BingoBoingo: We the people of Liberia were originally inhabitants of the United States of North America.
We were excluded from all participation in the government. We were taxed without our consent.
In coming to the shores of Africa, we indulged the pleasing hope we would be permitted to exercise and improve those faculties which impart to man his dignity
thestringpuller: the insomniacs club!
ben_vulpes: consider though, the coin whose owner controls its network. 'mpexcoin' vs. 'goxcoin'. one trades at an indistinguishable discount (mp claims premium) from market, the other traded at a notable discount (eventually).
ben_vulpes: <decimation> mp_colonist: that's an interesting thought, you are probably right. it also makes the actions of the west w.r.t. money obviously 'dishonorable' << zero, one, infinity. a good wot may grant you a coin of honor.
BingoBoingo: ;;sell 1 "Roy Wood Sellars The Philosophy of Physical Realism" at 1.5 BTC Shipping negotiable
BingoBoingo: ;;sell 1 Roy Wood Sellars "The Philosophy of Physical Realism" at 1.5 BTC Shipping negotiable
xmj: remit as in me getting the money onto my bank account?
ben_vulpes: out of curiosity: did they ever remit?
ben_vulpes: remember that you're the one who insisted on taking a dependency on the aforementioned heathens.
xmj: PayPal is one of the most annoyingly law-compliant payment processors I know. Their adding BTC cannot be a good sign
ben_vulpes: pity the pauper.
ben_vulpes: i'm sadly intimately familiar with the turds in flight.
asciilifeform: (note that you could just as easily end up eating a dog turd from the market and a blade of grass from the dump)
ben_vulpes: if you're asking if the trainers have to know what they're doing and do it properly then yes.
assbot: Pentium FDIV bug - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
ben_vulpes: really? i was under the impression that it was just shit and to be avoided.
BingoBoingo: And Wetware still has its hints in silicon if only for another decade...
BingoBoingo: Jobs turned Sun OS into OS X, Google turned OpenBSD libc on lunix to make Android. THe world turns, everydog becomes a mutt. And no one cares for generology anymoar!
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gribble: Error: I am not seeing this user on IRC. If you want information about a registered gpg user, try the 'gpg info' command instead.
BingoBoingo: Need there be one?
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Well, what is OSX/NExT step other than Sun OS poorly ported to PPC?
ben_vulpes: why do you bring up bsd in the context of macos, BingoBoingo ?
BingoBoingo: Until "they" corner you in gasen shower
ben_vulpes: "they" ambiguous.
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: They taken OpenBSD's libc, for what reason who cares. THey are just the queer little unix with the kernel lock that hampers IP stacks, right?
ben_vulpes: it's a convenient chumpatron - both my shartup short and the touchscreen phenom.
ben_vulpes: there are keys and certs and provisioning things and developer whatsits and i ask you - why does this thing not simply run code?
ben_vulpes: forty (billed) minutes later, i have a combudder as what can make 'iOS 8' things happen to...shit i don't even know how it happens to other devices.
BingoBoingo though now ponders the habitavility of Argentina's snake Island
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> be glad for the bell. << amen. i recently undertook to build a piece of 'golden cage' 'software' to ship over to a client. required 'upgrading' 'xcode', which required 'upgrading' 'os x', a thing i'd been avoiding on principle as the bell shows up every time i plug the shitbox in.
gribble: Archimedean spiral - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archimedean_spiral>; Archimedean spiral: <https://www.princeton.edu/~achaney/tmve/wiki100k/docs/Archimedean_spiral.html>; Young Archimedes Summary - eNotes.com: <http://www.enotes.com/topics/young-archimedes>
mp_colonist: rape certainly doesn't feel the same.
asciilifeform will not presume to guess whether eating steak, or rape, pillage, 'felt the same' or not given the differing structures.
mp_colonist: obviously these will structure experience differently by indicating different bits as important or unimportant.
mp_colonist: take haakon and cortez. one is part of a tradition reflective of the edda.
asciilifeform: with five years' brothel experience << '3 ani experienta' !
mp_colonist: "this 16yo mormon girl has just for the first time encountered and is trying to make sense of"
mp_colonist: "a trained whore with five years' brothel experience would never etc etc"
mp_colonist: nah, im cataloguing the implications of context
asciilifeform: but, positing the fun (vs a taxidermic skin of fun) you can catalogue observables.
mp_colonist: they had fun in different ways, and subscribed to different priors
asciilifeform: the question that almost begs to be asked is whether haakon (cortez, whoever) would immediately seize upon modern tech as being the product of long-dead wizards, as it is.
BingoBoingo: decimation> so perhaps the analogy is something like how cortez would have perceived the aztecs, derpy pagan losers who had a 'civilization' that fell to his merry band << Cortex succeeded in pressingneighbor against neighbor
decimation: so perhaps the analogy is something like how cortez would have perceived the aztecs, derpy pagan losers who had a 'civilization' that fell to his merry band
asciilifeform: (they're 'victorian' gentlemen by comparison)
asciilifeform: the menacing zek on the cover is a real riot, considering how sympathetic the creatures in this book are (compared to russian zeks described in corresponding tomes)
asciilifeform: (among other things)
asciilifeform: describes a watered-down version of the ritual and its sequelae.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: there is a ritual, in a great many cultures, whereby a miscreant (not necessarily inclined to be buggered originally) is 'lowered into pederasty' - normally as a punishment
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Such ananlogues exist, the Jerry sanduskies. The disconnect is in the lazy dictionaries
mp_colonist: just people tend to pretend they don't know this.
mp_colonist: pity there's no jerome k jerome extant to write it
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: not them, either. afaik the translation of russian prison 'pederast' to engl. is 'punk' ('nonce' in british world ?? ) ?
mp_colonist: actually this could be a decent counterpart to svjek story, "rothgar the barbarian in modern day malmo".
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The classic Spartans behing the boarding schools, not the historical greeks
decimation: so he would perceive these 'pederasts' as non-people, too weak to even have honor.
mp_colonist: and there's no one man raiding parties.
mp_colonist: dishonor is a different category, in that it's an affliction of the strong.
decimation: thus, rape & pillage the dishonorable
decimation: mp_colonist: that's an interesting thought, you are probably right. it also makes the actions of the west w.r.t. money obviously 'dishonorable'
asciilifeform: mp_colonist: he would also immediately grasp the present situation as 'nithlings' ('pederasts' to russian prisoner, ??? to english) took control and force people to behave as if they were people and their honour had weight
mp_colonist: then not pay for it.
decimation: asciilifeform: do mix Mr Yarvin's metaphor - what would "Haakon the Fairhaired" do about computers today? would he pointlessly toil with c-machine kazoo or would he bide his time and work on something unique?
gribble: The Asylum | ALPHA HOUSE: <http://www.theasylum.cc/product.php?id=247>; "Alpha House" Feature Film Trailer (from The Asylum) - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dHIVO0mcz8>; The Asylum - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Asylum>
BingoBoingo: ;;google "the asylum" alpha house
asciilifeform: magoscientists complaining about how magomagicians aren't doing magoscience right << obligatory: 'monday begins on saturday' (strugatski brothers.) << exists in english!!
asciilifeform: decimation: if you are inventor, gruntwork (of the kind involved in achieving almost anything substantial with existing computer systems) is a monumental torture.
mp_colonist: "o, they're just these gas knobs, when you turn them the tea warms". tyvm, fucktard omfg bbq
asciilifeform: decimation: this might actually go straight to mp's piece about good knight/conqueror and good father being different animals
mp_colonist: everyone with this pedestrian "oh magic derp". who the fuck of all these would be scientists actually understands, not in the sense of has-read-frege-and-so-on, but in the sense of has sat down an hour quietly to think on the subject - who i say understands numbers ?
decimation: one hypothesis of the 'open source community' based on this evidence: far more motivated to imitate mediocrity than invent unique & interesting
mp_colonist: why not ? why the blindspot ?
asciilifeform: 'picked up the piece - move.' yes.
mp_colonist: tell me this : how come he doesn't include an ydiscussion of the notion of number, or sphere in there ?
asciilifeform: mp_colonist: the man is a geologist (as far as i can judge - a good one) and an amateur scholar of crackpottery. no pretenses at being a monumental philosopher.
decimation: whereas most users of mathematica probably go out of their way (rejecting alternatives) to buy a license (using usg's money of course)
mp_colonist: i might, but the problem is that he's attacking a high level problem and lacks the basics
decimation: then find that they can't afford the license fee when they want to buy it with their lunch money
asciilifeform: decimation: they sure do.
decimation: I suspect a major part of the motivation for 'matlab clone' is that young programmers have matlab stuff down their throats, as explained above
asciilifeform: mp_colonist: dutch is the same guy who did the symmetry-groups thing. he has an astonishing spectrum of strange.
mp_colonist: https://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/PSEUDOSC/21CMagic.HTM << this thing for the record is atrociously bad
asciilifeform: and probably has bearing on the fundamental pathologies of what we call 'open source.'
asciilifeform: decimation: the question of why no 'octave'-like clone exists for mathematica, is not uninteresting
decimation: there's no 'open source mimic' of mathematica, which would be the first step toward improvement I should think
decimation: asciilifeform: unlike mathematica, at least 'octave' exists
asciilifeform would rather boil his belt & accordion than eat it.
asciilifeform has never had the pleasure of actually tasting this 'marvel.'
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: As survivor of the soviet system and pending survivor of the Americunt system... WHy does Velveeta come in block, shredded and sliced forms???
asciilifeform: bury the fscking turds. viagra exists, do we need penis vacuums and stinging beetles in cups ?
decimation: I agree from my limited experience with mathematica that its graphical 'repl' is unique
asciilifeform did not exhume this item to praise 'mathematica' but to bury it - it's an example of something everybody else should have copied and used as permanent baseline for anything new, like kalashnikov.
asciilifeform: another 'glbse'
decimation: the only real symbolic math packing I've seen folks use is 'maple'
asciilifeform: ascii input & output, terrible for any real mathematical work
decimation: I prototype using matlab, but I find the 'index starts at 1' fortranism enraging
decimation: matlab is the de facto standard for dsp development
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah you are right of course. matlab has a 'symbolic' toolbox but the actual programming language is not the same at all
mp_colonist: asciilifeform, can you put the difference in twelve words ?
mp_colonist: so then also q ?
asciilifeform: decimation: not even remotely the same.
mp_colonist: i just hate the format. fucking visual thinkers psssshhh. sinners.
asciilifeform: to answer this question, for those who really are certain they wish to know.
asciilifeform: i was always too lazy to answer this question (and don't fancy getting folks addicted, i laboured under abject druggie hell from it) but the film exists now
assbot: Logged on 11-04-2014 18:39:14; mircea_popescu: my penis is half digested by all the saliva
BingoBoingo: mp_colonist: Apparently there was at least a hint of the discussion http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-04-2014#618044
asciilifeform: (forget 'w. alpha', it's a clown show) mathematica - is example of a product for which not even a vaguely passable (to aficionado) alternative exists, at any price point
mp_colonist: i feel like the bodymod people
mp_colonist: so we're at the point in hipster evolution where cute rebel late hs chicks misrepresent themselves as associated with us for the benefit of w/e cute boy named ethan ?
asciilifeform: beyond it being there on tap when necessary.
asciilifeform: most of the humiliation serves no immediate purpose
mp_colonist: have them suck your desk legs
mp_colonist: asciilifeform, wouldn't last long. this cock sucking thing... truth is, the penis doens't last too long even to normal copulatory friction. saliva is digestive.
decimation: either directly or indirectly
asciilifeform: where he could easily ask most of the hardcore users to suck his cock as a condition of license renewal - and many would.
asciilifeform: i linked to the film not because anything in it is new (the maniac renamed the product after himself, for no reason, but this is uninteresting) but to demonstrate a genuine monopoly product
mp_colonist: guys inside eat the food, buncha derps outside eat peanuts
BingoBoingo: <decimation> right, but in a restaurant you don't have one guy who eats 80% of the food and everyone else eats peanuts << Not undeard of
decimation: right, but in a restaurant you don't have one guy who eats 80% of the food and everyone else eats peanuts
asciilifeform: in that most of their revenue comes from 'whales.'
mp_colonist: asciilifeform, you know, this strikes me as kinda silly. a la restaurant that will mistreat customers ordering $7 worth of coffee because they didn't buy $40 worth of pizza or w/e
asciilifeform: mp_colonist: i am very glad they did not fix. relying on black box turd for a critical piece of mechanics was stupid, and it was necessary to pay with suffering for it (did.)
BingoBoingo: <decimation> BingoBoingo: why not work for the library in exchange for money? << Managing paper is a dying niche
mp_colonist: penetrating the scene what is this, mtv
asciilifeform: *from the folks who we padi
mp_colonist: JuliaTourianski: +BingoBoingo hhaha just someone said to me she's "penetrating the btc scene" so I figured I should probably know of her if that's the case << so much derpage srsly. you need better friends.
asciilifeform: mp_colonist: i did sign off on ~7kBez worth of wolframiana. but did not expect the same level of fellatio as the folks who we paid 40k/seat. and got what expected.
decimation: BingoBoingo: why not work for the library in exchange for money?
BingoBoingo: mp_colonist: just the part where I resign myself to positions the high school students hold, and the part where they still might favor the HS students for it.
BingoBoingo: <mp_colonist> what sort of spite is this, "i won't clean the spinach between my teeth out of spite because you didn't buy me a ring" ? << Dangerous game, folates encourage bacteria and mycellium
mp_colonist: what sort of spite is this, "i won't clean the spinach between my teeth out of spite because you didn't buy me a ring" ?
asciilifeform: so from their point of view i was probably the same kind of ruffian as the mac demo audiences from that other link.
asciilifeform: mp_colonist: perhaps out of spite. they flew sales-muppets to my lab hoping i'd buy a mega-cluster's worth of licenses. i didn;t.
BingoBoingo: So, *crazy idea* thinking about taking volunteer or part time work with the local ,public, library.
mats_cd03: me - I'm working on the bookmarks.
mats_cd03: asciilifeform: you have a bookmarks file with 5000 entries, or you just consult the google?
BingoBoingo: mp_colonist: I do much of the same, but parts of what I do don't influence reality.
mp_colonist: i am not crazy because of my deep seated belief that what i say alters what is and therefore i can't be crazy rite guise ?
mats_cd03: " Well, I am crazy," she told the "The News Junkie" show. "Crazy people don't know they are crazy, so technically since I know I'm crazy I'm not crazy." saved
mp_colonist: mats_cd03, and of course they cite no source rite ?
BingoBoingo: mp_colonist: Nah, they make more interesting cuts when unfurled from bent
assbot: Three-breasted Florida woman Jasmine Tridevil insists third boob is real, but police report shows she once lost 'prosthesis' - NY Daily News
mp_colonist: BingoBoingo: bounce: There's too many razors to keep them all straight << hidden straight razor joke ?
mp_colonist: chick complained someone stole her 3 boob prosthetic last year
decimation: I like kings wallowing in the beast's mouth
decimation: yeah I suspect there are few juicy virtualbox-using targets
asciilifeform: then - handed out for free to gawkers.
asciilifeform: staleness in the sense that whatever profit to be made, was made.
mats_cd03: slow on the up, this one.
mp_colonist: decimation: mp_sails: are you using imarsat? << no idea, not my boat, i just sailed there.
BingoBoingo: mp_colonist: I know. That's... why it is more their worry than mine.
BingoBoingo: Or did the euro sink that much
BingoBoingo: Wow, Disposable pick up truck + fuel plus other side of the darien pick up truck looks cheaper than aeroplane
mp_colonist: kakobrekla: alibaba is supposedly worth as much as all the properties in slovenia. << 1. list slovenia on alibaba for price of 1 alibaba ; 2. have alibaba buy slovenia. 3. slovenia now worth two slovenias.
mp_colonist: ben_vulpes well nothing's hard once you've put the time into it.
decimation: heh yeah that's probably true, he probably selects the food
mp_colonist: i imagine mostly depends on the cook
mp_colonist: decimation, improbable, coinsidering what the crew costs
decimation: I imagine the food quality depends on the faceless cheapness of the corp. who owns the ship
BingoBoingo: oholism, the unrecycleale bile will keep your turds moving.
BingoBoingo: <decimation> "On one of the ships I was on (I won't mention nationality but they're rather fond of beetroot) we didn't have any fruit or vegetables at all, and I ended up requiring surgery abroad due to lack of fibre in my diet. There was hardly any meat either, so not enough protein or fats in the diet either. Unsurprisingly there wasn't a lack of vodka that came with the stores so it wasn't about a low budget. " << Virtue of Alc
mp_colonist: hey what was that film with the zoo keeper that travels on a cargo ship with family ?
decimation: "On one of the ships I was on (I won't mention nationality but they're rather fond of beetroot) we didn't have any fruit or vegetables at all, and I ended up requiring surgery abroad due to lack of fibre in my diet. There was hardly any meat either, so not enough protein or fats in the diet either. Unsurprisingly there wasn't a lack of vodka that came with the stores so it wasn't about a low budget. "
BingoBoingo: It's just the darien sounds a lot like the classic design of a fish trap... And I ate the things in America Grad students can afford to eat.
decimation: because it's the only upside of your day on ship
mp_colonist: course the cheapest way is to just sign up as crew for a voyage.
BingoBoingo: Well if he wasn't he's be in the MLK Jr situation of having 30 heirs.
mp_colonist: not all that different BingoBoingo. choppy sea, then choppy land!
assbot: Dan Weinreb’s blog » Blog Archive » Rebuttal to Stallman’s Story About The Formation of Symbolics and LMI
decimation: lol from ascii's blog : https://web.archive.org/web/20091005062446/http://danweinreb.org/blog/rebuttal-to-stallmans-story-about-the-formation-of-symbolics-and-lmi
assbot: Cubs win 4-3 on Castillo walk-off single in the 10th. Magic Number stays at 4
BingoBoingo: Oh, where's the limited rally nao???
BingoBoingo: The part where in Iowa it takes something other than a study of the water table to determine if a basement is safe... Fuck we are so deep into the future.
BingoBoingo: hanbot: And this is what makes the Middle west Truly Amazing. In Missouri you get lead, Illinois sulfur with the occasional bit of coal, In Iowa you get all the Uranium
BingoBoingo: JuliaTourianski> +BingoBoingo like i said, very young :) << Well you can ascribe judgements and direct people to more interesting aspects of things. Pad uncertain declatory claims appropriately and gnerally work on mastering the sort of IRC ettiquette where you can have 25 conversations at the same time./
BingoBoingo: hanbot: Shame he's on the wrong side of Missouri to do some decent leaded crystal. Where is fucking Quantrill to burn Kansas* when you need him
BingoBoingo: <hanbot> <thestringpuller> I want to see the look on bfl_josh's face. << ever see a face buried in sand? << In Josh's case that has to be glass by now
hanbot: <thestringpuller> I want to see the look on bfl_josh's face. << ever see a face buried in sand?
BingoBoingo: decimation: And yet they could have
decimation: my understanding is that sun never made much money on the os
BingoBoingo: And the T-SHirts...
BingoBoingo: Well Sun probably died when the started handing out Solaris install media to fuckers like me who bought their stock at $3.60
decimation: that, and the cpu vendors used by sun just didn't keep up with intel performance
decimation: some time in the late 90's even management started using windows
decimation: my perception is that sun died when 'wintel' was adopted by the baby boomers
BingoBoingo: Sun was neat too, if only they had kneepads and made a consumer machine
decimation: yeah that's a good point, I guess the bsd lawsuit didn't end until '94
asciilifeform: decimation: 'next' burned it, salted the earth where it stood, and renamed self 'apple'.
decimation: In retrospect, apple should have gotten on the bsd/nextstep bandwagon around '90 or so
decimation: perhaps the macs I had in high school were shit
BingoBoingo: The surviving Mac Classic still boots.
decimation: more often then not it would just lock & reboot randomly
decimation: the fact that our identification mechanism depends very little on freenode security shows a strong point
asciilifeform: be glad for the bell.
asciilifeform: presence of such a mechanism is a very loud bell that you were gravely mistaken to go there at all.
decimation: hehe yeah. when the update mechanism begs you to upgrade, the seduction is hard to avoid
BingoBoingo: decimation: Solution might be to be lazier to avoid the systemd update???
BingoBoingo: <decimation> although they jumped on the systemd bandwagon << Alpine Linux still defaults to clean
decimation: the most annoying part to me is getting rid of a text syslog
asciilifeform: jumped on the systemd bandwagon << and you're using this on your own free will ?
decimation: replacing init scripts that have been inherited from the early unix days with aimless binaries
JuliaTourianski: +BingoBoingo hhaha just someone said to me she's "penetrating the btc scene" so I figured I should probably know of her if that's the case
asciilifeform: aha there it is!
BingoBoingo: Sure, replacement of batteries is possible without soldering and heating batteries, but... I worry about the social engineering threat where nifty microcomputer gets defamed as a bomb by homo retardus
asciilifeform: said who? there was a plug inside.
BingoBoingo: Shame about being the harbringer of iPod solder you own batteries
BingoBoingo: On a related note, wasn't the Palm V a nifty piece of harware?
BingoBoingo: Yeah, turning into a concern at the moment
punkman: BingoBoingo: I already have an adequate tent, but... what would be the nice opposite of that. << http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vb1pdvvoVoQ
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I do appreciate your endorsement earlier for the museum approach to IT
BingoBoingo: You'd have to choose between the coarse mechanism that produces melanin in skin and a scanning tunneling microscope otherwise
BingoBoingo: JuliaTourianski_: Nah, focus happens in degrees, otherwise eyes wouldn't be tenable
BingoBoingo: If you want to investigate who might be representing themselves as Bitcoin to SIliconvalley tards of course be sexist and focus on the girls.
asciilifeform invites others to nominate additional fields we need 'new girls in...'
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> nobody seems to ask 'who're the new girls in high-temperature metallurgy' << Already filed under things I look for in a potential wife.
asciilifeform: nobody seems to ask 'who're the new girls in high-temperature metallurgy'
BingoBoingo: Probably because Julia is the new trendy science language or something
asciilifeform: (me & mathematica - a few years of fun. described here: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=42&cpage=1#comment-2746 )
assbot: "Inside the Wolfram Language" by Stephen Wolfram - YouTube
nanotube: kakobrekla: google translate is now a pay-api... so gotta move to another api provider. and well... it just doesn't seem too urgent :)
asciilifeform doesn't know of any other tlc
JuliaTourianski_: THE LEARNING CHANNEL
BingoBoingo: I already have an adequate tent, but... what would be the nice opposite of that.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Not for biodiesel, for flipping upside down and using as a residence. The hexayurt thing is making me imagine.
BingoBoingo is curious if anyone here casts iron themselves, may be interested in a two hundred thousand quart pot.
BingoBoingo: Is that the 90's band TLC?
BingoBoingo: You know I have no idea why the spicy food fanatics stayed confined to capcaisin when Urushiol containing plants tend to offer a different yet interesting punch.
BingoBoingo: unsolicited, like their PM's
mod6: so, if they ever get a JSON feed, let me know, will add right away.
mod6: so, this interface looks just like CoinMiner.net, and I recall, before they had a JSON feed to parse, I had a lot of trouble scraping the HTML because the pool hashrate is buried in a span