mircea_popescu: (i also have a bet with some unfriendly parties as to whether that film' gonna be criminal insanity or not, but that's a different story)
mircea_popescu: im curious who's gonna be the first b-a alumn to become famous in an unrelated field.
ThickAsThieves: <+mircea_popescu> it's a sf story about how the exposure to fractals make brains pop. /// a couple weeks ago i was charting for hours on end, using fib spirals and picking apart fractal patterns, and this repeating melody started in my head, not a song i knew, just a sequence. It was there for a day or two. First time I was musically inspired in a while.
nubbins`: sci-fi eye on the straight guy
mircea_popescu: so for some inexplainable reason 93% of all the comment spam sent to trilema has to do with bags
nubbins`: snow crash, same idea but novel-length and w/ language rather than sight
mircea_popescu: it's a sf story about how the exposure to fractals make brains pop.
nubbins`: go visit a bughouse and tell me none of those people recreated the damagingly illogical :D
nubbins`: ah, in the normal run of events, sure.
mircea_popescu: it's a biological protection on the level of "dead by holding his own breath", except implemented in nature rather than in the body.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anyway, the close is flawed. the mind can not on its own recreate the damagingly illogical. this is pretty much the largest most important safety we have.
nubbins`: i feel like there's loot to be made with one of those bitcoin ATMs here, but i also feel like i can't be fucked to manage an ATM
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anyway, the fundamnetal idea is sound. if one could weaponize idiocy at will one wouldn't need any further wishes from the djinn.
nubbins`: why in the fuck do i know all this?
nubbins`: in fact, both were bred from an animal called the St. John's Water Dog
nubbins`: besides, the aboriginal people in this province are generally innu; you'd have to go a lot farther for inuit
mircea_popescu: cazalla lol speaking tours. this is roughly the equivalent of the plague, don't envy a man his misery.
mircea_popescu: YOU FUCKEM ATE THEM DIDNT YOU
nubbins`: it's only with the advent of higher temperatures that we've mellowed. 10 years ago i woulda had the guy surgically attached to the kitchen counter
mircea_popescu: no wonder all the eskimos are gone with only some scroungy inuit left
nubbins`: mircea_popescu the climate made us this way
mircea_popescu: you wanna seal the deal by breaking a guy's legs ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "computer monitor of better than 600 x 300 pixels resolution." pandering to the new ega displays i see ? :D
assbot: My November speaking tour is coming together: LA, Sydney, Melbourne, Auckland, Queenstown
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nubbins`: related: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/food-and-wine/food-trends/jeremy-charles-canadas-real-top-chef/article20495580/
nubbins`: i just want to seal the deal
xmj: nubbins`: alternatively you could -ask- them
nubbins`: current plan is to injure his legs and confine him to the kitchen here
nubbins`: one of 'em just got a job at canada's top restaurant, which is, conveniently, just a short tumble down the hill from here
nubbins`: so i've got these two new roomies
mircea_popescu: o hey, there's something for xmj https://bitcointa.lk/threads/popescud-need-not-be-a-verb-nor-a-discussion-all-say-aye-say-aye-aye.286274/
fluffypony: we haven't really pursued that idea, the nice charters are very expensive per-person even if we fill the plane
RagnarDanneskjol: nice. so are you staying in BA for the forseeable future (not that its any my business)
mircea_popescu: that's why that bot command is so handy. easy to miss things in the deluge.
empyex: mircea_popescu: Next conference starts in 7 months and 7 days. Estimated cost today: 2.76775979 BTC (Details: http://trilema.com/2014/the-conference-third-edition/ )
mircea_popescu: you coming for the $conference incidentally ?
mircea_popescu: lol this guy. hey RagnarDanneskjol is there something you won't try to do ? :D
mircea_popescu: o, in the monthly report ?
chetty: mircea_popescu, said there should be a gribble npc ...
mircea_popescu: ie, i'll need another bot after that one
mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol ima wait for delivery on that other thing first, and i have a queue there anyway.
mircea_popescu: that's what github'd be doing, if it weren't wasting its time with imbecile females vying for attention the only way imbecile females know how.
mircea_popescu: as a v0.1. then for v0.2 of this, have an actual crypto signed procedure where everyone who reads a line of code signs and it's wot-abble this.
mircea_popescu: other than proper cryptography for all foss, as discussed coupla days re gentoo overlays etc, i would fucking love for all lines of code to come with a counter.
fluffypony: xmj: afair this is used in the PoW, so it uses openaes for speed
mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud: So shock therapy is old? << just about contemporaneous with electricity itself.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: re: 100hz - i do lean towards the soviet hypothesis that at least a third of the sleep cycle is a vestigial waste of time. <<< why ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: Oh, apparently the brain electricity stuff for sleep et al is being commercialized << well of course, everything's being commercialised, from cow piss (redbull) to an app to prove you're rich. dun really much matter if it works, as long as someone somewhere thought of it, it's available to buy.
xmj: there's plenty of people who could answer it
fluffypony: also the original oaes_lib author seems to eschew modernising it, so we may dump it completely at some stage rather than bother
fluffypony: xmj: so oaes_lib uses ftime() like a retard, and we don't have spare contributors to rewrite the two places its used to rather use gettimeofday - is there anything particularly wrong with using -lcompat for the moment till we can see to that?
RagnarDanneskjol: http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/industry-and-economy/banking/sbi-launches-multicurrency-international-card/article6390903.ece
RagnarDanneskjol: its the first I'd heard anything definitive about bitcoin-paypal
cazalla: "Bitcoin prices have swung between more than $US900 to as low as $US341 this year as enthusiasts try to address the digital currency's weaknesses, persuade consumers to embrace it and overcome governments' concerns that it could be misused by criminals. " ok lol
asciilifeform: kakobrekla, BingoBoingo: i remembered the american firm that made electrocranial something-or-others - 'alpha-stim.' but i never tried or even saw their gadget - and, a bit dubious, smells a little of spam.
The20YearIRCloud: so how's the exchange doing?
asciilifeform: now with anaesthetics, so no more picturesque screaming madman in straps
asciilifeform: 10-100x the current.
asciilifeform: 'shock therapy' is entirely different affair
The20YearIRCloud: So shock therapy is old?
asciilifeform: re: 100hz - i do lean towards the soviet hypothesis that at least a third of the sleep cycle is a vestigial waste of time.
asciilifeform: i once set about building this one too - but life got in the way.
asciilifeform: the machines are now ubiquitous
asciilifeform: at this point there's probably a 'for dummies'
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: last i checked - none that had predictive power (i.e. worth bothering with.)
kakobrekla: since we are still on a brain frying subject, is there any explanation to why 100-200hz is the shit
BingoBoingo: Well, introduced into the US with approvals recently
BingoBoingo: Oh, apparently the brain electricity stuff for sleep et al is being commercialized https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cranial_electrotherapy_stimulation
asciilifeform never heard of a 'clinkle' before - and guesses that it might be a service which lets you nominate people for the clink.
assbot: The Volga Boatmen - sung by Paul Robeson - YouTube
ThickAsThieves: We won't allow placing sell-stop orders at a price above that of the user's buy-limit orders.
ThickAsThieves: We won't allow placing buy-limit orders at a price below that of the user's sell-stop orders.
ThickAsThieves: We won't allow placing buy-limit orders at 20% or more below the market price.
ThickAsThieves: <+mircea_popescu> 10:1 this and 13:1 that ThickAsThieves ? srsly nao. // is that the 10000btcusd bet odds vs the 31b diff bet odds?
mircea_popescu: "This was their part of town; the women flocked there each morning, twittering in their saris like bright alien canaries."
gribble: Milwaukee protocol - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milwaukee_protocol>; Failure of the Milwaukee Protocol in a Child With Rabies: <http://cid.oxfordjournals.org/content/53/6/572.full>; Rabies may not be the invincible killer we thought - health - 21 June ...: <http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn20593-rabies-may-not-be-the-invincible-killer- (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: apparently there was a case of a symptomatic rabies patient that survived.
asciilifeform read this many years ago, and wondered if anyone tried the obvious next step
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i vaguely recall an experiment from the '70s where everyone who was placed in apparatus had seizure. from ordinary flash lamp - but not at the familiar 20hz which sets off known sufferers
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: actually, there's a way.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, temporal lobe is where most of the electical dysfunctions happen in most forms of epilepsy.
asciilifeform: (there's a commercial product in usa with earclips, forget which.)
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Current through the temporal lobes alone likely has undesirable side effects
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: for the latter, i never found a satisfactory setting where i could pronounce the old papers - replicated. but the usual idea is to set 100-200 Hz, square wave (some insist sinusoid instead), constant current (not constant voltage) output, and ramp up from zero.
kakobrekla: ah sorry i thought that got cleared out. the current through brain.
kakobrekla: still curious about the values, ascii?
mircea_popescu: now listen here kako. i can live with the cardano taking forever. but bitbet gotta stay online.
kakobrekla: <assbot> Logged on 07-02-2014 18:15:28; asciilifeform: confession: at one point when i was younger, i did succumb to the temptation to replicate various soviet experiments and put current through my brain. < looks like it worked wonders
assbot: Logged on 07-02-2014 18:15:28; asciilifeform: confession: at one point when i was younger, i did succumb to the temptation to replicate various soviet experiments and put current through my brain.
mircea_popescu: anyway. experimentally it's pretty close, and when coupled with the subjectivistor inside the subject's skull it works fine.
mircea_popescu: so you only use it on feminist chicklets that think the cunt is an ideal material.
asciilifeform: salt water is great for electric chair, where the action is over in minutes, but useless here. use the green gel that is sold for eeg machines.
mircea_popescu: o btw, did i ever tell you how i illustrated the concept of current as a thing to bright young minds ?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: looks quite like their smallest 'ipod' product, but with straps on.
mircea_popescu: i think it's a star trek trope this, the magic watch
mircea_popescu: o, they launched a new isomething ?
devthedev: Who knows? The device seems pretty feature rich though.
BingoBoingo: Apple naming is retarding, what the fuck is up with a watch, watch edition
asciilifeform: he felt in his mouthotherwise the straps around his throat would break his neck. Thats cotton wool? asked the Traveler and bent down. Yes, it is, said the Officer smiling,feel it for yourself.''
asciilifeform: ''There are straps for the hands here, for the feet here, and for the throat here, to tie him in securely. At the head of the bed here, where the man, as I have mentioned, first lies face down, is this small protruding lump of felt, which can easily be adjusted so that it presses right into the mans mouth. Its purpose is to prevent him screaming and biting his tongue to pieces. Of course, the man has to let t
asciilifeform: beautiful comic, but missing the gag pad, which is why i even remembered about der strafkolonie - jurov's toothmark authenticator.
mircea_popescu: you were schoolboy in the lake ?
jurov: did you ask the teacher?
mircea_popescu: also, to encourage the nwo fighters : here in argentina, you can't have a signature certified by any notary unless you leave a thumbprint on the paper. they have little ink things and errything.
jurov: i'd prefer it'd accept teeth.. iirc mircea asserted they are very hard to fake
asciilifeform: nobody'd use it << who the hell wants to use today's, with its palm scanner ?
asciilifeform pictures a future, arabian btc atm, with built-in hand chopper for those who trip some alarm or other.
mircea_popescu: im all in favour, incidentally. what are the girls to do ?
mircea_popescu: the ro ones i mean.
mircea_popescu: it's something else, their uniform actually included heels.
mircea_popescu: so i leave there and come here, right ? guess what. the town is creating its own town police force, to escape from federal jurisdiction.
mircea_popescu: i actually got blown by policewoman off main square just for the pedigree.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in usa, never such a problem. they'd simply confiscate houses, cars, mattresses of money, until shortfall vanishes.
mircea_popescu: romanian law is quite permissive : if he can't pay and has no income, you can convict the guy to community service.
mircea_popescu: all the bums owed massive fines for all sorts of things.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> with machine - owner finds out, possibly weeks or months later, when he himself is prosecuted << there's really no prosecution. i've had fake bills in the common course of business multiple times all over. it happens.
jurov: yes, but camera is not in the front of face
mircea_popescu: <jurov> til << this is the case in slovakia too. look around.
jurov: but do they exchange btc for cash? i doubt that, i think owner has to bring the cash to bank and wire them
mircea_popescu: <ThickAsThieves> must be a template cuz the logo sucks and doesnt match at all <<< looks like it.
jurov: they are not that foolhardy
cazalla: well they provide the liquidity from exchanges compared to say a lamassu where the owner provides the coins and it can go empty
cazalla: what's to stop you buying a robocoin, print up some fakes and start draining the machine seeing you're not the one providing the bitcoins it dispenses?
asciilifeform: the machines will be blamed for every faux benjamin that turns up, wherever.
asciilifeform: which is one more reason why mircea_popescu's prediction from earlier (that the 'saecular authorities' will not molest those who plunder or destroy btc atms) is likely to come true.
asciilifeform: unless i somehow misunderstand, btc atm that eats usd removes all of the element of risk from counterfeiting
cazalla: apparently it's like half the revenue from memory
cazalla: what they do here to clean the money is feed it in, have a couple spins, withdraw it from machine and it's deemed a win then
asciilifeform: likewise, with casino, cheat has two basic options - win a little, but have to return many times - or win gigantic barrels, but then intense scrutiny.
asciilifeform: and his path from the door, to machines, etc. and then out, and possibly to his car - all recorded.
cazalla: i wonder if fakes get fed into the machines or if companies like aristocrat have great detection?
BingoBoingo: <TheNewDeal> If I go to an atm at a casino, and I want to withdraw, where do i withdraw from? << Not ATM at the casino, gambling machines
TheNewDeal: not sure how the guy was depositing bills. Maybe it spit out casino chips or something?
jurov: TheNewDeal what bank account?
asciilifeform: caught, as one expects, the old-fashioned way - spotted by guard.
asciilifeform: there was precedent, if i recall: a casino cheat in las vegas, knew exactly what a particular make of usd scanner wanted.
asciilifeform: it is considerably safer to experiment on the machine than on your local bank teller or other live set of eyes.
jurov: well, i suppose they're fachidiots
asciilifeform: but picture if you were a counterfeiter - could you even wish for a better place to make use of the fakes ?
asciilifeform: right now, btc atm, as i understand, is scarce enough - and likewise scarce are the counterfeiters - that they have not yet met in 'true love' match.
jurov: well, the same was said to my fellow lamassu owner someone will put colored bills from burglared ATM in, etc.
asciilifeform: TheNewDeal: likewise, if you give a sham benjamin to a living person, he might cry out for help before you can run off.
asciilifeform: TheNewDeal: the bar is considerably lower for fooling a machine. (until recently, the readers in american vending machines did not even contain colour cameras.)
asciilifeform: jurov: there's traditionally a camera on u.s. atms.
jurov: do i see right the camera on top of that bitcoin-teller-machine ?
TheNewDeal: Although I think if you could produce that quality of a bill, you most likely wouldn't have a problem giving it out to others (non btc atm owners)
TheNewDeal: so the idea is to try and forge a benjamin and get a real currency in return?
asciilifeform: TheNewDeal: hooligan inserts counterfeit usd, walks away with btc.
asciilifeform: btc atm... 'Cash in and cash out' << clearly funded by u.s. mint, where they'd like to learn what the state of the art in fooling automated benjamin testers is.
ThickAsThieves: must be a template cuz the logo sucks and doesnt match at all
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assbot: Ok who's gonna be the first to put several Apple watches on his penis and make a teledildonics app?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if nsa were a girl, it wouldn't be asking for nudies, nor for a fuck, nor for a blowjob during superball, in the parking lot.
asciilifeform: if nsa were girl... 'suite a' would be - the whole orchestra. or not even sure what.
artifexd: I don't want anybody to feel bad. If I lose the 2btc it is not going to come close to affecting my net worth at all. As tat says, the risk/reward seems about right.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: one can see why riga's popular with the british stag parties, russian biznessmen, and german tourists
asciilifeform: mega-lol. might as well sue to get official naked picture of the fuhrer.
pete_dushenski: in the logs, it reads like a fisherman toying with his catch before gutting him
pete_dushenski: there's some of the most interesting residential architecture i've seen anywhere there
pete_dushenski: jurmala (not your mama) is just 20km west and is the wealthy beach resort/bedroom community for riga, also well worth a visit
penguirker: New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/the-private-lives-of-pippa-lee-or-what-happens-to-the-old-whore/
pete_dushenski: artifexd:^ There's my bet << so giving to teh community, this guy
pete_dushenski: that'd be incredible if hashrate went to sub-200k and stayed there for the next 5 days
pete_dushenski: twas nice of mircea_popescu to (seemingly unintentionally) trick artifexd into contributing to the 31bn diff fund.
ThickAsThieves: artifexd, it's not the worst risk/reward
pete_dushenski: ThickAsThieves: after the wall came down, it's like a new country!
artifexd: bitcoinwisdom certainly paints a picture of "I be a fool". In their whole history of difficulty increases, there have never been two consecutive difficulty increases that added up to less than 12%.
ThickAsThieves: i believe nubbins has done such explicitly by creating the bet he needed
ThickAsThieves: you can hedge other invetsments, etc
ben_vulpes: call me a poorfag, but i don't get the risk.
ThickAsThieves: i think what happened was i looked at it several times thinking, nah, no way it gets that high, and then feeling my brain pump chemical memories of when i bet against diff before and lost 50btc, so i abstained
mircea_popescu: you boys be getting complacent ? BingoBoingo said the same thing
artifexd: ^ There's my bet
asciilifeform: well, there's recycled and recycled.
mircea_popescu: suck up the shit make an apple.
mircea_popescu: all food is recycled, what do you think the plants do ?
mircea_popescu: well, i'm of the "if it feels like a girl it is a girl" school of heterosexuality.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo suppose you split the whole run into two teams or something, i dunno.
mircea_popescu: well i mean sure, it could be over six. just as well, it could not be. on the yes side, the observation that diff keeps increasing. on the no side, the observation that no trend lasts forever.
artifexd: The estimate for the current period is over 6%. That leaves, as you say, another 6.5% for the next period.
BingoBoingo: Fuck me, this could resolve as no the time I don't have money on it.
artifexd: You need, what, a 12% increase in the next two adjustments? That seems almost certain. Which the odds on the bet would confirm.
artifexd: Working through this: 5 days from now is the 14th. If difficulty doesn't go up or down, the next readjustment would be on the 28th.
artifexd: Seeing as mp has brought up the october bet a couple time and expressed surprise that it is so lopsided, I think he is expecting it to resolve as no.
mircea_popescu: basically if the next diff isn't up 6.5% it's a no
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Indeed, just waiting for the media to present it as new
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Seems to be the case, except turd prolly wasn't ordered.
BingoBoingo: Lol that address isn't in the city it seems to be in the middle of the ghetto between Ferguson and Dellwood (also not that ZIP)
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: now we know why they knocked on your door.
assbot: Aren't those tins of tobacco right there behind you?
ThickAsThieves: Cue says "we are not in the business of collecting your data."
dub: dude there is probably NLP best practise for which way to arrange your junk
ThickAsThieves: i wonder how much work goes into picking the right blue jeans to present in
kakobrekla: the diff is too god damn high.
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Gunt | Bulging area found on large older women between the waist and the genital area . Not quite a gut, not quite a cunt... The Gunt.
dub: Phil Schiller tells the world about his cameltoe
ThickAsThieves: arent they all?
BingoBoingo: I just can't wait for the media to reinvent the word "nudie" by combing "nude" and "selfie"
ThickAsThieves: apple is nuts if it thinks i'm downloading safari just to watch their shit
ThickAsThieves: "The Mayo Clinic will be giving Apple a hand at its launch event this evening, according to the Star Tribune. "
ThickAsThieves: well with all the feminism, who wants nuts anyway!
mircea_popescu: these are convicts.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the chinese had little grasp of antisepsis. if i recall - death rate of eunuch production was around 1 in 3.
mircea_popescu: amusingly, the punishments for women include forced suicide and confinement to a room, but no mastectomy/hysterectomy, and the jail thing ranks above suicide in severity.
mircea_popescu: for all the derpage about re=education, the only way reeducation happens is teh dungeon.
mircea_popescu: they totally need this "buy ex cons" thing for rich people.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, yes, these.
mircea_popescu: they totally should have this. for speeding and for substance abuses. "buy your selection of pop starlets for 42 bitcents a head"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform : Sĭ (死), death. Following the Sui and Tang Dynasties there were generally two options: strangulation (jiǎo 絞/绞) or decapitation (zhǎn 斩/斬). From the Song Dynasty (970–1279 CE) onwards, slow slicing (língchí 凌迟) along with beheading (xiāoshŏu 枭首) were also used. The death penalty could be remitted on payment of 42 guàn in copper cash.
mircea_popescu: also lol@the propaganda, hitching english "feminism" to french toplessness.
mircea_popescu: Sandra Riahi, 22, in a bikini, chimed in: "I've never done it. I'd be too embarrassed." <<< let the sand niggers in, get fucking burkas and "embarassed" women.
mircea_popescu: wasn;t the punishment for public idiocy public ridicule ?
assbot: News from The Associated Press
asciilifeform: Ulbricht should go to prison? << nah. he should experience the 'five punishments.' not for dope, but for being a public idiot.
ThickAsThieves: specifically: "In this scenario, the description of packet sniffers and 'inspecting each packet' is all a distraction from what the FBI really did. Technically, saying that a packet sniffer revealed the true IP address of the server is true – what isn't mentioned is the packet sniffer was picking up responses from a request to the login page that was forcing it to spit out the IP
mircea_popescu: this has the potential to turn into one of the most embarassing moments for us da's derpidity.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves fabulous, their parallel construction is collapsing and the matter's not even at appeal yet.
mircea_popescu: jurov yeah atm im holding it all. prolly after there's decent bids.
assbot: Doubts cast over FBI 'leaky CAPTCHA' Silk Road rapture The Register
ThickAsThieves: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/09/08/leaky_captcha_behind_fbis_silk_road_rapture/
mircea_popescu: in my country ? not on what i've seen so far. other countrikes can run whichever way they please.
mircea_popescu: not too likely tho. in general in the us a federal circuit court will pick weird stuff up rather than pass it up the line
mircea_popescu: meaning they won't be able to convict for a coupla decades.