trinque: looks more like their backup service doesn't work and has been trying and failing to backup the box for about a day
trinque: this is a piece of shit vps on a service called vultr. the thing was being used as little more than a web-toilet which other services elsewhere use.
mircea_popescu: trinque keks "they don't know" eh ?
asciilifeform looks on dulap-III, 'up 210 days' -- i.e. ever since i taught BingoBoingo how to not elbow the mains plug
mircea_popescu: and in forgotten keks, https://yahoomessenger.tumblr.com/ ("Yahoo Messenger has had an amazing run. Over its twenty years, Yahoo Messenger introduced hundreds of millions of people to the joys of just the right emoticon for the moment (aka emojis)."). this is the ~sum total of what they think they "contributed", an altogether not incorrect assumption (though "early lulzy deployment of caesar ciphers is what stands in my memor
a111: Logged on 2018-06-13 21:43 mircea_popescu: a more even split makes the "solar winds" 0-delta.
a111: Logged on 2014-01-24 13:03 mircea_popescu: like sailing, exactly. you can go just fine either with or against either wind or current
a111: Logged on 2018-11-19 23:39 asciilifeform: prolly the only biz that dun have this problem at all, is s.mg, which of oct '18 broadcast reports '8`484.51538878', i.e. capitalized until the sun burns out
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-19#1873712 << but neveryoumind that. the drop in bitcoin is where pizarro shines, right ? because in between http://btcbase.org/log/2014-01-24#457609 slash http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-13#1825184 on one hand and wisely deploying http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-04#1445680 and so on has resulted in significant bitcoin appreciation of pizarro stock, right ?
trinque: I can. The box is also in singapore, not known for its perfect internet connections
mircea_popescu: anyway, can you check against local db whether it got shenaniganed ?
a111: Logged on 2018-11-18 21:59 trinque: taking it the other way, now there's this process where trinque swears to whoever's ledger that asks (fee or not, doesn't matter here). this comes to signify something, trustworthiness, w/e., can go to wells fargo now and bring in this credit report to get a mortgage. now folks come churn deedbot to produce this empty signifier. later trinque is asked to you know, DETECT FRAUD, maybe with machine learning
BingoBoingo: Further downthread http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ElDFJ/?raw=true "Caballos muertos jajajaa la mierdaaa"
mircea_popescu: the way british empire intervention worked was that http://trilema.com/2010/general-sir-charles-james-napier-gcb/ got sent with some army and clear orders to not take singh ; then he takes singh ; then some "british merchants" are invented whose "interests were being protected", retroactively. then all this is published back home in the times, and then the empire croaks under the weight of trying to administer afghanistan.
asciilifeform: i dun know the specifics; supposing simply that retired boxer aint gonna run a node. therefore goxism.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in the sense of what, after usg took overt the piggy it declared some clients as principal victims ?
mircea_popescu: i'm personally waiting for the return of the meni rosenfeld / jonathan ryan owens lulzpair. bitdaytrade, segwit, cash-whatever... what the fuck's the difference.
asciilifeform: iirc those boxers were some hybrid of scammer and scammee , they sank whatever $maxint into goxolade
mircea_popescu: then again, the menagerie's pretty well stocked... recall the gay for pay tard with delusions of oligarchy ? or those two wrestler morons, 100% retired boxer encephalopathy ?
mircea_popescu: i have nfi, it's pretty fucking lulzy though. i mean, there's a long list of these defeateds by "fate", but he's one of the most hysterically humiliated humbugs.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-20 02:12 mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/2018/11/forkcoin-that-split-from-bitcoin-now-struck-by-contentious-hardfork/#comment-120500 << srsly the usg tards are pushing that wright imbecile as their spearhead ? what, nobody thinking left in the "think" fishtanks ?!
asciilifeform: ( apparently game did not die under the thrust of alphagoism, but mutated into a kind of motor sport )
asciilifeform: laugh, i ended up giving it to my brother, now it runs neuralnetwork thing for go game move-tree variants, 'what if played x' etc
asciilifeform went as far as building a new box, with 3d card etc, to 'i'ma finally play that thing', then... realized he gotta write a numeric lib
asciilifeform dun presently have time, sadly , to play mud, but if lives to see peacetime would much rather play mircea_popescu's than anybody's
a111: Logged on 2018-11-19 23:43 asciilifeform: maybe in the end entire planet will end up as vertically-integrated suppliers for s.mg...
mircea_popescu: certainly well adapted to each opther, problem and solution. v is masterful at truth and accounting is all about numeric truth. so yes, in principle. but it'll take some doing, dunno if you've got the doers rightnao, and seems more pressing fires.
mircea_popescu: or i suppose construction crew better example. if you issue them pickaxes, you can at the end of the day look at damage "as men with pickaxes could have produced". if you issue backhoe...
asciilifeform: i suspect that mircea_popescu is right, esp re 'dun have domain-restricted walker', tech aint there yet
a111: Logged on 2018-11-11 16:10 ben_vulpes: and i never used a program because, (again cannot find the log link in reasonable-response time) at one point i was working on a schema for tracking customers and what they were paying for and mircea_popescu said something along the lines of "wtf this is a simple text file and accounting problem"
mircea_popescu: kinda the logic informing my http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-11#1871164 : if you give policeman gun, you now have set of problems resulting from policeman-gun interaction. if you do not give, you do not have.
mircea_popescu: seems to me way too much infrastructure for what's still less than a dozen accts with less than a dozen movements / interval in there. but hey, your corp, can't exactly say you don't learn from mistakes, so, if in a position to try things out this is a thing to try like many others.
asciilifeform: while we're on subj, mircea_popescu do you think it'd make sense to keep books vtronically? or would it be a case of 'take the rifle to fishing'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nuffin was changed 'inside' on my watch, but seems like there were arithmetical howler at some pt, so i suppose effectively same
mircea_popescu: at least most of the time.
mircea_popescu: tarball passed back and forth, nobody even knows what changed, gotta diff, it has all the blessings you describe.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-12 06:36 BingoBoingo: Kinda why I'm excited about breaking down and killing the legacy notes file
asciilifeform: ( btw these are imho a luxury. i simply hate having to click 9000 links to get a tree , and assume other folx do also )
asciilifeform: i did sign a tarball fulla regrindolade last wk. but largely so folx know they get what i put in, rather than ball fulla patches + usg gnutar 0day impregnated in flight etc
a111: Logged on 2018-11-19 22:41 asciilifeform: arguably v is a labour-saving device ~specifically for readers~, rather than writers, of programs -- if we were passing signed tarballs around, as we did prior to v, reader would be stuck determining exactly what changed, after manually verifying sig.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-19 22:24 asciilifeform: ( and if you extend on one such, and want to propagate into the others, then must regrind -- but strictly the piece in question )
a111: Logged on 2018-11-19 20:46 bvt: otoh, if system call asm packages are at the tree foundation, the api uniformity will be enforced by convetion only, and the branches will diverge right after genesis.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-19#1873632 << i confess i entirely dun understand what you think a vtree is/does. none of your statements seem to be either relevant or correct, which...
a111: Logged on 2018-11-19 18:49 lobbes enjoyed >> http://thetarpit.org/posts/y04/073-prikoke.html
mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/2018/11/forkcoin-that-split-from-bitcoin-now-struck-by-contentious-hardfork/#comment-120500 << srsly the usg tards are pushing that wright imbecile as their spearhead ? what, nobody thinking left in the "think" fishtanks ?!
asciilifeform: maybe in the end entire planet will end up as vertically-integrated suppliers for s.mg...
asciilifeform: even if exch rate moves 2 orders of magnitude erry other tuesday
asciilifeform: prolly the only biz that dun have this problem at all, is s.mg, which of oct '18 broadcast reports '8`484.51538878', i.e. capitalized until the sun burns out
asciilifeform: 'volatility is a tax' or how did mircea_popescu phrase it in the old days.
asciilifeform: trinque: i admit that i sometimes miss the days when the amt of shit i gave re what the heathen exch rate is, was the size of a hamster's . pizarro is the 1 bone in throat on that score, it runs on heathenbux and consequently sensitive to the weather, like a bad knee
bvt: i do understand the philosophy behind v (definitely not complaining), but i lack practical experience working with it, so it was useful to get explanations re tree structure.
asciilifeform: and reader would be stuck manually diffing'em, which defeats most of the win from using v vs signed tars etc
asciilifeform: if i had offered them in beginning, the architecture-specific pressable leaves will be gargantuan in size
asciilifeform: this is the reason why asciilifeform is saving the optional asm subroutines in ffa for ~dead last~ ( per http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2735 proclamation ) rather than given in beginning of series
asciilifeform: it forced you to proclaim that the 6 are in fact new programs, because you turned a common knob and potentially changed their meanings, of all 6
asciilifeform: and yes it is true that if you write 6 platform variants today, and want to change the common trunk tomorrow, you will need to regrind all 6. but this is 'not a bug, but a feature'
a111: Logged on 2018-11-19 23:03 asciilifeform: bvt: if you understand why bitcoin does not tolerate 'yes i'm on the same chain as you! except that i flipped a single bit in block 100, and really, honestly, nuffin ever depended on the tx where i flipped it!' -- you will also understand why v does not tolerate this either
bvt: but i see how this is the correct process, and just a bit more optimized case of what i planned with branches diverging at the genesis (saves reader some labour of reading same vpatches in each branch). and if tree becomes to messy, can regrind.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-19 22:42 diana_coman: bvt> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-19#1873650 << well, if i do common part (api) first, then diverging system-specific branches, i still could add new functionality on top of *each* of these branches. i don't like this option. -> perhaps unsurprisingly, the part that one doesn't like is however actually correct i.e. yes, you'll have to maintain the two separately if they are separate; hence my original "they are 2 trees" - because that's
bvt: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-19#1873678 << what i did not like was following: specifically going for 'api at the tree root' variant, and then bolting on new (platform-independent) apis later.
asciilifeform: the fact that it feels to noobs like 'unnatural acrobatics' is an artifact of writer suddenly having to pay that actual cost of the complexity inflicted on reader. and yes folx whined, just like in ex-ussr folx whined when they started having to pay for mains current .
asciilifeform: bvt: if you understand why bitcoin does not tolerate 'yes i'm on the same chain as you! except that i flipped a single bit in block 100, and really, honestly, nuffin ever depended on the tx where i flipped it!' -- you will also understand why v does not tolerate this either
asciilifeform: v is just about exactly same thing as bitcoin's chain, with the difference that it seals with manually-crafted operator signatures, rather than 'proof of work' gymnastics
asciilifeform: bvt: it's in fact exactly the same thing that e.g. bitcoin does -- you cannot go back and flip a bit in block 100, and expect to be on the same chain as other folx, it'll correctly invalidate 101--present from your node's pov ( and your entire existence from other's pov )
asciilifeform: to put it in mircea_popescuine terminology -- the scenario that v makes specifically and rightfully impossible is 'hey, i changed 'wife' to 'dog' in your marriage contract, but yer still just as married, you signed all the downstreams'
asciilifeform: if it is an item which conceivably affects the meaning of other text in unpredictable ways, then the patch must reflect this ( and we get 'reground' code. )
diana_coman: bvt> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-19#1873650 << well, if i do common part (api) first, then diverging system-specific branches, i still could add new functionality on top of *each* of these branches. i don't like this option. -> perhaps unsurprisingly, the part that one doesn't like is however actually correct i.e. yes, you'll have to maintain the two separately if they are separate; hence my original "they are 2 trees" - because that's
asciilifeform: the 'one little thing' is only 'little' when ~nothing depends on it~ -- i.e. is an extension of a leaf node, graph-theoretically speaking
asciilifeform: v makes it possible to sign a compartmentalized change , so reader is not stuck having to manually diff contents of signed_foo.today.tar.gz against signed_foo.tomorrow.tar.gz to see where the changes were. but what it deliberately does ~not~ do is to enable the pretense ( carried on in git & other heathen abominations ) that a proggy where something semantically upstream of $place were changed, is ~same~ proggy ~but for $place~ .
asciilifeform: arguably v is a labour-saving device ~specifically for readers~, rather than writers, of programs -- if we were passing signed tarballs around, as we did prior to v, reader would be stuck determining exactly what changed, after manually verifying sig.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-19#1873666 << much of what seems to n00bs as 'unnatural acrobatics' in vtronics is in fact the actual and inevitable cost of writing proggies ~honestly~ -- i.e. without pretending, as the heathens do, that 'i only changed this one little thing, whatddayamean it's a new program now'
asciilifeform: ^ the heathen barbarism that goes counter to this formulation, that we're thankfully rid of
asciilifeform: ( and if you extend on one such, and want to propagate into the others, then must regrind -- but strictly the piece in question )
asciilifeform: bvt: when you absolutely must publish mutually-exclusive variants of a thing, they oughta be v leaves, yes
bvt: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-19#1873650 << well, if i do common part (api) first, then diverging system-specific branches, i still could add new functionality on top of *each* of these branches. i don't like this option.
asciilifeform: it is quite impossible to say entirely in advance what api for glue layer on buncha unix garbage, will be, until fully grasped at least the outer surface of said garbage
diana_coman: asciilifeform, read on, not as if recommended for the task, no
diana_coman: asciilifeform, in my understanding he wanted to cement "common api" hence possibly root since that's the only common part for the 2 trees, hence "regrind" if new (because not in root etc)
a111: Logged on 2018-11-19 20:52 bvt: i hope that for tmsr.os most of these things will become unnecessary; lower levels of libc/libada are not the right place to fix the underlying problem.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-19#1873641 << entirely agrees with my pov, which is why i had the .c in udp lib ( http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2557 ) instead of five kilometres of 'let's try to parse the c struct of 17 diff cpus in ada'
asciilifeform: i've added all kindsa 'new api' in ffa, but the only regrind was when we took up new hash type for vtrons
a111: Logged on 2018-11-19 20:45 bvt: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-19#1873573 << i will have to think more about vtree organization. if i use api as the foundation for the tree, adding new system calls would cause regrind; in this case, the api should be complete from day one.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-19 15:18 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-19#1873561 << here is where i admit that i dun see wtf is the point of an empty genesis
bvt: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-19#1873583 << this is unfortunate, i won't have possibility to work on this code in coming days; there will be a vtree stump for ~2 weeks.
bvt: i totally agree with all these points. tree diverging after empty genesis is separate enough in my view.
diana_coman: keeping the trees in sync is probably cheaper than regrinding the whole thing anyway; and if /when it's not, then...regrind it as a single tree and that's that
diana_coman: so if you are not sure, I'd even keep the trees separately, I still don't quite see the problem with this (the benefit being that it doesn't force you to decide NOW on something you don't yet ...know)
diana_coman: regrinds are not evil or anything of the sort but they do have a cost ; and if you get others to sign your patches, the cost increases since you lose the original signatures basically
diana_coman: bvt, precisely because it can't be fully clear in advance I'd suggest to choose the more flexible v-structure rather than something with set in stone requirements (such as API as root of the v tree sort of thing); this is NOT to say or guarantee you won't regrind but simply to not make ~surely needed
bvt: i hope that for tmsr.os most of these things will become unnecessary; lower levels of libc/libada are not the right place to fix the underlying problem.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-19 11:50 mircea_popescu: experience kinda seems to indicate trying to have the same model for two things is a recipe for tears in this "industry" of apes and aping, but then again... man gotta try.
bvt: yes, i can definitely see that. scope of the tree must be fixed at the moment of creation. which is not necessarily a bad thing.
diana_coman: the only case in which such a thing makes sense is if it's already a fixed /known /set in stone set
bvt: otoh, if system call asm packages are at the tree foundation, the api uniformity will be enforced by convetion only, and the branches will diverge right after genesis.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-19 11:46 diana_coman: bvt, that sounds like you want to start then the tree with ..the API? otherwise at any rate, the user CAN use the same API with whatever provides it, no?
bvt: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-19#1873573 << i will have to think more about vtree organization. if i use api as the foundation for the tree, adding new system calls would cause regrind; in this case, the api should be complete from day one.
a111: Logged on 2016-11-07 18:27 mircea_popescu: im sure nobody had the sense to create a "total payout to defecting miners" watch, because hey, they're "developers" not thinkers.
a111: Logged on 2016-11-07 18:26 mircea_popescu: well, it slowly builds, until the miners defect.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-24 14:23 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-24#1702759 << eventually this will necessarily happen, yes. "segwit" transactions are stored on the bitcoin network as "anyone can spend", so eventually miners will unroll the segwit chain. how soon is not easily predicted (which is why the idea is stupid/usg-like, introduces impredictability in the currency)
asciilifeform: anybody recall whether there's a handy gauge somewhere re just how fat is the sow presently ? ( it ain't particularly hard to calculate , simply add up the coinz presently sitting in 'anyone-spends' )
asciilifeform: tho i think mircea_popescu had one, iirc it was 'they're letting the sow fatten for table', approx
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: ftr i still dun have anything like a working hypothesis re why the miners let segshitness live for as long as it has
BingoBoingo: In other news, Qntra comments hooked a wild derp http://qntra.net/2018/11/forkcoin-that-split-from-bitcoin-now-struck-by-contentious-hardfork/#comment-120500
mod6: Ah, ok BingoBoingo. Then that'd be it, since the 0.1 BTC back and forth took place in mid-August.
BingoBoingo: mod6: I started my ledger in the Pizarro notes on September 1st.
asciilifeform: mod6: errything well, ( tho asciilifeform as always during weekdays is knee deep in heathen rubbish )
a111: Logged on 2018-11-18 20:52 diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-18#1873291 - noted and added to the list though it might still take some time to get up to speed with ffa again
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-18#1873480 << this is entirely ok, diana_coman , there is not a burning hurry ( tho i expect that anybody who intends on firing ffa on battlefield will first take the time to properly eat it )
mod6: I won't speak for BingoBoingo as to why his ledger copy does not show the 0.1 BTC sent from me to him, and then back from him to me. I'll let him speak to that.
mod6: ben_vulpes: In case you are curious, here is the full notes file from the end of august, just for posterity: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/5ZN91/?raw=true
a111: Logged on 2018-11-19 05:30 ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: why does mod6's ledger show a transaction for 0.1 btc to you on august 12th and then back from you on august 17th? it doesn't affect the accounting, but i am perplexed as you both stated that your ledgers in these shared notes contained all of your pizarro transactions with noted exceptions that do not include that transaction.
mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-19#1873556 << As for this, BingoBoingo began doing a cut-down of the notes file, so more recent editions have not had older-months notes contained. I have went back and found the notes around the 0.1 BTC sent between us from august. Here is that specific snippit: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/CEgRj/?raw=true
a111: Logged on 2018-11-19 05:06 ben_vulpes: mod6: why does the net change in pizarro's cash account for august not equal the difference between the sum of incoming and outgoing cash transactions?
a111: Logged on 2018-11-19 06:31 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform, mod6, BingoBoingo: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/tHcxD/?raw=true (these missives have not been encrypted, only signed. if any would like to read, please do.)
mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-19#1873558 << Thanks for the audit report ben_vulpes. Looks like you figured out this (http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-19#1873555) from your report notes.
asciilifeform: ( e.g. ffa genesis, is very small, but contained all of the basic fundamental moving parts for simple arithm )
asciilifeform: genesis, in my conception, oughta at the very least set the flavour of a tree, with ~some~ semblance of a working item
a111: Logged on 2018-11-19 07:54 bvt: mircea_popescu: i understand that empty genesis (well, it's not precisely empty, there is a manifest file) is suboptimal, however:
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-19#1873561 << here is where i admit that i dun see wtf is the point of an empty genesis
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i assumed the worst, that asciilifeform would have to somehow fit whole thing on his already packed conveyor.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-19 07:09 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i've sketched out a set of tables that could hold all pizarro data accounting data and generate statements; the only remaining puzzlers are modeling subscriptions, prepay, and asset depreciation. would you like me to complete the design, put sql to disk and turn this into an accounting spreadsheet for pizarro?
a111: Logged on 2018-11-19 06:31 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform, mod6, BingoBoingo: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/tHcxD/?raw=true (these missives have not been encrypted, only signed. if any would like to read, please do.)
mircea_popescu: experience kinda seems to indicate trying to have the same model for two things is a recipe for tears in this "industry" of apes and aping, but then again... man gotta try.
diana_coman: bvt, that sounds like you want to start then the tree with ..the API? otherwise at any rate, the user CAN use the same API with whatever provides it, no?
bvt: i want the platform-specific branches to be glued together because API for users should be the same in all of them. so that user can press a branch for aarch64 or x86 without changing anything in his code.
a111: Logged on 2018-06-25 16:40 mircea_popescu: spyked> I think there's great benefit in the ffa chapter-based approach << that ~started with a genesis~.
bvt: ok, so the discussion seems to be here: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-25#1829429 , and unlike me, spyked did publish the code.
diana_coman: bvt, while I don't see a big problem per se with an empty genesis, the question for your specific situation is why glue together 2 trees if they diverge right from the start anyway?
diana_coman: phf, also, perhaps snarf the V.pl tree from in http://ossasepia.com/2018/11/13/v-with-vtools-keccak-hashes-and-its-own-tree/ ?
diana_coman: phf, I wanted to sign your vtools patches but I realised that they are using sha so I don't really know: do you plan to regrind them with keccak?
mircea_popescu: i mean, it certainly has the virtue of signalling, "Hey guise, i intend to do this" sorta thing
mircea_popescu: bvt i dunno that it's a huge deal, but maybe dig up the log reference ?
bvt: 2. i seem to remember but can't find right now a discussion (around time spyked published adalisp) that making such a genesis should be ok. perhaps i am confused about the context of that discussion and did something stupid.
bvt: 1. x86 and arm trees will diverge pretty much from the start, i can't see how anything useful and complete can be packed into genesis.
bvt: mircea_popescu: i understand that empty genesis (well, it's not precisely empty, there is a manifest file) is suboptimal, however:
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i've sketched out a set of tables that could hold all pizarro data accounting data and generate statements; the only remaining puzzlers are modeling subscriptions, prepay, and asset depreciation. would you like me to complete the design, put sql to disk and turn this into an accounting spreadsheet for pizarro?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i believe this report settles the reported discrepancies. i will have to respond to queries asynchronously, as i'm traveling for the next week.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform, mod6, BingoBoingo: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/tHcxD/?raw=true (these missives have not been encrypted, only signed. if any would like to read, please do.)
ben_vulpes: amend that question to include the detail that *your* submitted ledger does not contain either of those transactions.
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: why does mod6's ledger show a transaction for 0.1 btc to you on august 12th and then back from you on august 17th? it doesn't affect the accounting, but i am perplexed as you both stated that your ledgers in these shared notes contained all of your pizarro transactions with noted exceptions that do not include that transaction.
ben_vulpes: mod6: why does the net change in pizarro's cash account for august not equal the difference between the sum of incoming and outgoing cash transactions?
mircea_popescu: bvt but i mean... what's the logic of an "empty genesis" ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo not bad, though i prefer the fully formatted style, with dates etc, like in http://trilema.com/category/bitcoin/ or http://trilema.com/2017/06/ etc.
BingoBoingo: What else can you expect from the prototypical Pantsuit slave society
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/11/brexit-set-to-break-britains-government-and-theresa-may/ << Qntra - Brexit Set To Break Britain's Government And Theresa May
mod6: I do appreciate the wake up call, and I take your words to hard. I'll do better to take a long rest/break and stop spinning my damn brain so hard.
mod6: king the explicit time to get my head screwed back on straight.
mod6: You know, I just went for a quick walk, and the cold air did me some good. I think maybe part of my problem is that the stress from being in the soup for the better part of a year has been a bit rough on me mentally. Been saying idiotic things without thinking, pasting shit without thinking, etc. I dunno feels like a bit of sand-falling through my hands - trying to get back into the good graces without ta
trinque: if you don't see how this leads straight to the contemporary hell, you do need to take that vacation.
trinque: taking it the other way, now there's this process where trinque swears to whoever's ledger that asks (fee or not, doesn't matter here). this comes to signify something, trustworthiness, w/e., can go to wells fargo now and bring in this credit report to get a mortgage. now folks come churn deedbot to produce this empty signifier. later trinque is asked to you know, DETECT FRAUD, maybe with machine learning
mod6: Thanks for the wake-up call.
mod6: Basically, if someone says, "mod6 is liar!", and I publish my deedbot ledger, well, then it stands alone. To be evaluated at face value.
mod6: I have no real argument with your wanting to stay out of any type of arguments, or discuss anyones deedbot tx's. Which, is the rightful thing to do.
mod6: And to the 0% part, I just responded "Cool." because you reminded me of what was right and proper.
mod6: Maybe being around here so long has blurred the lines for me, I consider you guys my friends.
trinque: you responded to 0% of the substance of what I said, and came back with "sorry you don't like me". come on, give it some effort!
mod6: I didn't mean any offense by the thread, I hope you and trinque will forgive.
mircea_popescu: no, i know, that's the problem. you thought you were being logical, and the logical thread you were following went along the lines of...
mod6: I didn't think that was the case! I thought I was being quite logical, tbh.
mircea_popescu: which then leads to the suspicion that 4) regular dosing with idiocy through direct exposure in his daily life is poisoning mod6.
mircea_popescu: mod6 that's fine and dandy, but look how the logic works : 1) the republic exists principally as a succession of schelling points, meaning that "given a situation of structure X, republican will land on selection y" ; 2) the impression is hard to shake that with ~extreme regularity~ your landing diverges from that y, and in specific ways. which leads to 3) somehow mod6 ended up mentally at odds with the fundamentals of tmsr,
trinque: if someone shows me the thing didn't work, I go fix a bug, but dispute resolution between users happens in *your* courts, not mine. if I later condescend to involve myself in the affairs of lowlier folks than anyone present, it'll come yes with a hefty fee, or hanging both, or whatever most dissuades the behavior.
mod6: I actually figured, that in the case where or if someone's deedbot history was ever called into question, someone would verify the claim.
mircea_popescu: kinda the point, yeh.
mod6: Other than just by what people say.
mod6: I dunno, bad idea I guess. Just realized that there really is no way to verify someones ledger.
mod6: (18:25) <ben_vulpes> .2 is sitting in bingoboingo's posession, and .3 was sent to mats in july, so reduce the cash balance by .5 and that's what i'll deliver you
mod6: (18:24) <ben_vulpes> once i get your signoff on that report, i'll send the balance of the cash to your deedbot account
mod6: I do have logs of that, would you like me to paste them here?
ben_vulpes: mod6: sorry for the obtuse ask last night. it's not strictly necessary, but i would like you to corroborate that i wrote those two lines to you in a private message on that date. if you grep for "once i get your signoff", you'll find what i'm talking about.
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-18#1873457 << that's the transfer from a trb wallet to my deedbot account, notice that 'tx_to' is 'ben_vulpes'
trinque: certainly not whatever. I'm not becoming a source of information about people's bot use. the panopticon habits are not made clean when somebody calling himself a lord picks them up.
mod6: True, at the end of the day, someone has to take my word for it though when it comes to me signing my ledger.
trinque: and it's better than the imperial "some faceless dork with a hat vouches for everyone"
trinque: mod6: you don't want me derping about like I'm republican transunion. there isn't such a thing.
diana_coman: jurov, BingoBoingo confirmed, I can see them; thanks!
jurov: BingoBoingo: diana_coman: the shares were pushed
a111: Logged on 2018-11-18 16:57 asciilifeform: unrelatedly, ave1 , diana_coman , mircea_popescu , phf , other folx with a gnat and 10min of free time -- asciilifeform would like to see outputs of http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ffa/thousand_muls.txt ( ch12 benchmark ) on various irons
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-18#1873291 - noted and added to the list though it might still take some time to get up to speed with ffa again
mod6: Anyway, if it's helpful, I'm happy to sign my deedbot wallet ledger and publish it for those to review. Just say the word and will do.
mod6: I can confirm that approximately ".2" was said to be held in BingoBoingo's custody outside of the deedbot wallet. And I can confirm that I have notes that state that you paid mats .3, and to reduce the amount by .5 total.
mod6: (this all from what I consider to be the 'source-of-truth'; my deedbot wallet ledger)
mod6: This is how much I received, and on the 15th
mod6: Before that tx, where you send me the remaining pizarro funds, my balance was "0.08479669 BTC".
trinque: just wrote a tool to minimize the human component of doing that, though.
trinque: for those waiting on withdrawals, I'll return and complete them once I stock back up on .....paper! brb
a111: Logged on 2018-11-18 07:12 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform, mod6, BingoBoingo: the mistake in july's statement is all mine: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/POt9B/?raw=true
asciilifeform: https://archive.is/YZOc4 << the 'colour of bits' thing, ftr, iirc orig thread was prior to archivebot
asciilifeform: the 'colour of bits' lulz will prolly never die.
mircea_popescu: but be that as it may. there's ~nothing of interest to you here, so you can just safely forget about it.
mircea_popescu: the chicks that commission actual installations for me, be it an acre of ground-to-ground missile tubes or a parking lot, are devops. not the chicks that copy recipe books.
mircea_popescu: and so it's "devops" because what exactly, you wrote them a ruby gem or w/e. ?
mircea_popescu: ie, a job that's strictly impossible in the general case, but then again dealing with the sort of morons who actually care about hbo, so not quite hard to do in particular.
mircea_popescu: mkay. and the idea was to put the ip or w/e of the "subscriber" into the downloads so that if they turn up on torrents hbo lawyers know what soccer mom to send abusive readers' digest spam to ?
asciilifeform: what exactly is to keep 3 users from taking their 3 'marked' copies and xor'ing together.
asciilifeform: echelon: copyrasts' 'technical investments' are possibly some of the dumbest schemes on this side of emperor qin shihuangdi's hg immortality pills
echelon: i dunno if they do anything different now
echelon: asciilifeform: it was watermarked in real-time on their "go" service
asciilifeform suspects that at this point the primo disease of intelligent folx is the bottle. but this, i suppose, also
a111: Logged on 2017-04-09 23:14 mircea_popescu: "who do you think will win, mr 13, the team with two guys and monkeys or the team with three guys and monkeys ?"
mircea_popescu: consider alf, that you're not the only one to have noticed http://www.loper-os.org/?p=939 ; most intelligent people in fact did. you're just among the few to have managed to break through the usual disease of intelligent people, aka http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-09#1641209
mircea_popescu: which is i guess an ok strategy, both for the http://trilema.com/2012/law-enforcement-never-fails-to-unintentionally-entertain/ fucktards as well as for the sirius/vandroyi/whatever-style "i am disgusted with you morons" autists.
asciilifeform: parsimonious hypothesis
echelon: mircea_popescu: it's like stegonagraphic watermarking, so even if you resize the video resolution, they could forensically identify the source of the piracy
mircea_popescu: what's this supposed to even be, in human language, "i wrote the bills of purchase for the project manager in charge of provisioning the one room in hbo tower where they take copied hard-drives to see whether there's hbo shows on them, aka devops eng" ?
echelon: ben_vulpes: yeah, on bezosnet, but using the api for automated provisioning with ansible and stuff
mircea_popescu: what the fuck is a forensic watermark anyway ? don't you have to have the watermarks ~before~ you can "forensic" ?
mircea_popescu: more's the thing : is this something you actually are, in the sense of having spent a decade+ doing it, or is it something you simply http://trilema.com/2013/search-and-destroy/#selection-65.1-65.96 wish-to-be ?
echelon: i worked for hbo, setup their forensic watermarking service
asciilifeform: echelon: at the risk of repeating mircea_popescu's q -- what precisely are you aiming to find here ?
mircea_popescu: "echelon hi, i need to read a structured spreadsheet type of file that's in binary, basically involves reading the record which is the header information as to how the records are structured, and then reading the records. how would i go about doing this?" and so on ad infinitum.
mircea_popescu: lol. srsly, other than hipstering about, do you actually do anything ?
trinque: echelon: got any other hobbies besides cp on govnet?
asciilifeform: potentially ( i.e. the even sadder, lamer knockoff tor )
mircea_popescu: afaik this not the same thing
echelon: mircea_popescu: i was the one that originally did the documentation for setting up hidden service fallback nodes, before the client had built-in support for it
mircea_popescu: not really so much wanting to "transform" anything other than the misfortunate situation where the system doesn't seem to recognize their mental picture of their own station. in the sense that why does it see them so low!!!
asciilifeform: exactly these
a111: Logged on 2017-12-22 17:18 weevlos: trinque: we are a media publication. our power and capital comes from the number of visitors we have to the site. we aim to transform through culture. if normal people cannot visit our site we are not accomplishing our goal
asciilifeform: ( who for some perverse reason insist on sticking to heathen voice band , exactly where usg wants'em )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aaah the 'pirate' folx
echelon: well, i dunno anything about the interchannel politics
mircea_popescu: nanotube is the dood that was going to fix gribble to work with deedbot, then didn't. used to have some clout, then a little clout, by today indistinguishable from w/e last months; crop of wanna-bes, fluffypony, josh garza, whatever.
mircea_popescu: !#s "theymos"
echelon: nanotube and theymos?
mircea_popescu: the reason you can't up yourself is that nobody here cares about the people who rated you there (indeed, some are known scammers, some are entirely unknown nobodies etc).
mircea_popescu: echelon deedbot imported gribbles ratings back in the day.