ben_vulpes: there is also a "sync my data" thinger for new phones.
Diablo-D3: you have to manually go into the photo app and tell it to copy selected photos to local
ben_vulpes: well "immediately" per the local pipe throughput
Diablo-D3: [10:44:37] <ben_vulpes> an acquaintance of mine was recently derping on his girl's phone, as there was a hilarious loop where her old phone had 16G of stuff and was utterly full, bought a new phone with...16G of storage, connected it to her 'iCloud' account, and watched as the thing immediately filled up and bricked itself
ben_vulpes: his hypotheses: she'd plugged his phone into her computer at some point and "sure whatevere"'d all his photos onto her computer, and thence to apple
ben_vulpes: DURING the hacker fix process for this (which ultimately entailed deleting the iCloud account in question), my acquaintance and sometime colleague was browsing through the lady's photos to find...
ben_vulpes: an acquaintance of mine was recently derping on his girl's phone, as there was a hilarious loop where her old phone had 16G of stuff and was utterly full, bought a new phone with...16G of storage, connected it to her 'iCloud' account, and watched as the thing immediately filled up and bricked itself
asciilifeform: (other than 'stay in castle, don't use portable electronics at all')
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: everyone likes to laugh at apple. but there is no obvious alternative to some of their products.
ben_vulpes wishes he'd considered the scansion
TheNewDeal: coins so cheap they're almost free
SELLNOW-CRASHING: ICBIT buy there
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up-me-plz: cazalla: re, bitcoinprivilege.com I cannot wait for the changes due to bitcoin allow the re-introduction of whip & chain slavery...
cazalla: bah, not authenticated
cazalla: like a cake, it's needs to stay in the oven a bit longer before i serve it to him
dignork: ben_vulpes: "currently we use blockchain.info and helloblock.io to track the addresses and look up transactions"
dignork: i had to look it up, because I couldn't beleive they continue to market it as something that makes sense
dignork: thestringpuller: soylent is a failed experiment - their final cost is higher than average food basket
mats_cd03: not as thougg he stormed off the job like some clerk, but still. lol.
bounce has often enough wished for a nice "complete meal bar". rip open, munch, done with the food. though could never be arsed to go out and find something satisfying.
mats_cd03: there's a middle ground to be had
ben_vulpes: mats_cd03: i eat real food, but i'm fascinated with the people who insist on living like the poor humans kicked out of the Matrix
ben_vulpes: the enpoopifier?
ben_vulpes: mats_cd03: soylent << http://survivorind.com/3600.html all the upside, none of the software derps killing people with atoms
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> decimation ... filter by the people who read and signed off << i grow more convinced every day that the vast majority of people who write software cannot also read software
ben_vulpes: "arrayForth is a complete, interactive software development and debugging environment for GreenArrays Chips. It includes assembler/compiler, example source code including all ROM on each chip, a full software-level simulator for each chip, and an Interactive Development Environment for use with real chips. The latest release is configured by default for the EVB001 Evaluation Board, for which Virtual Machine support and other tools are
ben_vulpes: (which i learned recently is still running on the "i don't know how to server, guise" "PaaS" Heroku)
mircea_popescu: don't these people know she';s black ?
chetty: The next time Michelle Obama stands before an audience of countries where women are truly discriminated againstsome forced to cover their entire bodies or have a male guardian with them in publicand complains that America struggles with harmful cultural norms that tell women how they are expected to look and act, forgive me if Im a little embarrassed.
assbot: Why Michelle Obama Was Wrong to Trash America at the UN
bounce: what does the walmart employee make, across their three separate jobs minus the transport costs to get from one job to another? also, why do they have three jobs and still need food stamps?
mircea_popescu: and they'll say sure, ample.
mircea_popescu: so nobody is complaining. like, i can hire someone for 2k a month because they won't complain.
bounce: there's some outsourcing (and grumbling the work coming back is sub-par) and some grumbling about "jobs lost" and such. but the spacex thing is relatively recent, and I haven't really noticed much drive to cut the costs of the various wars being waged, for example. it's just... lower taxes, spend more, run up a bigger debt bill.
bounce: nobody's complaining that dollars are buying so much less in the developed world, though
mircea_popescu: bounce right, "<mircea_popescu> it doesn't cost THEM fifty trillion to try and fail to build a new airplane."
mats_cd03: i wonder if they used duct tape.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the inescapable moral of story is that it is much cheaper to launch the rockets - horizontally - and clean up earth from pests
bounce: notice how india got there for less budget than that movie. and less than a third of a single "cheap, reusable" shuttle launch
asciilifeform but definitely grasps the appeal
mircea_popescu: unless the planet is naturally hospitable, unless there's an angle somewhere, not happening.
asciilifeform: interestingly, no one, afaik, has mentioned the solid prerequisite of fixing RuBisCo enzyme.
mats_cd03: close enough to menace earth and there might even be resources
mircea_popescu: you could live on the antarctic right now, if you fancy paying 2k for a bottle of fizz.
mircea_popescu: there's no stars bs.
mircea_popescu: or unless earth goes to shit to the degree of making mars look like freshly shaved virgin pussy
mircea_popescu: unless there's a hospitable planet somewhere,
asciilifeform: off-planet is appealing precisely because of the cost, for enemy, of following you there.
chetty: people wont go 'to the stars' until they stop squabbling over pieces of pie on earth, ie never
bounce: also, "reaching for the stars" is much more appealing than digging hobbit holes
mircea_popescu: so then why mars specifically ? why not real estate 5000 feet underground.
mats_cd03: think of the experiments we could perform over millenia.
bounce: in the current set-up with deliberate inflation it's... not a good idea.
mats_cd03: ive been thinking about space exploration. are we going to carve up mars into nations? or, perhaps further into the future, every nation gets its own planet
mats_cd03: the memory of your enemy on your shores is something that stays vivid for a long time
mircea_popescu: people can get by for a while just making good use of the history book.
mircea_popescu: (and europe pushing china out of their galileo thing was incredibly stupid, but then again europe is chiefly remembered in history for astounding stupidity)
chetty: well I wouldnt call it novel, but it does seem they read history better than most
mircea_popescu: that's novel enough for their needs.
bounce: it'll be a while but it'll be stuck a goodly while too. a thousand years of stagnation they've already had.
mircea_popescu: there's no way to effectualy destroy these, and there's no way the us aircraft carriers could survive an hour in a hostile china sea.
mircea_popescu: chetty i will tell you one new idea they came up with. they made the astoundingly daring move of organising their defense on sane grounds. china is surrounded by about a million rockets.
chetty: inventiveness is not a high point of china, doubt they will come up with any new ideas
mircea_popescu: china's parents woudn't approve, and moreover china doesn't want to be either stupid or in possesison of a car wreckage.
mircea_popescu: even if the us imagines that now that china has the better car it should drive it the same way it drove its own, right into a wall.
mircea_popescu: and china is liable to continue on the course that brought it success, humbly begging for what it wants, rather than suddenly swich to the course that sunk the us.
bounce: at the same time they have a serious plaggiarism problem (they copied "publish or perish" too, bwahahaha) so long term they're risking stagnation
mircea_popescu: quite far from a theory, this.
mats_cd03: an interesting theory
mircea_popescu: whereas china has not nor will ever do the same.
mircea_popescu: no, i mean the us has transferred all its technology there in exchange for cheap labour but under condition it shares the tech
mircea_popescu: it doesn't cost THEM fifty trillion to try and fail to build a new airplane.
mircea_popescu: bounce china is sitting prettier than everyone for the very simple reason that it has the absolute lead in all technology.
bounce: also, we are running headlong into the aging workforce problem now; china has a while to fix it and by that time can steal all those smart carebots the japanese are building
bounce: on another note, we've had quite a lot of skillfully-hidden-in-the-numbers inflation that's well above the official growth rates. thus depleting both savings and hiding an effective economic decline
chetty: well the age spread of the population may cause some issues, even if you ignore economic growth
mircea_popescu: and certainly the chinese have "problems" they never heard of. similarly to how putin "doesn't understand how reality works".
mircea_popescu: so you know, arab women are unhappy because they don't live in the downtown on foodstamps, which has to be better than what they got because what else is the speaker doing there ?!
mircea_popescu: bounce you will have to appreciate idiot western peoples, even without any help from the propaganda machine, automatically interpret phenomena in a certain key.
chetty: dont think the issue of lots of extra menn has come up before, might twist traditions a bit
mircea_popescu: china is traditionally a sort of dog vomit (the fungus). it doesn't really war.
mats_cd03: i guess there are going to be a lot of gay chinese men in that generation
mircea_popescu: where they don't need to invade places to win.
mircea_popescu: doubt they really need to. besides, they're playing this game of humiliating the us,
mats_cd03: an aggressive china would be interesting to see...what would they take first?
mats_cd03: theres even a ribbon now! wear a yellow ribbon, for democracy in hong kong.
mats_cd03: whatever happens, the party has the wealth and patience to wait them out...just like with taiwan
gribble: The operation succeeded.
punkman: the butthurt
mircea_popescu: "Programmers have indeed created a universe where "science doesn't work." Learning where the permanent bugs and workarounds are inside a phonebook-length API teaches you nothing. It is anti-knowledge. Where your mind could have instead held something lastingly useful or truly beautiful, there is now garbage."
Vexual: multiply it by some other number
Vexual: well ill double the number of goats i can peel a day
mircea_popescu: always fascinating what extremes idiots will go to before owing to their idiocy.
mircea_popescu: so the latest revision of the dsm crapolade actually lists relationship ~intensity~ as a clinical pathology.
Vexual: and your younger brother is invariably better at everything
mircea_popescu: so he's attacking me and he's the one with the liability ? wtf is wrong with kids today.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform btw you ever heard of the exploits of one Yevno Azef ?
mircea_popescu: cazalla if you're going there for a massage you get a massage. if you're going there for a blowjob you get a blowjob
Vexual: what the hell are you asking me?
cazalla: so are they legit massage or topless asian student gives ya a handy massage?
Vexual: yeah i kinda know the concept
cazalla: you know the sorta ones fronted by asians Vexual?
cazalla: so these massage adverts online, are you meant to read between the lines when it says not a sexual service?
Vexual: i had a look, the cats a bit mental
cazalla: Vexual, i'm not really following dcc closely, just read the ann that come out on asx
mircea_popescu: time for another above 400 bet ?
mircea_popescu: so get in the wot and stop being dorky ?
RagnarDanneskjol: ok me neither, flushed dns still no
Vexual: champagne to order the pain
Vexual: comic timing and the rhyming while were priming
mircea_popescu: <decimation> asciilifeform: that gets to the root of the problem. I have no idea << this is like proposing that the show moves out of town to save on props. the town is the show. the props are just the props.
Vexual: its the boss
mircea_popescu: <decimation> my personal opinion is that something bad happened on the jet, oxygen got sucked out before anyone could do much, becomes 'death ship' << <nah trhey have a whole system with masks etc.
mats_cd03: on the subject of eating people, the new Hannibal is incredible and you should all watch it
gribble: dub was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 2 hours, 7 minutes, and 20 seconds ago: <dub> 50 types of forcemeat the soviet dream
Vexual: happy mondays, the mans name is sean ryder
RagnarDanneskjol: whats the name of that band you posted video a few weeks ago. dopey looking guys 80s band on top of a hotel - i recognized them but forgot. good song i hadnt heard in decades
gribble: There were no matching configuration variables.
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=piss%20poor | 1)im gonna be piss poor this month since i spent all my paycheck on crack. 2)I hired someone to paint my car but they did a piss poor job. by mullett December ...
decimation: as my links show, bullshit artistry runs the us
Vexual: yeah i still kinda like the frist one better
decimation: yeah actually that was the wrong link, I wanted the second one. but both demonstrate voter stupidity
assbot: Why Democrats and Republicans dont understand each other - Vox
decimation: and this one. http://www.vox.com/2014/9/15/6131919/democrats-and-republicans-really-are-different "And they note that while voters tend to agree with Republicans on the philosophical questions in American politics (should government be smaller?) they tend to agree with Democrats on the policy questions in American politics (like should Social Security be smaller?)."
Vexual: advanced the cirriculem and all?
decimation: Vexual: cs degrees were excluded by the earlier pdf, because it was focused on engineering
asciilifeform: Vexual: which 'they' ? here - yes. (though, continuously diluted in the requirements)
Vexual: do they still do compuer science degrees?
decimation: it would explain the derping for immigrants too, if one interprets as 'noblesse oblige'
decimation: asciilifeform: that's a pretty likely hypothesis
asciilifeform: ^ or propose another explanation for, e.g., reviving 1990s 'man in the iron mask' virtual oculars
decimation: well, for the price of one whatsapp, facebook could have hired 6 years worth of graduates, pay them each $100k salary and $100k to do something interesting
decimation: the us only graduates ~15,000 b.s. degrees in electrical or computer engineering
Vexual: yeah knowing what you want is the hardest part
asciilifeform: why would they want to save money ?
mats_cd03: because they've managed to create a talent vortex in SV
decimation: you know, if apple (and the rest of the silly-con valley band) really want to save money, why not relocate to des moines?
decimation: these whiners about bendy iphones are hilarious. we want our iphones paper thin but NOT BENDY!
decimation: in ancient Rome the equivalent would be how to consult the entrails of a chicken to see if the gods are pleased
decimation: it seems to me that these are fundamentally religious in nature
asciilifeform: mats_cd03: glorious things. esp. when being marched in despite having no conceivable role in the proceedings.
decimation: I had a friend who was white, married a black woman. he still had to go to the mandatory racial sensitivity class
mats_cd03: there were a lot of those time wasters.
mats_cd03: he told me once he would sometimes tune the speakers out... such jealousy
TomServo: 22:20.16 +mats_cd03 | it would typically tend with the audience half-asleep, horrified, or angst-ridden
Vexual: meanwhile the japanese girl is advancing hydrodynamics without even trying
mats_cd03: topics included consent while inebriated, with the tag-line often being 'if you're drunk and she's drunk, neither of you can consent, so you're rapin each other up in here'.
mats_cd03: it would typically tend with the audience half-asleep, horrified, or angst-ridden
mats_cd03: i used to attend these sexual harassment briefings while in .mil
assbot: We May Have Problems, But at Least We're Not Jailing Artists for 3-D Printing Their Vaginas - The Daily Show - Video Clip | Comedy Central
mats_cd03: asciilifeform: http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/qnk18t/we-may-have-problems--but-at-least-we-re-not-jailing-artists-for-3-d-printing-their-vaginas
assbot: Helios Airways Flight 522 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
decimation: my personal opinion is that something bad happened on the jet, oxygen got sucked out before anyone could do much, becomes 'death ship'
mircea_popescu: but by the age of infertility one'd expect even a libertard to wisen up a little.
mircea_popescu: definitely makes one suspicious if they aren't.
mircea_popescu: there's this failure that aspires to be an artist through pr.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> not so smart making calls on babies, either. l;et them grow first. << What I like about Deraadt is while Pottering came to make Lindows, De Raadt's came into *nix fascinated with process separation http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/10/07/1097089476287.html?oneclick=true
mircea_popescu: it's so sad to see the libertard behaviour trying to take hold in otherwise pleasant countries.
asciilifeform must have missed the first part, if 'still'
assbot: Japanese artist cuffed for disseminating 3D ladyparts files The Register
TheNewDeal: vexual, what's the drink count at tonight?
Vexual: yeah, the costs of throwing a can of jolt at a $2000 lcd have gone up too, and you need better aim
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu> bounce it gets complicated, obviously. tbh i don't have atm an opinion on the libre thing << My read. Watch the chopping for a year or two and see what happens.
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal something like that. but that was in 2013.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they could it as however many gates it is made of. and conveniently forget to mention that they can't be rewired using the switching matrix (only a rather smallish number of 'generic' gates can)
TheNewDeal: wasn't the last conference like 5 btc entry?
bounce: ultimately the APIs it offers need to go since they're badly designed and tricky to use correctly. but you can't exactly do that for a drop-in replacement. this is a low-hanging fruit approach. though the new crew is IMO a better deal than throwing money at the guys that made such a mess of it, as google et al did.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> counting a shifter as 'xxx gates' worth << how the fuck does that work. bit register shifting ?
assbot: 20 Freescale staff on vanished Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 The Register
BingoBoingo: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/03/09/20_freescale_employees_missing_on_mh370/ << 0.o
mircea_popescu: bounce it gets complicated, obviously. tbh i don't have atm an opinion on the libre thing
bounce: well, not entirely. they started kicking out "cruft" but keeping the general structure and core code
empyex: mircea_popescu: Next conference starts in 6 months and 20 days. Estimated cost today: 3.27056492 BTC (Details: http://trilema.com/2014/the-conference-third-edition/ )
mircea_popescu: de raadt made the same call
TheNewDeal: like the irl one
mircea_popescu: * bounce didn't catch on to hiding behind lame excuses with the openssl folks, but if so that ought to be enough to get the s/w booted entirely, not just revamped. << it is.
TheNewDeal: whens the next #ba meetup?
mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> dare to continue as is, you will, sooner or later, find yourself on the list. << this is a valid concern.
mircea_popescu: we have an ample overabundance of both humans and capital goods. why is excluding all the vendors or all the social mediated shitheads a cost ?
bounce: hard to tell who's doing the circle jerking though.
asciilifeform: 'This gift certificate entitles the bearer to 1 (one) of our latest model of our most popular sexecution device the VibrotineTM 6000 GSP.'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: guillotine << after years of searching, i finally found that ancient tale: http://www.asstr.org/files/Collections/snuffstories/Honda-Matic/TheVibrotine.html
bounce: you know, I've always had an instinctive disliking of avahi, without even having to read the code. some code really can smell right through everything.
mircea_popescu: <decimation> the problem is that nearly all hardware vendors would be on the list too << how i this a problem ?
mircea_popescu: any pig may take a piss on the blade late december. whether he does or does not, come christmas...
mircea_popescu: that's the privilege of sheep.
asciilifeform: not even pretending to bother to hide.
mircea_popescu: tasting othe rpeople's shit is a valued skill
mircea_popescu: nobdy gives a shit about the author. writing software is like taking a shit, worthless.
mircea_popescu: decimation not contributors. filter by the people who read and signed off on this code.
asciilifeform: heuristic: 1) piece of shit? 2) mysteriously ubiquitous? 3) quickly? 4) author is socially connected to other derpers pushing similar items that match 1-4 ?
mircea_popescu: <decimation> asciilifeform: the next step: somehow get a unix distribution that completely excludes contributions from the lustration list << i still think the correct solution is a github that does signed reads
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu> avahi, incidentally, was an atrocious piece of shit << But it copies the also compeltely unwanted Bonjour piece of shit so well
asciilifeform: another heuristic that invariably tells us where to dig.
asciilifeform: decimation: just as a cockroach in your kitchen means, inescapably, that not far from it there is a seething brown mass of his brothers.
mircea_popescu: decimation look, the plan to turn open source into windows lite is proceeding apace.
asciilifeform: decimation: this is how you find them.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> kept, possibly, in the deeds register << feel free.
mircea_popescu: <decimation> asciilifeform: yeah that appears to be the situation. I don't understand how a gui desktop 'requires' a particular init system <<< join the conga line heh.
decimation: probably not, but they aren't even trying anymore
mats_cd03: they're comfy man, i don't know what to say
decimation: http://meritbadge.org/wiki/index.php/Tracking "The Stalking merit badge was one of the original 57 merit badges issued by the Boy Scouts of America in 1911; it was discontinued in 1952."
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 help me out here. so you wore the same underwear for two weeks,
mats_cd03: its not really necessary. depends on the person
mircea_popescu: <bounce> I suspect an expert would gather a few good trackers and catch the guy in a week with ~30 people or so. << what trackers. this is 2014.
BingoBoingo: <kakobrekla> 'amazon for shenzhen' < isnt that aliexpress or smth << Basically the Alibabba thing gets its fame as where American small and medium businesses get their entire inventory
mats_cd03: my usual undergarments were soiled and crusty after 2 weeks in the field
decimation: I guess I haven't used either of those
mircea_popescu: the wipes i ee.
mircea_popescu: what the fuck, minor celebrity
mats_cd03: diapers + baby wipes are god's gift to men in the field
mircea_popescu: there's been teenage girl wailings pretty much non stop for an hour
asciilifeform: mats_cd03: what's the rationale for diapers ?
mircea_popescu: so there's this theatre right outside my windo, where a derpy guy does i dunno what dances.
asciilifeform: mats_cd03 << did you wear them ?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> why would you wear devices to make the piss cling to you ?! << This is why I suspect a bit of cargo cult happening
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: u.s. army issues diapers. ask them - not me
mircea_popescu: why would you wear devices to make the piss cling to you ?!
asciilifeform: decimation: i've never bought them anywhere else.