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xmj: fluffypony: Rangerk would be the one behind bettingblocks.com
Rangerk: goo.gl/7hDBxm Bet on the miners of future bitcoin blocks.
xmj: there we go :-)
xmj: im trying to nag the guy behind bettingblocks.com to join us
nubbins`: hey, at least their HIF expenses are right on par
thestringpuller: and the poster?
nubbins`: we were aiming for them to be in your hands within 3 weeks of payment, so ~09/20-ish
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nubbins`: yeah, i can't think of anything else it'd be either
ThickAsThieves: but the page looks legit
nubbins`: the enunciation is a little bit weird around that part
kakobrekla: and if you modulate it, you get "i am the great cornholio"
nubbins`: i was walking through a parking lot last night and as i passed this tracksuit-wearing guy, he shouts "GO FUCK YOURSELF, YA SLUT" at his phone and then starts walking really closely behind me
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assbot: The perfect pitch pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
BingoBoingo: http://trilema.com/2014/the-perfect-pitch/#footnote_25_56335 << Beautiful, very true
penguirker: New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/the-perfect-pitch/
jurov: just pasted me fake gribble output and insisted "this is proof im authed"
mircea_popescu: tried to claim the system dun work.
nubbins`: i'mma look into it further
mircea_popescu: i guess this is then a chrome bug actually.
nubbins`: i guess the incognito tab doesn't give up the existing cookie, site can't find it, sends one over... but i'm surprised that'd overwrite the existing cookie
nubbins`: the face of sadness
mircea_popescu: and of course anyone who likes to read, but the four are actually involved :D
assbot: The perfect pitch pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/the-perfect-pitch/ this goes for asciilifeform RagnarDanneskjol jurov wao
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nubbins`: ^ fodder for the "humans weren't meant to eat dairy" crowd
nubbins`: "Since lactose occurs mostly in milk, in most mammals, the production of lactase gradually decreases with maturity due to a lack of constant consumption."
ThickAsThieves: there's a local vegan cheesemaker here that isnt bad
xmj: ThickAsThieves: there are -some- rare health benefits to smoking.
nubbins`: srsly, read the first paragraph of that FODMAPS article
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nubbins`: the older i get, the more confused i get about humans and their determination to poison their bodies and the world around them as rapidly as possible
nubbins`: oh, sorry, as i'm reading up on them, i realize it's canadian only
chetty: I saw a thing where they tested blood stored 50 years ago so its not better detection
chetty: and then of course ask why celiac is much more common now than 50 years ago ..
nubbins`: nod. there are so many
chetty: well thats different, its the nuts that dont have any actual reason ..
nubbins`: if you don't have to ask "what brand of ketchup is this?" at the restaurant, you're not celiac
chetty: I can't believe anybody still listens to the food police
nubbins`: protip: Budweiser beer is the only major-label brand available in Canada that does not contain gluten
nubbins`: "Coincidentally, some of the largest dietary sources of FODMAPs — specifically bread products — are removed when adopting a gluten-free diet"
nubbins`: "Instead, as RCS reported last week, FODMAPS are a far more likely cause of the gastrointestinal problems attributed to gluten intolerance."
nubbins`: talked about these things called FODMAPS
nubbins`: "but they're so good"
nubbins`: exacerbating the gluten thing is the immense amount of refined sugars people consume in their bread/baked goods
ThickAsThieves: which is of course, appropriate on the surface
BingoBoingo: The gluten thing is just because some members of the species don't have genetic compatibility with this "agriculture" thing yet...
chetty: perhaps its god by some other names? like money? or earth or
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves well, there are some advantages to fat over glucose.
ThickAsThieves: in my own estimation, the gluten thing is more of a phenomenon relating to health-enthusiasts fucking up their bodies and either exacerbating gluten intolerance, or misdiagnosing it as the problem, rather than the symptom
ThickAsThieves: another interesting phenomenon is US media hammering the concept of "eat fatty foods, not carbs"
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ThickAsThieves: recall our conversation about schools beating into our heads "You can be anything if you really want it, President of the US even!"
ThickAsThieves: i do think US education is a major culprit (just read the Mike OCD article)
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TheNewDeal: wtf was going on there
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so how many peeps are running "linux because it's safe and gentoo because it's so and so" except they got it off drevil.repo
justusranvier: Your Portage tree should be in Git. If you want KDE packages in your Portage tree, then add the KDE team's repo and merge their branch into yours
justusranvier: There should be no portage overlays
mircea_popescu: and even there...
mircea_popescu: what i don't like is the poor crypto use.
justusranvier: I want Gentoo to ditch source tarballs entirely in favor of Git. It should be easy for a user to patch the source code of any package they run and have Portage handle merging changes from upstream
diametric: the AUR system provides PKGBUILD files were are similar to ebuilds.
justusranvier: I wanted them to cater more to developers, and make it even easier to dogfood your own packages
asciilifeform still has not forgiven the x11 to xorg clusterfuck
diametric: the closest i've come is archlinux.
asciilifeform wishes there was an alternative to gentoo, does not know of one
mircea_popescu: justusranvier actually some of the better pakcages compile clean and fast now
mircea_popescu: i diddle them all and love none asciilifeform
mircea_popescu: so what happened ot the overlays list ?
mircea_popescu: these people. gentoo - each day a surprise.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes the thiel-buterin thing.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know, the defectors weren't all that happy generally.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i certainly do not see such... piss in the chalice in byzantium... pissing i nthe chalice in rome << some of us might like a place to defect to (specifically defect, rather than gulag-break and run into taiga)
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ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> incidentally, it is shocking, outrageous but also very amusing to see just how copy-pasted the final days us is from the peak of romania. it's almost as if instead of the romanian idiots copying teh superior us businessmen, the reverse happened. << i'd love to hear more about this
RagnarDanneskjol: or should I reach out to them
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i just passed along your most recent naggum link to a group of ro kids to great benefit. you've contributed to the "propasirea culturala a neamului"
mircea_popescu: there's absolutely no way someone who supposedly makes 1ph cabinets also wants to rent mining power.
mircea_popescu: it looks quite scummy on the face, but i personally can';t be arsed to look into it. if you had a blog and the inclination to research you could prolly publish a decent article
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cazalla: slap on the wrist type stuff from memory
mircea_popescu: "DigitalBTC has technically been listed on the ASX since its reverse takeover and transformation of Macro Energy Limited back in March, but has pursued the extra legitimacy of its own listing since then, which required approval."
cazalla: well, the guy behind digital BTC got done here by the ACCC for mobile games, ringtones a few years back
mircea_popescu: "PeerNova is leading the innovation in peer to peer applications and platforms for the digital currency and e-commerce markets. Our expertise is in building and deploying world class, high performance hardware and software solutions at the lowest OpEx and CapEx."
cazalla: not heard of that one either
mircea_popescu: "BitVest Digital Mining Corp. selected PeerNova as its strategic hardware supplier after an extensive review process. PeerNova's PetaOne(TM) enterprise class bitcoin mining systems offer the best combination of power, efficiency and cost for BitVest's planned large scale deployment."
mircea_popescu: http://peernova.com/product/petaone-rack/ << so wait... these people both make miners and pay 450k to rent miners ?
cazalla: i only follow it because they're au based
mircea_popescu: "digital cc limited" is not exactly famous either.
cazalla: "Digital CC Limited (trading as digitalBTC)(ASX: DCC) (the Company or digitalBTC) is pleased to announce it has leased ~11% of its first generation mining capacity to PeerNova Inc., for an upfront payment of US$460,000."
BingoBoingo: I've always assumed the metallic ink on higher denomination US bills was to create X-ray shadows
mircea_popescu: pretty much the same fare.
mircea_popescu: decimation btw, here's a curio : while darwin published in 1956, there's a little book of anon fiction published in 1844, "Vestiges of the Natural History of Creation"
kakobrekla: not the scope of this discussion!
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla how would they know ?
kakobrekla: or the success rate is lower than 5.9%
BingoBoingo: I wonder if there is a dollar bill version of fast and furious, where Instead of ATF and guns the treasury just dumped a bunch of money on the cartels
mircea_popescu: they must be thinking of the billion and a half in bills the contractors took over to the taliban in iraq ?
mircea_popescu: Bulk cash smuggling damages our economy by removing billions of dollars from the commerce of the United States. "
mircea_popescu: i mean... "bitcoin, 100x larger than all the ice results in 2013" ?
BingoBoingo: I'm pretty sure this is why the ruskies used stamps
artifexd: TIL my wife is guilty of "bulk cash smuggling". I wonder if there is a reward.
ThickAsThieves: or maybe they just wanna vacation in EUR more
ThickAsThieves: which i guess means they wanna buy EUR?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Not at first. First it strengthens the Dinar, or whatever the fuck ISIS uses. Probably fucking Dogecoin.
ThickAsThieves: they gave a roadmap for EURUSD parity, and now it's happening
BingoBoingo: For all we know the USG might take a break from shorting BTC and send the Euro under the dollar tomorrow by telling Germany it lost their gold.
ThickAsThieves: now mpoe goes up, my theory is crap
mircea_popescu: the topic please read it and care because I have nothing else."
mircea_popescu: tely so), but the official version looks shakier with each year (by simple working of the poor quality of this kind of idiot's memory). The reason for pushing him out looks quaint as that guy in Belgium kept a girl in a basement or whatever, and that's how things work now, by comparison and recourse to derpmemory. Because we're living in fucking post-literate society among barbarians. Here is my very important fanon on
mircea_popescu: "The 40th anniversary of Ted Bundy's conviction just passed. The myths (not really, but we can call things anything, right?) around the crimes and their prosecution are many and deep (no reference required here). Like all bits of American (spurious, this is true of all history, but hey, gotta pander to the reader's "sentiment") history, there is the official version and the truth. We will never know the truth (delibera
mircea_popescu: abuses of power. Members of his team bugged an office? Heh, how simple. Bug the world like Bush-Obama. I have always been intrigued by Nixon's rise, fall and return like a rock star set to politics, and this is my current take on a unified theory of Watergate."
mircea_popescu: "The 40th anniversary of President Richard Nixon's resignation just passed. The myths around the Watergate scandal are many and deep. Like all bits of American history, there is the official version and the truth. We will never know the truth, but the official version looks shakier with each year. The reason for pushing him out looks quaint as our elected and unelected elite commit far more heinous acts and far greater
mircea_popescu: dude the volatility in this thing
mircea_popescu: xmj it's hirschman's idea, and it has been around since forever in the sense of the 70s.
mircea_popescu: xmj: asciilifeform: you're talking about the old dichotomy. exit or voice. << how the fuck are the 70s old!
mircea_popescu: i didn't think they had one. how did it go ?
jurov: dunno, i just think the ussr eugenics program was overdone
mircea_popescu: jurov well they kept the us mentally in check, so to speak. they're muppets in the fields of kansas, the best they can do is "we're better than x", very limited meanness. once no more x, there isn't a good reason not to patriot act all over the bed. i suppose that's the strongest reading of that.
jurov: stan apparently thinks ussr kept tejh us in check. now they're gone, usg destroys everything
mircea_popescu: it was a very enjoyable experience to piss in the chalice in byzantium, looking forward to pissing i nthe chalice in rome.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: this is why the death of ussr is a global calamity - even folks like jurov and mircea_popescu, who saw the underside of the colonial boot, might see the argument as to how << i certainly do not see such.
mircea_popescu: chetty: well at least thats a respectable excuse << every excuse is respectable to the one guy whose respect matters you know.
Duffer1: looks like everyone they sent to is in WoT, but i don't see some of the bigger names from this chan
kakobrekla: TheNewDeal you can do that yourself.
mircea_popescu: xmj: they have that elaborated there too <<, they being a lone guy who flatters himself that he's going to "continue" things he scarcely understands, from a purely theoretical perspective. because this works now, and the ample supply of tims and culwicks is somehow not self-defeating.
decimation: him. Washington insiders all acknowledge that the man who is still King in Washington has been dead for 32 years. Franklin D. Roosevelt's legacy lives on."
assbot: 28 Sherman: Unified Theory on Watergate
decimation: asciilifeform: that was the point of the blog: http://28sherman.blogspot.com/2014/08/unified-theory-on-watergate.html << "Despite Nixon's capture of the presidency, he learned where real power lay. In Haldeman's "Ends of Power", he writes ...by 1971 Nixon had realized he was virtually powerless to deal with the bureaucracy in every department of thegovernment... Civil servants, almost all liberal Democrats, would thumb their noses at
asciilifeform was fond of nixon for so long as knew the story about him - because there must have been something fundamentally good about the man if his fellow leeches threw him under the bus.
asciilifeform: doubt that there is anyone in usg that is empowered to use garotte << apparently they prefer limpet mines on auto and plane fuel tanks. perhaps they're also short on these ?
decimation: whatever one says about nsa, it's clear that the 'we protect computers & networks' section hasn't been doing much for the past 30 years
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decimation: asciilifeform: I doubt that there is anyone in usg that is empowered to use garotte wire within the us
xmj: asciilifeform: you're talking about the old dichotomy. exit or voice.
asciilifeform: decimation: that - or they're long under the control of soviet saboteurs like 'stirrup finder'
asciilifeform: decimation: world's laziest bureaucrats. perhaps they're out of duffel bags and garotte wire.
chetty: yeah at least 2 lions can argue over the carcass and leave the mice alone. One lion gets greedy
asciilifeform: no pepsi-chalkboard, no pepsi-cyclotron to the moribund 'coke.'
asciilifeform: this is why the death of ussr is a global calamity - even folks like jurov and mircea_popescu, who saw the underside of the colonial boot, might see the argument as to how
decimation: asciilifeform: in other words, invent an alternative reactor that doesn't suck?
decimation: asciilifeform: perhaps if you can't move away from the reactor, your next 'defense' is to understand how it works so that you can predict 'danger'
chetty: yeah but lately they been adding some not so invisible barbed wire
asciilifeform: chetty: the best fences - invisible. and have been 'up' for very long time.
chetty: better move fast, the fences are going up
asciilifeform: xmj: what kind of fate do you wish for the reactor
chetty: the 'we' seems to be a bunch of very annoying bureaucrats
decimation: I suspect it's particularly obvious to anyone who lived in the ussr
asciilifeform: the presumption of a totalitarian 'we' - that will 'fix things' once 'take control' - jumps straight out of the page.
asciilifeform: it is particularly entertaining, at least in limited dose, to read people whine about usg - the same people in whose heads it lives, of whom it is made in fact.
chetty: people seem to need religion, they drop one, they invent another, by a different name ..greenies for instance
asciilifeform: this generally works if opponent lives in a house usg has a habit, or otherwise might like, to set on fire - and could use pretext.
decimation: asciilifeform: as a Christian I find these 'godless anarcho-whatevers' to be amusing because they want to make usg into their god
asciilifeform: jurov: back when the 'rights' folks believed in god, they at least had a sound psychiatric reason for pretending to have the pocket neutron bomb without actually having it
jurov: it seems to me as some kkind of ultracalvinism... without religious adherence to these principles whole thing falls apart
decimation: asciilifeform: agreed. to me, rule under a wise king/baron/whatever is much more likely to approach their 'libertarian' ideals than statelessness
asciilifeform: jurov: i like to tell them, 'come back when you've invented a pocket neutron bomb that can be made from sticks and grass. until then, enjoy the state (tm) .'
asciilifeform: jurov: gotta love the american 'anarcho-something-alists' who prattle on about 'rights' and a grandiose 'we' who 'shall do' things.
decimation: right but then the next king takes over (usually with a different style), not an outbreak of anarchy-capitalism or whatever
decimation: asciilifeform: but that's effectively a capitulation to the idea that the permanent state is a necessity when humans live 'at scale'
decimation: of course one could also argue that the reason the french/roman aristocracy fell is because they sucked and had it coming
decimation: no, but my point is that destroying the structure of power typically empowers some megalomaniac to step in and fix things
mircea_popescu: or else the grachi
mircea_popescu: decimation but importantly, on the sort of populist grounds contemplated here,
decimation: yeah sylla pretty much put an end to the 'old republic
mircea_popescu: these are both bad examples.
decimation: jurov: that's true, they can always riot/subvert, etc, which ultimately puts a lid on the king's/noble's power
jurov: if they decide
jurov: decimation but they do have nanoslice of power regardless
mircea_popescu: and gauleiters, or for that matter bureaucrats of any persuasion, can never be the right people.
decimation: jurov: and I suspect that the solution was not to give every breathing biped a nanoslice of power
mircea_popescu: there's never going to be a solution for "all people", mind. what's at stake is for the solution to exist for the *right* people.
jurov: decimation dunno, in latin hungary there was always a struggle between a king and nobility
decimation: I blame the french.
decimation: jurov: certainly a few hundred years ago the major population centers of europe were ruled in a 'non-populist' way
mircea_popescu: if not, inamushc as it's the only thing that works, it works best anytime anywhere.
mircea_popescu: and until such a time, one breaks the hands of the opposition and beats it over the head with them until rendered.
mircea_popescu: jurov no, it works fine just as long as one has the upper hand.
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asciilifeform: !s you and the atomic bomb
mircea_popescu: and so there it goes.
asciilifeform: ^ sweeping masterwork on the subject
decimation: yeah they had a pretty close approximation to 'allodial rule'
asciilifeform: jurov: j.c.scott. 'the art of not being governed.'
jurov: actually, does anyone knows how hunters and gatherers stumbled upon this horrid idea of having a state?
mircea_popescu: armed ranchers. armed ranchers who weren'tfrom the ozarks, but had heard of the ozarks.
mircea_popescu: the key ingredient ?
decimation: ranchers in ungoverned lands just got together and figured out how to solve the problem of overgrazing/herd mixing, without any state involved
decimation: right? Guest: Government wasn't even a--close to Montana at the time these were formed, these were people saying, 'Gee, our cattle are mixing with one another and are breeding and maybe we don't want that. And if you put all your cattle where I put mine, there will be a tragedy of the commons.' "
decimation: mircea_popescu: there's a good story about that in the podcast link I put up yesterday: "But even without Russ's lectures, people began to recognize the potential for the Tragedy of the Commons. And quite quickly formed Cattlemans' Associations--the kind of thing that Elinor Ostrom would, you know, love to talk about; and I've talked about it with her. Russ: These are voluntary restrictions on the use of resources, not government,
mircea_popescu: this is the life of the "theoretician", ie, the guy living in an artificial environment surviving on "grants", and of the child (the prototype of all contemporary scientists - he writes grant applications for to study the new xbox)
mircea_popescu: now- this is exactly the thought process of your run of the mill us citizen, or otherwise socialist derp.
mircea_popescu: i mean i clearly recall ths experience where i was falling asleep, and my through process in the remainder part of the brain was "oh my god what if i don't know how to open the door anymore"
mircea_popescu: but also you know, many things that constitute th "reasonable" for they locked up into a tower / locked up into a 12yo body / locked away in that early phase of sleep melt away as ridiculous once the full mind is awake
mircea_popescu: decimation no, it's the direct effect of capitalism.
decimation: someone in the russian intel service decided that the 'useful idiots' on the left weren't so useful anymore
mircea_popescu: and conversely, once i'm about to invade the us, you can bet your sweet ass it will be to rectify ancient evils
mircea_popescu: who's about to invade the us on account of you know, it botching the bush election ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform join the crowd that has similar doubts about you know... bush's election.
mircea_popescu: these fuckwits couldn't qualify for a driver job for the classic propaganda spinners of a century ago
asciilifeform: i'm not even convinced that the ceremony where ua voted for 'independence' happened as advertised.