asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: Official Truth holds that he's a ww2 reenactor gone off the spools
decimation: "Key to the NSA's approval is the ability of the Spartan-6Q device to isolate user functionality within a single device while maintaining tamper proofing. The NSA completed a fail-safe analysis effort on the Spartan-6Q family to confirm that the individual regions of the FPGA are isolated from each other in the event of failure. "
asciilifeform: neither is 'open' in any sense whatsoever.
assbot: NSA Approved Defense-Grade Spartan-6Q FPGA in Production for Highest Level Cryptographic Capabilities Strengthens Xilinx Secure Leadership - Aug 31, 2011
decimation: http://press.xilinx.com/2011-08-31-NSA-Approved-Defense-Grade-Spartan-6Q-FPGA-in-Production-for-Highest-Level-Cryptographic-Capabilities-Strengthens-Xilinx-Secure-Leadership
asciilifeform: to make long story short, there are exactly two vendors of 'high-density' fpga, and their products are almost exactly alike - more so even than 'coca cola' and 'pepsi.'
asciilifeform: almost always there are 'convenient' things rolled in - like pci-e support
asciilifeform: (i don't insist there is no interesting answer to this question, just confess that i don't know one)
asciilifeform: so the turd has to be subtle
asciilifeform: an unexpected cpu in the middle of fpga LUT fabric would stand out even under optical microscope.
asciilifeform: likewise, when people ponder 'chip boobytraps' they are normally thinking of a one-transistor turdlet that creates an 'evil instruction' or whatnot
asciilifeform: if satan is merely listening to your i/o, this is a listening device in the ordinary sense, and not really fpga-specific diddling
asciilifeform: in fact, even if satan lifts the entire netlist of your design, he will have to sweat a great deal to understand which bits to flip.
decimation: satan would give up and bug the toolchain
asciilifeform: none of the 'printing' brouhaha places integrated circuit any closer to manufacture in your kitchen.
asciilifeform: it's a leper's bell for grantsmanship and chumpatronics of the most tedious sort.
asciilifeform: partly because, the amount of damage a dishonest vendor can do is actually minimal
asciilifeform: the vendors (there are exactly two worth mentioning, 'xilinx' and 'altera' - the others sell miniscule turdlets, most often with zero linux toolchain support) also play fast & loose with the word 'gate'
bounce: boo. oh well. back to ttl then (magic-1.org)
decimation: they have little 'units' of logic glued together, with a little look-up table to determine how each one functions
decimation: bounce: ultimately you are still trusting the fpga maker
bounce: you'd at least have access from the gate design on up, already a bit more than COTS CPUs give you
kakobrekla: and heres the fourth.
decimation: yeah there's a spectrum between 'honest mistake' and 'massive fuck-up'
asciilifeform: bounce: all the extant fpga have tightly closed architecture
bounce: tangentially, shouldn't it be feasible to get decent performance out of a suitably open-and-accessible-microcode cpu running on some fpga or other these days?
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: and, in fact, should be presumed dead, and the fellow walking around with my key - ought to go on list.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: if the item i am presently working on is not easily provable honest to an educated reader, then i will deserve to be placed on the list.
bounce didn't catch on to hiding behind lame excuses with the openssl folks, but if so that ought to be enough to get the s/w booted entirely, not just revamped.
decimation: kakobrekla: a worthy dream, but the problem is that if everyone did that, then nobody would make such a platform
kakobrekla: dare to continue as is, you will, sooner or later, find yourself on the list.
kakobrekla: nah. basically everyone should just drop their keyboards and stop coding until there exists a platform where not guilty by default (of using it)
asciilifeform: decimation: at the moment, proven, proud, unrepentant вредители are 'respected faces of the komyooniti', doing as they please.
asciilifeform: bounce: i posit that it must be presumed intentional. the shitgnomes hide behind the impossibility of logically proving their guilt.
kakobrekla: and then we can start pretending.
decimation: asciilifeform: the next step: somehow get a unix distribution that completely excludes contributions from the lustration list
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> what's the most they're going to do ? pay 20k a year for his support ? << Incarceration, especially at the federal level is rarely so inexpensive for the jailers
asciilifeform: specifically in light of the historic re-enactment role he's supposedly playing.
asciilifeform: the hidden little shitgnomes like author of heartbleed - they are the ones who needs the lethal sunlight rays the most.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> although the arse grenade (if he has any brains, has one) probably chafes. << why ?
asciilifeform: lennart p. isn't even a top candidate for the playing cards, because just about everyone already knows what he is.
asciilifeform: it's time for the 'nazi playing cards'
assbot: Lennart Poettering - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
asciilifeform: these people are walking around, alive, and worst of all - continuing to churn out code. which unwitting chumps will actually use.
asciilifeform: of all the sniveling shilling shits who took part in hearbleed insertion, propagation of 'systemd', the like.
asciilifeform: kept, possibly, in the deeds register
decimation: although according to the boycottsystemd webpage, it sounds like systemd 'wants' to take over much of unix userland
BingoBoingo: decimation: systemd temps the desktop systems with login handling
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, others who know who flondor was
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah that appears to be the situation. I don't understand how a gui desktop 'requires' a particular init system
asciilifeform: quite a few things have been trying to suck it in under the cover of 'dependencies'
asciilifeform: decimation: the fortress falls!
decimation: asciilifeform: so I tried to install gentoo in a vm last night, was disappointed that it wanted me to install systemd. apparently one should install 'minimal' and then bootstrap software stack
bounce: I suspect an expert would gather a few good trackers and catch the guy in a week with ~30 people or so.
BingoBoingo: For all we know Frein is just a Richard Jewell who has simply retreated to jack off in the woods for a few weeks and has no idea what is going on.
asciilifeform: 'Bivens estimated that the force hunting Frein has included the "high hundreds to 1,000" members of law enforcement agencies.'
asciilifeform: 'The Monroe County District Attorney's Office filed 15 search warrants since the hunt for Frein began about two weeks ago to search various buildings, but Bivens declined to comment on the warrants. He acknowledged the substantial, and growing, cost to state and federal agencies.'
asciilifeform: 'The Monroe County District Attorney's Office filed 15 search warrants since the hunt for Frein began about two weeks ago to search various buildings, but Bivens declined to comment on the warrants.'
BingoBoingo: But if you are driving a car around the backwoods under the cover of night, use the fucking headlights
asciilifeform: that's the intended implication, at any rate.
TheNewDeal: So on bitbet, I know if you send a tx to an address for an open bet, the address is reserved for you for the entirety of the bet. But is the addr supposed to hold the btc until the bet closes, or no?
asciilifeform: u.s. army snipers have been known to wear them, now that i recall.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: care to hazard a guess re: the diapers?
BingoBoingo: Lights might make a car visible, but crashing it because you kept them off, suspect!
BingoBoingo: "Authorities speculate that Frein, driving with his lights off on Pennsylvania Route 402, failed to see a T-junction and drove into the swamp, then may have traveled 15 to 20 miles on foot to Canadensis, Pennsylvania, where his parents live." << Lesson here
bounce: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Matthew_Frein nice list of toys they're throwing after him
asciilifeform: 'Authorities said Friday that the hard drive of a computer used by Frein provides evidence he had been planning an attack for years. They said Frein's Internet searches included sites on how to avoid police manhunts.'
asciilifeform: 'Frein may see the manhunt as a game, police said, and likely has supplies and a bunker hidden in the woods. Police have found soiled diapers, Serbian cigarettes and other clues that he remains in the area, but are proceeding with caution in part because they believe he may have explosives.'
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: DNS is repropagating
asciilifeform: although the arse grenade (if he has any brains, has one) probably chafes.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: This shutting down an entire Geographic area is what they practiced in Boston, yes?
asciilifeform: this is the n-th desperado, of only the public ones, in kn years, for some pos. int. k.
mats_cd03: there's no end where we're going.
BingoBoingo: Sent out to sea on the same sort of red tape they put in front of decent people who simply disagree with them on matters of justice
gribble: You rated user assbot on Fri Apr 11 14:42:06 2014, with a rating of 10, and supplied these additional notes: !up Periscope.
BingoBoingo: Basically Mpex's week+ summer vacation is the equivalent of assbot being down a few hours.
mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> changed the engine only to figure out brake was on. << loller
kakobrekla: doesnt change that often - this is the first time.
bounce: until the next record change
ADutchGamer: So it's just a matter of waiting a few hours and then it will work?
bounce reloaded named and it still shows up with the same thing. possibly a SOA problem. oh well.
ADutchGamer: I'm trying to catch up but all they show is flush dns
ADutchGamer: is anyone working on the log and bash yet?
penguirker: New blog post: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/09/27/where-are-those-baseball-bitbets-now-oh-some-are-still-open/
kakobrekla: changed the engine only to figure out brake was on.
guruvan: more settlements like that likely on the way too
mats_cd03: i have felt the compulsion to reproduce its features on occasion
mats_cd03: i find myself wishing there was an assbot in every chan i idle in
bounce: guy wasn't looking where he walked and so walked right by the security checkpoints. obvious answer? evacuate the whole airport.
assbot: iPAD-FONDLING fanboi sparks SECURITY ALERT at Sydney airport The Register
pete_dushenski: the different between information theory and epistemology? some mathematical rigour here and there.
pete_dushenski: https://www.facebook.com/13012333374/photos/a.10150109720973375.279515.13012333374/10152488919783375/?type=1 << taleb on information theory's centrality.
bounce: bit of a difference between "rigging something up" (building something, say making good use of known principles such as laws of nature) and "rigging the system" (which recurses, say, playing the SEC)
asciilifeform: hence then 'pest' for both flea and plague rat.
mircea_popescu: and other things
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if you gonna pretend like the peasants are people, you're stuck pretending language as they speak it is language, and that fifty words should be enough for everyone
asciilifeform: this was less of a thing in 19th c. and prior educated english text, and he noticed the changeover
mircea_popescu: the small thing that brings doom
asciilifeform: 'wrecker' isn't even an exact translation. originally, 'pest', really, as in agricultural - or the rats and mice in kitchen
asciilifeform: ^ 'wreckery', 'by way of the wreckers'
assbot: Heartstrings. Music of the Holocaust
asciilifeform: as for herr lenat himself - looks like he's finally settled into island fortress, or the like: http://www.informatik.uni-trier.de/~ley/pers/hd/l/Lenat:Douglas_B=
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: neato. now one of these days i actually write the turdifesto to go with these.
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bounce: oh I don't mind them going the way of the dodo. the thing was rather moriarty was rationalising their existence as "best possible (evar)", which I disagreed with
mircea_popescu: and if the system is uprooted, you really think something like its coiffure fashions a la mastercard would somehow survive ? how.
mircea_popescu: but that can't work in the current system.
bounce: at the end of the complaint would be something much akin to your "bring back pecunia non olet" argument
mircea_popescu: airlift is achieved through "rigging the system" of dynamic equilibrium
mircea_popescu: rigging the system is pretty much the only strategy. give an example of something else at work.
bounce: hmno, I don't think rigging the system is a good long-term strategy. it shouldn't be necessary, and if you think it is, you're venturing into empire territory.
mircea_popescu: this is for sure. they're a part of it, like the hair styles of the late empire are part of the late empire.
mircea_popescu: bounce well, they won't go anywhere for as long as the system that spawned them lasts.
bounce: the card racket's profits do mean it's not going to be replaced. also the convenient fobbing off of risks to everyone else. (chargebacks to the merchants, privacy problems to the "consumer")
mircea_popescu: dude reading this moriarty fellow interact with xmj is like watching a drunk clown trying to ride a cow with k-j, except the clown is really a cow in clown costume and the cow really a clown in cow costume and again adn again.
mircea_popescu: bounce: but the takeaway ought to be that you (ie, those in power) are rigging the system then blaming the victims for having let the system end up being rigged against them. <<< this is exactly right. how else would anything work ?
bounce: so, a people of scolds, then
mircea_popescu: women being the border.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: we could start with his idea of 'young and old men ought to live in separate countries.' << they do, mostly.
pete_dushenski: it was a rather critical tongue
pete_dushenski: why? because there weren't many things
mircea_popescu: it's quite amusing, and will put the entire "secret cabal" thing into such perspective...
mircea_popescu: decimation: I don't get the jews. why do they care about jews? They are just a small subset of europeans among the unwashed masses of europeans <<< you should learn yidish to see the things some jews think about some other jews.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: a professional scammer not scamming usg also, would be like a pro mechanic who won't fix own car << these words.
mircea_popescu: decimation: apparently sabu of anonymous was living in a usg welfare apartment << the great "we infiltrated them for once" success story ? myeahg.
mircea_popescu: you probably want to be sovereign on your own [inasmuch as you bought them] chips
mircea_popescu: it means exactly what signatures ever meant : nvidia wants to be sovereign on its own [inasmuch as it produces them] chips
mircea_popescu: <pete_dushenski> asciilifeform: is this buono or male? <<< suppose your roommate goes "certain aspects of the appartment are only available with my permission".
assbot: [Phoronix] NVIDIA Alerts Nouveau: They're Starting To Sign/Validate GPU Firmware Images
asciilifeform: 'certain aspects of the NVIDIA graphics processor chip will only be available to... ...firmware images that have been signed by NVIDIA.'
ben_vulpes: that* the things
asciilifeform: http://extropians.weidai.com/extropians.4Q99/3352.html << guess: the bugger went there, destroyed it.
asciilifeform: this mirrors the (almost-contemporary!) soviet mistake
asciilifeform: but there is no phase space transition from cuban scrapyard cars to mazerati.
asciilifeform: forced, because it (or something entirely like it) is the only way to build a software ecosystem on scrapyard hardware.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i must disagree exactly '180 degrees' about rms. he in fact did do a 'gotta' species of forced mistake. specifically, chose to accept eternal unix-clone retardation as gospel, because no alternative (in his mind, at the time)
asciilifeform: or rather, in an arc.
chetty: was it? from his point of view, at the time? I have trouble trying to imagine some of the early stabs at tech
mircea_popescu: forget the meta game
mircea_popescu: also, focus on the simple items.
asciilifeform: (despite this, he became the poster child of 'inventor starves, sponsor wins')
asciilifeform: except the item in question cannot be produced by industry. it's a craftsmanship item.
mircea_popescu: no, because it is always going to be the same : industry.
asciilifeform: also matters what kind of process is necessary to bring the item.
mircea_popescu: obviously i can appreciate your position : for all the banality of sex, it's still a big deal to the virgin.
asciilifeform: the type of item.
mircea_popescu: the only relevant change there is that the car is history and the moon lander is not.
mircea_popescu: you figure it's specifically the item in question ?
mircea_popescu: they'll go on to reddit to discuss how X Y and Z are betting websites for as long as they can still find coins in mom's cushions to pay for the pizza.
mircea_popescu: forget "hearts and minds", that's the telltale preoccupation of a dying empire. concern yourself with the ground under their very feet and let them figure it out.
mircea_popescu: decimation: it is because of the dynamic range allowed in a single blob <<< this is nonsense. the "range" is not intrinsic to the blob. the blob will only hold as much as it physicall can. what its concents mean to you, is entirely up to you
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: if you had a truly clean break with the age of turdware - there would be a market for about six machines. << this is diletante business analysis. you really only need one, provided it works. look into the early history of ford cars.
mircea_popescu: this is a major cause of the foss taking so very long to be killed.
mircea_popescu: he just woke up to the concept of "never do something stupid, no matter how much you "gotta" "
asciilifeform: as far as i can tell, rms was defeated in his original life. and ended up performing almost the equivalent of a seppuku - had to retool and rescue some very small thing that could be salvaged, and turned it into another life.
mircea_popescu: but unlike the other fucktards involved, he didn't go away into the night, and his efforts are at the root of why we even pose a problem to the usg today in the first place.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: notice that rms will not speak of lisp to this day. the demise of lmi cut him off from the genuine machines (there was no possibility of baking one by his lonesome, or with his band of ragged dervishes, any more than they could launch a mars mission)
mircea_popescu: and if your project is long term... well there you go.
mircea_popescu: in general, not doing something stupid "you got to do" is better on the long term than doing it.
mircea_popescu: rms's tortured existence is proof as to their uneven strength : neglecting the "gotta" works better than baking it in.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it was easy to foresee. but what alternative, when you gotta have the wealthy prince?
asciilifeform: though, i've been told that even actual enlistment is now open to folks of fairly advanced age and shoddy physical condition, with the proviso that you will 'fly a desk'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: then squadron with stone megacock can feel victorious, vindicated. << methinks this view is a little too convenient.
asciilifeform: chetty: i was speaking more generally of employment with usg rather than proper soldiering as such
mircea_popescu: chetty was this before or after they started paying terrorists for the safe return of deserters ?
asciilifeform: this applies not only to the killing arts, but even something like - chemistry.
asciilifeform: there are other sponsors - but most of them require an 'in.' (ethnic, familial, whatever kind of 'in'). only one sponsor has press-gangs on the streets, taking all-comers.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is also, in a fairly large geographic zone, the only readily-accessible sponsor of many activities a thinking man (or 'man of action') would like to take up.
mircea_popescu: decimation: usg is the unintentional beneficiary of a great deal of "I want to make a difference" altruism << so no, it's not altruism. unrelated to that, there's a lot of "usg is the only obvious recipient for a bunch of faking of the <i want to not have sex but for everyone in school to think i do> sort."
mircea_popescu: ownership is a convention, meaningless outside the convenants.
mircea_popescu: who claims to own it... whatever, im sure the fish acting as host for whatever parasite's obligate fish phase are "owned" by someone, at least according to them.
mircea_popescu: military service of some sort or another is a required stage in male maturation.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the u.s. army installation i once worked in had the biggest, fattest herds of deer i've ever seen in person...
mircea_popescu: in spite of there being numerous posters in full view saying "by traipsing around here you agree to blablabla"
mircea_popescu: decimation: what I find inexplicable is that you find folks in the us who absolutely hate everything about usg policies, in terms of how it mismanages wealth, fails to jail criminals, etc, and yet are willing to serve the military side <<< similarly, the wild animals that hate everything about the government will still traipse around on "government property"
kakobrekla: i plan to put some stuff there myself, such as log dump etc
asciilifeform: most of the 'why' pissed - censored
asciilifeform: stated that u.s. engineers pissed pants at some of the integrated circuitry found therein
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: laugh, but the recently released 'glomar explorer' howard hughes ru. submarine plunder reports...
mircea_popescu: "the Russians are from three to five years ahead of the US in the field of atomic aircraft engines and they will move even further ahead unless the US pressed forward with its own program"
penguirker: New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/three-steps-to-take-three-steps-and-other-tales-from-the-shitswamp/
penguirker: New blog post: http://contravex.com/2014/09/27/on-the-stupidity-of-biometric-security-for-smartphones-and-smartwatches/
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the how & why of the whole thing: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-09-2014#845694
mircea_popescu: then promptly forgot.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i am notorious for taking more than one pass through the material to grok it, more than one set of lips on the tool to spill it etc.
asciilifeform: ^ that thing of beauty - was discussed here in the past...
mircea_popescu: ou don't read trilema or any other venue where people who know more than you are likely to call you and your friends idiots.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: lol that turd reads like it was a 'mad libs' product << three steps to take to avoid making any sort of meaningful change : a) stick to obama & the libertard's mickey mouse version of "change" ; b) pretend like disaster is unlikely and so the possibility can be safely ignored while it's not happened yet ; pretend it's "overwhelming" as so best ignored as it happens and shortly thereafter ; c) make sure y
mircea_popescu: turns out the universe itself works on a queue
mircea_popescu: "that's where the limit on interaction debit first became apparent"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: as far as anyone can tell - equal to 'c' <<< the idea being that "the speed of light" is not "of light" in any sense other than the champagne is champagne
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell MolokoDesk anyway, the ideal here is to have everything in order to i can put the various sept reports on it.
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> what is rms holding in the photo? << toe jam?
mircea_popescu: fucktards these people.
mircea_popescu: "If the country can continue operating as smoothly as it does for another year, I'll be surprised." << you can tell casey research his bet is on.
dignork: mircea_popescu: on a concept level lurkmore is a copy of encyclopedia dramatica, but they do much better job imho
MolokoDesk: yeah, there's a pending item stuck in the queue because it missed (probably) it's block.
dignork: alternatively, just hack out the part talking to electrum servers, few pages of python code
MolokoDesk: ok. I'm out for the day.
MolokoDesk: also I'd be setting up binary buffers and cryptosigning them and all that. it's a chore.
MolokoDesk: I have fallback capability in the bot but it's not active. I can track with two different website APIs. there's only one wallet, but more can be added.
MolokoDesk: electrum is the gold standard for this sort of thing (pun intended) but that's a serious dev/admin/maintenance thing on this end. If I had electrum RPC already at the start of this I may have done it that way. it's still on the desirable things to do list.
mircea_popescu: dignork it also happens to be the correct way to handle this. the "wallet" nonsense still boggles my mind.
MolokoDesk: oh, are you going to register deedBot with WoT or should I do that or, leave it indeterminate. I can export the keys and give you a copy.
MolokoDesk: any mid-course corrections other than so far?
MolokoDesk: well, unless we can break it some more today... I can get on this. I've been up rather a while today.
MolokoDesk: scanning back would allow the tracking interval to be longer than a minute or 5
MolokoDesk: sure. I was considering looking for block height increments of more than 1 and then scanning back. alternatively, scan backwards to the first block with a date before the incoming file creation date.
MolokoDesk: etiolation due to low light. also cactus seedlings have cotyledons like most other dicots.
mircea_popescu: can it sniff the top 6 blocks ?
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk these freakishly fast blocks happen a lot actually.
mircea_popescu: is this how it grows ? is it upset with the light ?
mircea_popescu: so if anyone knows anything about growing cactuses, get back to me. i got a tiny something, which i believe is armatocereus godingianus. he seems happy enough and is growing, but the shoots are all spindly. ie, the base like 6 strands each an inch thick, each shot this inch long, 1/8th of an inch wide things.
MolokoDesk: deedBot is sniffing the top block once 60 seconds. if a freakishly fast block mining event happens back to back it could miss the inclusion in the block.
punkman: I suspected "smooth" as the most common adjective in ratings
MolokoDesk: http://www.postalrocket.com/DEEDS_TEST/wotFreq_01.html messing about with the WoT RatingsSystem.db earlier, punkman.
MolokoDesk: queue is more robust against various other collision events. I intend to queue incomings.