behind closed doors, they unleash the beast." << straight up rewrite of the xtian holy book. "they may suck, but maybe deep down there's some nonsuck ?". srsly now ?!
asciilifeform: i'm presently unconvinced that they are created by reading anyffin, tho. presumably created in childhood, by some combo of defective progenitors and envir pollutants, ~then~ go on to 'read' things
mircea_popescu: all the http://trilema.com/2018/must-suck-to-be-one-of-you-average-guy-with-a-great-sense-of-humor-losers-seriously-now/ are produced ~somehow~ you realise. this is the avenue they are produced : men who read cucks' notions and ideas about "how the world should be^H^H^H^H is"
asciilifeform: biologically damaged folx, i.e. 'cucks', do apparently exist, mircea_popescu documented the subj half to death, yes
mircea_popescu: dork in question literally thinks he "is helping make the world a better place" by "helping men" "understand" "women". in the sense of "understand" from "you have to understand" in http://trilema.com/2017/mimi-metallurgico-ferito-nellonore/#selection-91.19-95.2 ; and in the sense of "women" from "what pantsuited hilarities all over boston would like to pretend the fillies are and do". very much something of the blood and bone
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, i guarantee you there's a pete dushenski somewhere pen-on-paper-ing them.
mircea_popescu: because it ain't fucking happening, what the fuck.
mircea_popescu: to quote from the all-fet, "shadowscar00 20F Rope Bunny 1h How about you drop whatever it is YOURE doing and read my fuckin bio" "LordMPofTMSR 1h Nah."
asciilifeform: straight cargocult, like other spamola
mircea_popescu: but do you remember the 70s, back when people honestly thought "equal partnerships" are possible, and even desirable among the genders, and there can be such a thing as "career women" and so on ? and they will be mated through the process of informing men "how to", as if men fucking give a shit, or ever possibly could ?
mircea_popescu: in other fucken lulz, https://www.elitedaily.com/dating/12-reasons-men-never-pick-good-girl/782903 << remember back when it was 2008 and people honestly thought this sort of crap (thinly veiled mfa, really, but otherwise IAC's "publishing", even has the structure) is "the way to riches on web" ? back when they also thought "(((america))) will be wealthy through the process of doing each other's laundry" and other such inaniti
mircea_popescu: i was not involved. but the girls love using it.
mircea_popescu: sounds like nightmare case, you know, "take this popular app, make it run on your hand-distilled industrial machinery in this closet here". come back the next day, "all done" i'm like...
mircea_popescu: a, before i forget -- trinque a++ consultant. i dunno what it is with the man, it's almost as if he earns his living doing this or something.
asciilifeform: and yes this ~is~ the very same disease of which usg is dying. i'd like to fix this before we drown in ocean of stupid.
asciilifeform: initially 'missile codes' were 80%+ of the pizarro comms, so problem was latent
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there ~is~ small body of non-(realtime)-publishable fact, e.g. who's sending wires, logins, etc
mircea_popescu: yes but holy shit, nobody does it ~here~. why the fuck do you boys go straight back to it the moment you're @treefort ?!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ours, i think, is moar of a case of 'this is nice rifle, let's take it fishing', pgp offers temptation to 'cipher and then see later', i agree that it is dangerous.
mircea_popescu: and it was neither to my loss nor to his nor to the republic in any sense. you read it and you liked it.
mircea_popescu: perhaps the first diplomatic mission in the 3k year long history of diplomacy that ~didn't even need crypto~.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform consider for your own edification that the ~whole~ mocky thing was run with 0 crypto the entire length up until his return.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: thing does contain 'launch codes' presently. it needs some actual disentanglement, after which i expect pgp-turd traffic will be minimal ( just how often we change launch codes ?? ) and 99+% of the thing is to be posted in realtime.
mircea_popescu: seems pizarro's been growing all kinda pantsuit warts, not mere bureaucracy-ism but the whole shebang.
mircea_popescu: you don't get the same benefit from not running a node ; nor from not knowing how to note-to-web.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the contact method's done like that for a very good reason -- to extrude people out of the zekshit.
asciilifeform: but i can see the logic
asciilifeform: we already have an irc dependency ( it is the only contact method )
mircea_popescu: i don't think that's necessarily the way to go. for one thing, man's doing cuntoo ; for the other thing, you are well advised to run own node and do own thing rather than build an irc dependency into your isp.
asciilifeform: currently trinque is the grandmaster of noad-powered realtime mechanics.
asciilifeform: after we get the simplest working item up & running, i'ma ask trinque if he is interested in helping (in exch for shares, perhaps) us to avoid reinventing wheel, and solder his payment system to our acct system
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aha, i can see the logic.
mircea_popescu: (this in no way requires hotwalletisms, you can keep the wallets @home for this just as well - node's watcjhing specified addressen)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is what i was thinking under header of 'when we gild the lily'
mircea_popescu: pizarro could get fancy, run a publicly-advertised dedicated node, dumpblocks or w/e to get the txen, push them into mp-wp 100% automatically.
asciilifeform: the 1 open q is whether mod6 will continue as treasurer, presently he is the only 1 with access to the coins + the realtime tx history which powers the spreadshit
asciilifeform: only after mine field cleared , will make sense to gild the lily, supposing it even needs gilding.
mircea_popescu: anything that doesn't fail to match the numbers indeed suffices!
a111: Logged on 2018-11-10 02:39 mircea_popescu: what do you even scale them with ?
mircea_popescu: like it processes an image (in http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-10#1870557 discussion) it can process a report too! there's hooks!
mircea_popescu: why can't you just use the normal upload process. give it a txt file and let it work.
asciilifeform: after asciilifeform's conveyor ( http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2735 << public ! nao ) is emptied, can then attempt an item which sits on www and takes signed updates via form box, possibly
mircea_popescu: anyway, nothing wrong with doing any way you're doing, pen, lisp, whjatever. but there's something massively wrong with doing it in such a way as to impedance mismatch you to the breaking point, wth. if pen works well then use pen, but IT THEN HAS TO WORK WELL. do not use if works ~poorly~ instead of well.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes's proggy was not wwwtronic, so i'm thinking we'll begin by updating it to the current numberz and posting it verbatim (signed by the principals)
asciilifeform: soon as BingoBoingo & mod6 wake up, we start to glue the necessary pieces .
asciilifeform: mod6: let's get this off the ground asap
mircea_popescu: don't ask the customer for things you don't have to. customer pays, that's enough.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, issue it to them.
mircea_popescu: there's a difference! for one thing, i as well as anyone can tell the 2nd thing ENDS!!! it's not ongoing for fucking ever, who the fuck heard of this "planning with a halting problem" ?!
mircea_popescu: my plan looks like day 1 : look everywhere (no, that ~everywhere~ isn't a manner of speech) while taking breaks to ejaculate profanity and try and think wtf i did ; day 2 : hang all the servants maids etc in the dungeon and gets the hose again until i am satisfied by the account of each one as to how they've not lost my keys for me ; day 3 : get new keys, install webcams, gps trackers and etc."
asciilifeform: as i understand, doesn't even require crypto, customer supplies ( achtung, customers ! ) arbitrary bitstring, it will be his pseudonym in the document.
mircea_popescu: and in the same vein : if i lose my fucking carkeys, my "prospective plan for carkey finding" doesn't read ANYTHING like "day 1 : look for carkeys ; day 2 : look for carkeys ; day 3 : look for carkeys ; day 4...".
mircea_popescu: srsly, this obvious market leadership has to await today morning ?! why the fuck, srsly now, nobody here heard of crypto before ?
mircea_popescu: notice how in this brief span of ten minutes we've done MORE for pizarro than the above mentioned six months produced!
mircea_popescu: double-hash it, customer knows his private hash, knows the salt, can verify his line secretly and no more.
asciilifeform: imho it's the Right Thing.
mircea_popescu: so salt-hash the names, what diff does it make.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: do you see any potential problem in idea of making the 'spreadshit' realtime-public ? ( when we get heathen customers, they may want their names omitted, i suppose, but as it stands i can't picture why not )
asciilifeform: presently appears that i may have to 'disentangle' it with own hands ( if mod6 has nervous breakdown ) and put it back in service. it was retired when ben_vulpes went into sabbatical, mod6 preferred to do the numbers with pen
a111: Logged on 2018-05-05 00:07 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, mod6 , mircea_popescu , et al : http://www.loper-os.org/pub/piz_tab.html << corrections of central column or other init params, welcome
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: fwiw, the 'legacy hairball' was actually a common lisp rewrite of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-05#1809743 item ( and iirc published here )
mircea_popescu: you're a good man, and i trust you, and i know as a matter of fact my trust's not misplaced. we absolutely have to either adjust you to the tasks you have or the tasks you have to you, however, because there's simply no way to maintain trustworthyness on the long haul while capacity-activity mismatch is ongoing.
mircea_popescu: can you ~believe~ how much like something you'd read on tardstalk "investments" your workproduct ends up ?! and this in 2018 ? why, because you've been secretly saving it through a time capsule, insulated from review, all this time ?! god almighty, last thing i want is the yahoo peterl-ism of 2013 perpetuated a second past the end of that year.
mircea_popescu: . on the short term you'll have to take some time off and think long and hard and in all seriousness about what you want from this life, because continuing on your present course can't possibly bring much beyond disaster.
mircea_popescu: yes hanbot remembers that time fondly ; and certainly so do i. but as things stand presently the practical choices before you are either to make a major committment of both time and attention towards living up to the lofty position of a lord, and catch up on that proverbial "legacy hairball" ; or else to limit yourself to testing some code here and there as time permits and publish the occasional piece. this, on the long term
mircea_popescu: the "sad" news, from this perspective (though it is boldly and fundamentally the exact opposite of sad) is that no, there isn't any "return to the grand old days" on the table. ~emphatically~ not. bitcoin ain't going back to spending a summer at 2 dollars a coin ; and consequentlly you're not going back to being the mod6 of 2013 on ten hours a week and lukewarm committment.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-11 04:10 trinque: is there some kind of christian purity involved in the tool choice?
mircea_popescu: this may not be obvious to you, though it is screamingly obvious to me (and not just to me, witness http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-11#1870964 / http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-11#1870958 ) : the various inexplicable and outright infantile "problems" you are encountering are entirely manufactured, and transparently as a defense against change.
mircea_popescu: consider http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-15#1813491 : it was six months ago, and i knew then as you can see now that the passage of time will vindicate the point. if "nobody has been wasting any time by any stretch of the imagination", where did six months go ?
a111: Logged on 2018-06-13 20:27 mod6: I was thinking that if L1/L2 people around here want to emplace a banner on their blog to help drive some traffic to PizzaroISP.net and earn some btc, let us know.
a111: Logged on 2018-08-31 16:21 mircea_popescu: you seriously can't be sitting there spending hours on this pennies thing.
a111: Logged on 2018-08-05 22:13 mod6: I've gotta run for a bit here, maybe later when you're availble we can go through calculating that customer equity. i did some adding, but I came up about 50% short. clearly missing something there.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-05 01:33 mod6: I actually didn't think it was any big deal, as previous months I had made these deals behind closed doors with jurov as wel.
mircea_popescu: you can't really be the head of the foundation as a guy who monthly publishes a page of .txt on a website somewhere ; you can't really be the board of the isp as a guy who comes up with http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-05#1858303 and http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-05#1839737 and http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-31#1846185 and http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-13#1825070
mircea_popescu: it seems to me inescapably the case that you have not been putting either enough time or enough thought into this, and continuing in like manner for year upon year. the inescapable result was accumulation, of exactly the wrong kind : every day you personally grew a little smaller than your image in the forum, and compensating for the difference drew, as any other credit, upon your capacities to service, until eventually the g
mircea_popescu: to do nothing is one thing. to do things that then someone will have to come later and untangle... holy hell on wheels.
BingoBoingo: Whatever you do mod6 don't nightmare about the accounting when you sleep. Have sweet dreams of Cabo Polonia, the lobos marinos, and the brasileras
mod6: Ok, so I'm gonna call it a night. What I do know at this point is the ``surplus'' that we're seeing in the statements goes back at least through the August report. However, I'm not even certain at this point if what I'm seeing is actually incorrect, as I said earlier. Or if I just don't understand what I'm looking at. There's a strong chance that I just don't understand it.
BingoBoingo: trinque: We have a legacy hairball to untangle. I encouraged mod6 to continue on with managing the cash account, decentralizing and in the process creating a bigger mess.
lobbes: mod6: I also recommend getting a proper mp-wp up and running. As someone who also tried to stick with the 'manual html' route, I vastly underestimated the communicative power of a proper blogotron (the speed-up-to-post, the catagorizing, the deedbot announces, comments, pingbacks, etc etc)
trinque: I ftr don't see why BingoBoingo doesn't run the thing, as mircea_popescu has also amply wtf'd
lobbes: BingoBoingo: on the other hand, we have Mocky who just returned from some serious outreaching
trinque: and more fundamentally, consider that when you persist in doing things the wrong way (like, do you even have a spreadsheet for this thing) you're probably caught in an avoidance loop of the "I don't even want to be doing this" variety
trinque: mod6: you don't need a CFO to count the amount of money you guys are moving
BingoBoingo: lobbes: I ask because it is clear Republican outreach has dropped since cazalla retired and danielpbarron turned hard towards his other cult
lobbes: I'ma be doing the holiday travel thing for a week this month and a week next month. Other than that, just the usual $saltmine 9-5 and then squeezing in republican workload where able
BingoBoingo: lobbes: How does your schedule look over the next 3 months?
lobbes: mod6: the key idea behind double-entry accounting is that for every transaction you are involving at least two accounts. E.g. If you pay your water bill from your checking account you'd record a decrease (credit) to your checking account, and record an increase (debit) to your water bill expense account
mod6: I wanted to hire an accountant / CFO / whatever for the work, even back when ben was working on Pizarro -- so he could focus more on sales. But no takers.
mod6: mircea_popescu: fair enough. ben said something to me on the phone, "double entry accounting". I don't even know what that is. But, my guess is that I'm supposed to know.
mircea_popescu: mod6 the problem with "accounting things" is that they're a fundamental life skill ; i can scarcely imagine how you get through the days of your life without as much accounting as is here required. think that you're not asked to upload in head the many volumes of gaap arcana, but merely some very basic "this plus that is the other" sorta stuff, and the complaint sounds somewhat like gravedigger's disdain of readin', takes tim
BingoBoingo: The familial relationship of Concubine is recognized under Uruguayo law. I am pretty sure the icy north recognizes Shariah law (as established in Rotterdam) by now, so if the local government frowns upon the relationship you develop with a Chileña you can tell them to respect your cultural differences.
BingoBoingo: Once the surplus is accounted for, make your next Pizarro priority a beach vacation before fall hits and the water gets cold. Arrive on a Friday or Saturday to get your odinsleep, we'll hit up the Feria Sunday and tour the rack Sunday or Monday. After you comfort yourself through seeing the hardware I'll put you on a bus to see all those cool beaches on the east coast I hear so much about but don't have the opportunity to check out
mod6: Yeah, I'm gonna try to stick to the schedule I posted, and get some food now. When I get back, I'll work on the accounting surplus.
BingoBoingo: mod6: With respect to Pizarro, you probably ought to just focus on reconciling the cash account to account for the surplus. As you have time to spend on that task.
mod6: I remember when keeping up with the logs + trb + v really felt like a ton of stuff. But that stuff has been wholesale replaced + some even, by pizarro.
mod6: I have the hunger to do much. But I fear that I've bitten off more than I can chew -- especially with things that are not in my wheelhouse that really take-away time, or slow down other progress. This being accounting things, or other management stuff.
mod6: I'd have to say, I was just doing enough to get us by with the Foundation (library) stuff before Pizarro. Much less, even getting a Stanford and world-class embassy.
BingoBoingo: When I started helping mod6 transition out of the intermin management responsibility, I erred judging that keeping mod6 in charge of the cash account would distribute stress instead of amplifying it. My bad.
mircea_popescu: mod6 the two prongs of the problem seem to be, principally that you have a lot less time available for this than ~most everyone else, by a factor of 2 or more ; and secondarily that elementary tasks that should take an hour or thereabouts take you multiples, by a factor of 3 or 5 or who knows.
BingoBoingo: The accounting issue is mod6 has more Pizarro cash than the October draft statement calculated by applying the net change to the previous month's cash account says he should.
mod6: for #3 Again, yeah, I'm sure I did it, may have been an hour. More or less. Those two days (6th and 7th), I recall being pretty busy, but other than the usual stuff, I can't really what I got distracted by.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: My inclination is to wait and ping when we send the next round of invoices, but the man is overwhelmed
BingoBoingo: The disks are indeed available
asciilifeform: btw the inventory shows that disks are available for that machine, if mircea_popescu & co want it fully en-disked.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: You have an open invoice for the S.MG test machine
mircea_popescu: i am not impugning the man.
mod6: for #2: We keep the notes so we know what's going on with all the customer accounts, our ledgers, and general information about on-goings of the business. This is necessary so we don't have to log-spelunk everything. Logs don't work all the time, like right now, the logging for #pizarro is down.
mircea_popescu: mod6 it seems a necessary that you're overwhelmed, if your time budged to do TWO board jobs AND logs is about half what people use to do just the latter part.
mircea_popescu: god knows i sank hours into documentary wells for various edge discussions (bout half of which end up published, mostly because i'm fascist with "in other news" style segues ; but many do not, as it's "yup, was right" or such)
asciilifeform: i also have a portable gsm heathen thing that displays logs (but i do not like to speak through it)
mircea_popescu: both of these lol.
mod6: So usually that leaves 30min-1hour per night, sometimes more depending on the size. Sometimes I fall down a well in the logs if i'm looking for something specific related to any number of things: pizarro, foundation, ada, ffa, who knows.
mircea_popescu: how you manage to cram a week's worth of logs in an hour and a half for instance is anyone's guess, god knows my girls don't manage -- it eats in excess of 10 hours weekly, and noobs such as the bimbo are well over the 25 hour mark week in week out.
mod6: #1 was halfhour. i remember it being not 3 seconds because I had to look up the bot commands and try to get that correct, etc. despite the fact that I made it for the wrong amount.
mircea_popescu: because it'd seem to me your week consists by this logic of 12 to 13 hours of, making the timetable (15%), reading logs (13%), and it's not clear to me what (75%).
mircea_popescu: is this correct then ?
mircea_popescu: so to summarize : 1. one hour (!?) wrangling with auctionbot on the 4th (the result still wrong) ; 2. 2 hours handling three conflated processes (why do you keep notes as an intermediate step ?) on the 5th ; 3. 1 hour reading logs on the 6th ; 4. half hour reading logs on the 7th ; 5. 1.3 h mostly brainstorming on the 8th ? ; 6. half hour doing... i don't know what on the 9th ; 7. 4 (four ?!) hours doing i still don't know wh
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i'm presently unconvinced that crapple iron with the horsepower of a rk but the footprint of pc, belongs in the rack ( tho will listen to reason if anybody wants to argue the opposite, or for that matter contract to colo one )
asciilifeform: mod6: plz dun assume that i am ignoring your mails ! was tied up with straightening own '10 pounds of shit in 1 pound bag', will attend to them asap
asciilifeform: recall what passes for a comp there
BingoBoingo: And on this note at the end of the month girl will be visiting her Tía in Argentina. Anyone have shopping list items they want investigated?
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> there were quite tall piles of iron at the flea market, and nobody was buying ( i walked for ~4h and it appears to have moved not an inch ) << asciilifeform has a hell of an eye, the local ebayazon suggests richer variety of golden junk in Argentina
mircea_popescu was mostly looking for republican hours, rather than everything, but nothing wrong with item as is.
mod6: The times that I've put in there are a bit subject, my irc client runs on UTC time, and the logs the same, and we've had DLST here this week. I've tried to be as honest with the thing as I can be.
asciilifeform: from ru folx's reports 'from the ground' , would seem that it is less of a 'miamistan' than Mocky's arabs, typical folx, even moneyed, not deeply into english. but ru is diff matter.
asciilifeform: there is a considerable, btw, number of ru folx working with cn . possibly also angle.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in their own eyes englisher is supremely literate.
mircea_popescu: the squigglies, like garnish, once you're in consolidation phase.
mircea_popescu: all the useful anthropological information (such as http://mocky.org/Zombies-Gamers-and-Lost-Souls/ ) will not be found in the http://trilema.com/2018/actual-anthropology-yet-another-minor-function-of-the-functioning-harem/#selection-89.21-89.37 morons' spew.
asciilifeform: i thought the basic winning theorem of orc-craft was to go in as a properly-literate, vs. 'idjit englisher'
asciilifeform: now i'm curious. how wouldja propose to get by without'em ? ask for contracts etc in the king's engl ?!
mircea_popescu: im not even so sure hieroglyphs per se are either arequirement or even useful.
asciilifeform: i knew it is in the cards when we first spoke seriously of baking ic, tho, so picked up (cutting through considerable loathing for hieroglyph..) the subj, a while back.
mircea_popescu: otherwise you're rather in the position of the fellow who's dedicated his life to studying catholic architecture but never visited spain.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: presently i have a quite rare & advantageous ( 0 commute ) saecular throne i'd rather not yet vacate
asciilifeform: ( and even the serpent disk thing, even, if we ever get around to baking it )
asciilifeform: i'm thinking the terraformed-c101pa is potentially saleable tho.
asciilifeform: now if them monkeys actually knew what to do with comps...
mircea_popescu: considering that the average-without-you was pretty sorry indeed.
asciilifeform: besides, if i make my escape to BingoBoingostan, who will ferry the irons from ebayistan in suitcases.
asciilifeform: there were quite tall piles of iron at the flea market, and nobody was buying ( i walked for ~4h and it appears to have moved not an inch )
mircea_popescu: at that level of abstraction, leaking the empire's artefacts selectively into the frankistans is god's work.
mircea_popescu: you don't feel like moving to uruguay, trying to get a http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-24#1844323 off the ground i take it ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: after ffa/p beta rollout, i'ma be at yer service for the next thing ( fg2? tmsr.mips ? radio ? or other, take yer pick )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re 'bigendian box' -- i invested in one of them 'asic emulator' mega-fpga thingies, it so happens to come with 2 ppc cores on board, can double as bigendism test system.
asciilifeform: btw if nobody indicates giving a damn, i'ma leave off cataloging these, i can't think of any use for'em
a111: Logged on 2018-11-10 14:32 asciilifeform: in other noose, yet-another http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-05#1869662 found : 108.170.1.134
mircea_popescu: cost on them.
mircea_popescu: besides -- let them build in converters.
mircea_popescu: i dunno i like alt-endian systems enough to support them\
mircea_popescu: in order to support diff endianism i gotta pay the cost of processing twice.
asciilifeform: ^ mircea_popescu , diana_coman , other potential ffa eaters ^
mod6: Alright. I'll put together a blog post.
mod6: Well, in regards to the statement, specifically, I only got the draft of the statement from BingoBoingo on the 7th. And been going through it since then.
mircea_popescu: gotta get into the nitty gritty of this, because i gotta tell you, i publish, on time and for years, 3x or more of the report count you have, and it's a few hours' worth if that.
mircea_popescu: do me a favour and publish a week's timetable retrospective and the coming week's prospective on your blog ?
mod6: But maybe others disagree. I don't think it's 'a'.
mod6: I want to do this, and get a keccak vtree. I think I said as much at the time, just wanted to ensure that keccak was in working order before we moved to it. I thought that to be the most prudent thing to do.
mircea_popescu: having your hands on the levers of power means that, "whether meant as such or not", what you do is what you do.
mod6: is this in reference to the keccak vtree?
mircea_popescu: i said hijach ~the foundation~ to crash ~my~ standards process.
mircea_popescu: in a most remote, theoretical principle it'd be something like "well, he's either a) lazy or else b) committed to not getting out of a confort zone he delineated silently and that's that or c) he's overwhelmed". now which of these is it ?
mircea_popescu: it's infuriating to see movements a la "oh, ima hijack this foundation thingee to crash your standards process", whether meant as that or not.
mircea_popescu: mod6 i'll tell you, it is fucking painful to have to argue n times over the "here's auction system fucking use it". alf in his worse days, years ago, presented similar challenges. makes me feel like i'm fucking pushing the grain into the chicken, why the fuck would i, let it fucking starve.
mod6: I'm trying to get both BingoBoingo and myself better at this -- but as it is, it's like the blind leading the blind.
mod6: The acution for instance, was just a careless oversight on my part. But the accounting stuff, this is something pretty far out of my wheelhouse.
mircea_popescu: gotta learn new things, and be damn good at them. gotta go new places. gotta master new things. it's entirely what it is. all it is.
mircea_popescu: it started as a modest token on a "magic : the gathering" exchange, and it is moving to take over the world. it requires GROWTH.
mircea_popescu: hanbot the idea of this here republic isn't "the cult of wearing blessed pants". that's mormonism. nor is it "the cult of all reading the new yorker". that's pantsuitism. the idea of this republic is, "we're going to GROW WITH IT".
hanbot: fwiw mod6 still figures as "heart of reliability, solid fellow" in my book. he stepped up to some (afaik alien to him) challenges lately and while it may be rough going, i've never seen a drop in commitment from the guy. just sayin'.
mod6: mircea_popescu: I'm sorry you've lost faith in me, and if I could some how fix it, I would. The only thing I can figure that is wrong here is that I'm in way over my head.
mircea_popescu: in the traditional structure of business, the manager is the manager and the board provides oversight. if the ~board~ itself needs oversight, well, generally it gets reshuffled. cuz that's what it is, the final overseer.
mod6: I just have very little clue on this accounting stuff. And other things, it's apparent.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mod6 coming on the heels of the misspecced auction and so on, this looks terrifying. << Yeah, I screwed up the auction. I apologize. We had hoped to get some oversight on the last months statement from pizarro but it didn't happen. It might not even be incorrect, and BingoBoingo's draft might not be even incorrect.
mircea_popescu: at some point along the way mod6 has turned from "heart of reliability, solid fellow" to "everything this guy touches will explode in shocking ways and half the time silently". i wish to identify when this happened ; i wish to indentify how and why it happened. and i wish it fucking fixed, preferably right the fuck immediately what the fuck.
a111: 2018-11-04 <ben_vulpes> will be making new contacts in the next month to find a shared cab for racking the foundation machine i lugged across the continent
asciilifeform: incidentally what's the status of ben_vulpes ? is he still spending all of his time building fence around old house, or what was it
asciilifeform: mod6: he's right, y'know. and at this point i would not be averse to spending some coin and hiring an l1 accountant, if the necessary hero arises ( jurov ? hanbot ? )
mircea_popescu: the grind is going the wrong way. from "you realise these dudes haven't managed to publish a report on time yet" the expectation is "well, next month they will", not "and next month -- new math!"
mircea_popescu: are you going for the mismanagement triple crown or what is it with you ?
mircea_popescu: mod6 coming on the heels of the misspecced auction and so on, this looks terrifying.
mod6: An update on Pizarro's statement for October: BingoBoingo has a draft, of which I've poured through. We seem to have more BTC on hand then is adding up at the moment. So we're going to be auditing some previous statements to see where the problem might be.
asciilifeform recently had the pleasure of rereading Mocky's 'why ada'. turns it the walk to ada was longer/thornier than asciilifeform remembers it being
asciilifeform: ( i.e. 2 boxes with opposite endianisms, can speak , via this algo, without any other endian-specific logics )
asciilifeform: so you find which one does, and beyond that there is no reason to ever think about endianism
asciilifeform: formula was, there are 2 possible states, 'as it came' and 'flipped', and at most 1 of these can ever pass checksum
asciilifeform: iirc it was mircea_popescu who orig suggested the algo to me
diana_coman: so perhaps I get the *why* but I don't buy it for a communication protocol, just why to "not know"
a111: Logged on 2018-09-14 16:27 asciilifeform: to round out thread, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-14#1850330 << in my orig udp attempt, i dispensed with the traditional 'gotta be in network byte order (tm)' doctrine, in favour of 'if packet doesn't pass muster, THEN flip the endianism and try again 1ce'
a111: Logged on 2018-09-14 17:09 mircea_popescu: iirc we even had a discussion re standardizing a byte order ; though from the fact that i don't recall the results i take it i got shown broken cats.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-10 16:56 asciilifeform: also how come you need procedure Cast_LE( LE: in out Raw_Types.Octets ) ? i thought the algo was 'if message invalid, flip endianism in whole thing and re-eval before discard'
diana_coman: I suppose this http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-10#1870622 is linked to http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-14#1850462 but I fail to see/recall some agreement that "we now first try as it is, then if it fails, try flipped"
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-10#1870659 - as far as I can tell it's actually a WordPress "feature" where it converts text smileys to graphic images (the 8) is "cool") ; I disabled it now from Settings->Writing, if anyone else runs into this shit