asciilifeform: ed to the Age of Reason and thence to the first and second industrial revolutions, such notions were discredited. Now it seems that the Wheel has turned full circle (even if there never really was a First Age) and we are back to worrying about true names again...'
asciilifeform: 'In the once upon a time days of the First Age of Magic, the prudent sorcerer regarded his own true name as his most valued possession but also the greatest threat to his continued good health, for -- the stories go -- once an enemy, even a weak unskilled enemy, learned the sorcerer's true name, then routine and widely known spells could destroy or enslave even the most powerful. As times passed, and we graduat
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so in the end, it turns out you did know it, just, didn't realise how stupid the average derp is ?
mircea_popescu: o look, ed went to shit meanwhile. anyway, they had a decent article on this power word : real name thing, a decade ago
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: nubbins` that's because you have canadiancare, which is really just nationalised obamacare. you're socialists over there, not like the true capitalists down south. that's why. << better this way. both losses and profits are socialized unlike tbtf american cos.
mircea_popescu: fucking natives, these people.
mircea_popescu: there you go. saying someone's name is a potentially dangerous, magical activity.
asciilifeform: ^ original turd on the subject
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asciilifeform: ;;google true names and other dangers
mircea_popescu: and since the result of libertard "education" is an unprecedented headcount of illiterate cattle all over the west...
mircea_popescu: there's this innate "fear", i suppose, among the primitive, illiterate hordes as to the magical power of names.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how do you 'dox' people unless there's dirt ? << there's a lot you don't know.
mats_cd03: the day is nigh.
asciilifeform: all of this works solely because scarcely anyone pulls the trick.
mats_cd03: doxing someone can be devastating if they have assets.
mats_cd03: and then force that individual to engage in legal proceedings or whathaveyou
asciilifeform: so i imagine there's an implication of incitement of lynch mob, not merely 'mr x lives on 123 fuckme street, ny.' etc ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: People like to imagine all pseudonyms are hard even though there's a difference on the scale of Dr. Seuss to Deep Throat
Vexual: oh you dont like it? me nmeither
asciilifeform: how do you 'dox' people unless there's dirt ?
assbot: weev: "Women in tech", doxing, Kathy Sierra, and the koolaid. #gamergate #adainitiative #histrionics
Vexual: and theres a direct flight to moscow if i want a oroper city
Vexual: yes, fuck islam, i'll go to heaven with all the sluts
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pete_dushenski: me neither, nor do i even know anyone who has.
thickasthieves: he'd be glad to explain them to you
Vexual: ive been there
Vexual: yeah they tend to sit if cafs and play monopoly
pete_dushenski: it's not like they're going to write you name in pen now
nubbins`: there's a lodge run by a french lady about 3 hours out of puerto maldonado
mats_cd03: want to join the global jihad?
pete_dushenski: so now i'm not so sure which gavin is the real gavin on contravex...
nubbins`: well they're gonna kill her dog, that's something
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Vexual: grave robbing, trading, all the fun stuff
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TomServo: ben_vulpes nubbins` just noticed you guys have notes waiting on other nicks
thickasthieves: the wall will be eaten
nubbins`: i'm here for the focused dialogue
thickasthieves: and we're all here for the stories
Vexual: whats with the __ ??
nubbins`: passing down the fundamentals so that others may rest easy that the math they use makes sense, if you will
nubbins`: what i studied was the branch known as "pure mathematics", which is a bit more on the esoteric side and a bit less on the practical
Vexual: its where math meets every other science
nubbins`: i thought it was the science of math
Vexual: its the biz
mircea_popescu: anyway, thinking about it, i suppose that's the one, true, original classifier. not money nor "knowledge" nor anything else, but simply the contest of what is and what is not obvious.
Vexual: aint that the truth
mircea_popescu: and if you don't, they dock ya.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> i think if that were a question on a junior college class - in humanities, mind you - you'd be lucky to get a kid in five spot it. << Ever the optimist
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform speaking of unless. on a scale of 1 to 10, just how transparent is the ef-deer = fdr reference ?
nubbins`: i'm still in the money like MAD
mircea_popescu: the dog's memory is good for minutes, and his representative bubble can't exceed that.
mircea_popescu: as far as everyone's concerned, google's a bucnh of geniuses. that they managed to fuck their market, well... that's just an accident.
mircea_popescu: because strategists are about five in the whole world all told and the other four are doing military stuff.
mircea_popescu: and obviously, nobody will be there to notice the fucking lesson, or put in plain words google's fundamental strategic failure
nubbins`: hm, i wonder do they still run an EFNet server
mircea_popescu: there's always an upstream.
mircea_popescu: and now it will be taken from them .as it fucking should.
mircea_popescu: THAT is why the telcos want a slice of the pie. because google and co managed to fuck the internet
Vexual: bc was about 60 bux then
nubbins`: turns out amazon is the air seller.
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asciilifeform: ;;google the air seller
asciilifeform: a. belayev's 'the air seller.'
mircea_popescu: people who came of age in the 90s imagine this is still that unlimited field of endlessness, and long tails and all that.
mircea_popescu: the whole thing is like 500 sites, not even 1k
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform quite. and speaking of which... anyone's given a look at the internet, recently ?
mircea_popescu: and just like that, we can't live in the same world, ever.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` lemme tell you something. i grew up in a world where owning the words was implicit. so i neatly expect any system ever devised to recognise my sovereign right to use any word i fucking choose. period.
nubbins`: anyway there was a few jackasses who wanted to buy coolio's back catalogue with btc
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nubbins`: the fact that this surprises people is fucked
nubbins`: how many times have people paid me to design something, and then ask if it's okay for them to use it for X in the future
Vexual: this cats got the patent too
mircea_popescu: the fucking point im making to him, already.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` you owning the rights, ocourse
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves that's not the problem. the problem is that you're insistent on discussing the topic on insanely unrelated priors.
thickasthieves: i'm not selling the farm to save music
thickasthieves: i was proposing the service to bitcoinize and decentralization control of purchased music
nubbins`: there's a reason leonard cohen's t-shirts cost more than his albums
nubbins`: protip: artists don't make money selling music, they make money doing everything else related to it but that
thickasthieves: i wasnt proposing solving the slavery issue of artists
nubbins`: people want to capitalize the M, make it Music (tm) instead of music
nubbins`: this harkens back to the discussion about art we had some time ago
nubbins`: not so. there's a very vibrant music scene here locally as well as nationally. i can listen to this country's best music without ever listening to anything that's signed to a major label
thickasthieves: nubbins` well we're left with apple and the streamers still
mircea_popescu: the network is a different story.
mircea_popescu: it's like imagining the talking heads are the owners of the network. no, they're just hired labour. like the janitors, exactly.
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves nah listen, these promotion things, are their own promotion thing. take inna, some romanian ex-highschool ho. got promoted for a summer.
nubbins`: thickasthieves:so as the market becomes ultimately centralized, it's demise into decentralized pieces is inevitable, no? << uh, this already happened?
mats_cd03: i thought the whole thing about kanye and the handicapped folks at his concert was hilarious
thickasthieves: rather $500m, after hyperinflation
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mircea_popescu: it's a social behaviour, music. technology gets removed out of the equation all the damned time.
thickasthieves: but technology doesnt just remove itself from the equation
mircea_popescu: it'll re-hash starting from its roots as entertainment, you'll go back to the performer, back to the instrument,
thickasthieves: so no one will by singles nor streaming rights to them ever again?
mircea_popescu: but it will die at the hands of kids who won't pay for music and the people serving them, who will do essentially stuff like sexy saffron
mircea_popescu: yes, apple will go bankrupt. yes, the music distribution model of dino de laurentiis will die.
thickasthieves: so as the market becomes ultimately centralized, it's demise into decentralized pieces is inevitable, no?
mircea_popescu: and the non-apples aren't players now nor will they be players ever, that "market" lived its time and is now in the final phase.
thickasthieves: so youre just commenting on that the pie isnt something you can even take a slice of
mircea_popescu: like, say, couple next door does A LOT OF FUCKING. so i go over, let's see. well, they're shy now.
thickasthieves: but i dont believe they are tripled or such
thickasthieves: i understand the numbers fluffed
mircea_popescu: look at what the "computer security" market is at, sometime.
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves you're confusing this situation where large companies play their own game with this situation where "someone's buying".
mircea_popescu: nubbins` that's because you have canadiancare, which is really just nationalised obamacare. you're socialists over there, not like the true capitalists down south. that's why.
nubbins`: did you know i can jam a dirty needle into the crook of my elbow, rub hobo cum in it, wrap it in plastic for a month, and the hospital will fix it FOR FREE?
nubbins`: oh, wait, USA, right. the health thing.
nubbins`: mats_cd03: you know that minimum-wage earners spend most of their raises, right?
mircea_popescu: people still do it for the concerts, because you can generally pick a chick in the crowd to fuck.
mircea_popescu: nobody's sold anything since 1999. ticket sales work exactly like political campaign contributions, the ticket agencies get most of the dough.
thickasthieves: but they get part ownership
mircea_popescu: that's the crux. nothing is getting solved around that.
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves you're missing the part about how someone, somewhere, sometime HAS TO PAY SOMETHING
thickasthieves: each song is purchased and each customer becomes a X% owner of the current remaining % unpurchased
mircea_popescu: nubbins` you laugh, sir, but once they find a way to allow personality implants, most housewives will be running stoya 1.0
thickasthieves: just really appreciate how he works in them
mircea_popescu: course the videos with applegate and tyler's young hottie are not bad, but they're not really good, either.
mircea_popescu: nah, the band formed in the early 70s, did it';s stuff by the end of the decade. then fairbairn pumped some life into it enough to get permanent vacation out and that's about it.
nubbins`: how about the "don
mircea_popescu: i don't think they ever did something i didn;t like. but then mtv came out and i stopped following.
nubbins`: heh. i had a brief fling around the time "get a grip" came out
mircea_popescu: heck, he forgot too, leading to some animosity down the road. but anyway
mircea_popescu: kinda underrated because people are idiots and since tyler was such a magnetic frontman they forgot perry's even there
nubbins`: mircea_popescu FWIW he fucking slayed the song
mircea_popescu: anyway, perry is imo the best guitar player of all time.
nubbins`: anyway, imagine that asshole and dave navarro on a stage together
mircea_popescu: tyler just does with the mouth
nubbins`: but the old bastard broke his brittle elbow
nubbins`: i saw jane's addiction a few years ago. they were supposed to have steven tyler come out to play guitar for "jane says"
mircea_popescu: anyway. yeah, they did ok, 1 lb of cocaine a month for 40 years
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mircea_popescu: there isn't even a process to turn mooing into blueprints.
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves: so basically concert organizers change to appease crowd, no one comes. wisdom of the crowd! << quite. the worst thing you can do is listen to the idiots. just because they do with the mouth doesn't mean they actually want any of it implemented. what's next, cow barns made according to cow moos ?
mircea_popescu: course you were hacked, you're the fucking government, everyone's principal enemy.
mircea_popescu: im sure the argument will be brought on any future "onoes we were hacked" trials.
nubbins`: welcome to the asymmetric future
nubbins`: "given that the american senator had pornography on his computer, the glorious kingdom of saudi arabia hacked into his computers without compunction, as any such 'hack' would simply have constituted a search of foreign property known to contain criminal evidence, for which a warrant was not necessary"
mircea_popescu: they were had!
nubbins`: what the fuckin fuck?
nubbins`: "Given that the SR Server was hosting a blatantly criminal website, it would have been reasonable for the FBI to 'hack' into it in order to search it, as any such 'hack' would simply have constituted a search of foreign property known to contain criminal evidence, for which a warrant was not necessary."
mircea_popescu: the ripped open heavens i'd fuck
nubbins`: iirc the guy was baptized
thickasthieves: viking guy says, re jesus "if i was to meet the guy, i'd actually fuck him."
Vexual: i havent read the book
mircea_popescu: they got on the server and did if (database === php), got True and are all in the right.
mircea_popescu: can you use phpmyadmin to administer anything other than mysql incidentally ?
Vexual: its all about the greek
Vexual: yoghurt is the lesser level to mayo
mircea_popescu: o heya cazalla. how was the lass ?
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Vexual: no just generally, people leave kangaroo off the menu
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nubbins`: feels unusually stiff inside the package
Vexual: what is this the fucking roadkill cafe?
Vexual: mice the whole thing? fur and all?
kakobrekla: but yes, they have been and are still (traditionally) eaten
nubbins`: "this, sadly, is another thing you can do with those tomatoes :("
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nubbins`: 9h after that, eating lasagna: "this is another thing"
mircea_popescu: ok ok, horse works. cow -> moose is about the same amplitude as chicken -> horse
nubbins`: anyway this all started with "i wonder what i can do with these roma tomatoes"
thickasthieves: they have ice too
mircea_popescu: he lives basically in this model railroad world. all they got there is rabbits, quail and the occasional deer. tinycountry.
nubbins`: heh thickasthieves knows how they're shaped
kakobrekla: did ya kill the cow?
mircea_popescu: well the meat was ostensibly made from cow.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` just ftr, i make all the girls learn to make mayo from scratch. which means, from eggs.
Vexual: its where the very term chicken shit came from
thickasthieves: The Whom, lol!
nubbins`: new roomie gets a job there 2 days after he moves in
nubbins`: so there's this restaurant here, RAYMONDS, and it's been voted the top restaurant in canada a number of times by a number of different publications who feel it's in their power to dish out such an award
mircea_popescu: nubbins` 20gb dood. more than all the text everyone who ever wrote the constitution ever read.
nubbins`: but wouldn't all the egg just preserve everything nicely?
nubbins`: mircea_popescu i guess everyone figured you had the answers
mircea_popescu: ahhh this is lulzy. trilema traffic on bitcoin bottom day, = the entire month of august.
Vexual: yeah its the future and shit
nubbins`: wish there was more video ;/
nubbins`: Vexual in the meantime, sick article about silkscreening touchscreens
mircea_popescu: just as long as he doesn't care about the blood...
nubbins`: i suspect these guys are just hanson with some hair dye
mircea_popescu: moar like the why, amirite.
nubbins`: i had an idea that we'd have a newfoundland-based Who cover band called The Wha?
nubbins`: (they cover rhcp AND zeppelin, natch)
nubbins`: heh thickasthieves that's the idea
thickasthieves: they dont get famous bands so much as very popular cover bands
nubbins`: maybe next year they'll get william hung
nubbins`: anyway, attendance this year was about 1/3 of last year, when they ran out of water.
nubbins`: generally they get some washed-up act like kiss or the eagles or aerosmith, everybody's parents drive out to central to relive the days of their youth
Vexual: the lcal scan't say it
thickasthieves: wisdom of the crowd!
nubbins`: imagine, Maroon 5 was the headliner and nobody wanted to go
Vexual: fix the oil seals manyana
Vexual: get acii on the case put a belt drive blower on that shit
mthreat: yeah, and the later models are supercharged
dub: exige still have the 2zz-ge?
Vexual: thats the ladies coupe
mthreat: the 350z?
Vexual: whats it called the nissan?
Vexual: ill take the mr2
Vexual: well then
Vexual: get the saloon
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbHLj7xt5Rw afroman circa 200 (lyric:sell your crack on the internet but not yet)
bounce: after a receiont last night ... after a reception last night. so there was like a reception last night? did I get that right?
Vexual: spyder for the mrs
Vexual: or are they called hoverquads?
Vexual: i hope they put kawasakis in hoverbikes
Vexual: but a zzr 250 will take anything across the likes at 13k revs
Vexual: yeah, i wouldn't wanna ride one all the way to sydney
Vexual: theres not much in it