cazalla: JuliaTourianski_ as said vagina has nothing to do with it but a pretty girl is useful to get across the message, maybe you start making videos on ethereum soon?
Dimsler: you're in the wrong channel if you think that
HeySteve: JuliaTourianski_ did u interview the hexayurt designer in that video posted above?
JuliaTourianski_: +cazalla would u think the same if I was a dude in a t-shirt?
Dimsler: JuliaTourianski_, the question was pretty innocent
JuliaTourianski_: +cazalla yeah you don;t know- maybe there's not much to know.
JuliaTourianski_: +Dimsler I'm friends with everyone in the declaration video..that's a lot of ppl, so whcih ones are pulling my strings? don;t cherry pick eh
Dimsler: even went to the bilderberg group
cazalla: JuliaTourianski_ given i've seen a lot of you and paul joseph watson (alex jones puppet), perhaps that is the direction i should start
JuliaTourianski_: you just dismissed a huge chunk of the btc space based on nothing.
JuliaTourianski_: if i'm associated with everyone, then who is pulling my strings?
Dimsler: you're just associated with the mainstream clownery
HeySteve: the turbulence *should* stop it becoming a giant fish blender... might put on some kinda mesh just in case
JuliaTourianski_: +cazalla +mircea_popescu didn;t see that sorry- you guys do realize I literally know evryone in the space and am "associated" with everyone, depending on how you look at it.
HeySteve: yeah a motor to run an impeller with a tube to draw oxygen down to the blades, I believe it will work well
assbot: Logged on 22-09-2014 18:18:35; mircea_popescu: julia_ well there's two specific things there. bitcoiners don't like amir because he's an idiot, and many people don't like berwick after that chile gulch real estate fraud episode. what exactly is your association ?
The20YearIRCloud: That's the more cost effective way to do it i think. I was looking at a 24/7 air compressor
The20YearIRCloud: although here some guys are going to pure oxygen injection in the water
The20YearIRCloud: Yeah, and that's what i see as the primary problem
HeySteve: but yeah, the more dissolved oxygen you can get the water to carry, the more densely you can stock them
HeySteve: and at high concentration, they will prioritise feeding over breeding
HeySteve: right but they only breed above about 28^ centigrade
The20YearIRCloud: the big holdback on tilapia is oxygen concentration. They breed like crazy to the point that they'll kill themselves
The20YearIRCloud: because from what I hear you can take raw farm waste (essentially corn silage) and feed it to them
HeySteve: (in theory)
HeySteve: well I know with fish, there's a method which achieves nearly 1:1 feed to weight conversion
The20YearIRCloud: At 100% of the animal waste produced converted to food, it'll take care of 5% of the total US meat demand
HeySteve: right. you're better off with collecting organic waste from other sources in that case
The20YearIRCloud: Wouldn't be a terrible thing if more places converted, but the problem starts to become that if you free-range animals (Cows and pigs, which are the largest waste producers by far), you can't effectively go out and get that waste
The20YearIRCloud: So, an extra 13.4m tons of meat per year from recycling the waste through BSFLs.
The20YearIRCloud: Then of that 67m tons of feedstock, animals (Depending on breed) are 15%-20% efficient at taking the BSFL feedstock and converting it to actual on-animal weight
The20YearIRCloud: Assuming 100% of all animal waste is used as a food source for them.
The20YearIRCloud: 335m tons of manure is produced a year in the US, which would result in 67m tons of BSFL feedstock
The20YearIRCloud: They need 80kg+ to make ~17kg of feed per week. That's a great deal of waste.
The20YearIRCloud: HeySteve: seems they're 20% efficient at converting waste to protein/feedstock it seems
The20YearIRCloud: Especially as a dried foodstock, i'm shocked though they estimate value at only $1/lb
kakobrekla: not that there anything wrong with that
HeySteve: yeah I know chickens will eat them live and the protein content is high. will try it with fish but maybe they need to be processed for smaller fish
The20YearIRCloud: How are the larva harvested?
The20YearIRCloud: I'd love to try it here, granted finding the waste input could be difficult outside of animal manure from farms
HeySteve: The20YearIRCloud yeah they're building a big facility in fluffypony's neck of the woods to supply animal feed to farmers here
The20YearIRCloud: The big thing about fish feed is that there are a few types that have very, very, very low protein inputs and thrive on waste anyway
ben_vulpes: jurov: you're missing a duration qualifier there
ben_vulpes: "get a house, settle down, give up on fun, otherwise you're a retarded child." << Dimsler
ben_vulpes: wet wipes for the crotch is about all one needs.
ben_vulpes: jurov: if you're cleaning off the dust, you're doing it wrong
mircea_popescu: now they can't rape each other on the uni campus, where is the handling supposed to occur ?
jurov: domes/yurts are usable as the bigger one
The20YearIRCloud: Ok, so the flies do a similar thing to composting?
jurov: from what i read about burning man, one needs two tents, the bigger one where you can clean off the salt
ben_vulpes: one use case that made some modicum of sense was this one dood's fuckpalace, but i was always amused that he couldn't just get down in public at the burn
HeySteve: yeah gonna start using them for fish feed
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HeySteve: +The20YearIRCloud> One of the groups at my church goes to Africa every few years to teach people how to build basic water filters from sand/rocks/ect and when they do it , they save a immense number of lives due to cholera/disentery <- cool, here's something else you might be interested in: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HM0d2EsVehQ
ben_vulpes: i for one think the burning man use case is hilarious
mircea_popescu: "After six decades and the expenditure of the equivalent of tens of billions of dollars, the promise of breeder reactors remains largely unfulfilled and efforts to commercialize them have been steadily cut back in most countries"
JuliaTourianski_: the hexayurt is a solution for emergency housing, refugee camps, and poverty housing. they do protect against extreme temperature changes, hence their use at burning man
The20YearIRCloud: You want to look at affordable, extremely useful housing, look to what the Scots & irish did with their housing in the 1600s from Sod
ben_vulpes: see the paupery story for details on other "engineering" criteria missing from the conversation.
The20YearIRCloud: And it's not like people in the middle of Africa don't have enough time to build something that's gonna work well
mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud yeah well.
Dimsler: if south africa has taught us anything during the aparthide
Dimsler: they can buy regular tents?
The20YearIRCloud: You can teach a bunch of low/no education people how to make bricks in a week or two, and in a month show them how to make a house that will last 50-100 years
The20YearIRCloud: It's not cutting edge stuff by any standard whatsoever. So why bother with air layers, straw, high strength plastics?
mircea_popescu: the romans used it.
Dimsler: The20YearIRCloud, exactly
mircea_popescu: from what i gathered here the pro argument was that these take less man-hours to put up than an actual construction.
The20YearIRCloud: Those houseboxes are about the same in terms of performance
Dimsler: The20YearIRCloud, exactly
ben_vulpes: made by a giant corporation in the business of fabbing horrible shitboard boxes
Dimsler: i don't see them smelt plastic and mould injecting domes
The20YearIRCloud: R value of the air insullation isn't going to be that great, maybe 10
Dimsler: in africa theres plenty of access to clay
mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud yes but this is for africa neh ?
ben_vulpes: The20YearIRCloud: double-shell implies an air insulation layer
The20YearIRCloud: The minimum R value for wall insullation (not ceiling mind you) in the US is now in the area of 25-30
mircea_popescu: Dimsler people with no other option.
The20YearIRCloud: Just checked, and the R value of double-shelling would be 4
The20YearIRCloud: Let me find the exact R value
ben_vulpes: The20YearIRCloud: so double-shell it.
Dimsler: refer to the restoration of Rome
Dimsler: its the man power that is unaffordable
The20YearIRCloud: I'm just trying to find information on the plasdtic
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i mean separation of panels? lifting of the thing?
ben_vulpes: The20YearIRCloud: you can use plywood.
mircea_popescu: there, try now.
mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud ebay!
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The20YearIRCloud: ben_vulpes: where are you getting the corugated plastic from?
JuliaTourianski_: +ben_vulpes the point is to easily build it. domes are much harder
mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski_ well yes but these aren't statements of the same strength. the problem being that the difference between theory and practice is narrower in theory than it is in practice.
ben_vulpes: having been in them.
The20YearIRCloud: I'm teaching a class on basic mechanics/machines, and it's amazing how many people out there don't understand how anything works
bounce: piffle. HIGH TECHNOLOGY is the way, I'm telling you
The20YearIRCloud: Compost toilets are fine, any kind of containment system for sewage is just fine, but half the world doesn't realize that keeping your septic and your water in the same place is a bad thing
The20YearIRCloud: Sure they can, if they know how to do it, but it's always amazing how many people out there don't understand a dang thing
JuliaTourianski_: and thers water filters for 100 bucks that can filter virus and bacteria now
The20YearIRCloud: One of the groups at my church goes to Africa every few years to teach people how to build basic water filters from sand/rocks/ect and when they do it , they save a immense number of lives due to cholera/disentery
JuliaTourianski_: anyone can build these things
mircea_popescu: yeah the builders matter.
bounce: how's that? what's the fema paying in "intellectual property" licensing for its trailers then?
JuliaTourianski_: For hexayurts fabricated from four-by-eight foot sheets of foam or hexacomb cardboard and duct tape, the cost has been estimated at $1,000 each (compared to $30,000 for a FEMA trailer). Hexayurts fabricated from OSB and wooden blocks can cost as little as $250–300.
JuliaTourianski_: but it can be made out of things other than plywood for permanent housing
JuliaTourianski_: very cheap. every person in the world can have one without enviro impact. +mircea_popescu
JuliaTourianski_: ye burner love the hexyert
JuliaTourianski_: +mircea_popescu no, in relation to how tech will shape it, especially in the "3rd world"
JuliaTourianski_: the guy is pretty cool. created open source housing
mircea_popescu: "the entire picture of our future" ?
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JuliaTourianski_: +Duffer1 on the entire picture of our future, and how engineering/tech will impact us politically
The20YearIRCloud: So the grid costs go down severely
The20YearIRCloud: The big thing is you don't have to install high power lines, buy easements, hire helicopter crews to fly over lines for obstructions and so on
The20YearIRCloud: These are the ones that use the thorium fluid, they're between a traditional reactor and a RTG
The20YearIRCloud: and it reduces total grid costs which can be another 1-2c per KWH that has to be accounted for
The20YearIRCloud: Their lifetime cost even with installation and maintainence costs is under 4c per KWH
JuliaTourianski_: I just did a cool interview with viney gupta on the subject, editing now actually. first time ive been hopeful in a while
mats_cd03: via selling commercial portable fission reactor designs to the rest of the world at a nice markup
JuliaTourianski_: once the energy issue is solved (housing, water filtration, food, medicine is all basically there) then maybe fuller will be proven right...and without reliance on gov infrastructure we can escape political systems altogether
mircea_popescu: the locals can get fucked, with their hopes aspirations and expectations of "promises"
The20YearIRCloud: Yes, they will start using people as fuel
mircea_popescu: the criteria are, energy used to erect, energy delivered after erection.
bounce: oh yes they are.
bounce: dams apparently aren't worth the costs long run, in terms of environmental impact and failure to deliver on the improvement of life for the locals promise
mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski_ it's not really that exponential. and the price is a minute consideration, the cost is the main point.
bounce: so what's the exponent? :-p
mats_cd03: everything that can be dammed already has been, for the most part.
JuliaTourianski_: solar is halving in price quite quickly and getting more and more powerful exponentially...wind is iffy. take a lot to maintain. costly. ugly. kills the eagles :P
mircea_popescu: but where that is satisfied, they work.
mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud hydro only works where you have a river ; wind only works where you have ... the equivalent phenomenon, in the air fluid.
The20YearIRCloud: And it gets alot of talk that isn't true either. Solar just can't keep up with peak energy demands
bounce: time to set up a research institute and write some billionaires for research funding, then buy up all the patents and the research groups and make them work together
mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud cells might eventually work.
mircea_popescu: it could do without all the idiotic derpage it's currently wrapped in of course.
The20YearIRCloud: I'm not completely opposed to renewables, but the renewables that actually work aren't the ones that anyone talks about
bounce: it's going to need a lot of money to beef up the "renewable" tech tho
Duffer1: i see it's not them alone
The20YearIRCloud: they were wrong
The20YearIRCloud: like peak copper in the 70s
bounce: who's going to buy those $50e9 of fossil fuel assets? also, tin foil hat time: apparently they think it's time to get out, so peak oil
The20YearIRCloud: The actual fund they have (The $50b) fund has made no commitmenets to any sort of renewable energy investments
mircea_popescu: i have nfi if the people involved can rightly represent the impact of some millions in what's being discussed.
The20YearIRCloud: From what i had read, only a specific branch of their total investment fund was going to go to clean energy, and it was a low number
mircea_popescu: "The philanthropic organisation was founded in 1940 by the sons of John D Rockefeller. As of 31 July 2014, the fund's investment assets were worth $860 million."
The20YearIRCloud: No , that was their energy holdings or estimated investment in renewables
The20YearIRCloud: bounce: that's their philanthropic(sp) group
Duffer1: i'd be curious to see how small a fraction of their total holdings that is
mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud nope
mircea_popescu: then they broke the interface, i took a break, forgot about it, then rediscovered it after a coupla years and reused it for i dunno, a few months
X-Rob: I've been watching 'Miranda' over the weekend. It's amazingly hilarious. English show, has three seasons of 6 episodes each.
Dimsler: not sure why you bothered with that form of clownery
mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski_ i killed some derp and they got pissy.
mthreat: but in general, it seems like ethnic food gets worse the further away it gets from the origin. I;m sure there are exceptions,
mircea_popescu: i spent some time in mexico, loved the food, but didn't impress me as being specific in any wya.
mthreat: mircea_popescu: good question, there are several kinds of popular food... tex-mex, bbq, mexican, etc
The20YearIRCloud: part of it is texmex, the other is beef-oriented American with most of it trending towards BBQ
The20YearIRCloud: I imagine it's like the 'australian' places we have here
The20YearIRCloud: what'd they serve?
mthreat: i once saw a "Texan" restaurant in belgium. The menu looked nothing like any food I'd ever seen in Texas.
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mircea_popescu: see los mexikas in vienna if there.
Dimsler: i would do the btc vegas conference just to eat at carnevino
The20YearIRCloud: you're not missing out on the c hicago pizzas :(
The20YearIRCloud: I looked at how many were in the UK and it was pretty low
Dimsler: The20YearIRCloud, for once, i'd like to sit down and have a real steak or chicago style pizza anywhere in europe
The20YearIRCloud: Most europeans haven't had the chance ever to try Mexican
The20YearIRCloud: they're really catching on Dimsler
mircea_popescu: ;;rate JuliaTourianski_ 1 Manages the beer for a family owned Russian bathouse with handmage sausages in Mississauga.
JuliaTourianski_: +mircea_popescu they generally steal
bounce: "manage the beer". sounds like a heady job, eh.
mircea_popescu: romanians just steal all the foods.
mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud they're total sluts. polenta ? romanian traditional dish, according to romanians. sarmali ? check. baklava ? check. blinyi ? check. etc.
JuliaTourianski_: +The20YearIRCloud my parents run it, I manage it and do all the marketing/sm/website I make the cake and do the drinks, manage the beer etc.
Dimsler: the food menu looks delicious
JuliaTourianski_: +The20YearIRCloud my dad refuses. he used to charge only 9 bucks for hand made sausages + sides that no one could finish cuz the portion was so large
The20YearIRCloud: Then you should overprice it for locals :D
JuliaTourianski_: +The20YearIRCloud our food is very underpriced actually
Dimsler: so the polish girls can drink too
Dimsler: probably some of the most realistic attitudes
Dimsler: the girls rock
The20YearIRCloud: Now you can sell the canadians overpriced russian food
mircea_popescu: the girls are cheap and easy.
mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski_ only the boys.
Dimsler: they taught us russian in school
JuliaTourianski_: +Dimsler started out mostly russians, then I did my seo/marketing magic and now it's 60% canadians 40% russians
The20YearIRCloud: Granted what I want here/columbus is a nice steakhouse that gets their meat locally, rather than from China or 500mi aways
mircea_popescu: a settled russian population either has its own and won't use yours or does without and won't use yours.
mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud yeah but probably easier to break into the market on the novelty angle.
Dimsler: the york one is nothing but gangsters and shadyness
mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud in columbus quite likely.
JuliaTourianski_: I took cody wilson and amir there
Dimsler: how does this place compare to the one in york?
Dimsler: i'm not old either
kakobrekla: whats with the name calling, is it better if i call it MKLF next time?
Dimsler: good steam does the body good
Dimsler: mircea_popescu, i do the russian bathhouse in york
mircea_popescu: The South-Western Bathhouse Local family business in Mississauga, Ontario << is this the canadian equivalent of the mystical massage parlour ?
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JuliaTourianski_: I tend to go for the people not the conference..i maybe listen to 1 speech usually
JuliaTourianski_: im mostly going to meet up with P byrne to be honest...not the gambling at all
Dimsler: the rest of them are just right back to introductionary speaches and covering the same topic a million times
Dimsler: JuliaTourianski_, theres only like 1-2 a year worth going to
mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski_ do you go to all of these ?
JuliaTourianski_: will anyone b at the vegas inside btc?
RagnarDanneskjol: mircea_popescu - do you want chris to do anything else with the pool - he was looking for guidance?
RagnarDanneskjol: fyi julia - you can send all these messages to gribble in pm for future ref
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JuliaTourianski_: now what command to I use to verify with the signature?
JuliaTourianski_: i have the old version
RagnarDanneskjol: easier to just right click the address you used
RagnarDanneskjol: copy the entire string starting with "freenode:#......"
RagnarDanneskjol: is the addreess you used from electrum?
bounce: gribble is a bit stupid and nanotube won't change the confused wording there. yes I asked. oh well.
JuliaTourianski_: ye brave the world
mircea_popescu: check out the lisp chick.
thestringpuller: yay. send in the hobos!
mircea_popescu: Dimsler how'd this go "hello everyone, pleased to meet you, i'm <snipped>" ? who are you meeting then.
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