wyrdmantis: a friend asked the guy about db and got insulted and then silence. WTF people are so dumb. And yeah, node.js doesn't seem low level at all.
mircea_popescu: except you know, some stuff manages to be basic and advanced at the same time.
kakobrekla: steel is at the same level as glass
mircea_popescu: wyrdmantis whenever you wish to build something hardened, you are advised to use the lowest level tools you can use.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: added the necessary code to the necessary file and the necessary pingback to the necessary article :D
wyrdmantis: A question for developers: if i wanted (only theoretically) to build a scamcoins exchange like bittrex, what language/framework is best to use? A guy has opened one in node.js. I think he's gonna get hacked very soon.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell cazalla: so regards to finding additional author, on the about page i added must be in wot + 6 months #b-a logs << yeshiva as prereq. smart. http://www.contravex.com/2014/03/17/irc-yeshiva/
chetty: <Apocalyptic> <ThickAsThieves> [16:22:45] wall st bleeding // again ?//seems to have mostly recovered since then
kakobrekla: nah, you get the punishment of recoding it from scratch for trusting me in the first place.
mircea_popescu: piss the only thing missing ?
mircea_popescu: then derps derp about 50mn lines of code. seriously, bitch ? that's your caching ?
mircea_popescu: but just as an indication of the problem : w3 total cache, version 8.5 ? 250kb. w3 total cache, version 9.2 ? 1,8 mb
mircea_popescu: it's also a glimpse into bitcoin's future, if usgavin and the power retard crowd have their way
mircea_popescu: the way wp codebase works is indicative of what naggum described, the problem of maggots wanting the status of coder and so writing code for the sake of being coders.
bounce: therefore, it must be a feature
mircea_popescu: the bug affects the codebase all the way through, to the first introducton of xlmrpc back in 2004 or w/e
mircea_popescu: total bs, they never fixed it
BingoBoingo: Reading up on this the fixed a similar problem with trackbacks back in 2.8, I don't know why it would be their position to make a sharp edge like this the default when the push themselve to people looking for feather cushions.
Adlai: mircea_popescu: something bad happened to my graphics server so i'm stuck communicating with the world in text
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: That's the fucktard's case for not fixing obvious hole?
mircea_popescu: devthedev of course.
mircea_popescu: This tradeoff in pingbacks design has been there for a decade now, he said via email. Its seldom used outside of experimentation because it gets shut down by anti-spam providers like Akismet or web hosts when used at any scale, and there are cheaper, easier, and more effective ways to DDOS sites. Thats why no serious attacks (above 2gbps) use it.
devthedev: BingoBoingo: Are articles written by yourself of cazalla calculated into the "wordcount of qualified articles published"?
BingoBoingo: !up devthedev
kakobrekla: thats the beauty of it.
mircea_popescu: hey kakobrekla http://bitbet.us/bet/1054/bitcoin-to-drop-under-260-before-november/#c4132 << check out all the pentesting
BingoBoingo: Also, small navigation improvement on Qntra, there are now geography categories attached to relevant posts. The Categories are the continents + Russia. Might make browsing for certain kinds of stories easier for people.
kakobrekla: what do they do?
mats_cd03: they live in a different world than we do.
mats_cd03: what would you propose they do? continue operating at a fiat loss indefinitely?
thestringpuller: volatility shouldn't be an issue if your liquidity pool is deep enough. does this mean they aren't operating with enough supply?
ThickAsThieves: "Just wanted to let you know you should no longer have any issues with instant transactions through your Circle account. We apologize for the inconvenience and appreciate your patience and support."
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell mircea_popescu thedrinkingrecord and qntra should both be patched nao
kakobrekla: yes lisp. i recently started learning the thing thanks (or not?) to our resident mad scientist asciilifeform.
kakobrekla: they just dont know better.
Adlai: now he gets up in the morning every day to work because he does not rack dishiprin
Adlai: his parents gave him food, shelter, and access to the crappiest indoctrination taxes can subsidize
jurov: you'd say you were mistreated, either
jurov: lol Adlai if parents threw you at 18 onto the street
cazalla: well, i had an article to post but this fuck continues to dos the site so i guess i'll get some sleep
cazalla: its getting the fuck pingbacked out of it
RagnarDanneskjol: now the whole world's watching
cazalla: was bitbet the first to use no account betting?
jurov catches s.qntr mention in the lawgs
wyrdmantis: yeah Adlai, i'm referring to the lawyer's trying to put out a legal framework, and such nonsense, for the sake of knowing :)
Adlai: last i checked the network is properly regulating mining fees and preventing double spends, so i'd say it's going well!
wyrdmantis: any fresh news on the "bitcoin regulation" front?
xanthyos: it's the go-to solution
xanthyos: they threaten to kill me, i've had automatic weapons pulled angrily
xanthyos: it's amazing how often i get threatened by someone caught speechless in the onslaught of my verbal abuse with a gun.
Adlai: any o yall believe trustless currency via proof of work was invented as a tool for tracking rather than liberation?
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gribble: The operation succeeded.
Adlai: try writing the shortest possible quine in ansi cl. if you want to check the answer, it was just in #lisp and there are public logs, but try yourself before you check.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski sent you a pingback. fix the hole will you.
pete_dushenski: unfortunately the switch over meant some updates (spit) and whatnot
pete_dushenski: o and contravex's footnotes now have the proper indentation so you can now see all the roman numerals :)
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: i had actually read that qntra "pending announcement" bit in the logs, though meanwhile forgotten. in my defense, you never mentioned much in the way of terms or wtf you were even alluding to :D
pete_dushenski: the upside is now i have an avatar for commenting on other blogs and that contravex has a snazzy new recent comments sidebar.
pete_dushenski: oh and my apologies for the penguirker spam earlier. i was changing hosting plans and had to rejigger the whole meal deal.
pete_dushenski: though the only other effort that comes to mind is that of ltb (andreas' first home) with their broke back counterparty baloney. so not much comp but...
decimation: for poor people in the us, taxes pay you
mircea_popescu: decimation the thing is they work on a per dollar basis. if there's nothing to steal they can't afford to prosecute you.
pete_dushenski: the mpex-qntra relationship is quite the crafty little construction. puts other efforts to shame.
gribble: You rated user cazalla on Fri Oct 10 19:05:29 2014, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: qntra.net chief editor..
decimation: mircea_popescu: yeah if you have a semi-competent tax lawyer you can probably avoid jail, just pay the fine
mircea_popescu: most poor people get that added benefit, thatthey can just forego the irs altogether
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal yep
pete_dushenski: congrats be to cazalla BingoBoingo and mircea_popescu for the qntra announcement!
decimation: heh the next post: "Huh? You had a choice to go to uni and further your education. Be a man and stand by your decisions. "
decimation: sounds like the people who just stop paying taxes, irs comes, gasenwagen, gulag
mircea_popescu: Why? Because I don't want to fund the evil banksters who prey on impressionable young 18 year olds who don't know jack shit about the world, 18-year olds who are pressured by society into college they can't afford."
mircea_popescu: "Fuck yes we can. I have student loan debt. Am I going to pay it ? Nope. Not ever. Over my dead fucking body will they get a penny from me.
ben_vulpes: leadership, as they say, starts at 6.
ben_vulpes: anyways, sleep beckons and i gotta be on point for the boys next week.
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mircea_popescu: yeah but you don't like the sewers
asciilifeform: actually i have reasons to suspect that there are closed communities of people living approximately like people, even here
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: you live in the heart of the beast. i live in the heart of cascadia. our worlds are light years apart.
decimation: I've settled a few 'ebay' transactions where the tax was 'forgiven' if paid in cash
ben_vulpes: ofc i have to book the withdrawal as "profit", but...
asciilifeform: all of my local providers know who i am and extend me credit at my request << this must be some other usa i've never been to
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: how do you settle the tabs? sacks of gold, delivered on mules?
decimation: yeah that's how they did it in 'frontier times'
mircea_popescu: decimation i think he may have a point with the cop robbery
decimation: ben_vulpes: how quickly do you think people in the us would start using cash if suddenly say the FDIC went away?
ben_vulpes: roll with cash in the states, get robbed by cops.
mircea_popescu: fuck that, i'd rather go naked.
Adlai: he was really nice considering my friend's dog got cabsick all over the backseat
decimation: London cabbies are amusing too. I remember one bitching about Pikeys squatting on some farmer's land and appealing to the EU court of human rights
ben_vulpes: and we have a functioning economy, so cabbies don't lock the door
Adlai: mircea_popescu: actually the one cabbie i had an heart2heart with tracked us down ten minutes later to return my friend's iphone whateverthelatestis
ben_vulpes: you can even derp your card in before the trip ends to expedite egress from vehicle
ben_vulpes: the NYC version is really awesome, what with rebooting into "LOUD MODE"
mircea_popescu: Adlai but i like talking to the cabbies.
mircea_popescu: whole thing took ten minutes, that guy probably did more for me than half the gradschool educated people i ever employed, on a percentile basis
Adlai: mircea_popescu: you should see the touchscreen computers they have now to keep passengers from yakking at the cabbies, complete with a GPS map of your path through the city... almost feels like an airplane
mircea_popescu: i take a cab out of grand central, tell the kid i want a hotel, kinda close and not too expensive
ben_vulpes: portland already wants me to sort my compostables for them
decimation: one wonders if usg didn't pressure corning as part of the 'war on useful objects' err 'war on drugs'
Adlai: junkie-proof walls keeping the cabbie secure
ben_vulpes: also the giant wall of black slush during snowfalls
Adlai: getting locked into the cab until you pay
ben_vulpes: the great wall of garbage once per week was pretty cool
Adlai loves the taxis in NYC tho
ben_vulpes misses the good stuff
decimation: "As a result, the drug trade needed to find another way to obtain borosilicate glass. The unintended consequence of World Kitchen’s switch? An uptick in theft from an unlikely place. As PopSci so eloquently notes, “[the crack-making] industry was forced to switch from measuring cups purchased at Walmart to test tubes and beakers stolen from labs.”"
mircea_popescu: decimation what the fuck jesus.
decimation: it's another example of hidden inflation
assbot: Now I Know – The War Against Pyrex
decimation: http://nowiknow.com/the-war-against-pyrex/ because it's cheaper and supposedly 'shatters better' when dropped
decimation: mircea_popescu: in the us all of the old 'glass cookware' that used to be made of borosilicate has been switched to plate glass
ben_vulpes: half the time it's entirely on purpose, as the thing was never built for use outside delicate programmer hands.
ben_vulpes: known for the "not a bad premise" book
ben_vulpes: this leads to a breeding of the populace for luck
ben_vulpes: no no you train them to cook *for* you.
Adlai: we can draw the line at microwaving leftovers
Adlai: well you could train people to just not cook at home, either eat out or order takeaway
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes she was the fucking stereotipical dumb hottie.
mircea_popescu: they have a special thingee
Adlai: how do you even find all the shards in a case like that
mircea_popescu: she spent the honeymoon in the hospital because she rendered some fat, and then poured in a large, thick glass container
mircea_popescu: incidentally, this guy married the hottest chick i ever saw. like 19 too, some hick chick.
Adlai: but it would probably be ignored since "ALWAYS WEAR THEM" is much easier to enforce for stupid supervisors
Adlai: of course, people hate wearing these gloves
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> they can move to usa and massage machines, yes. << bashed
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> well there's always a cab in ny...
Adlai: some of these fuckers are over 50 years old
Adlai: you pull it out, wipe it clean, put it back in, pull it out again, find a light source, see that the oil smeared all over while you were carrying it, wipe it off, etc
mircea_popescu: better safety rule... put some damned electronics on the engine block
Adlai: there's even one oil check that's supposed to be done while the engine is running although nobody ever did that
mircea_popescu: as in, tigthen a screw, once it cools it's screwed ?
Adlai: there shouldn't be, but it can get hot enough to burn your hands, and stays that hot for longer than the average soldier would expect
Adlai: but you're also supposed to wear them for pretty much everything else you do, and you only get called out on not wearing them when higher-ups can actually see your hands, ie, not when it's actually important to wear them
Adlai: causing soldiers who don't understand the background behind any of it to believe all the rules are uniformly irrelevant
Adlai: so you get lots of great rules, but only the most tedious and irrelevant ones are actually enforced
Adlai: the hilarious thing is how enforcement of a safety regulation is inversely proportional to how likely it is to be necessary for the current situation
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decimation: I find watching such movies enjoyable, there's a whole collection here: http://www.csb.gov/videos/
Adlai: mircea_popescu: waitwaitwait women aren't full of shit and don't want to be in control all the time?
Adlai: one thing i did like about the army is that the core text on safety and risk assesment is titled "Learning from Others' Mistakes"
assbot: The Male Disease - George Carlin - YouTube
ben_vulpes: some people must learn by watching and we call them X; some people learn by reading and we call them Y...
asciilifeform: ...'must piss on the electric fence personally'
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes im not sure what's the context ?
mircea_popescu: well you can readily fix that, read the log.
Adlai: although i guess internet arguments are more fun when people don't even know how vastly their assumptions and definitions are outta wack
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: now try and tell this to american, and usually he will nod enthusiastically, and after you say '...30' he will answer: 'naturally! they won't even agree to sign up for mortgage!'
mircea_popescu: there's no age limit, you can be an adult at about 12.
Adlai: mircea_popescu: kids can't parent. it takes adults. « tell that to eleven-child families in the west bank where the oldest daughters are effectively mothers to the others
ben_vulpes: "beatings, frequently", is probably the best advice i've ever gotten.
decimation: like 'the noble lie'?
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> i think a vanishingly small minority of parents actually adds value through parenting. << the "how to parent well" resources are well drowned in noise
decimation: but what about 'freedom of speech' 'marketplace of ideas' and all that other bullshit
mircea_popescu: decimation in public ? nobody would, either. except for me, i keep talking about all sorts of things that shouldn't be in public, much to everyone's shhock and horror.
Adlai: this is assuming that it should have been $xxxxxxxxx instead of $0 in the first place
mircea_popescu: ironically, it'd have fixed the crisis, too.
decimation: mircea_popescu: that's obviously the right answer, but note how absolutely no one with anywhere near actual power has even floated that idea
mircea_popescu: so you know... we're not going to do it. well then... why are you here ?
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 you probably realise the only correct solution there was to make iraq 51st state
mats_cd03: some people, like me, are of the opinion that enough money wasn't spent to quell the iraqi and afghan insurgencies
mircea_popescu: the japanese had a bunch of orgasms and were in that female wax phase.
Adlai: doesn't mean they're any good at it, yet
Adlai: national militaries are still trying to wrap their head around how to fight an enemy that isn't another large military
mircea_popescu: i don't think they have YET had any sort of objective.
mircea_popescu: well perhaps not running the military like it were an idiot reservation bound for the special olympics might help.
Adlai: a large problem for militaries in generalized anglophonia is keeping the military career attractive to local talent
asciilifeform: whether that's 'attactive' - you decide.
asciilifeform: they can move to usa and massage machines, yes.
mircea_popescu: well there's always a cab in ny...
mircea_popescu: decimation yeah, but they don't really manage to attract that much talent somehow.
Adlai: there's a separate metric for a soldier's applicability to being an officer
mircea_popescu: at least at the officer level.
Adlai: cheating = you pair up and count for eachother. the soldier counting is supposed to count out loud, but when there are twenty people counting out loud and one or two officers supervising, you can count by twos, threes, or tens, and they don't notice
Adlai: the only army-wide test which supposedly measures strength that i'm aware of involves pushups and situps, and i can count on one hand the number of times i saw it administered without the vast majority of people cheating
mircea_popescu: iqs are not linear, and im not even sure they're scalars at all.
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: the paper isn't arguring "better" simply that iq holds for races across environments.
decimation: " Current assessments measuring muscular endurance (push-ups and sit-ups), although providing some relationship to firefighting tasks,22–24 do not measure a soldier's ability to lift and carry equipment with the ecological validity of a task-specific assessment. An appropriate assessment would involve lifting and carrying an item in each hand (replicating the hose carry upstairs)."
decimation: asciilifeform: actually the australian army studied this: http://publications.amsus.org/doi/full/10.7205/MILMED-D-12-00423
Adlai: physical strength is only evaluated in entrance exams to various units which require it, and these usually test stamina more than raw strength
asciilifeform: and none of the methods involve a bar bell, scale, measuring tape ?
BingoBoingo: <Adlai> that only tests "intelligence" as it relates to the types of "math" in your test << Well in the later rounds it test how well a brain functions when dampened
Adlai: everybody goes through the tests, most people know their results, but the actual method of calculating the results is top sekrit
Adlai: when you enlist, they measure "quality" (literal translation) using secret methods
asciilifeform: what else don't they measure ?
mircea_popescu: what do they measure now ? "sensitivity" ?
asciilifeform: perhaps i should move there, and enlist
Adlai: they don't measure strength when you come to enlist :P
asciilifeform: Adlai: the army where you live, when you come to enlist, measures strength. do they do it by asking you to carry a crippled fellow man from a burning tank? or using an arbitrary quick test?
Adlai: "intelligence" is a very nebulous concept. you can get precise measures for precise definitions of it, but i'm not too interested in who can do long division faster in their head
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel there are many countless objections to bring. for instance, the country with a guy at 300 and three guys at 50 is better than the country with three guys at 150 ?
asciilifeform: and that a circus weight-lifter isn't the least bit strong, because perhaps my arse muscle is stronger yet than his biceps
asciilifeform: how come we never hear anyone arguing that there is no such thing as 'strength'
Adlai: that only tests "intelligence" as it relates to the types of "math" in your test
BingoBoingo: Adlai: Get someone to hit a controlled amount on a breathalyzer and have them do math
gabriel_laddel: l children can do them in less than one second. More intelligent children, measured by conventional IQ tests, perform faster on these tasks. East Asians average faster reaction times than Whites who, in turn, have faster reaction times than Blacks."
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: from linked paper "National IQs have been reported for 192 countries around the world. The results show that the average IQ for East Asians centers around 106; for Whites, about 100; for US Blacks about 85, and for sub-Saharan African Blacks about 70. The same rank-order of race differences is found for ‘‘culture-fair’’ tests and reaction-time measures. Reaction-time tasks are so easy that al
assbot: PLOS ONE: Strong Genetic Influence on a UK Nationwide Test of Educational Achievement at the End of Compulsory Education at Age 16
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it's what i mostly use to score individuals << whatchado, flip the lights on & off and watch the pets sort out the room ?
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: "the genetics underpinnign cognitive function is debatable and poorly understood." really now? I looked into this, there is no debate on the matter of race / iq / genetics (there is however, lots of screaming). What genes specifically determine iq is definitely up for debate.
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Adlai: the really steady metric is distance between pupil centers
Adlai: or rather, "which intelligence"?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform as far as i recall the better studies were done by the russians, measuring eye movements
asciilifeform: Adlai: better impedance matching - smoother function of nervous system, both central and peripheral, all else equal
asciilifeform: Adlai: if i recall, hypothesis involves impedance matching - same reason folks with damaged myelin sheaths lose theirs.
mircea_popescu: they don't use muscles.
mircea_popescu: Adlai nah. because they're hidraulic