kakobrekla goes to reread the contract
mircea_popescu: i am unilaterally modifying that thing, and will release the 10% blocks to our accounts later this week.
mircea_popescu: seeing how it's been about two years and the 30% still ain't all sold, and given that the contract was made at a btc of like 15 so it significantly misjudges things, and seeing how us having 0 shares in hand is inconvenient because we want to do things like give mike some shares cause he keeps doing cool shit
mircea_popescu: by the way, BitBet announcement : the contract specifies 30% of shares are sold on a increasing schedule, after their being sold me and kako each get 10% into our accounts.
mircea_popescu: i have nfi what to do here, i mean the town is hooker central, but i don't imagine people would much like the italian arrangement
mircea_popescu: you coming to the conference btw ?
los_pantalones: maybe i'll bring the family and we'll venture out
los_pantalones: so bad in the US
mircea_popescu: if you look at a map, it's outside the perimeter i described :)
los_pantalones: i'll be in bucharest next summer for a bit, i'll report on the veracity of your claims
mircea_popescu: los_pantalones yes but they don't do salt pickles. which... romanians end up importing the gherkins and pickling locally.
los_pantalones: bulgarians are fanatics about their tomatoes
mircea_popescu: but then again maybe you don't.
mircea_popescu: maybe you get a ny deli with decent stuff most of the time, maybe you're willing to drop 20k euro a month to eat properly in paris,
mircea_popescu: i don't mean other places don't have good food, but if you're european/(french-italian branch), there's just nowhere to go.
mircea_popescu: and so he starts telling me all about how they die of hunger over there and how bad romania is
mircea_popescu: yeah and vice-versa. speaking in english to womenz in romanian cabs, driver picks the idea i'm like from boston
los_pantalones: ha, didn't they just run out of it?
mircea_popescu: if only the soviets had such pixie dust
mircea_popescu: basically the various govts have pulled the trick of all time : convinced the people living in the shithole of the world they're living in the only livable tip thereof.
los_pantalones: US gas station bathrooms are the worst
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, the bus stations in fucking rural mexico are airport-clean, you can eat off the floors.
mircea_popescu: and this isn't even all of it. when i left for mexico everyone in the us was like "pack tp"
mircea_popescu: as opposed to anywhere in "the civilised" world.
mircea_popescu: in fact, i might enjoy the sport of it
mircea_popescu: because they've convinced themselves this happens. meanwhile, it never does. walk queens you'll see a mugging every day. walk chacarrita and glty, you got better chances to see a comet.
mircea_popescu: y argentine will warn you to "be careful with your belongings!111eleventy", they have special implements in many restaurants to hook&tie your purse to the table, they go as fucking far as to wear backpacks in front, and many kids with it in the back had this mental issue where they reached back and touched the zipper every 30 seconds.
mircea_popescu: decimation: when I was a boy scout in my youth I went hiking up in Philmont in northern new mexico - they told horror stories << re retarded human shamans : here they tell horror stories about muggings. i have, in months, observed exactly one attempt, and it was a clearly us bum trying to pass himself as belgian and doing the talking business. clueless enough to not even fucking spot me, the idiot. but otherwise : ever
mircea_popescu: decimation: TheNewDeal: i've heard that black bears aren't so aggressive as long as you don't corner a cub << bears generally aren't aggressive at all. felides&canides are aggressive if very hungry or during mating season, but otherwise you can get out and people have for ages. animal aggressivity is a cost/benefit consideration, they';re not the convenient antichrist retarded human shamans preach.
kdomanski_: I'm suprised to see there aren't any bets related to what Russia is doing
punkman: BitPay, BitPagos, CoinMelon setting up offices there. Prime target for some unscrupulous folks?
assbot: New Bitcoin ARG, The legend begins here.... 4.33 BTC BOUNTY!!!
RagnarDanneskjol: I believe this is rather impossible to break
BingoBoingo: Whay brings you around these parts?
BingoBoingo: !up themediator
atcbot: No data returned from PityThePool.com
decimation: so the solar flare last week produced a coronal mass ejection that hit the earth and did not cause The End of Days, but it did make pretty aurorae in Norway http://spaceweathergallery.com/indiv_upload.php?upload_id=101723
decimation: reminds me of that Herzog documentary "Happy People". One of the men they follow is a trapper who spends the Siberian winter alone in the taiga trapping animals. He said "I used to raise cattle, and I could never bring myself to slaughter them. Because there is, say, a bull. You raise him for two years. It comes to you expecting you to show affection or give it some treat and instead he gets a bullet in the head. In the taiga, the
TheNewDeal: "The bear continued to roam around the campground. It was shot later that morning by a ranch employee." Nice transition
decimation: http://amarillo.com/stories/2000/07/26/usn_black.shtml "Drought has forced the bears to look for food at some of the ranch's backcountry camps used on hiking treks by Boy Scouts from across the United States."
TheNewDeal: I've heard the same, or even women's menses
decimation: when I was a boy scout in my youth I went hiking up in Philmont in northern new mexico - they told horror stories of bears ripping open tents and mauling inhabitants because they could smell food or hygiene products
decimation: TheNewDeal: i've heard that black bears aren't so aggressive as long as you don't corner a cub
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah it's amusing how cheap/poor people are in the middle of nowhere usa
decimation: "Anheuser-Busch paid the town $500,000 to transform the mountain community into a Budweiser paradise as part of the beer giant’s “Up For Whatever” ad campaign."
decimation: relatedly, elsewhere in colorado the barons who own Anheiser Bush/InBev decided to purchase a town for their own amusement: http://blogs.denverpost.com/thespot/2014/09/15/bud-light-posts-first-whatever-usa-ad-youtube/112778/
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: why'd they bring back baronies? 'fuse' ? (i.e. somebody for the next set of bolsheviks to guillotine, so normal people might escape ?)
gribble: The operation succeeded.
decimation: he doesn't get any pr staff position in the ro government?
mircea_popescu: and btw, the guy's right consists of his ownership of the land and the beasts in question
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah, town hipsters. the sort of kids that'd be on reddit if they could comprehend english
TheNewDeal: saw a black bear there 2 years ago, was a small one that was up in a tree, just about broke the branch it was on while reaching for some food
mircea_popescu: and they kill shit too, tons of everything.
mircea_popescu: nah, just the domains.
mircea_popescu: i kinda like the guy for this reason alone.
decimation: no one in the us is equal enough for such a privilege
asciilifeform: and vox populi, vox Führer, at the risk of mixing things up a bit...
decimation: "Wildlife officials are offering a $2,000 reward for information leading to the capture of the poacher or poachers responsible for killing a black bear with a series of arrow strikes."
[]bot: Bet placed: 5 BTC for No on "Dolar Blue over 20 Argentine Pesos on or before Feast of the Immaculate Conception (Dec 8th)" http://bitbet.us/bet/1044/ Odds: 1(Y):99(N) by coin, 1(Y):99(N) by weight. Total bet: 5.1 BTC. Current weight: 99,991.
mircea_popescu: i shook hands with chimps, they're not THAT strong for crying out loud.
mircea_popescu: ima eat the fucking monkey stop pestering me.
decimation: it seems the human's advantage in such a fight would be to rely on tools
mircea_popescu: these people are idiots. why would i hit it.
mircea_popescu: "And I bet that Mr. Lee can hit pretty hard. I'm wondering if his ability to block/dodge/fend off the chimpanzee would give him the advantage."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform fun fact : the carpathian brown bear is just about human range. you'd get about one boy per generation per village that could wrestle a bear.
[]bot: Bet created: "Dolar Blue over 20 Argentine Pesos on or before Feast of the Immaculate Conception (Dec 8th)" http://bitbet.us/bet/1044/
assbot: The Secret To Chimp Strength -- ScienceDaily
mircea_popescu: "Back in the early half of the century, circuses used to hold fights between apes and the strongest men in the town they were touring through. The men were generally knocked unconscious just a few seconds into the fight, after the first blow from the ape."
asciilifeform: bear doesn't know what chokehold is, either...
mircea_popescu: for one thing, he's the size of a 9 yo boy.
mircea_popescu: since when the strong troglodyte got a chance ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nontrivial - chimp has >2x the strength of a man gram for gram (muscle fiber quirk. they get greater synchronicity in fiber motion in place of our precision.)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i'd choose the chimp and fucking maul it.
asciilifeform vaguely recalls the zoology lesson - if condemned to choose what animal to be locked with unarmed, and choices are chimp and, e.g., grizzly, or lion - pick the mega-carnivore. at least quick death.
mike_c: in the middle
mircea_popescu: Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment got .3 and isn't on there ?
mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/1043/bitcoin-817-or-above-before-christmas#b4 < over 3 just there
mircea_popescu: no way the 15% is hottest at 3 btc past 3 days ?!
mike_c: worth the wait
nubbins`: look at how cute their tails are!
mircea_popescu: i have no idea why they're not yet extinct, but it's right there on my list after mosquitoes.
mircea_popescu: there is little in nature more objectionable than a live monkey of any kind
cazalla: mircea_popescu, i had planned to forum post past weekend, came down with flu so didn't get the chance, fever is the worst
mircea_popescu: actually when is the election again ?
mthreat: ya. december and january are very hot here, and the "cortes de luz" (power outages) were a pain last year. Best time to get out in my opinion.
kakobrekla: my closing point is, its not enough to have 'the best product'. history is full of such examples.
decimation: yeah, I think the conditions of weather, population density, living arrangements, etc imprint themselves during childhood
decimation: it would be interesting to analyze weather data with this in mind
mircea_popescu: everyone vouches for whatever they were born in.
mircea_popescu: by the principle "for every incredibly hot woman there's at least one guy totally sick of her ass"
mircea_popescu: decimation http://www.weather.gov.hk/wxinfo/climat/world/eng/s_america/mx_cam/san_jose_e.htm << there you igo.
mircea_popescu: there's a difference between the babies dead of neglect in 1905 and the baby dieing of neglect right now.
kakobrekla: hanbot sure one can be like that. but dunno how can we be so naive, if you read logs you must be aware ascii listed countless superior tech solutions that ended up in the trash bin or forgotten.
mircea_popescu: decimation it's not really worth it. plenty of places where there's no winter. go to san jose, cr, problem solved.
boolrap: i think if you do it 10 times you get transported to another world
boolrap: yeah i could not live there, i need winter time
mircea_popescu: the winter rarely frosts, so really everything's in season.
boolrap: right, the way it should be
hanbot: otherwise you'll end up sewing bitbet seatbelts and gluing do not eat labels and...
mircea_popescu: boolrap well obviously, i mean, no kitchen robots and the like.
kakobrekla: there are also psychological effects - i wonder if we would see a diff if i added a fake 5 min timer at the last step of the bet address request.
mircea_popescu: not the point now is it.
boolrap: they grow out of it
mircea_popescu: and as far as womenz are concerned, they generally wish they had no mom at all anyway.
mircea_popescu: either for not having one at all, or for having had one that was too close to a mom
boolrap: how if you have a gay uncle you are more likely to do well and reproduce because its like having another mom around.
decimation: mircea_popescu: there's a whole 'gentrification theory' based on gays moving to a neighborhood full of swarthy thugs and making it 'safe' for women and children
mircea_popescu: "With the rise of Google, the gurus of Web 2.0, and the call from business leaders (often seen in publications such as Business 2.0) for a more creative, as well as skilled, workforce, Florida asserts that the contemporary relevance of his research is easy to see."
mircea_popescu: it's not that the lesbians flock to the places where rich people live, because they need that trickle down effect to survive in their incredibly inefficient lifestyle.
mircea_popescu: "move to florida, people live longer there"
mircea_popescu: "Florida's theory asserts that metropolitan regions with high concentrations of technology workers, artists, musicians, lesbians and gay men, and a group he describes as "high bohemians", exhibit a higher level of economic development."
kakobrekla: i hear from people who i sent to use the thing
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal tis in teh log
TheNewDeal: why does cb have to watch the address
mircea_popescu: it's not the case anymore
kakobrekla: you need to select between 2 options. now you need to understand both and on top make a decision. if you opt for the second one, you also need to fetch the return address, since you dont understand what originating fucking address is.
mircea_popescu: with cb/bp you need the address, then you need to watch it make sure it went through
kakobrekla: more brain is needed to complete a bb payment than to bpay payment. im to lazy to list all the details, but its there.
mircea_popescu: what thefuck fantasy land is this.
mircea_popescu: how the fuck are "academics" thought leaders
boolrap: im at the place with real internet
asciilifeform: boolrap: buried it in the garden ?
TheNewDeal: one of the few industries where your pay is truly related to your success
kakobrekla: less brain is used, therefore it does.
kakobrekla: good or bad it takes the pain away for the _people_. and _people_ will always chose pleasure over pain.
decimation: "Moreover in a recent report from the Aspen Institute, which convened a cross-section of business thought leaders, including both executives and academics, the most important finding is that a majority of the thought leaders who participated in the study, particularly corporate executives, agreed that “the primary purpose of the corporation is to serve customers’ interests.” In effect, the best way to serve shareholders’
assbot: Richard Florida - Authors - The Atlantic
kakobrekla: unless you complicate it further, like bb does.
mircea_popescu: guy being well tied into theatlantic and all that.
kakobrekla: also imho over 50% of bitcoin users do not even have access to their own private keys.
mircea_popescu: wasn;t that lead by the very picturesque Richard Florida ?!
decimation: "These questions are being raised, not in some anti-capitalist rag from the extreme Left, but in the staid pro-business pages of the Harvard Business Review, in a seminal article by Roger Martin, the former dean of the Rotman School of Business and the academic director of the Martin Prosperity Institute: “The Rise and (Likely) Fall of the Talent Economy.”"
mircea_popescu: i remember a time when newspapers were worth reading, they came in wet ink and you knew the names of the editors.
decimation: the forbes 'article' (forbes < daily mail) is an example of a blind man feeling the bloated government elephant and declaring it to be a large plum
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu> the fuck do people know what their needs are, you might as well be the veterinarian that offers pet-managed pet care. << Time to go long on bacon as dogs move over to a diet of pork and more pork
assbot: Roger Martin: How 'The Talent' Turned Into Vampires - Forbes
decimation: another rambling example: http://www.forbes.com/sites/stevedenning/2014/09/14/roger-martin-how-the-talent-turned-into-vampires/
mircea_popescu: the fuck do people know what their needs are, you might as well be the veterinarian that offers pet-managed pet care.
mircea_popescu: not just one man. the man with something to say. there was never anything of any value or utility come from listening "to people" and "their needs"
mircea_popescu: it narrowly maps the makeover from "a good place to invest" to "a good thing to short"
mircea_popescu: decimation note the change of apple, from the ipad 1 "fuck you, it's not going to come in white" to the ipad 6 "we're doing what the customers think they want"
mircea_popescu: the bitpay/coinbase invoice model is basically doing everything from the perspective of "what's the most we could do so bitcoin never works"
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla yes. if one's goal is not to shit where one eats, then there's no incentive to cater to idiocy. if on the contrary, then on the contrary.
mircea_popescu: the only reason "people demand" pop music and buzzfeed derpage is because that's what mtv and buzzfeed want to sell.
kakobrekla: <mircea_popescu> nonsense. there is absolutely no reason to cater to idiocy. < broad statement. totally depends what ones goal is
mircea_popescu: there's no intrinsic reason to buy soap, nor any good reason not to eat the soap you bought, on the strength of this approach.
mircea_popescu: people would still demand huts and saddles if anyone asked them.
mircea_popescu: the argument that "people demand" is fallacious,.
mircea_popescu: nonsense. there is absolutely no reason to cater to idiocy.
mircea_popescu: look, your whole argument is based on the entirely insane proposition that "people could never know what an originating address is"
kakobrekla: bb is not a sheep company. bitpay is a sheep company. there are more sheep around than non sheep. by count, sheep company is hated less.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla i was using the term people in the limited sense of "people in bitcoin", not in the general sense of "mouthbreather kept on life support by usg"
decimation: it would be nice if each dollar 'committed' in this spending were marked with the number of hands that held the dollar since being printed by the Fed
kakobrekla: not the one i mentioned before
mircea_popescu: but no, why not try and microsoft all over bitcoin and then wonder why people hate you.
mircea_popescu: rather than at worst.
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah agreed. Although to mojang's credit they apparently make $240 mn per year. Yeah I forgot whatsapp
asciilifeform: decimation: very different purposes for the two kinds of purchase.
mircea_popescu: what the fuck is that thing even
mircea_popescu: and they won't be able to get out of it by aggitating the "us legislation" dog, nobody cares.
mircea_popescu: not really my problem, they'll learn some lessons in fragility once anyone gives enough of a shit.
kakobrekla: when 0 conf hits the shit
kakobrekla: they sell coins on bitstamp
decimation: re: microsoft paying $2bn for mojang: I saw the news this morning and lol'ed. $3.2 bn for nest, $2bn for mojang; only $3 bn for high-power specialty manufacturer that has $1bn in revenue per year
mircea_popescu: and they BOTH did it, hurray for us-style "competition" ==== "industry best practices"
mircea_popescu: basically they picked a solution that fell out of the fail tree and hit every branch down
kakobrekla: but they wait zero conf
mircea_popescu: we just give you the girl.
mircea_popescu: brothel1 : if you fail to spend in 10 minutes, there's a surcharge. brothel2 : if you fail to spend in 3 days, there's a... nevermind.
mircea_popescu: and supposedly these things hire engineers and have ceos and market value. psssssst
kakobrekla: too complicated for _people_, better to take the exchange risk for a few min
mircea_popescu: then you can just send 1 even for a .75 invoice if you absolutely must have it filled, and take .2whatever in change when it happens
mircea_popescu: "here is the address to pay to. if you pay in the next 10 minutes, you need to pay this much. if you don't and the price moves in your favour expect change in your originating address ; if it moves against you expect a new invoice generated for the difference"
asciilifeform: decimation: a good deal of the really dirt-cheapo chinese stuff has mask rom.
kakobrekla: well, its hard to pay for 90% of the car
decimation: asciilifeform: I suspect nearly all brands have such controllers, the fun part is learning how to access backdoor
asciilifeform: and afaik there's exactly one brand known to work for that experiment
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah if one is going to play with uC on a usb stick, might as well hack a usb storage card use the controller, because cheap
chalbersma: mp I'll take a look at it but I'm not entirely sure how to do it. I'll have to read more into the procedure of generating that coinbase.
decimation: diametric: I agree with asciilifeform re: that FST-01 device for TRNG - there are just too many potential gotchas with a low-quality ADC, why bother when a much simpler circuit would suffice?
mircea_popescu: it's nice supporting foss authors and everything, but i doubt the guy can or would spend atc.
mircea_popescu: chalbersma suppose you just re-write it so it gives that to the highest ranking address.
chalbersma: It gives the donation address a satoshi and any leftover satoshi's after dividing between the active shares to that address too.
mircea_popescu: what the fuck is wrong with people.
mircea_popescu: yet there's a whole collection of reddit wailers derping about how bitbet is a scam and ty bitpay for having fixed your X error that cost me my business you're such a great company.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Craetes room for them to be scammy fucks
chalbersma: mp. I've been looking at the bit that donation transaction that generates the donation to forrestv's address. I've found one alternative p2pool implementation that had a different coinbase script but I'm not sure how to generate it. I'll have to look more into it tomorrow.
mircea_popescu: it is difficult to store, because if air gets to it they make phosgene and hcl ; however it can be trivially washed in a solution of baking soda, which removes the decomposition products safely.
mircea_popescu: by the way : chloroform can be trivially manufactured out of either acetone (nail polish remover) or ethanol through addition of chlorine bleach.
mircea_popescu: this country has the world's stupidest mosquitoes.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: You sold all of the cock cages
mircea_popescu: my pr back then could benchpress a car.
Diablo-D3: everyone should know what they get off to, and get off to it frequently
Diablo-D3: there are also men who get off on women with power
mircea_popescu: anywhere between all and each and every last one of them.
mircea_popescu: there also little girls who get off on men with power.
DiabloD3: there are many women who get off on men with power, and it is not our right as a society on who is allowed to get off on what (outside of bestiality and pedophilia and catholics
DiabloD3: so to tell me women aren't willing participants in the whole office thing is bullshit
DiabloD3: the upper brass would just shut that whole thing down
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: that's the point of using "poorly engineered"
ben_vulpes: yeah but only when the contractors arent around
mircea_popescu: generally, whenever someone complains whatever they complain about should be replaced by something that's about a degree of magnitude more likely to bother them personally.
DiabloD3: Im thinking, like, the 50s style office maidens
mircea_popescu: seems to me "female" is a good substitution for "retarded" for the company of females that think retarded's retarded.
ben_vulpes: so to pique them we now say "poorly engineered"
ben_vulpes: the office brides have asserted that "retarded" is not okay
mircea_popescu: like ten lines up in the log.