ben_vulpes: anyways, the butternut squash and ricotta gnocchi are up and i'm caught up on logs so meditate on what else beyond time bitcoin might break on its wheel y'all.
ben_vulpes: so long as we're on the same page.
mircea_popescu: it does, in the sense of "block height"
mircea_popescu: because the include block hash only puts a minimum into the pie, not a maximum. the deeds registrar does both.
mircea_popescu: my observation was that as long as you're implementing this, you're better off with the b-a registrar than with your "include block hash and sign"
mircea_popescu: sure, no dispute there.
mircea_popescu: it just means the previous, fiat approach to creating an arbitrary timeline has been replaced by a bitcoin, similarly arbitrary approach
ben_vulpes: that just means that the consensual time thing is poorly fucking engineered.
mircea_popescu: if block 322121says it's been mined on 2014-09-23 03:24:19, then that's what it is.
mircea_popescu: which for this purpose means, any other terms.
mircea_popescu: once a block is part of the blockchain, its timestamp as declared is part of the history of the world
mircea_popescu: these are block accepting rules. irrespective of this, all blocks contain a timestamp.
ben_vulpes: A timestamp is accepted as valid if it is greater than the median timestamp of previous 11 blocks, and less than the network-adjusted time + 2 hours. "Network-adjusted time" is the median of the timestamps returned by all nodes connected to you.
mircea_popescu: the block's.
ben_vulpes: even "time" must bow to the blockchain.
mircea_popescu: so it becomes part of the blockchain notion of time, and verifyably so.
mircea_popescu: it's there about 5x
ben_vulpes: ya plz, the log'd benefit.
mircea_popescu: dja recall the spec ?
ben_vulpes: whose computer, what tz, and why even bother with time?
ben_vulpes: i tell ya, if i and my counterparty agree on a block, what's the point?
mircea_popescu: the fabled b-a deeds registrar.
ben_vulpes: now, a specific block in the chain - that means something.
ben_vulpes: i want to timestamp a thing, i just put the hash of the latest block in in it and then sign the fucker. counterparty ibid, presto, contract pinned to blockchain.
Vexual: i think the recourse for steling a palm print might in fact be a palm print
mircea_popescu: decimation that they'd prolly not do it to just one human
decimation: what recourse would a human have if they stole his credentials and used them criminally?
mats_cd03: if they went for just govt id i may have considered it
Vexual: they wouldnt
Vexual: i don't have to do any of that if i choose to drop my loose change in the donation bag on a plane
mats_cd03: n prob rectotherm
mats_cd03: i tried to use a 2way btc atm at the hacker dojo in silicon valley
Vexual: yeah, i was thinking one could get all their wives and kids and cats and shit on the board of a non profit
assbot: Liberty Teller – First bitcoin ATM in the USA
mats_cd03: they can't possibly make roi
mats_cd03: self funded by... wharton MBAs. i mean to empty them again and see how long the machines stick around
mats_cd03: on the subject of MBAs, i emptied a 'bitcoin atm' with 1.1btc operated by LibertyTeller the other day
Vexual: asciilifeform:" mircea_popescu: i can't have been the only boy who wanted a game machine that would physically damage you when you fuck up..." i reckons a week on lemonade stand hooked up to a taser should be some kinda mba equivalence
mircea_popescu: they proly figure you for a mormon.
mircea_popescu: but at issue is the conflation.
atcbot: >> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 12.22 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.22 TH/s
mircea_popescu: where the fuck does this idiotic conflation of chastity and morality come from.
mircea_popescu: "Francis Fukuyama, in The Great Disruption, pretends to seek ways to reverse the Great Disruption of the Cultural Revolution, but then admits that theres no way to restore the most important single aspect of our disrupted culturesexual morality and monogamy. Furthermore, Fukuyama makes it clear that this is just fine with him."
assbot: View from the Right
mircea_popescu: then again, who ever knows.
mircea_popescu: "When I asked a group of a dozen of the citys affluent professional class about the number of banks, they smiled and said"
mircea_popescu: "I was in Timisoara Romania last week. Timisoara is a city of roughly 320k people on the Western edge of Romania. On the drive in to the city I was struck by the huge number of different banks I kept passing."
mats_cd03: perhaps i will leave him a mail, to put him on the right path
mircea_popescu: "Needless to say these banks tend to be big banks our banks. "
assbot: The Disloyal » Golem XIV - Thoughts
mircea_popescu: decimation: lol > http://boycottsystemd.org/ << it'd have been pretty meta if the systemd ppl themselkves had reg'd that domain and made a parody antisite
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla to the conference :)
mats_cd03: not sure really. he writes things, i read them, and sometimes im happy
Duffer1: i've never been out of the states
assbot: A word about banks and the laundering of drug money » Golem XIV - Thoughts
mats_cd03: this is the most activity in ages
HeySteve: did they pay back everything yet?
HeySteve: decimation, that link was funnier when I thought it referred to the black market
Dimsler: shes probably more interested about the actual inner workings
Dimsler: but the cost per transaction is still high
Dimsler: hence the stagnated growth / wallet creation rate
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
Dimsler: bitcoin is at a poitn where it operates rather autonomously
Dimsler: the founation at this point has little say
Dimsler: if you want to artculate the blockchain as its own entity, then theres a few projects on contracts and signatures, and encryption
Dimsler: ironcing out the kinks in better exchanging
assbot: The conference, third edition pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
Dimsler: lol i once heard a guy tell me that he can't wait for the $50k/btc
empyex: Duffer1: Next conference starts in 6 months and 25 days. Estimated cost today: 3.28644342 BTC (Details: http://trilema.com/2014/the-conference-third-edition/ )
Dimsler: in the air?
Dimsler: did you learn the part about how each of those conferences
BCB: The Inside Media/Mackler Media show suck
JuliaTourianski_: i learned a lot at each one, not from the conference itself tho
JuliaTourianski_: toronto, chicago and the recent inside btc in london
BCB: JuliaTourianski_: They are all the same after a while. Same speakers. Same stories. Same empty promises
Dimsler: to pump up the price of my coins
Dimsler: the conferences are for people without bitcoins
BCB: JuliaTourianski_: The conferences are place where guys pump there Press Releases looking for dumb money.
mircea_popescu: which reminds me, ever saw the nsa tshirt ?
JuliaTourianski_: what projects in the BTC space do you guys like? if any...these conferences seem to be full of frat boys wanting to be men, with projects...many of which seem to be solving the same problem that doesn't exist.
BCB: Dimsler: they are waiting for a ruling
Duffer1: working their way through red tape
Dimsler: what happend to the winkle twins?
mircea_popescu: the guy was with jp, if it's actually him
assbot: The Gentlemen Prefer CoEds Club pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
assbot: How Sugar Daddies Are Financing College Education - The Atlantic
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JuliaTourianski_: +danielpbarron *pats her troll on the head* aww
mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski_ yeah but the last n umlaut posts are by that gurri newb
JuliaTourianski_: she got me on here in the first place
JuliaTourianski_: +mircea_popescu depends on the receiving end in this case
BCB: mircea_popescu: they are getting married at Disney so probabaly!
HeySteve: mircea_popescu, the hack is that gill-feeding fish also absorb algae and plankton colonies from the water, you just need to seed the water with carbon to encourage colony growth
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mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski_ i'm more of a stationary sculpting mechanism. which is why the "pick something to do" thing.
HeySteve: sounds about right, The20YearIRCloud, but like I said there's a "hack" for tilapia which brings it to 1:1 or even below!
mircea_popescu: cazalla: JuliaTourianski_ i'm just saying i don't trust random novice who starts making videos declaring bitcoin's independence with other known scammers << while this is actually sound, the problem with youth is that it wants to act. which is also sound. so novices with drive will often first show up in dubious company.
BCB: JuliaTourianski_: is that guy the director also?
BCB: JuliaTourianski_: in the movie i mean
mircea_popescu: but iirc on the 2nd pass byrne managed somewhat.
mircea_popescu: tim sweeny or w/e his name was didn't quite have the youthful flexibility and so he ended up butchered
mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski_: +cazalla would u think the same if I was a dude in a t-shirt? <<< hard to know, but i think the last dude in a tshirt to try the entire reddit thing here was kamela or something
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mircea_popescu: !s "the richest man you've met"
JuliaTourianski_: +mircea_popescu that's the first thing you said to me after attempting to troll me
JuliaTourianski_: +mircea_popescu "I am the richest man you've met, and If I can help it, I'll be the richest man you've ever met"
JuliaTourianski_: FUNNY thing, the director is not a BTC millionare
mircea_popescu: these +s remind me : JuliaTourianski_ if you actually get a client you get various benefiuts, such as a log, and autocomplete names and stuff.
JuliaTourianski_: almost fucking died making episode 3 and they didint even bother finishing it. bleh
JuliaTourianski_: +cazalla the games are pure wicked
JuliaTourianski_: +mircea_popescu the valve lovers are strong
mircea_popescu: the truman show 8.0. cmon :)
Dimsler: how are tents shit? when they've been used for centuries
mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski_ his contribution to libbitcoin is the same as with bitcoin itself : he gofer'd coffee for the people involved.
mircea_popescu: human intelligence is the ultimate scarce resource
mircea_popescu: not everyone can. no matter how desperately they want to.
mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski_ except after full time of working on "projects" the only results are some scams and some ridicule.
Dimsler: they only way to buy freedom, and live as an anarchist is to obtain wealth
BingoBoingo: <JuliaTourianski_> what's wrong with squatting? << Well, apparently this is the healthier way to poop
mircea_popescu: having the ability to pay rent or not is.
mircea_popescu: the opposite of autonomy ?
mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski_ that's fine, but the problem is the thought process. you tend to go for this words because words because more words approach. it's not very sound.
Dimsler: he should have stayed off the fucking drugs
mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski_ if your "we" includes the derps a la taaki, derpopoulous etc, no, "we" has no chance to anything but talk
JuliaTourianski_: born in the soviet union.
JuliaTourianski_: with the blockchain we have a possible was to just avoid gov, discreetly, building alt systems until it falls away. before, most anarchistic societies were destroyed by gov.
mircea_popescu: punkman the state of her words is very very disorganised.
punkman: there's no black market without state
Dimsler: ofcourse they did
JuliaTourianski_: in the soviet union i mean
JuliaTourianski_: well anarchy exists everywhere, but as a black system a lot of the time
JuliaTourianski_: energy is the last peice
Dimsler: where every kingdom was 15km down the road
Dimsler: were of the "times that were"
JuliaTourianski_: allocation of resources is an issue, fuller says that's the role of gov systems really. once we scarcity is resolved we don;t need their infrastructure
Dimsler: what the fuck are you talking about?
mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski_ so then his point holds. anarchy is prevalent historically.
BCB: andreas is writing the bitcoin book
JuliaTourianski_: +Dimsler tribalism maybe, this is the first time I think anarchy could work on a large scale becuase the blockchain offers a very practical set of tools for operating economy, trade, legal systems etc, in a trustless fashion. so I got obsessed ye.
cazalla: in the woods or outside, blockchain technology, the other 6 billion, enough with the fucking platitudes, you're sounding more and more like andreas JuliaTourianski_
Dimsler: up until the mid 1800s
mircea_popescu: what's the definition of anarchy we're working on ?
Dimsler: well then you've obviously haven't read much history
JuliaTourianski_: by most ppl i mean, ppl either get obsessed or not. either in the woods or outside
Dimsler: JuliaTourianski_, yes bitcoin would allow anarchy to function, but so can many other things through history
mircea_popescu: ever seen the man's hats ?!
mircea_popescu: and matt drudge is more in the closet.
JuliaTourianski_: +Dimsler most ppl seem to be obsessed with btc. i did because it;s the onyl way anarchy can function scalabley
Dimsler: hence i'm curious about what the agenda is
mircea_popescu: is Jeffrey Tucker the guy that split from mises.org some time back ?
Dimsler: there should be something to solute
BingoBoingo: The20YearIRCloud: And it gets alot of talk that isn't true either. Solar just can't keep up with peak energy demands << Who says solar has to get everyone powered to work?
Dimsler: well as an outspoken individual offering themselves up as a gladiator to entertain
Dimsler: then it turned into a btc obsession
Dimsler: the first few videos she had were good
Duffer1: the reporter?
mircea_popescu: i'm hoping she amounts to more than that other chick, what was her name.
mircea_popescu: ie, this derpy dude spinning around some chick in the hopes that one day he can ask her things and she'll propose they be friends ?
JuliaTourianski_: +mircea_popescu who would write my content otherwise?
Dimsler: you guys remember when reddit blew up, claiming overstock drove up the price of bitcoin?
mircea_popescu: expert is what junior used to be in the 90s
JuliaTourianski_: bruce fenton and patrick byrne are pulling them. i admit it!
BCB: mircea_popescu: ha. Everybody is a fucking expert these days
JuliaTourianski_: +Dimsler ahah therefore everyone
JuliaTourianski_: in the order of speaker
JuliaTourianski_: there are credits down below
mircea_popescu: BCB that's the tell tale sign of a good btc expert
BCB: JuliaTourianski_: should should put captions with the speakers names. I don't recognize half those guys
JuliaTourianski_: so what has the jury decided? whose pulling my strings? alex jones? berwik? amir? shrem? ahah
mircea_popescu: it's just that the gear switch from derpyland to btcland is bound to culture shock a little.
JuliaTourianski_: +mircea_popescu u guys seem to have personal man beef with a lot of these ppl. this is where being a blonde girl helps, no egos.
BingoBoingo: JuliaTourianski_> he worked with lawsky, thinking it would give him immunity for regulation and then he was fucked. << This is why you can't plea out ever.
Dimsler: on the entire planet
Dimsler: the most communist socialized shit hole
Dimsler: how the fuck can you be an anarchist living in canada anyway
JuliaTourianski_: so the line is perfect.
JuliaTourianski_: he worked with lawsky, thinking it would give him immunity for regulation and then he was fucked.
Dimsler: i mean whats the point?
Dimsler: i get the pun
JuliaTourianski_: did u see the LINE i gave shrem
Dimsler: and completely cooperated and ratted out half of the btc community
JuliaTourianski_: +mircea_popescu one or two rotten cherries don;t kill the tree
BCB: Dimsler: and he'll get less then 5 years
mircea_popescu: so no, this scummy "oh the message is nice anyway" carries no water.
JuliaTourianski_: +mircea_popescu there are a lot of ppl in the vid. the non scammers whoever u may think they are cancel out the scammers, whoever u think they are
mircea_popescu: generally speaking, the most damage you can do to yourself is associating yourself with idiots and scammers
mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski_ take the case of jeff. he's an idiot, and now a fraudster. not for any reason than misassociation.
Dimsler: JuliaTourianski_, the people you have in that video
julles: cazalla, hi, sorry I never introduced myslef. I'm julles, I like what you guy do and have no relation whatsoever with the julles you're thinking of ;)
BCB: mircea_popescu: he has a broad knowledge of the bitcoin echosphere. Have you ever meet him in person?
BCB: mircea_popescu: I don't buy Etherium and I have know idea of his coding skills but he is a good writer.
JuliaTourianski_: anyways. my point is, look at the big picture. there are good people in the declaration vid. most importantly it's a message I strongly believe in. so scammers or not, the message stays the same.
Dimsler: in that hilarious compound these crackheads were staying at?
BCB: mircea_popescu: I've read his writing. He is one of the most articulate writers on bitcoin.
BingoBoingo: <JuliaTourianski_> I dont trust him either but I trust him to know if armory is good << The way trust works is if you dun trust someone, you can't trust them to tell you icecream is good.
Dimsler: ethereium is a joke
JuliaTourianski_: +Dimsler trust me...i know all there is to know about the ethereum issues. i wont comment further
JuliaTourianski_: I dont trust him either but I trust him to know if armory is good
Dimsler: with his idiotic ponzi etherium scheme
JuliaTourianski_: +BCB fuck off. that's the worst thing anyone has said to me yet :P
JuliaTourianski_: +BingoBoingo im sorry hun, i dunno what that means. all i know I've been using armory. and it's rated to be the most secure by vitalik and I trust robots :D
JuliaTourianski_: +cazalla amir is a ot a scammer. alex...I'm deciding on alex. ive spoken to him personally since, and I dont like the direction he's going lately. berwick is berwick. how about the rest of the ppl in there? all scammers?
JuliaTourianski_: +BingoBoingo expand- last i saw was some reddit criticism they were addressing on privacy issues
cazalla: julles, i'm not dismissing you or suggesting any sort of conspiracy but it raises ones suspicion when novice makes video and is seen with scammers the likes of amir, berwick, alex jones and his puppets
BingoBoingo: JuliaTourianski_: I mean the user phoning home stuff.
HeySteve: is the phone home issue fixed or what?
Dimsler: they don't
JuliaTourianski_: +Dimsler the only reason the comment gets to me, is cuz I truly believe in everything I say and it sucks to be doubted in that. but I'm still fresh so fine. i don;t expect to be granted respect. I'll work for it. but dismissing people off the bat is just as bad no?
JuliaTourianski_: +cazalla we all started out as a novice. I wrote that myself. i was inspired and excited. that's all. i wanted to bring the community together :) it was fun. u dont need to trust it
JuliaTourianski_: +Dimsler i have certain advantage being me, but yes, ppl don;t take me seriously. when i go to these conferences it's telling. and everyone thinks im there with my bf. I'm not complaining, becuase once they bother to speak to me I show them I'm actually into BTC and the judgement dies.
cazalla: JuliaTourianski_ i'm just saying i don't trust random novice who starts making videos declaring bitcoin's independence with other known scammers
cazalla: Dimsler, not really, this goes back to chat on how nigerians craft their emails
Dimsler: cazalla, no i think its the exact opposite