mircea_popescu: i suppose the best way is to plug a router into itself and then the ups into itself making the coils go through each other
mircea_popescu: kinda reminescent of all sorts of bureaucratic nonsense early on in the snowden saga, when they still thought they're living in old world
mircea_popescu: assbot: NSA Mind-Bender: We Won't Tell You What Info We Already Leaked to the Media | WIRED <<< i was having a lulz earlier at that
BingoBoingo: If it gets really bad drop it on the counter
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: And unlike MtGox I hack on live php withou knowing php or crashing the thing. <<< this is pretty much why people like php
mircea_popescu: yeah, and then he'll ipo b-a voice on cryptsy
asciilifeform: presumably to keep him addicted while the pay toilet coin hopper is wired in.
asciilifeform: it really is time to start charging him for the privilege of using #b-a as a public urinal
mircea_popescu: all this ninjashogun bs polluting the logs... i keep skipping, who knows what valuable contribution of some legitimate participant falls through cracks thusly
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform point being, they're cinematic screens (wider than tall) rather than coding screens (taller than wide)
asciilifeform: can't even imagine a respectable porn aficionado enjoying these
BingoBoingo: Like the world's biggest walmart http://www.wired.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/nsa-660x440.jpeg
mircea_popescu: is clear proof the trolls have won.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in a sense, the fact that everyone today uses computers with porn screens, rather than coding screens
asciilifeform: the most infuriating thing is that the easiest way to increase vertical resolution (the only kind that really matters to me) is to turn the display 90 degrees, which is not doable on laptop.
mircea_popescu: mike_c that they run on my browser.
mike_c: mircea_popescu: what do you like about the graphs?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yep i have the same problem with newer laptops
mircea_popescu: http://atc.blockr.io/#!/charts << gotta say this is one of the few pages implementing graphs correctly
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sure, they exist, but not really feasible for laptop from what i recall
mike_c: aren't those IPS screens supposed to be the shit?
mircea_popescu: kinda why soviets became unpopular in central europe in the 80s
BingoBoingo waits for the cold unforgiving march of money to turn cardano toolchain into workstation.
mircea_popescu: i doubt the trend towards worse quality will change before sound money is reintroduced
asciilifeform: but, missed it. didn't even suspect there was any further to go, through the already abysmal floor lcd quality dropped to.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i discovered that the machine with the dithering lcd wasn't just dithering. it has a 'pentile' screen (hard-wired white pixel in the middle of each rgb element! for fraudulently increased apparent brightness.) had no idea this even existed.
RagnarDanneskjol: successive squaring.. etc. but yes I concede your point. sorry, am at work righ now, unprepared to hash it out further
asciilifeform: for one thing, the clock doesn't tick unless someone actually gives a damn.
RagnarDanneskjol: yes, ultimately limited to a single dedicated timekeeping box. still, he managed to flesh out the concept well
asciilifeform: RagnarDanneskjol: same idiocy as the 'asic resistant altcoin' problem.
kakobrekla: first we need to start charging for them lines
mike_c: [19:33] <ninjashogun> have you had a look at the logs? Usually it's barely legal porn and random derping.
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PeterL: when I upped him I didn't realize it was the same crackpot I had talked to before
mike_c: who crappe don the logs this time?
ben_vulpes: one of the neater rocket fuels around
xanthyos: not that either is legit
xanthyos: astrology and oroscopy arent' the same
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BingoBoingo: And unlike MtGox I hack on live php withou knowing php or crashing the thing. All of those ======== make php friendly like that.
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: This is your chance to avenge all of the BitBet slurs.
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: And end the jokes?
PeterL: some of the work I do is "let's synthesize X because it will work like Y (maybe?), which Other Company has a patent on"
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Will happen eventualy. At least RSS is on the homepage.
kakobrekla: should link it from the homepage
assbot: Heightened Enablement in the Unpredictable Arts « UCLA Law Review
ninjashogun: see http://www.uclalawreview.org/?p=230 for example. Patents in chemistry are super super specific, based on actually synthesized things with very precise enablement steps only, and don't cover classes of things at all.
ninjashogun: PeterL - It actually matches something really intreresting from patent law. Chemistry is actually one of the sciences where you need to fully e.g. synthesize the thing, actually make it, since it's considered an "unpredictable" art. In other areas it's just enough for it to be obvoius that the design works a certain way.
BingoBoingo: bounce: The expected phase is reacting so hard.
BingoBoingo: on the plus side s.qntr hopefully will help jurov with +coinbr
bounce: so what would the expected phase of that stuff be? though note that O usually doesn't count as /fuel/
BingoBoingo: bounce: Nah, just build more rockets under it then sail the interstallar medium on inertia
ninjashogun: PeterL, well, sure, but if you call me an idiot and make an impossibility argument, then a counterexample weakens your case. It also makes it hard to collaborate. It's why I wondered if you ever got any projects to fruition, i.e. actually made anything. There is a continuum from idea through execution and name-caling isn't usually on there.
BingoBoingo: bounce: No, I'm proposing H00000000H as the fuel
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bounce: I'd say "whoosh" but the sonic boom disagrees
ben_vulpes: if the brits can do it, why can't ninjashogun?
assbot: NASA Helios - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
ninjashogun: PeterL - Your point is okay but of course this is a counterexample http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASA_Helios in the sense that this has a payload, and flies indefinitely. So the question is more one of degree than absolute feasability.
PeterL: I didn't exactly call you an idiot, but if the shoe fits ...
bounce: that doesn't answer the question
PeterL: ninjashogun: I didn't realize about the public disclosure thing, but it makes sense in the sense that patents last a certain number of years from when the thing is invented, and this keeps people from only filing the patent years later when they realize it is worth money
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ninjashogun: BingoBoingo, reading my message to you on CNN is more secure than a wired link, if the former uses PKI and the latter doesn't. I'm sorry you don't know this distinction.
bounce: ninjashogun, according to you this channel must be full of "trolls". why then are you even here?
BingoBoingo: ninjashogun: Stuff like Wi-Fi more secure than wires makes it hard to give your other ideas charitable interpretations, and I tried god damn it.
ninjashogun: BingoBoingo, what, that it's better to troll than to have a normal conversation and discuss something? No, he doesn't seem to have caught on. He also isn't very active in these channels though.
kakobrekla: from all the normal guys...
ninjashogun: PeterL, that's an interesting tone you strike. Out of curiosity, have you ever made anything? (other than promises)
assbot: Public disclosure - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
PeterL: and as to our previous conversation, solar power increases as the square of the scale, weight increases as the cube of the scale, so while solar power might work for model airplanes it will be infeasible for carrying things
ninjashogun: PeterL even though as you can see I am immediately being trolled :) It's okay though, I guess this is part of the process. I saw totally normal people being driven out of here by the trolling. It's like a rite of passage though, I don't mind.
ninjashogun: Someone said I should 'start over' and just make a new account, but I only have 1 entry in WoT (this one, where I'm authenticated) and I prefer to remain sane and normal until troll ratings come around.
ninjashogun: Also, I think that the trolls "won" because I'm not able to rate positively the people I have had good connectoins with (gribble says I 'don't qualify') so obviously they won't reciprocate. My ratings look like a troll's.
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PeterL: ninjashogun: I'm the startup founder you talked with before - I hvae the two projects/companies farther along, that I don't think we discussed, and I bleieve we discussed the solar plane in depth. << yes, I remember that conversation
mod6: speaking of the one and only...
assbot: The woes of Altcoin, or why there is no such thing as “cryptocurrencies” pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mod6: alas: http://trilema.com/2014/the-woes-of-altcoin-or-why-there-is-no-such-thing-as-cryptocurrencies/
mod6: thestringpuller: here you can see the diff chart (180 days), http://atc.blockr.io/charts - that's when they mined the shit out of it driving the diff up by 4x
mod6: thestringpuller: ya, it's been like that from jumpstreet
pete_dushenski: xanthyos: last time i was there is was cold, humid, and all too smelly. didn't leave an impression that i'm eager to rekindle.
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: how can one love anything about nyc << pretty much my thoughts exactly, being the soul-depleting shithole that it is.
xanthyos: the majority of jews are secularists
thestringpuller: mod6: it makes me sad to see the block lagging for ATC
bounce: not unrelatedly, confirmation in the catholic church.
bounce: plenty tribes have that sort of ritual. them jooz still see themselves as a tribe, so it fits.
pete_dushenski: bounce: more that they're on to something. something that in some times and places is widely emulated. others, not.
bounce: so you're advocating the jooz should run teh coontry now? like the big joo conspiracy isn't a bad thing or something.
pete_dushenski: treat the wee jooz like adults from that point on and maybe they can run a bank, movie studio, etc. without fucking it up.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: there's no age limit, you can be an adult at about 12. << thus, bar/bat mitzvah.
xanthyos: gribble and chanserv are fighting over who wants to authenticate me
mircea_popescu: <pete_dushenski> as a result, the asian kids and i aren't suffering from the braindamage of a few dozen concussions mixed with cum crackers. << they still do the cum crackers ?!
atcbot: >> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 1301.09 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 2.03 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 1.63 TH/s
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: there aren't that many of either of those peoples who find their way into the arctic. they prefer equatorial zones.
mod6: There was a black kid I played with. Broke his arm.
BingoBoingo: The few that play do tend to be really good.
TheNewDeal: it's not that they would be bad
TheNewDeal: they just don't play
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: There aren't very many black or hispanic hockey player either, thoughts from up north?
pete_dushenski: as a result, the asian kids and i aren't suffering from the braindamage of a few dozen concussions mixed with cum crackers.
pete_dushenski: that's pretty much the extent of the needed translation: "you're small and frail. go play badminton."
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski this would explain why i was one of the very few non-asian kids playing badminton at a high junior level. << well, either that or the other kids thinking badminton's for fags and nobody having translated the memo in azn ?
mircea_popescu: <danielpbarron> they think they are in Bitcoin and are on over 100 radio stations in the US << worst comes to worst we'll have some lulz.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: Adlai: now go and see reaction time vs. intelligence (take your pick of any known simple test for either of the two). disturbingly close. 0.8, if i recall. << til again! this would explain why i was one of the very few non-asian kids playing badminton at a high junior level.
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BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Ah so these are warrior forum sorts. Also know as the Glen Beck will say anything so long as it keeps Goldline happy.
pete_dushenski: the politburo types...
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: in exactly the same place as the goats growing recombinant butyrylcholinesterase (antidote+prophylactic against organophosphate poisoning, $30k+ a dose at current production methods) << steepish. but is one dose enough?
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Well you have to consider the idiots who write us off for suggesting Hearn or Gavin could be coopted and have interest agaisnt Bitcoin.
BingoBoingo: Who are they?
bounce: how about a hp50g then?
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: The nspire uses Arm turd
BingoBoingo: STFU, need color computer. You need color go outside. Find girl and take on date. Much color there. Computer just needs === True
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: Macintosh portable seems like better value proposition << my mom had one of these when i was young. she used to take it on business trips to russia.
asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: because, afaik, that is the only kind being produced. anywhere.
ThickAsThieves: really? then i guess you need to carry an imac around
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> but interestingly, only some people can see it (showed it to one fellow, he could, other - not) << colorbliness being incredibly common is super open secret sort of disabilitit
asciilifeform: but interestingly, only some people can see it (showed it to one fellow, he could, other - not)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah srsly, the terminal suffers so!
asciilifeform: from we-hate-laptops-dept. news: it is well known that you can only buy lcd panels with 6-bit colour channels now. the latest ones look just like cheap newsprint when the dithering (e.g. gray screenfull) kicks in.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo yeah ima going to try and make him give me moar for less seeing how the estimated difficulty increase never materialised!
mircea_popescu: wow check it out, they still sleep in china.
BingoBoingo: Keep his hash in friendly hands for the next diff drop.
mircea_popescu: just as i was enjoying the deal ;/
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: anyway, from what i recall and from everything i've read, illegal periods are the best part of any revolution. i imagine they'll be loads of fun for the reaction just as much. << http://www.reactiongifs.com/stewie-oh-goody/
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo o so he's finally off the hook ? god damed!
mircea_popescu: there you go.
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mircea_popescu: kakobrekla as per carlin's "ways to keep programmers on their toes" : announce 120, implement 100. that should hold them for about half an hour.
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kakobrekla: punkman yeah no need to prolong the sleep, it now actually is 200 per 120s.
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BingoBoingo: <ThickAsThieves> just wear black << Party today is basically just black oil cloth with some sort of gold fabric for the sash. Definitely heavier than togas worn by those three times my weight
xinxi: the article is good.
BingoBoingo: <pete_dushenski> mircea_popescu: anyway, anyone with serious long term btc plans better get your criminal suits ready << pinstripes ok? << I'll probably just break out the old Party Toga from College.
mircea_popescu: im not even sure what the fashion is, this time around
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mircea_popescu: xinxi are you the guy that did the chinese version of anjiecast's article by any chance ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, from what i recall and from everything i've read, illegal periods are the best part of any revolution. i imagine they'll be loads of fun for the reaction just as much.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you really thought they'd surrender, just like that ?
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic now we know that they HAVE in fact been defeated, oct 5th
pete_dushenski: and that crafty little stock issuance model pushed me up the hill!
pete_dushenski: ^spreading the word :D
BingoBoingo: All of the Years
kakobrekla: maybe python second is different from my second. the only logical explanation.
kakobrekla: punkman just tried the cli and got trapped in ddos jail :)
ThickAsThieves: my best guess is they get more than that when you buy
ThickAsThieves: Circle is funny, theyre supposedly no-fee, which is only really true when selling, but when you sell, they pay nearly 1% premium bonus
mircea_popescu: which is what i said. they wouldn't even dare ask, because they don't know if it's a set-up.
mircea_popescu: except if the defense counsel testifies to it.
asciilifeform: when they do 'this', it won't look like a 'this.' it'll look like a parallel-whatever - dumb prisoner gave his key to 'Bubba' in exchange for butseks, etc.
mircea_popescu: the only reason it's never happened to date is simply that a da wouldn't have made it that far if he were insane enough to try something like you propose.
asciilifeform: mega-lol. nothing of the kind, afaik, has happened in many years. how could it, with tame judges, tame da-s, tame legislature, ... , etc.
chetty: matter of who they are more afraid of
mircea_popescu: and if they weren't pencidlicks they'd be here with me, rather than over there with the sops.
mircea_popescu: chetty it's not a task any of the pencildicks would take regardless.
chetty: back when there were real judges ..
mircea_popescu: doesn't even get a trial, the judge can just sentence him for contempt, six months, no problemo
mircea_popescu: and if in fact it does result in a mistrial for counsel tampering & conspiracy, the da in question can very well go to jail on the spot
mircea_popescu: there's exactl;y nothing the prosecution can do to nosy into the defense briefs, abnd they wouldn't even dare ask because they've got no way to know if they're being set up for a mistrial or what.
chetty: practically the definition of police state
asciilifeform: IANAL - but afaik, usg claims a total right to control the communications of prisoners. and lawyers who are suspected of stretching the official rules (e.g., getting a message out to your mother, whatever) can be effectively fired by usg.
chetty: I dont think lawyers get into cells anymore either, isn't it telephones and glass?
asciilifeform: seriously suggesting that a prisoner in usa can keep a key secure (other than one which fits in his head) ?
asciilifeform: afaik the whole client-attourney privilege thing is a dead letter in usaschwitz. (the buggers can do as they please and parallelconstruct.)
asciilifeform: ulbricht << unless he's learned to grind rsa in his head, how is this to happen? his jailers will otherwise have the key at their leisure.
mircea_popescu: why didn't the workers speak up before unions ?
mircea_popescu: bounce because of the individual effect. why didn't people in leningrad speak up ?
mircea_popescu: you get much better counsel once he gets familiar with the safeties provided by cryptography, too. so it's win-win
bounce: why aren't lawyers speaking up when there's yet another law mandating massive snooping on everyone with a few of those constructive bones thrown in? lack of understanding that actual is possible?
mircea_popescu: a lawyer readily understands the value of ACTUAL attorney-client privilege
mircea_popescu: bounce no but i mean, people like shrem or ulbricht or w/e ? that's the right move in their position. hire lawyer, make it conditional upon all communication going through gpg
mircea_popescu: i must be missing like 20 laptops in here then ?!
asciilifeform: (and yes, i intend to write a post re: 'technolordosis.' for the lack of a better term, my current mental name for the deer/hunter symbiosis of voluntary chumpitude previously discussed on many occasions)
bounce: not that sense. in the sense that some people will thus end up with N (>>20) laptops to talk to N people.
asciilifeform: gpg.. yachtful << nope. they'd rather buy pwndildoes from 'crypto ag.' it's a 'technolordosis' signal to their master.
mircea_popescu: THE INTERNET
bounce: yesh, but it doesn't scale. then again, maybe it doesn't need to. until it does, of course.
mircea_popescu: bounce well if you're giving them away supposedly you got your own system
mircea_popescu: best gift you'll ever make, incidentally. for the 500 bux or w/e an old laptop costs you're probably going to get a yachtful of champagne
mircea_popescu: "gpg support" in clients is for the birds.
mircea_popescu: that's not how you do it. you gift the guy a laptop and explain how to use it.
bounce: but then, selling a totally complex fancy buzzword-laden magic (voice or otherwise) box counts as "innovation", whereas installing a mail client with decent gpg support does not.
bounce: rather gigantic mismatch between what the technology can do and understanding what it needs to do.
mircea_popescu: once the guy hears "non repudiable, just keep the blob" eyes light up like an xmas tree
mircea_popescu: bounce it's been going on for a while, this scam. most brokers with high value accounts have been pretty spooked back in the 90s already
bounce: anyhow barclays already rolled this out for their "wealthiest clients", so this sounds like an invitation to make good use of a tape recorder.
bounce: heh, it's actually worse than that. when gov't people talk about "signature management", these days that's plugins for their document management systems that govern copy/pasting pictures of signatures into "documents" that later may or may not end up getting printed.
kakobrekla: what the url to that thing again pls?
thestringpuller: signature stamps for the government
mircea_popescu: much like the "signature", ie, scribbling down on paper. fuck me, i have bills in this room issued by 6 different governments, they all have a signature on them
thestringpuller: i used to do that with tape recorders in my pops office back in the day
mircea_popescu: stuff here is not nearly as falsifiable as the "trustworthy" phonecall.
mircea_popescu: bounce incidentally, since you bring it up : most idiots of the "irc is not irl" and "i trust real people" variety fail to understand that with modern computers i can make any one person to say any one thing. just give me a collection of their voice recorded.
assbot: The Voice Harvesters: Bureaucrats, businesses gather more than 65 million people's voiceprints | Fox Business
bounce: http://www.foxbusiness.com/technology/2014/10/13/voice-harvesters-bureaucrats-businesses-gather-more-than-65-million-people/
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla yeah, yeah they did!
Adlai: and they're bulkier both in size and speed
Azelphur: that said there are other considerations, some languages/frameworks have limitations / specialties that others don't
bounce: leveraging a write once language to help produce tight code in a notoriously sloppy language. can't you just taste the synergy?
wyrdmantis: mircea_popescu not so badly, but in a very arrogant way, and then no more technical answers
Azelphur: mircea_popescu: indeed, goes back to what I said really, the quality of code produced is dependant on the programmer and not the language
Azelphur: mircea_popescu: coding in PHP is one of the few socially acceptable forms of insanity
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic it's functionally functional then
Azelphur: mircea_popescu: if you're good at PHP, use it. It's not the greatest of languages but it's perfectly functional.
Azelphur: wyrdmantis: to answer your earlier question, the answer is the framework your developer is most proficient in using
Apocalyptic: well one could argue LTC is a shitcoin too, and it wouldn't be far from the truth
thestringpuller: yea that's the atc exchange I think is used in MPIF
kakobrekla: aha thats why theres no coins listed :)
Apocalyptic: yeah, that's the main reason I didn't want shitcoins in x-bt
mircea_popescu: and the idiots "using" your "service" won't understand that they're all equally worthless, so...
mircea_popescu: wyrdmantis it is a very shitty spot to be in, running one of those, because the shitcoins are often badly written, such as was the case with xrp.
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic idol worshipping hasn't stopped either, it just moves further to the outskirts
Apocalyptic: I thought the exchange mania has stopped, guess not