mircea_popescu: kuzetsa the server in question ?
asciilifeform: conceivably, most of the mass present.
asciilifeform: to create the bullet from shit-diamond, it is necessary to remove most of the extraneous matter.
asciilifeform: notice that the analogy is closer than one might like
mircea_popescu: whether to make the piss freeze or to try and electrolytically separate iron from shit is an exercise left for the engineer.
mircea_popescu: if he says this sitting right next to a lathe i'm going to smack his head on the lathe.
mircea_popescu: depends of the context.
asciilifeform: russian saying 'you can't mold a bullet from shit' isn't strictly true - you could, had you sufficient energy, convert the shit into diamond and have bullet
mircea_popescu: as long as you let me beat them selectively i'll have my bomb, and some adoring princesses to follow me around to boot.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: different gedankenexperiment. take redditgurlz, say a dozen. lock them in a dungeon, no food until invent hydrogenbomb.
mircea_popescu: in fact, it's the sentinels that distinguish army from band of drunken revelers.
mircea_popescu: there's no such thing as "the army is generally watching the surroundings". no dude, sentinels, since 2000 years ago and never with an exception since.
mircea_popescu: unless a meteor falls, they're coming home with 10 kids.
mircea_popescu: case 2, every hour of the day one adult is in charge of watching the kids. if anything happens he's in for murder.
mircea_popescu: let's model this. people with young children go camping. 20 adults, 10 children. case 1, "people generally" look after the kids.
asciilifeform: which stone in the roller << this is the basic premise behind 'many eyes' theory, - and we know it is empirically false.
mircea_popescu: in order for the job to be done, nobody needs to do it.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the basic problem is that anyone who tells you that he can do this job - is a liar, right off the bat
asciilifeform: yes - but where are the oars on 'airbus' ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform all flight started with the galley slave.
asciilifeform: yes, they exist. yes, olympic athletes have lifted two metres high for two minutes.
mircea_popescu: except, twice as much, plus all the other benefits of not having to deal with the insane arbitrariety of only doing it to half the population
asciilifeform: security by auditing extant mega-turds is rather like muscle-powered airplane
mircea_popescu: once the "you have one chance, don't fuck it up" model gets implemented universally, we'll have a wholesale return to the pleasant mores of the society constructed on enforcing the same principle upone women only.
mircea_popescu: all the current fucktards calling themselves "developers" would find themselves in the positon of taaki, maxwell et co stat, once someone started leveraging that model aginst their scummy, indolent, ignorant idiocy.
mircea_popescu: the wot cuts right through that.
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mircea_popescu: consider the culture shock a certain justin o'connell endured at my hands : http://trilema.com/2014/so-the-dollar-vigilante-scam-ring-is-going-to-jail/#comment-108121
mircea_popescu: jurov: redhat would be in a position to do it << redhat is a usg subcontractor. this is like saying goldman sachs is in a position to break the aml/kyc bullshit ring.
assbot: The Underhanded C Contest
mircea_popescu: jurov: is anyone willing to pay "we have read the code for you" kind of security? <<< yes. but it's like the case with drinking water : people ARE wiling to pay for drinking water ; people are not willing to pay to have a dam constructed.
mircea_popescu: "map is not the territory", "stat rosa pristina nomine, nomina nuda tenemus", pick your poison.
mircea_popescu: this is exactly the case in here. to imagine one can somehow magically learn "the language" without a) passing the requisite tests and b) interiorising the culture that spawned that language is naive. and if a and b is satisfgied, the form of language is really moot anyway.
mircea_popescu: ing even may be an excessive requirement. if on the other hand in a room with a woman that doesn't want to, you can be e a poe for all the good it'll do you.
mircea_popescu: bounce: now it would help if we can properly articulate what ails us. but we can't, because the terminology has been deliberately confused and watered down and broadened and stretched (by the industry) so as to spread FUD more effectively << you are very naive to imagine the terminology has anything to do with it. point in case : if in a room with a woman that wants to fuck me, i don't need to speak her language. point
mircea_popescu: mike_c: meet behind the school at noon << yo!
mircea_popescu: this bullshit where the lower classes are pushing the language out of shape because they're filthy and stupid can not be tolerated.
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03: language drifts news at 11 << language drifting so as to serve the interests and needs of the upper class is fine.
jurov: asciilifeform: me too. but that's the usg-approved look
mircea_popescu: they end up having kids.
mircea_popescu: since they can't find a sponge that comfortably fits a calender
mircea_popescu: and decide that condoms are bad for africa and pills bad for the environment
asciilifeform: jurov: am i the only one who instantly thought 'dust bin' ?
mircea_popescu: after he rolls her around in flour to see where it sticks they have long soulfull talk
mircea_popescu: the feminist is a 650 lb mountain dew and icecream behemoth with a very popular twitter profile, and a lot of lj experience.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the guy is a 65 lb environmentalist vegan artist with a lot of etsy success, on lesswrong and patronize or w/e that donation site is.
mircea_popescu: this is exactly what's going on. kids are wired to monkey, so they monkey.
mircea_popescu: bounce: VERY DANGEROUS UBERHACKERS << ever see a woman with a little girl trying to cook while the little girl stirred some random items in a smaller pot immitating her ?
asciilifeform: feminist environmentalist dies of contradiction - hormonal pills, pissed out into the ground water, destroying rare fish - etc.
mircea_popescu: and they'll probably meet, and have a child.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves: they wanna jedi mind trick the fappening and NSA etc << there's probably a feminst and an environmentalist somewhere in the us that actually will buy into it.
mircea_popescu: in unrelated news : i've added an email filter rule to drop anything with "bounce" in the headers. best rule ever.
mircea_popescu: "Username/password combinations dont cut it anymore, and Two-Factor authentication is a great way to help secure user accounts. If you have an account with a system that supports it, you should be using it."
asciilifeform: so when do we learn the name of the malicious-c-contest artist who gave us 'shellshock' ?
Naphex: they're quick to update
nubbins`: the bigger question is why you airbrushed your fingertips
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell ben_vulpes puzzle, because am n00b: http://imgur.com/a/JggcG << why does parting tool produce a spiral finish? and what determines the geometry of the spiral?
Naphex: people running CGI must be blowing their minds right now
bounce: of course they /could/ have done all that with ordinary planes, except rules. there's no rules for this yet, so some enterprising clerk or other can just order renting such a thing out of the petty cash.
kakobrekla: but combine the both and you get a selling sensation
bounce: waiting for the wealthy to hit back with an automated drone catcher to shoot the things out of the air
rithm: the bitcoin society is most likely fraternal too if I had to bet
rithm: now you got alumni doing the mit thing
rithm: The Love Will team presented students with information about Bitcoin transactions, mobile hot wallets, and rolled out their new Jacket Wallet, a customized Pheeva hot wallet, specifically for Georgia Tech students and faculty, available on android and in the app store soon. The team plans to create this type of customized wallet at every university that begins to accept Bitcoin on campus.
mircea_popescu: either someone on the ground here pulled a practical joke at the "media" expense, or else us folk running off to argentina is becoming a problem for the minitruth
ThickAsThieves: funny they never call it that in sexual context
mircea_popescu: anyone thinks they can do anything. all vanity, no humility, as if the latter's the sin and the former the virtue.
asciilifeform still doesn't grasp why 'they said' last time.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this time they won't say.
ThickAsThieves: cept the floor keeps rising
asciilifeform: and then buterin's waterfall, again.
asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: they'll easily be seen again when another wretch, like dpr, is captured and sat upon an anthill until he coughs up private key
mats_cd03: my principle concern is getting to 1000btc. i don't know if it can be done, at the current rate of career progression... i need a better job.
ThickAsThieves: or -500 for multiple wallets being the same owner
mircea_popescu: "pay us money, you get a facemorph of all the people in your demo."
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves: it's not a real man, it's face morph of all the men in their target audience <<< this. it's probably the real point of facebook.
asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: at present, the door opens when i open it. just end up having to go back inside to eat.
ThickAsThieves: ascii theyll never let you leave
mircea_popescu: and if you can't find people who work like that, you're not in a good country to do business, quit the bezzlathron and move.
mircea_popescu: i only pay on reception, and if acceptable. never had anything but the loveliest most serviceable contractors.
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03: but every contractor in the world is a miserable, lying thief. << because you pay upfront.
ThickAsThieves: i was thinkin, why didnt they just scan forge it, cmon now
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves: like i couldnt recognize my own sig... << the hand signature thing in the us is nuts by now.
ThickAsThieves: interesting that throw this downturn, NMC has actually been the least affected
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: barely over retard. <<< nah you're just too young to have a clear memory of the 90s :D
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: o look, 1.271 << totally picked the wrong time to close down teh fund
ThickAsThieves: what was the command?
mircea_popescu: jurov: emphasis theirs. dis gon b gud. <<< in that particular way...
ben_vulpes: urethrathermal cryptanalysis
mircea_popescu: you know that's what the tits command should be. !jig
ThickAsThieves: the jig is up
mircea_popescu: well you did say "in the fuck"...
nubbins`: where in the fuck did i put my soldering iron? srsly.
mircea_popescu: if you're going there why not root for fiddy cent sdirectly.
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nubbins`: they're like birds, new things are scary
nubbins`: people want the familiar
The20YearIRCloud: the joys of people making money off of memes
nubbins`: there we go
asciilifeform: jurov: afaik transmeta microcode magic wasn't actually published. possibly (anyone who knows the truth - correct if wrong) - because it was not actually suited for anything but x86.
nubbins`: actually, is that an audio logo on the front wheel?
ThickAsThieves: it's the mangirl that ran ciphermine
bounce: ``However, in her new work, Mersini-Houghton shows that by giving off this radiation, the star also sheds mass.'' -- so hawking radiation means you're looking at an imploding and evaporating ex-star
mats_cd03: http://www.armytimes.com/article/20140923/NEWS08/309230066/Army-chief-Division-headquarters-will-deploy-soon-Iraq >> 1st Armored. give it a month before the dudes in kuwait make their way over. so much for leaving iraq...
lobbes: and the paper wasn't even peer reviewed
nubbins`: they say black holes don't exist, but offer no explanation for what the things we've been calling black holes are
ben_vulpes: there's this impossible-to-circumvent 60-hr onboarding window with new devs on old projects.
lobbes: 'The paper, which was recently submitted to ArXiv, an online repository of physics papers that is not peer-reviewed' << hmm
ben_vulpes: ThickAsThieves: honestly it's a play to get some time to read the code and fuck around with tests before clients start asking for features.
jurov: i plan to try building full node, with atc the blockchain fits in memory
mike_c: i am a fan of the security bug bounties (if they are sizable). gives hackers a way to do their thing and get paid legally.
ThickAsThieves: pretty great argument for them really, not that it's a new one
gribble: The operation succeeded.
jurov: ;;later tell asciilifeform after seeing the lisp machine vid, i remembered there is a contemporary cpu with accessible microcode - transmeta crusoe. only problem i see they worked with torvalds not naggum... but maybe something can be salvaged?
ben_vulpes: <ThickAsThieves> i often think about that, how the hell can someone who cannot/willnot read code, ever be the steward of a software project safely? << for legacy projects i generally angle for an audit phase.
ThickAsThieves: like the guy who made that coin that instamined, and we discovered block reward just resets
ThickAsThieves: like was said earlier, <+mats_cd03> i delay the battles i cannot win and fight with haste otherwise
jurov: no one will risk their rep over C++ mess
ThickAsThieves: is there 1?
nubbins`: one of them could be rogue :0
ThickAsThieves: tis the topic
ThickAsThieves: is there a trustworthy wot-signed document of an auditor saying any version of bitcoin is safe?
mats_cd03: http://courses.cs.vt.edu/professionalism/Therac_25/Therac_1.html << other software related fatalities.
ThickAsThieves: the radar detector detector!
mats_cd03: the watchermen ofc
ThickAsThieves: so who watches the watchmen?
jurov: ThickAsThieves huh? they do have people able to read the code. only currently they spew new one instead
nubbins`: they key is "safely", and you have your answer :)
bounce: plenty money hiring people to do the reading and lots of lawyers to paper over the obvious problems with threats of large fines
ThickAsThieves: i often think about that, how the hell can someone who cannot/willnot read code, ever be the steward of a software project safely?
jurov: redhat would be in a position to do it..but perhaps their current bezzle makes better $$$
bounce: it's a bit like... well, calling everyone who does anything wrong a "wrongdoer", regardless of the details of the crime. do that consistently and there's no discernible difference between a mass murderer and a petty thief, or even someone telling you you left the keys in the door and don't forget to close up, guv.
jurov: is anyone willing to pay "we have read the code for you" kind of security?
mats_cd03: and on the subject of fighting...
bounce: now it would help if we can properly articulate what ails us. but we can't, because the terminology has been deliberately confused and watered down and broadened and stretched (by the industry) so as to spread FUD more effectively
bounce: well, that's the problem innit? people still pay for security (see size of computer security industry) yet are getting none, or at least much less than they should be getting
ThickAsThieves: none of my comments on the state of security were meant to comment on how bounce does security or about what bounce thinks about security
ThickAsThieves: and then some
ThickAsThieves: i was only pointing out that the illusion of security most people hold is long gone
mike_c: meet behind the school at noon
bounce: well, who were you talking to then?
bounce: the "anyway" did that pretty much, yeah
ThickAsThieves: well it's relevant, no? You are behaving the same as what pisses you off. Broadening definitions to suit your degree of being offended.
bounce: the deeper problem with the terminology is that it no longer means anything useful and so gets used like the smurfs use smurfing. and lo and behold, the computer security is just about as useful.
bounce: tsunamis have happened for aeons. yet we like forewarning and protection. youse a bunch of nimby sayers, mats says. no fighting the inevitable!
bounce: it'll be reviled all the same. you can read? therefore you are a hacker. therefore you lose your fourth amendment rights.
ThickAsThieves: yo you hacked the english language and can read?!
bounce: we're already there. "hacker" means "cyberbogeyman" now.
ThickAsThieves: i think you need to brace yourself for the broader definition of hacking
bounce: since they clearly did it...
ThickAsThieves: only that hackers are the demo that would do it ;)
ThickAsThieves: technicality really, he never says the hackers need to hack
ThickAsThieves: also, i'm okay with "hacker" meaning someone who can hack shit together to do rare shit
ThickAsThieves: someone called them hackers?
bounce: looking at cameras makes you a "hacker" now. what does that these peeps make? they SCRIPTED the looking at security cameras. surely that's EXCEPTIONAL SKILL and so they're not merely HACKERS, they're VERY DANGEROUS UBERHACKERS
kakobrekla: http://nsasimulator.com < i heard there some panic re this here as 3 bedrooms from ljubljana were discovered on that thing
rithm: those who operate public facing embedded type webservers that might call on shell scripts and the like
assbot: ShellShock exploited in the wild: kernel exploit with CnC component | Hacker News
rithm: that's shellshock in the wild apparently
assbot: Ok, shits real. Its in the wild... src:162.253.66.76
ThickAsThieves: my theory is everything is a varying degree of scam
kakobrekla: mps theory is scammers are unable to accumulate wealth
ThickAsThieves: ApplePay is the droid youre looking for
ThickAsThieves: sure, i'm not here to defend paypal, but i can appreciate the ad
ThickAsThieves: well they arent leaking titties at least!
ThickAsThieves: http://pandodaily.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/paypal-e28093-we-the-people-ad.png?w=940&h=1729
ThickAsThieves: and now they will be punished
chetty: the workings of current business are running at kindergarten levels?
mats_cd03: whats the relation between kindergarten and contest charges?
ThickAsThieves: the Contest Charges button is broken on my credit card too
kakobrekla: lucky it didnt blow your house up... cause you know, these things happen.
ThickAsThieves: also Lowes subcontracts tyhe work of course, and then this sub subbed it out again
mats_cd03: but every contractor in the world is a miserable, lying thief.
ThickAsThieves: so i paid to have Lowes install a garage door on a rental property, 2mos later it finally happens (skipping some headache details) and they dont actually fully install it and they show me a forged report with my signature
mats_cd03: the original study is about premature ejaculation, but the abstract doesnt describe the definition.
cazalla: i think i read somewhere before fatties last longer because lower test means they're more inclined to think about the womans pleasure
mats_cd03: there is something special about morning coffee time after a long hiatus with tea as a substitute
ThickAsThieves: oh the EUR is reverting to older versions
mats_cd03: theres something about most cheese that makes me retch
ThickAsThieves: wouldnt the net be a better place if all used same standard?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ThickAsThieves: ;;later tell TheNewDeal <TheNewDeal> any response on that foia yet? /// since youve been singling me out, I wanna clear up that, while I did email them an inquiry long ago, I did not personally submit a FOIA request. I simply know of a couple netizens that did. You can expect news to spread fast once(if) it happens.
jurov: emphasis theirs. dis gon b gud.
jurov: https://bitpieces.com/ "Creators are *required* to pay rewards to their funders, starting out small, and growing as they grow their brand."
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Vexual: wheres the indo guys? and bejing?
fluffypony: not off the top of my head
davout: they change sex at some point
davout: they're protoandrous i think
mircea_popescu: davout oh also, did you put your trip in the blockchain ? so the btc community can be really tight kniggit it seems ?
mircea_popescu: i forget which are the clownfish
fluffypony: and you haven't killed each other?
mircea_popescu: davout didja survive the honey ?
xmj: somehow the BTC community is very tightly knit, it seems.
ben_vulpes: it's not that software doesn't smack the operator, but that the operator smacked is rarely the one who wrote it in the first place.
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> ben_vulpes: if software were to start behaving like metal cut, most of the extant practitioners would fellate their pistols. << ask the maintainers of legacy software how they feel
decimation: lol really the 'chipper' in that case should be labeled 'justice 'system''
decimation: "I swear on my magic that I will not put Hermione Granger into the Asplundh in the courtyard," Harry said solemnly, << lolwtf
asciilifeform: generally learn how to stop drifting aimlessly around << this is particularly funny to me, as i 'knew exactly what to do' before interned as a kid, and then began to doubt...
asciilifeform: what will the intern learn?
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mircea_popescu: still takes space and loads the page with a lot of html
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo the only third option i ever saw that made sense was on pg's site. J F M A M J J A S O N D line under line under line
decimation: I assume it's the unlambda stuff?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Yeah it's been a year. I also tried the dropdown thing, but... I rather like the comprehensive page of its own thing.
asciilifeform: decimation: brad parker has a cadr emulator (and a 'verilog' version of the 74xxx circuits!) on his site, read yourself.
decimation: asciilifeform: when Kalman Reti mentioned that the CADR had 'loadable microcode', is he implying that the early stuff (not ivory) had an underlying 'risc' like core?