asciilifeform: ( there is also the fact that such a simple thing as addition with carry takes not 1 ADD instruction, but an entire http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ffa/hypertext/ch11/word_ops__adb.htm#36_13 orchestra )
asciilifeform: the other is that on iron such as certain ARM ( i have not yet investigated ~which~ ) , and ppc, and certain others, there does not even exist a constant-time MUL, and one is stuck with some variant of http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ffa/hypertext/ch11/w_mul__adb.htm#33_13 -- which really begs to be asmed, is riotously inefficient
asciilifeform: when i started ffa, i did not plan to bake any asm speedups at all. but there's 2 reasons to do it, eventually : one is that on e.g. x86/x64, getting the upper half of a word-sized multiplication, without asm, takes ~four~ MULs plus a buncha additions : http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ffa/hypertext/ch11/w_mul__adb.htm#95_14
ave1: I'll see if I can patch gcc and add an extra constraint to the asm statement
ave1: yes, but then you'll have to do stack gymnastics etc
asciilifeform: i.e. same thing i did with the C routines
asciilifeform: well there is also a 'put all asmism in a standalone .S and feed it to the linker' , for completeness
asciilifeform: i can't speak for other folx, but i dun expect to need this particularly soon, so there is time to unravel the puzzler
ave1: To be clear, the register pinning is in gcc
ave1: I've looked into the "constraints" code support in GCC (for x64), but I'm still in the spaghetti phase
asciilifeform: ave1: see if you can find what is the coad in gnat that exists on x64 but not arm64, re register pinning
asciilifeform: in the particular example of udp, a coupla extra MOV's won't make a diff speedwise (vs the latency of the nic) but this sorta thing will be ugly once we start writing kernel mods in ada / moving off unix entirely
ave1: syscalls only have one outgoing parameter, the errorcode (all other outs are through pointers)
ave1: I use it now for the recvfrom / sendto calls for x86_64
ave1: first work around is to have a bunch of mov instructions before the syscall
asciilifeform: ave1: depending on just how sad gcc turns out to be, may have to put the asm in a separate linkable .o and invoke it as if it were c lib
ave1: in C you can specify the register for a variable at definition time
ave1: arm has a lot more registers, but no constraints for these
ave1: this variable needs to be in the aex register etc
a111: Logged on 2018-11-13 05:14 deedbot: http://barksinthewind.com/2018/splitting-the-primary-and-the-sub-key-in-a-gnupg-keychain/ << BARKS IN THE WIND - Splitting the primary and the sub key in a gnupg keychain
mircea_popescu: phf impressive dance you got there.
mircea_popescu: and in other news, got a shipment of sprats. old riga, including pronouncements as to how kosher they are, in hebrew on the side.
diana_coman: fwiw I actually patched v.pl to use phf's vtools and it works absolutely fine; I guess I'll write-it up and publish the whole thing later today if nobody else does it
deedbot: http://barksinthewind.com/2018/splitting-the-primary-and-the-sub-key-in-a-gnupg-keychain/ << BARKS IN THE WIND - Splitting the primary and the sub key in a gnupg keychain
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: entire unixlike ecosystem has never afaik been anyffing other than africa.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hence the "made in america" comment. the america of africa, as much an america as any other america rite.
mircea_popescu: what, specifically, is the tag supposed to convey ? cuz it sure as fuck doesn't seem to be "we'll randomly change abis because why the fuck not, windowns power!"
phf: asciilifeform: well post your gnupg.py and i will at the very least look at the diff between the two. maybe their subkey strategy has changed
asciilifeform: ( i need specifically both vtrons to work on these boxen , with no systemwide modifications )
asciilifeform: but gotta find a pill, cuz right nao wheels turning in the mud
mircea_popescu: if it were a case of "phf why the fuck are you using non-v or non-tmsr or non-standard or non-something" it'd have legs. as it is it's "phf why didn't you intuit what's in the magic box under my bed" ?
asciilifeform: seems like the closest thing to a working keccak-vtron currently is phf's v98 tho
asciilifeform: i was able to regrind ffa today, using phf's vdiff, but atm cannot yet press and confirm that it actually presses to same thing as the classical
asciilifeform: phf: fwiw my orig v.py is pretty sad in several wellknown ways -- i'm not particularly attached to it, would happily take mod6's, if there were (did i miss??) a ver of it patched to work in keccak
phf: that's accidental. most people have been running mod6's v.pl, they also might've pulled the dependency back when v.py came out, of various __version__'s closer to the one you have, but not necessarily exact. i think your attachment to your code clouds your judgment!
asciilifeform: with all respect to phf -- it seems to me that he's the one with the nonstandard envir
asciilifeform: really, nobody ? why is it that nobody until phf's v98 felt inclined to change the routine, then ?
asciilifeform: i will not be answerable for a 3GB ball of shit, there aint even 1% of the necessary hrs to read it, left in my lifespan
phf: asciilifeform: you can also calm the fuck down, and post your version of gnupg, version 0.3.2, unsigned is fine, and we can figure out what the issue is. i'll look at the diff and see if 0.3.2 can be added to v.py as another file
asciilifeform went to strace to find what gpg binary it actually invokes, and oddly enuff no mentions of EITHER in strace output...
asciilifeform: so apparently gpg2ism is not the culprit
asciilifeform: phf: worx -- in the sense that no above eggog : but same result as previously, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/wmR7H/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no but how do you call it ? import gnupg ? and then gpg = ?
asciilifeform: loox like i'ma have to strip out the subkey garbage, and regenesis, 'v98-that-actually-worx'. unless phf has better idea.
asciilifeform: and yes it was originally my kludge. but the diff is, mine worked...
asciilifeform: phf: it will be even gnarlier, would have to parse the output somehow and essentially recreate all of python-gnupg ( wanna ? )
lobbesbot: phf: Sent 5 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> for that matter, it does same thing! with yours! pray tell how didja even test the v98 thing, on what.
asciilifeform: bvt: i am EXTREMELY reluctant to touch any of the portage knobs, these boxes are 'dried in amber' .
asciilifeform: ( alternatively, does anybody know how to control the gpg binary that python-gnupg sees ? )
bvt: if i manage to do something usable this weekend, i'll genesis that, otherwise i'll make an empty genesis and just outline the work i expect.
bvt: mircea_popescu: unfortunately i can't provide a timeline for the syscalls yet: between 19.11. and 07.12. i will have time for only very minor work, following logs, etc.
asciilifeform: can somebody plz confirm that v98 ( as it appears in http://barksinthewind.com/2018/vpy-updated-for-vtools/ ) actually worked somewhere ?
asciilifeform: i dun have any cuntoo boxes here yet. all of my dev machines run vintage gentoo, where the gpg that python-gnupg sees is gpg2 (cuz idjit portage pulled it in, long ago). asciilifeform's actual pgp-ing happens on diff machine, naturally, with 1.4.10 . but apparently phf's hack for subkeyism breaks the thing in this combo.
asciilifeform: tho i'm beginning to suspect the culprit :
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: !Q later tell phf for that matter, it does same thing! with yours! pray tell how didja even test the v98 thing, on what.
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-12 15:42 mircea_popescu: also, if you're going to overwrite your margins why have them.
bvt: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-12#1871478 << fixing/replacing the theme is on my todo list, however i still haven't fixed all the problems in wp-admin (png/jpg vs svg), so work on the theme will have to wait a bit.
bvt: i have also restored your comment in it's sane form. separating the < and > with spaces (s#<# < #) avoids html detection, though adapting one's habits to wp behavior is definitely not a solution.
bvt: diana_coman: i have updated the article with links to the logs. i confirm that using -std=gnu89 fixes the issue. -std=c89 -- does not.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-06 14:31 diana_coman: I'll soon do the regrind of eucrypt to move it on to keccak hashes; my plan is to keep the patches precisely as they are otherwise (i.e. including NO manifest until I actually added it at the end); the way I see it, it's just a swap-in-place of one hash for another; if anyone sees this sort of thing differently - since I'm hmmm,first to regrind a big project? - yell now !
mircea_popescu: and yes, i recall the "what is alphabetic order" wtf
asciilifeform: imho if the franks, or the visigoths, want diff sorting order when alphabetizing, they oughta have proclaimed a FSCII and VGSCII etc
asciilifeform: ( observe, the WHOLE fucking problem ascii standard was meant to solve, quietly got 'reopened' by the unitards )
phf: i think locale based collation for en or us or whatever puts some punctuation marks into odd positions. "gratuitous" i believe is the word, that is we couldn't figure out the sense behind it
asciilifeform: originally i was gonna simply regrind ( by running through new vdiff ) ch1-11, and invite reader to hand-diff if he likes and see that only hashes have changed. but then noticed that the new vdiff also processes files in different order, so this won't give clean 'only hashes' diff. so thinking, may as well retrofit manifest to each of ch1-11
asciilifeform in the process of keccakizing ffa, hence practical q
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: quite unrelatedly, what's your recommended formula for 'manifest' in keccak regrinds ? ( i.e. to retrofit manifest to ancient stuff, or only to latest v cut of it ? and with current blockheight, or to somehow estimate the one at the time of original publication ? )
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in other perhaps-contentious-yet-barely-relevant obscura, http://trilema.com/2015/the-fetlife-meatlist-volume-v/#comment-127007
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-12#1871477 - that was just another rsa key in the tests; meanwhile fixed once and for all, properly i.e. http://ossasepia.com/2018/11/04/smg-comms-chapter-6-packing-and-unpacking-rsa/comment-page-1/#comment-4457
mircea_popescu: amusingly, ballas sorta-kinda sees parts of the issue ("it is not that i am interested, i perceive it is important and therefore i force myself to be interested" ), but vehehehery safely limited to things like "reading the economist" and such.
asciilifeform: fwiw asciilifeform's progenitors were matched up via the above algo
mircea_popescu: rather.
asciilifeform: of course they'd try
mircea_popescu: ha. you know they tried this on me, kinda ?
mircea_popescu: the necessary correlate of "we'll be rich and powerful with '''service industry''' ie doing each other's laundry" is "we'll be rich and powerful with '''service industry''' ie dancing in the street for nickles".
mircea_popescu: he's right, after a fashion, the way that place's going...
mircea_popescu: also, there's a bum outside your residence somewhere, who similarily thinks, "alf has not yet heard the good word, will soon be a bum too".
mircea_popescu: and you'll marry and live your life out with who the fuck we choose cuz you're too stupid to choose, and you'll go into the line we choose because idem, and you'll love who the fuck and what the fuck you're supposed to, not "feel like". because the "feel like" is entirely "going by your gut", and the problem with guts is that they're fulla shit.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform all things. see ? that's the fucking point. from boots to "want of a nail" to "keep your household in order and the women in line and the children doing their fucking work" and so on. all the fucking way.
mircea_popescu: whereas power lines actually invented by zee germans, by which term we denote the prussians, by which term we denote the "militarist" tendency which the mutinous kiel sailor and "broad elements" of the weimar republic "agreed with the consensus" should "have no place in germany".
asciilifeform: picture if an accountant were to walk into an ameri-board with tally of the ~actual~ cost of running winblowz.
mircea_popescu: these two sum to ~99.99999% of "modern progress and democracy"
mircea_popescu: the entire us "tech" industry is built out of unaccounting and malacounting.
asciilifeform: power co.'s calculate resistive losses on high voltage lines, but for some peculiar reason no one (afaik) ever tallies up the real-life cost of this idjicy.
asciilifeform: they were meant to be terminal and link control chars. i.e. exactly analogous to what html abuses < , >, &, for
asciilifeform: and yes i know 'why' they aint used : 'but oh oh, what if someone is on a SLIP modem!11'
asciilifeform: or fughet even 8th bit, there's 32 control chars in ascii ! and space, nl, tab, del, ff, and null, account for only 6 !
asciilifeform: why not use that 8th bit of the byte for something actually constructive...
a111: Logged on 2018-11-12 15:44 mircea_popescu: known "bug" of sorts, in the sense of frustrating behaviour, but no known way to fix other than "do not use single angle brackets in text" / "do not use magic letters with metasyntactic meanings". as html already fucked the pig on the latter score...
mircea_popescu: no, it'd be the same thing.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-12 12:13 bvt: also, i think that pushing gcc-6 patches to frozen system (mpi) defeats the purpose of the standard republican compiler, so the post and vpatch is more of
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-12#1871477 << gnat dun truncate lines. he gets the 'too long' warning because he cribbed my gpr config
mircea_popescu: alternatively "auto-process as text comments that don't have any > in them", but then it still bites as you could have a link and a log-style << and so on.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i wondered in the past why blog comment boxes never come with 'post as txt' / 'post as htm' buttons
mircea_popescu: known "bug" of sorts, in the sense of frustrating behaviour, but no known way to fix other than "do not use single angle brackets in text" / "do not use magic letters with metasyntactic meanings". as html already fucked the pig on the latter score...
a111: Logged on 2018-11-12 12:10 bvt: i'll check wtf is wrong with the comments system
a111: Logged on 2018-11-12 11:15 diana_coman: and ugh, bvt , your wp ate part of my comment! there was more between "used by gcc 4.9" and " they want. " wtf
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-12#1871441 / http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-12#1871446 << did you have a single angle bracket at the point of eating ? because if you did, it ate the ~rest~ of the comment as an unclosed html tag. which, if you think about it, it has to do, in order to be able to process html tags in comments at all.
mircea_popescu: also, if you're going to overwrite your margins why have them.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-30 02:34 BingoBoingo: Also December 7, 8, and 9th will be the expocannabis Uruguay. I plan on going there in a recon capacity, if anyone else is looking for a very Uruguay reason to visit Uruguay, that would be the weekend to come on down.
mircea_popescu: and speaking of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-30#1867509 : perhaps this is just the ticket mod6 , take a few days / a week off whatever, ~BY YOURSELF~. so you can fucking think. go hang out with BingoBoingo , fuck some latino whores, get drunk once or twice... these are the mainstay "i'm in a paper bag how do i get out" methods since time immemorial for a fucking reason.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-11 00:36 BingoBoingo: And on this note at the end of the month girl will be visiting her Tía in Argentina. Anyone have shopping list items they want investigated?
a111: Logged on 2018-11-12 11:22 diana_coman: I suppose it's the gcc >4.9 that made it eat up the whole part as "html"
a111: Logged on 2018-03-28 20:02 phf: this gnulib solution actually wants you to define FOO_INLINE, which is set to "inline" when defined, and "extern inline" when used, so you can't even avoid the #define hackery with "extern inline". "Other non-C99 compilers use static inline so they suffer from code bloat, but they are not mainline platforms and will die out eventually."
diana_coman: aha; in any case, it's better written there so next person stumbling into this precise issue can be pointed at it and not waste any time at all
bvt: also, i think that pushing gcc-6 patches to frozen system (mpi) defeats the purpose of the standard republican compiler, so the post and vpatch is more of
bvt: i'll check wtf is wrong with the comments system
bvt: diana_coman: ah, i see. if the c89 vs c99 is the issue, than this vpatch takes the wrong approach, and something along the lines of http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/o7yc9/?raw=true would work better
diana_coman: bvt, a recovered full version of the comment: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/d9iWn/?raw=true
diana_coman: and ugh, bvt , your wp ate part of my comment! there was more between "used by gcc 4.9" and " they want. " wtf
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: after i find these two roots, i would gladly serve and spreadsheetize this into the pizarro mysql/mp-wp
BingoBoingo: The thing got unnavigable fast
BingoBoingo: Kinda why I'm excited about breaking down and killing the legacy notes file
ben_vulpes: viewport was way down in the ledgers.
ben_vulpes: ah it's in the shared notes, i see.
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Here's where I was before the blocking cash account issue emerged http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/SkdEN/?raw=true
BingoBoingo: It's an experiment. I'd rather test auctionbot on something other than Pizarro criticals, and if it turns out there's substantial bidder interest in S.QNTR maybe it baits some more submissions from The Lordship and the honorable L2.
BingoBoingo: Pray the auction winner is willing to settle in BTC, or see if Eulora has a text client. In the worst case locally source or junkyard wars a Eulorable machine.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I do not yet. Last I looked into trying eulora the Nvidia 'cg' binary dependency was blocking
trinque: "this is a real person, proved not by our marketing blather but by link straight to the man's letters"
trinque: I didn't know it was offline, but at any rate, would make the mention of "remote hands" a hell of a lot more meaningful
BingoBoingo: trinque: Linking to the blog is pointless until I bring the blog online again. It's on the top of tomorrow's do list
BingoBoingo: And in other local news as I decompress the brain for sleep, locals keep telling me the pichis aren't the center of Uruguaya culture and yet, the paper of record publishes too much about them https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/la-ciudad-de-los-indigentes-2018119195210
BingoBoingo: Prior to September 7th, zero Pizarro Bitcoin was in the deedbot wallet. The payment of the Foundation colo invoice was the first Pizarro transaction outside of payments as a customer/wildcatter. Outside of deedbot I am holding 0.20113128 BTC Pizarro carryover BTC from the BBISP days.
mircea_popescu: who the fuck is this macaron anyway.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Will test later tonight. Feel free to enjoy the meat
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Will do in a bit, got some news of the world to cover
asciilifeform: boot up yer rk, BingoBoingo , and then http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/abcAC/?raw=true and lemme know.
asciilifeform: recall that kernel dun live on the hd
asciilifeform: btw BingoBoingo didja ever get the iptables kernel ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It is the only usb drive plugged in
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/heres-something-you-probably-see-more-often-than-theres-any-need-to/ << Trilema - Here's something you probably see more often than there's any need to
BingoBoingo: Crisis management today meant missing the weekly Feria round trip walk
asciilifeform: make sure plox that it's the only drive plugged into dulap
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'll take the standard F image. Will walk over now to place the drive and ping when I get back. Will move imaged drive to the Rockchip during a later walk.
asciilifeform: lemme know if you wanna do it yerself or the classic way.
BingoBoingo will head to the datacenter to get Rockchip drive imaged per earlier dispatch
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I expect the minutiae to be ready within the week. I'd like to get some punch list stuff out of the way.
asciilifeform: i suppose they were right next to the worx of shakespeare and the amd launch coadez!11
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I just plucked 12 character strings outta the soup
a111: Logged on 2018-11-11 22:15 BingoBoingo: It's just FUCKGOATS output used for the IDs per the alf suggestion
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-11#1871342 << out of curiosity, BingoBoingo , didja simply strip off the 8th bit or wat, howdidja make'em
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-11#1871331 << loox great. next step will be to get all of the 'and then i got bitten by tsetse fly and then bought 3 hdd' minutiae published
ben_vulpes: in addition to the furnace door being taped on and the dishwasher motor being burned out, the washing machine drain hose is trying to wiggle itself free today.
mod6: I've been doing some chores here, I gotta run away again and do more. :/ ben_vulpes, if you have another Q, just ping me.
BingoBoingo: But, kind of a benefit of putting the information in the light is that this stuff gets spotted
mod6: BingoBoingo: Looks good! The November 2018 link for the price point goes to the wrong log entry.
mod6: Alright, beginning with 2018-07-15, all transactions in my ledger are Pizarro transactions. Nothing personal in there after that date (where ben_vulpes sent me the funds).
a111: Logged on 2018-11-11 20:22 ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo mod6: are there any non-pizarro transactions in the ledger outputs that i have from both of you?
diana_coman: pretty much that: if it's so ugly that you can't handle it sanely, then either fix it or, failing that, use Ada's Streams since that's what they are for anyway.
asciilifeform: not outside the unix subsystem's stdio anyway
asciilifeform: when i have the choice, i'd rather write proggy to need no such cassettes ( observe, streams are not used in ffa )
asciilifeform: outside of that context, it is imho harmful abstraction, only gets in the way
asciilifeform: if you have a 'cassette' that contains some unknown number of variably-sized gibblets, e.g. bitcoin block, yer stuck with some form of stream (either ada's, or hand-sewn replacement, tho so far i am actually happy with ada's and see no need to sew replacement)
asciilifeform: diana_coman: it's the correct model for ~some~ devices
asciilifeform: i also used stream subclass to give automagic 'hash all the bytes that go through this wire' thing
asciilifeform: ( there's nuffin magic about 'stream' per se, it's just a thing that eats and shits bytes and has an internal fill-position counter )
asciilifeform: i used 'stream'ism where it actually made sense to do so, i.e. where otherwise would be stuck kludging together an adhoc reimplementation of stream
diana_coman: ah, I see it; I did look and I saw you used both but I couldn't confidently identify the decision as to where one and where the other
asciilifeform: diana_coman: the 'not worth writing 500 ln so that record can be eaten/shat in 1 line' formulation
asciilifeform: ( had stream-powered serializer-deserializer for the 'varint' type, errything else did diana_coman-style )
asciilifeform: diana_coman: fwiw it's exactly where i ended up drawing the line in 'nqb'
diana_coman: perhaps if the structures and protocol were way hairier than they there, the gains would be worth it - but in such case I'm not sure it wouldn't point to a need to simplify rather than a need for streams or some such
diana_coman: re are still all those parts that are anyway no concern of upper layers (e.g. crc, padding) so there is still some part that has to walk the thing component-by-component anyway. The more I look at it, the more I get the impression that the idea of "serialize in 1 statement the whole stuff" is not worth pushing beyond simple types (i.e. yes, serialize in one line unsigned_32 but not the whole content of one message)
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-10#1870705 -> the more I think of this, the less I see the case for it: essentially I don't think the serialization part should really be that important that it forces upstream to deal with fixed-size records only sort of thing. Also, for the case at hand, it's basically unclear that the gain is worth it anyway: yes, fixed-size (i.e. max-size) record means one can do the serialization of that directly but the
ben_vulpes: i'm walking from july forward, comparing cash position on the pizarro book at the end of each month to cash held for pizarro in both of your accounts, want to ensure that i'm not rolling any personal transactions into the calculations.
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo mod6: are there any non-pizarro transactions in the ledger outputs that i have from both of you?
asciilifeform: ( originally calendar'd today to be spend in mathematical torture room, but this takes precedence )
asciilifeform: the complete set of raw inputs, really
BingoBoingo: <mod6> BingoBoingo: don't forget to send those invoices when you get a chance today. << Since I am elbow deep in the customer information today, I plan to fire off the invoices as soon as things are polished up.
asciilifeform aiming to grasp the correct end of this knife..
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Most of what's left is continuing down the list and doing good old fashioned janitor work
BingoBoingo: Update: I have hit a groove on a consistent style for the customer account information. I am going to stretch the legs and look for some non-chocolate food soon. For a preview, here is the style as applied to the S.MG and S.NSA accounts - http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/mVzN6/?raw=true
asciilifeform: mod6: i'ma work with BingoBoingo + ben_vulpes to get the spreadshit aligned & published; mod6 meanwhile srsly spend some time in a hammock
mod6: Yeah, I recall. There's just no more to give, presently.
asciilifeform: mod6: it's in the l0gz, recall, mircea_popescu was getting ready to tear off my epaulettes
asciilifeform: mod6: pour less, or rather, with less strain to health
mod6: asciilifeform: I'll take some time, but in all honesty, I think Mr. Popescu has it on all accounts. I don't even think he wants to be right on this one, yet he is. And presently, there is nothing I can do to pour myself into the Republic, Foundation, or Pizarro more than I currently am. And at this level of commitment, is harmful to all.
asciilifeform: aaand it's summer there nao.
asciilifeform: mod6: take sabbatical if you must , but plox to rethink 'i'ma quit errything', you did the work of 6 men, and we're quite short of hands as it is
mod6: In my mind, the Republic isn't just a bunch of individuals - at the low level, of course, we are. But we're here for something greater than ourselves, and that is what drives all of us to put time and money into.
mircea_popescu: dunno that these two can be distinguished. there's really no whole outside of teh individuals involved.
mod6: Yeah, I'll think it over, Sir. But, my main objective is to do what is best for the whole, instead of the individual.
mod6: The same goes with the Foundation, new leadership is required. This means that I will not be within the lordship anymore, but better that, than dishonor.
mod6: So I think the correct thing to do here is to step-down from the Pizarro board, let someone else direct and lead the company to glory, as opposed to the back pages of tardstalk.
mod6: I will take some time to think it over, but this past year has taken a tremendous toll on my physical and mental health. I'm not doing right by myself, my family or the republic. I always said that I wanted to do the Republic as my main thing in life (outside family), but as I've said before, we're just not quite there yet.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-11 14:02 asciilifeform: the 1 open q is whether mod6 will continue as treasurer, presently he is the only 1 with access to the coins + the realtime tx history which powers the spreadshit
mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-11#1871031 << I will not. I will send the remaining Pizarro coins in my deedbot wallet to BingoBoingo today.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-11 13:48 mircea_popescu: and in the same vein : if i lose my fucking carkeys, my "prospective plan for carkey finding" doesn't read ANYTHING like "day 1 : look for carkeys ; day 2 : look for carkeys ; day 3 : look for carkeys ; day 4...".
a111: Logged on 2018-11-11 13:33 mircea_popescu: you're a good man, and i trust you, and i know as a matter of fact my trust's not misplaced. we absolutely have to either adjust you to the tasks you have or the tasks you have to you, however, because there's simply no way to maintain trustworthyness on the long haul while capacity-activity mismatch is ongoing.
mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-11#1870995 << Thank you for saying as much, what I've learned from the Republic can not be ever measured. I agree with the point, however.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-11 13:33 mircea_popescu: can you ~believe~ how much like something you'd read on tardstalk "investments" your workproduct ends up ?! and this in 2018 ? why, because you've been secretly saving it through a time capsule, insulated from review, all this time ?! god almighty, last thing i want is the yahoo peterl-ism of 2013 perpetuated a second past the end of that year.
mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-11#1870994 << Having been there myself since '11 and all of the scams, believe me, this is the last thing that I wanted.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-11 13:33 mircea_popescu: . on the short term you'll have to take some time off and think long and hard and in all seriousness about what you want from this life, because continuing on your present course can't possibly bring much beyond disaster.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-11 13:33 mircea_popescu: the "sad" news, from this perspective (though it is boldly and fundamentally the exact opposite of sad) is that no, there isn't any "return to the grand old days" on the table. ~emphatically~ not. bitcoin ain't going back to spending a summer at 2 dollars a coin ; and consequentlly you're not going back to being the mod6 of 2013 on ten hours a week and lukewarm committment.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-11 13:32 mircea_popescu: you can't really be the head of the foundation as a guy who monthly publishes a page of .txt on a website somewhere ; you can't really be the board of the isp as a guy who comes up with http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-05#1858303 and http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-05#1839737 and http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-31#1846185 and http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-13#1825070
mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-11#1870981 << You're right, I'm trying to be objective here, I'm not doing a good job on either.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-11 13:32 mircea_popescu: it seems to me inescapably the case that you have not been putting either enough time or enough thought into this, and continuing in like manner for year upon year. the inescapable result was accumulation, of exactly the wrong kind : every day you personally grew a little smaller than your image in the forum, and compensating for the difference drew, as any other credit, upon your capacities to service, until eventually the g
mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-11#1870978 << I appreciate you taking the time to think on it, Sir.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> but i will add, e.g. rk draws (and emits as heat naturally) ~7watt on a bad day. << On this note new heavy metal rockchip drives were still cool to the touch when I visited the rack yesterday
asciilifeform: imho it is entirely feasible , in principle, to bake these such that a usg.thief (or whatever other species) wins only a few hundy's worth of rusty irons, if he steals.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-11 16:52 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-11#1871149 << before that little subthread gets entirely lost in the cacophony of the moar urgent matters : mircea_popescu i also suspect that even without radio etc exotica, gossiptronic routing would give ~same connective reliability to e.g. a flat in kamchatka with 3 heathen isp pipes, as actual dc cage has today
a111: Logged on 2018-11-11 16:00 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> prior to pizarro, i pictured 'tmsr isp' as a moar 'noncontact' item, where heathen contract is signed and robotic 'bring server into gossip net' item is installed immediately. but FG / we-want-custom-irons etc changed this picture << This and those surprise power cycling of dulap I/II (I forget the dulap version history)
asciilifeform: after that we use'em as handle in the spreadshit to refer to his acct.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-11#1871158 << it isn't clear to me that hashing is even needed -- issue to each customer a 256bit string (base64 it) out of a FG, that will be his pseudonym in the public spreadshit.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> i'll admit to having had this problem in the past, i read so much l0gz that they work into dreams when i sleep << My worst nighmares have involved text scrolling in a window
asciilifeform: and the duct tape replaced with proper steel welds.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: lol i dun need 'eased', i'ma be happy when the bug is fixed.
ben_vulpes: i could dig up the reams of satoshi-addition on my eng pad if it would ease your mind
asciilifeform: i'll admit to having had this problem in the past, i read so much l0gz that they work into dreams when i sleep
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: if you swear there aint one, i'ma believe, because i so far have turned up no trace of it in my own records
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i betcha you're conflating my confusion in http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-04#1809642 with there being a program written.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-11#1871149 << before that little subthread gets entirely lost in the cacophony of the moar urgent matters : mircea_popescu i also suspect that even without radio etc exotica, gossiptronic routing would give ~same connective reliability to e.g. a flat in kamchatka with 3 heathen isp pipes, as actual dc cage has today
asciilifeform: i'ma crib a method from mircea_popescu : ben_vulpes how long do ya think you need to say ~whether you have info~ for us to work with
ben_vulpes: i'm thinking that i actually want to rerun the numbers at sept, because i was damned certain that everything was kosher at that point.
asciilifeform: what i specifically want to avoid, is the scenario where we 'ok ben_vulpes fix' and then month later we're moar-phucked
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: if you suspect the eggog was on your watch... do you think you can get the correct #s today ?
a111: Logged on 2018-11-11 04:16 mod6: Ok, so I'm gonna call it a night. What I do know at this point is the ``surplus'' that we're seeing in the statements goes back at least through the August report. However, I'm not even certain at this point if what I'm seeing is actually incorrect, as I said earlier. Or if I just don't understand what I'm looking at. There's a strong chance that I just don't understand it.
ben_vulpes: footsoldiering task for me: regrind financials from april forward, april being the second-to-last time i audited cash held against statement claims (last time was before handoff to mod6, the correctness of which mod6 apparently doubts per http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-11#1870970 )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo, mod6 either of you remember this existing ? did cosmic ray hit asciilifeform's head ??
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: never existed. i tabulated in org-mode and did all of the calculations by hand.
mircea_popescu: there's something here.
ben_vulpes: ~bedtime until ~midnight by memory), then at least another four to check my results, which frequently included mistakes like mis-markings of which services which customers had paid for and for how long.
ben_vulpes: it may be an 0.3s job to you or one of the ladies that you've trained. every time i sat down to categorize the list of incoming/outgoing into cash account vs customer equity; depreciate the hardware; walk the customer list to determine how much to debit the customer equity line; calculate the value of the btc and uyu i spent about eight hours on it in i estimate in retrospect two four hour shifts (from
mircea_popescu: i certainly can see the narrative that goes "first, the task was to add 6 and 8 and 11 ; then ben_vulpes wanted to take some hours to print out an adhesive 25 to paste on a box we'd therefore call computer ; then mod6 took a few days to complicatedly add by hand to 24 and 26 and so on". it's still a 0.3 second job, harsh mistress experiences notwithstanding.