mircea_popescu: the construction "isn't limited to simply Bitcoin, but also Litecoin, Ripple and Dogecoin" is broken in that it expands to "isn't limited to X, it's limited to X Y Z and K"
thestringpuller: the consumer
asciilifeform: the one that picks up 'radio havana' to generate keys, yes
thestringpuller: yea so when one of these things gets hacked is it an immediate game over?
cazalla: thestringpuller, 924 views for 11 articles, my only concern with this plug in is it might be tracking BingoBoingo and my own use of the site
asciilifeform: at least, nothing on the vendor site seems to claim it outright
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: what happens when one of these "secure" wallets gets exploited?
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cazalla: thestringpuller, i said writer, not editor :P
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cazalla: ;;later tell devthedev i changed a few things so that article is not overly promotional for altcoins or snapcard/wix
asciilifeform: 1 of the 3 other monkeys, perhaps, knows russian (which imho is an absolute hard requirement for this particular stunt)
asciilifeform: there's perhaps 2, 3 other monkeys who can do it also. but they're likely also stuck working for living.
mircea_popescu: and laziness in monkeys is perhaps the most complex self-writing piece of software ever
mircea_popescu: the trouble is, monkeys be lazy.
mircea_popescu: there's probably thousands.
asciilifeform: i've concinced perhaps... 3, 4, 5 people who actually understood what the hell the entire picture is about.
asciilifeform: because it is quite impossible to carry out the proof while day job.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: the crux of the matter, though, is that the only possible proof is experimental. and so what i really should've worked on, instead of essays, would've been some scam like davis has
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: re, what they could get out of your posts. You've rather clearly articulated the problem with the current computing stack. I'm unaware of any other person documenting the incumbent's desire to cater to the stupid. As thinking men, they must find it irritating to interface with today's machines.
asciilifeform: http://www.terna.org/enewsletter/Apr-Jun%202010/VLSI.pdf << trinary vlsi cells, for the really serious nutters
asciilifeform: then he ends up like me, possibly
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: so he has to be either 1) genuine nutter 2) play the part until he goes to his grave
mircea_popescu: is the guy actually nuts or just being an internet person ?
hanbot: good timeperiod thestringpuller! :)
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: The list of targets, irc is Nick Szabo, Nicholas Taleb.
mircea_popescu: and you bitch about the pile of turd that's c++/python software built on top of a c os ?
asciilifeform: (crash on ios can, of course, result from conditions other than out-of-ram-kill)
mircea_popescu: if you search for a generic term in their package manager and keep scrolling... eventually iot crashes
mircea_popescu: decimation a well that's a diff story. but the problem are the generous options then.
mircea_popescu: the traditional route is to pursue "sexy" mergers and go bankrupt a decade later. this is better for everyone.
decimation: mircea_popescu: normally it wouldn't, unless it is supiciously coupled with said management excercising their generous options
The20YearIRCloud: "It puts less money in the hands of the people that know what they're doing - the menial laborers'
mircea_popescu: they're overcapitalized and downsizing. what's wrong with that ?
mircea_popescu: i don't get how cash distribution can be held against the management.
The20YearIRCloud: kind of throw the entire premise out when they start talking about wealth inequality
decimation: large holders of bezzlars have no idea how to profitably invest them, so they just publically embezzle them
decimation: pete's link about companies on the 'buyback treadmill' is hilarious
The20YearIRCloud: It's fantastic, i'm told it has one of the worst learning curves even surpassing star control. But once you understand it, it's immensely fun
decimation: The20YearIRCloud: it's safe to say that writing software that makes efficient use of 'modern' multicore chip designs is not a simple undertaking
decimation: mircea_popescu: good point. The ongoing drama with the fed & its german gold holdings is quite amusing
The20YearIRCloud: Isn't it the same way with large paralell programming (High multi-core stuff) as they've lagged behind on development so much that some consider it aobsolete?
The20YearIRCloud: Germany is trying to get their gold back as it was all held in Paris, london and NYC. Out of all the countries I think they have a pretty transparent gold program, and it's showing how dishonest the US is
decimation: The20YearIRCloud: they can be, but the problem is that they are 'difficult' to design because the soccer-ball-chasing-6-year-olds of academia & industry have declared the tech 'dead'
mircea_popescu: decimation well, no. reversedly. for instance, germany claims to hold some gold it doesn't, and doesn't claim to hold any bitcoin, tho i think they do hold some.
decimation: The20YearIRCloud: they are about as honest with gold as they are with their btc holdings
The20YearIRCloud: I didn't realize that it was possible to do that, are the speeds typically much higher than what their clocked counterparts are?
The20YearIRCloud: I'm debating whether I want to get more BTC, PMs, or guns, or if I should balance what I have now a different way
decimation: The20YearIRCloud: clockless - ie no clock - a cpu which executes instructions at whatever speed its logic circuits can cycle their state
The20YearIRCloud: You think govts are honest about their gold and metal reserves? decimation
decimation: The20YearIRCloud: my opinion - silver is an industrial metal, gold is going to be replaced by bitcoin in the long run but is still a reasonable altcoin - but note that it is not independent of gov'ts with big vaults of the stuff
mircea_popescu: the whole thing looks like open transactions.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 1 or so min. mark - the infamous 'talk to god' proggy.
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mircea_popescu: !up devthedev
asciilifeform: because the subject 'is dead dontchaknow, study something modern like blubbazilla'
mircea_popescu: but since losethos has been mentioned : i do suspect ninjashogun is of a similar brand, without of course the technical ability.
asciilifeform: i've been working on 'genuinely' reconfigurable cpu for some years now. but, understand, most of the reading i do - is material as old as i am.
asciilifeform: the kind of machine that absolutely requires an fpga - simply has not been designed yet.
asciilifeform: because it doesn't really matter what they cost
asciilifeform: it has very little role to play in the kind of items chicoms make
decimation: it's not like there's a mystery about how to design an fpga
decimation: yeah, some of them are useful
asciilifeform: decimation: there is no shortage whatsoever of open 'verilog' code for 10000+ things
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> you'd have to buy 'xilinx' or 'altera' - the company - to go with the chip. and publicly gut it. << it will happen.
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asciilifeform: http://www.fpgarelated.com/comp.arch.fpga/thread/62565/debit-xilinx-bitstream-decompiler-project-has-been-vanished-or-does-someone-know-the-url.php << censored now and again
asciilifeform: e.g., you can lay out the equivalent of a '486' and get around that performance, but only if you have some idea of the actual physical topology of the circuit.
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: do you have a link handy for the fellow who got pretty far?
asciilifeform: thing you must appreciate, if never having worked with fpga, is that they just barely work.
asciilifeform: as in, by the time you're done, the chip is no longer commercially available in quantity.
asciilifeform: you'd have to buy 'xilinx' or 'altera' - the company - to go with the chip. and publicly gut it.
asciilifeform: because fpga in the schoolbook sense is not actually available.
decimation: depressingly, this results in large-scale projects being soft-cpu sequential turds, rather than asynchronous combinatorial nets where possible
asciilifeform: so everybody ends up using the vendor's.
asciilifeform: unless you can somehow learn where the chip's fabric puts various i/o in relation to other circuitry
decimation: the problem is that one must compile a secret 'talmud' of RTL that can be written which will actually work, as opposed to being valid
asciilifeform: basically, fpga works, but all existing high-density examples are sold by scammers of a kind - who absolutely could not abide the buyer using these items as the schoolbook promised - 'reconfigurable computer'
asciilifeform: e.g., ethernet card
asciilifeform: decimation: both 'xilinx' and 'altera' make the bulk of their profit by renting out the right to use 'cores' (as they call them) - libraries, to a normal person
asciilifeform: decimation: understand why the actual internals are secret.
asciilifeform: the serious fpga market (vs. 'lattice' & friends, who largely get used for minor glue logic) is a duopoly.
asciilifeform: and there is literally no alternative (other than 'altera' - who have a considerably fouler turd)
decimation: today I was using the xilinix ise - it's a piece of shit
asciilifeform: hence the rarity.
decimation: I guess I was thinking of "connecting the pipes"
asciilifeform: (x86 is rather too complex to actually implement in any extant fpga and still leave room for something useful on top)
asciilifeform: because 'xilinx' sells, by the tonne, a large fpga with built in 'ppc' cores.
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asciilifeform: i've been trying, and failing, for some years, to get a hold of one (just one!) on the junk markets
decimation: yeah I've heard of the 'hybrid fpga cpu' design
decimation: I wish I could just connect a pipe from the sse register to my own fpga machine
asciilifeform: so, they'll update a pdf turd.
asciilifeform: afaik they don't even sell printed docs now.
decimation: asciilifeform: in this case the error was so well-publicized intel promised to... update the docs
assbot: Logged on 01-10-2014 03:14:52; asciilifeform: so there is a mostly unwritten 'talmud' of differences between intel's manuals and the reality.
assbot: Logged on 01-10-2014 03:13:19; asciilifeform: phun phact. traditionally, the folks who write cpu manuals (how many people here have seen them alive? dead tree manuals) don't have access to original design specs.
decimation: in case folks haven't seen the latest amusement with x86: http://randomascii.wordpress.com/2014/10/09/intel-underestimates-error-bounds-by-1-3-quintillion/
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: I'm at a loss for a better name. ALGOL, ~algol or algol is fine with me. Even their honorable ancestor was part of a fruitless evolutionary tree.
mircea_popescu: unfortunately ubiquitous crud like www <<< there's a major paradigm shift underplayed here. for approximately 1980 (kiler micro) to 2009, the ONLY utility of computing was www. with bitcoin, the www is a minor point, other things are major points now.
asciilifeform: esp. if ignorant of the latter
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asciilifeform: this dignified the crud with name of a mostly honourable ancestor.
asciilifeform: as if emacs lisp had anything whatsoever to do with common lisp other than using s-expressios.
asciilifeform: again with the lisp lumping.
decimation: indeed, for instance from the yegge article: "We retired Mailman. That's because we have the Quality With a Name — namely, Suckiness. We suck. We couldn't find anyone who was good enough at Emacs-Lisp to make it work. "
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: I see. What I don't understand is why CLers haven't just ditched the web.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: tricky bit here. until rather recently (2009-ish) this was debatable (sparse ecosystems of publicly-available libraries in cl to deal with unfortunately ubiquitous crud like www)
decimation: that might be true, I'm not sure I can contain the set of all possible languages in my brain
gabriel_laddel: you're claim is that the problem with lisp is that it's not built for the c-machine. my point is that even on c-machines it's still better than anything else out there.
decimation: ?? what part isn't the problem? 'automatic parallel-ization?
gabriel_laddel: decimation: re, the problem with lisp... this isn't CL's problem, and not a real problem anyway. Compare to writing ~ALGOL on c-machine.
decimation: amazon has jumped the shark
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asciilifeform: i still have no idea if he's an actual nutter or merely playing the part so he gets to eat.
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mircea_popescu: cazalla BingoBoingo for the record, i like the slightly skeptical tone of qntra reporting. tech reporting has been awash in gushing for too damned long. some classical skepticism is in dire need.
assbot: Logged on 27-09-2014 03:28:42; asciilifeform: decimation: 'crazy' is the reason he actually got to work!
decimation: the problem with lisp is that it is alient to the modern c-machine, especially the multi-core variety
asciilifeform: there we go.
mircea_popescu: i like how the b-a search function is self healing. not found anything ? try again!
gabriel_laddel: time for towns then, no?
mircea_popescu: well boys, this approach of yours has only the minor disadvantage that it goes exactly against the constitution of the city you live in.
mircea_popescu: and it's the one bet i'm least confident about.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it'd better be because im betting on it getting blown out of the water.
asciilifeform: once grasp this, the only thing left is instrument for maximizing - at the cost of burned orphanages of any and all kinds, dead puppies, kittens - abilities of individual man.
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: people not keeping track of this is the problem.
asciilifeform: the whole concept of vast galley of slaves, fungible, working on a massive codebase, is fundamentally braindamaged.
ben_vulpes: 'course to leverage that, you gotta use the thing everywhere. makes it hard for the polyglot shop.
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: I doubt this very much. 'Lisp' simply needs managers to understand why they should order those not good enough to sling dope to write it.
asciilifeform: one problem - there is not actually a programming language called 'lisp'.
mircea_popescu: this is an interesitng theory. i suspect it's actually true.
mircea_popescu: e lessons of the 45 years of languages that have followed it."
mircea_popescu: "(yeah, there are a bunch) are going to have to realize that if Lisp is ever going to be massively successful, it needs an overhaul. Or maybe a revolution. Contrary to what some might tell you, it doesn't need a committee, and it doesn't need a bunch of money. Linux proved exactly the opposite. Lisp needs a benevolent dictator. Lisp needs to ditch the name "Lisp", since it scares people. And Lisp needs to learn from th
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mircea_popescu: saying that the only thing this apple's good for is the pigs doesn't amount to a suggesting feeding the pigs.
assbot: Logged on 10-10-2014 00:22:32; mircea_popescu: the only conceivable purpose i can see for government would be to allocate limits. you want to write a facebook ? register with govt, get a 10k line/250kb limit. if you overrun it you get shot.
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-10-2014#866880 << never thought i'd see the day mircea_popescu suggested government intervention on anything
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pete_dushenski: and ima a be off to the racquet club!
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pete_dushenski: ;;later tell pankkake i'm getting the following error running your node.sh script: "The following packages have unmet dependencies: udev : Breaks: plymouth (< 0.9.0-7) but 0.8.5.1-5 is to be installed E: Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages." << please to help!
RagnarDanneskjol: I met caleb chen from ccn last weekend - seems like a nice kid and is fully cognizant of his site's derpidity - people are still eating it up, so he's all 'fuck it' - no incentive to do otherwise (besides lost dignity). apparently they have like 40 part-time writers 'on-staff'
mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/2014/10/cryptocoinsnews-is-anything-but/#comment-58 check out the dramas.
mircea_popescu: like the world's most stable altcoin
asciilifeform: 'don't wait for bus, you might be the driver' etc
mircea_popescu: well, luckily you're not a codger, so who knows what the future brings.
asciilifeform: (because those cost actual money to build, among other reasons)
mircea_popescu: turns out that C/C++ are sorta like me. keep being "in the process of" being superseeded periodically, then the would-be revolutionizer dies.
mircea_popescu: se Microsoft was able to stall it before it became ubiquitous on the desktop. But for server-side applications, C++ is basically on its way out."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i'd rather sit in a hazmat suit and read good prose than live in a meadow of paper.
mircea_popescu: lol i stand to make a pretty penny there, don't i.
pete_dushenski: also the gap between brk-a and btc narrowed by, what, 5% today?
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski there, enjoy one more then. http://contravex.com/2014/10/07/how-a-bigger-blockchain-is-less-secure-and-why-block-size-aint-gonna-increase-any-time-soon/#comment-29734
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: ty for another comment! that post deserves a plaque for the names it's attracted.
asciilifeform: then again, world is full of bastard children and questionable wives, so perhaps similar.
asciilifeform: slightly different situation here. btc user without full node is just as likely to be walking around in a barrel, deluded by dope into thinking he's driving a car (like the characters in s. lem's 'futurological congress')
pete_dushenski: not that they're wise enough to brag about it
mircea_popescu: "these are my children" ? "this is my house". most property owners don't own their own torens title bureaus
mircea_popescu: "To soften my comment, I would not want to replace Gavin with some loony that thinks the USG is competent enough to undermine bitcoin in any organized way. All this talk about Mike and Gavin being stooges is absurd, and undermines my respect for much of the other (very insightful) stuff you guys write on the Internet. They can be wrong, without being corrupt."
mircea_popescu: (there's an extra bit in there, where people with a lot of exposure, financial, intellectual, emotional, w/e also run full nodes - but generally they also won't be following patently insane notions a la "let's make the blocks infinite")
mircea_popescu: this is the ad-hoc, market driven fix to the problem of node disenfranchisement as ordained by his satoshiness.
mircea_popescu: "It doesnt matter what the minors feel like honoring. The miners will follow the full nodes; they wont waste energy mining the fork when its coins arent worth the time it takes to send them to an exchange." danielpbarron << all the miners run (multiple) full nodes.
pete_dushenski: ok. 5 recent comments added below the recent articles.
asciilifeform: (short version of 'the camel' - prospective 'comp sci' students were given tests on basic things, e.g., 'a = 1, b = 2, a + b = ?' - and they separated into 2 groups, ones who had correct answrs. or at least consistent misconceptions - and ones who did not. the latter - turned out, unsurprisingly, to be unteachable.)
pete_dushenski: thankfully, i had made a back-up but i was pretty choked for a minute cuz the auto-save didn't include that last article about gavin's retardation
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: lol funny you should mention that… i was toying around with that this morning, trying to add a second sidebar column a la trilema and… i fucking borkt the whole thing.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: c is just the way average people abstract << if only. invited to reread the infamous 'the camel has two humps.'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i mean specifically the marketing of.
mircea_popescu: o the romanian school is it ?
pete_dushenski: "Gavin has done quite a lot for the bitcoin project, and is one of the few people who can credibly represent it to lay people. Still, I agree with the Romanian school inasmuch as the blockchain increase seems unnecessary and potentially disastrous to me. It’s inviting a fork that will not be honored by a large portion of the current hash power, and the current wallet balance. Thus it is a Bad Idea. What about side
asciilifeform: there's no need to write 50 mn lines of code. for anything. <<<<<
mircea_popescu: "Perl has the best marketing in the world. You could write a book about how brilliant their marketing is. Sun has marketed Java with money, and Perl is almost keeping up, popularity-wise, purely on the on sheer marketing brilliance of Larry Wall and his buddies. Folks at Harvard Business School should study Perl's marketing. It's astonishing."
pete_dushenski: TheNewDeal: surprised they didn't make a pitch to increase the blocksize limit << lol
mircea_popescu: how the hell did he get under 1
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mircea_popescu: after they're done with congress. "all laws fit in 500 pages. you want new ones ? delete old ones."
mircea_popescu: the only conceivable purpose i can see for government would be to allocate limits. you want to write a facebook ? register with govt, get a 10k line/250kb limit. if you overrun it you get shot.
mod6: haha, staggers the imagination
mircea_popescu: at least. fifty idiots get to go around telling young women about their imminent promotion to higher-middle manager because of it
mircea_popescu: mod6 no, it's "an economy". imagine, that's the bread of what, 500 derps ?
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mircea_popescu: in other words, back to the topic : i think the people arguing that c is just the way to talk to the c-machine, aka von neumann machine have it wrong - c is just the way average people abstract. fortunately that fit into an already existing machine, but if it hadn't it'd have been forcibly fit anyway.
mircea_popescu: ah but this is only half the story. you also saved it there, and saved the "notes" string somewhere etc.
mircea_popescu: no. i mean the fact that you have a string stored, and an apparatus to retrieve and use it in place.
kakobrekla: cause they code for living
gabriel_laddel: He got old and fat, making a change was too much for him. He says that there are 'problems' with (common) lisp. http://steve-yegge.blogspot.com/2006/04/lisp-is-not-acceptable-lisp.html
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: Funny little bit of history. Steve Y. goes on and on and on about how C++, java, etc. (algol derivatives) predictably create massively bloated codebases, gives lip service how Lisp solves these problems (which is does) and then goes back to... writing in ~ALGOL. (I asked a Googler who was recently on the same team as Steve what language they worked in - Java.)
mircea_popescu: seriously, 50mn lines of code ? there's no need to write 50 mn lines of code. for anything.
mircea_popescu: We have 50 million lines of C++ code. No, it's more than that now. I don't know what it is anymore. It was 50 million last Christmas, nine months ago, and was expanding at 8 million lines a quarter. The expansion rate was increasing as well. Ouch."
mircea_popescu: If you can get it to compile by then, that is.
mircea_popescu: like the plant in Little Shop of Horrors. Feeeeeed meeeeeee...
mircea_popescu: "The biggest thing you can write in C++ is... also an operating system. Well, maybe a little bigger. Let's say three times bigger. Or even ten times. But operating system kernels are at most, what, maybe a million lines of code? So I'd argue the biggest system you can reasonably write in C++ is maybe 10 million lines, and then it starts to break down and become this emergent thing that you have no hope of controlling,
mircea_popescu: hmm i guess looking at the graphs it hadda been
mircea_popescu: http://stats.bitcoin-assets.com/ << check it out kakobrekla, like the first time in history that the left pane is full, 100 entries past week
Jezzz: thx thestringpuller
mircea_popescu: cazalla shit they're cute.
RagnarDanneskjol: hmm. thought maybe the raw patse link was issue
thestringpuller: The second one of those gets hacked....
xanthyos: the comedy world shrugs
cazalla: speaking of rabbits, how about i turn these http://i.imgur.com/5Tk3rhN.jpg into some gloves for thickasthieves, where da white wommenz at btw
BingoBoingo: It's the price of not being poor like earier this week
BingoBoingo: You're welcome. I just thought... Maybe you'd wait until the polar bears all became exclusively aquatic before ever watching join/parts
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thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: do you have a sample script for the bitcoin cartoons?
assbot: Logged on 09-10-2014 16:13:02; mircea_popescu: this apparently works to some degree, he's ahead a cigarette from xanthyos' ex, and was the senate hearing catered ?
mircea_popescu: apparently there exists a pntra.com
TheNewDeal: missed the second * and thought gribble was failing basic maths
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mircea_popescu: what the ef.
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X-Rob: so.. I've discovered a flaw there 8)
BingoBoingo: X-Rob: Thanks for the heads up
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assbot: Logged on 05-09-2014 17:15:16; asciilifeform: 'A Chukcha applies for membership in the Union of Soviet Writers. He is asked what literature he is familiar with. "Have you read Pushkin?" "No." "Have you read Dostoevsky?" "No." "Can you read at all?" The Chukcha, offended, replies, "Chukcha not reader, Chukcha writer!"'
kanzure: written by the panelists
kakobrekla: oh my bad, if the didnt call it a conference all bets are off
assbot: Logged on 09-10-2014 21:35:31; kakobrekla: im not sure why are we watching some idiots learning about bitcoin on vid and doing whole conference bs and all. they should study at home, before hand, not ask stupid questions on tv.
thickasthieves: i think the whole thing was derpy is all
TheNewDeal: consider the universally secure linux
kanzure: "how is the blockchain secured?" "well it's open source"
TheNewDeal: those were their smartest questions possible