asciilifeform: somebody has an otherwise-idle chumpnet, clearly.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller it was.
asciilifeform: i think you might need a civilian www browser to see them
mircea_popescu: i don't see them ion any sites
mircea_popescu: i've not seen those cached links for agws. they still exist ?
asciilifeform: (cough up some example where trilema and nontrilema links share the top box)
mircea_popescu: none of them do nor have for years ?
mircea_popescu: trilema.com/nobody-could-have-foreseen-their-using-a-plane-like-a-rocket
mircea_popescu: Nobody could have foreseen their using a plane like a rocket - Trilema
asciilifeform: 'stockholm syndrome', or some other condition, IANAS (not a shrink)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: re: chumps << witness the number of 'what did he do wrong111?!!?' imbeciles in the anonabox reddit thread. << quite. "need reasons"
mircea_popescu: <cazalla> and just as i am about to publish a story << yeah well that'sdhelped along by the fact that you're always about to publish one lol
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller lol derpy cloudflare.
asciilifeform: gonna see fewer of those when the leprosariae open.
kakobrekla: another one with a death wish.
kakobrekla: ill answer it for you. "we are in US so we need to lick dirty anuses. we called chief dirty anus licker expert on board. not only he has experience he also has connections that will allow us to get the freshest anuses."
assbot: /coinbase What is your policy and plan regarding blacklisting bitcoin addresses and associating them with customer accounts?
ThickAsThieves: they wont answer my q :( https://twitter.com/Bitcoin_Assets/status/522945163703115776
PinkPosixPXE: I want a room of them that I can swim in
PinkPosixPXE: I just want the bitcoin pillow
decimation: asciilifeform: this story reads like the kgb playbook
thestringpuller: !up devthedev
thestringpuller: i'll transcribe the response when i can rewind
thestringpuller: cazalla: they answered it
asciilifeform: where rats of all descriptions are brought onto a stage to show how 'open' they are
asciilifeform prefers notation 'amaa' for these - 'ask me almost anything'
decimation: de tocqueville predicted the 'iphonization' of everything 200 years ago
assbot: Alexis de Tocqueville on the Dark Sides of Democracy « Isegoria
decimation: http://www.isegoria.net/2014/10/alexis-de-tocqueville-on-the-dark-sides-of-democracy/ "Trusting that the system was fair and just, Americans simply gave up their independence of mind, and put their faith in newspapers and so-called ‘common sense’. The scepticism of Europeans towards public opinion had given way to a naive faith in the wisdom of the crowd. "
asciilifeform: ^for the record
thestringpuller: i'll put it on the bed-computer and read it instead of watching tv in bed
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: if you like paper, and live near a secondhand book shop - it'll be $1 or so.
decimation: of course this article describe how that couldn't possibly be the case
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: if it's free why not thanks for the link
asciilifeform: the solar panel thing?
decimation: re: mr. bundy << rumor was that it was sen. reid behind to whole thing, so that he could 'merit-wash' the land and gift it to his son's enterprises http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/apr/24/blog-posting/did-sen-harry-reid-drive-standoff-bundy-ranch-pers/
asciilifeform: 'Wolf went on, "The weight of a wasp is under half an ounce. Compared with a human being its size is minute, its strength negligible. Its sole armament is a tiny syringe holding a drop of irritant, formic acid, and in this case it didn't even use it. Nevertheless it killed four big men and converted a large, powerful car into a heap of scrap." "I see the point," agreed Mowry, "but where do I come in?" "Right h
asciilifeform: above the level of the folks who are merely practicing, there's someone who is making a point. same point as every king ever. public impalement to show he still 'has it.'
asciilifeform: to these folks, you and i are just the same as the paper hares and squirrels at the shooting gallery.
asciilifeform: sometimes the beast just needs target practice.
decimation: maybe Mr. koresh failed to grease the right palms
BingoBoingo: decimation: A different "ranger bob" could have just as easily left him buried in the woods to be found next century
ben_vulpes: provided you've seen them in action i imagine
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: these folks are almost as predictable as stellar bodies
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform you've an admirable appreciation of their byzantine mindset
asciilifeform wonders if fbi/dhs paid russel's estate royalties when they hosted his tale on the 'resist' honeypot.
asciilifeform: lol had no idea that was just sitting there, waiting.
asciilifeform: decimation: if he patiently attacked physical targets of opportunity << see the novel 'wasp' (eric frank russel)
assbot: Hermit caught after 27 years in Maine woods | US news | theguardian.com
decimation: thestringpuller: to whom are you referring?
kakobrekla: the page opened for me.
decimation: take for instance that fellow hiding in the woods of PA - he could have done far more 'damage' if he patiently attacked physical targets of opportunity, rather than murdering a cop and giving every cop in the 5-state area a hardon for his ass
gribble: The operation succeeded.
decimation: it is interesting that 'crazies' who go postal insist on just spraying down innocents rather than waging 'guerrilla' war
asciilifeform: decimation: mtb is ok with violence. or, thinks it is, has 'full spectrum dominance' in the field (or thinks so at any rate)
decimation: asciilifeform: it has been remarked here before about how good 'democracy' (as practiced today) is so good at misdirecting the masses' need for war/violence/etc
asciilifeform: the way i see it, the meme of small-arms 'postal' is kept going, with maximal help from the many-tentacled beast, to keep miscreants from going full bore 'stand on zanzibar' and using actually effective weapons (their brains, primarily)
asciilifeform: someone could probably make a 'thinking man's Doom' (a la 'Thief') based on the premise of intelligent saboteur/terrorist, who plants limpets, burns reichstags, etc. -- but the author is likely to end up having problems.
decimation: or trying to survive in the gulag
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asciilifeform: there was a sim-auschwitz at one point, if i recall
asciilifeform doesn't quite grasp the appeal of 'fishing with dynamite' sims
decimation: asciilifeform: somehow extreme violence is considered more-or-less 'ok' in the us, but sexuality isn't (at least in public)
kakobrekla: why does assbot offer you a link when there is 0 results, i dont know.
decimation: usg 'party planner' types studious grade each bureaucrat with the military equivalent, and then rank in parties appropriately
asciilifeform: there is probably an equivalent of plum for the folks who aren't nominally public servants. it's considerably thicker.
decimation: wapo had a story yesterday that allows you catch a glipse of 'status', the real money in wash dc http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/who-sits-where-the-etiquette-of-dinner-seating/2014/10/15/371809ec-5476-11e4-809b-8cc0a295c773_graphic.html
decimation: supposedly after failing to win the presidency, bob dole went to work for k street - was pay $ 5 digits to make a single phone call
decimation: you mean the 'plum book'?
asciilifeform: (didja know that usg has an actual nomenklatura? i didn't, until it was shown to me. the document isn't even secret.)
decimation: good point. political connections, 'can call $bureaucrat' etc is the us 'better deal'
asciilifeform: decimation: better deals are sold in various locales. the cost of betterdeals in usa is uncommonly high.
decimation: asciilifeform: re: your 'escape' plans << it's true that in the us your property isn't safe, least of all from usg - but is there really a country that credibly offers a better deal
nubbins`: kakobrekla: what, and when a guest visits my home and goes to wired.com, a plain html page with all my private keys pops up on the screen?
kakobrekla: Because despite positive press coverage from the Guardian, TechCrunch, WIRED, ReadWrite and beyond ... < you should set the domains of those sites to resolve to 127.0.0.1 in your hosts.
decimation: hopefully the crypto is inserted in a separate plug
asciilifeform: decimation: if the builder had any sense, those zeroed when it was unplugged
decimation: the secret keys which 'hold' bitcoin are so easy to lift that it requires impressive trustworthy physical security to protect
asciilifeform: from point of view of the uniformed thugs, that thing is just a peculiarly heavy chest of cash to plunder.
decimation: after all, fortresses in the middle ages were mostly used as tollbooths
assbot: Logged on 30-07-2014 06:30:54; mircea_popescu: in any event it's a fortressy thing to do. "here is money for the taking. take it only like so, or else you die"
decimation: kakobrekla: of course, but it's also possible that the pleading is genuine, so that congress or whoever will make a law or something stupid like that
asciilifeform: goes to find town and water, then just kind loses track.
asciilifeform: then he's caught, pleads that he's simply very forgetful
asciilifeform: runs out of gas, promises to go find help, then never comes
kakobrekla: isnt that what they would want you to belive decimation
asciilifeform: picture a serial killer that picks up women and then proceeds to get lost in the desert
decimation: asciilifeform: but what we have seen from the cdc et. al. is incompetence at coordination
asciilifeform: re: chumps << witness the number of 'what did he do wrong111?!!?' imbeciles in the anonabox reddit thread.
asciilifeform: 'a messenger from the courts, who handed him a stack of legal documentsthree inches thick. Somewhere in that stackburied in all the legalesewas the news that Microsoft had taken control of his company, but Durrer didnt have time to read it. Almost immediately, his pager lit up with messages saying the companys internet services had stopped working.'
assbot: How Microsoft Appointed Itself Sheriff of the Internet | WIRED
assbot: FBI director: Tech companies should be required to make devices wire-tap friendly - The Washington Post
asciilifeform: http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/fbi-director-tech-companies-should-be-required-to-make-devices-wire-tap-friendly/2014/10/16/93244408-555c-11e4-892e-602188e70e9c_story.html << how sweet the smoke. as if any of these were - or could possibly be - 'unfriendly'
asciilifeform: thestringpuller, kakobrekla: the story of how the steaming pile of shit was published.
kakobrekla: the intelligent sounding stuff.
asciilifeform: if you know folks in the publishing industry, consider the story of the sf book/film 'eragon.'
mircea_popescu: i dun think stalin gets to pick the form of his own fucking letters.
kakobrekla: undata you should check the logs perhaps.
mircea_popescu: no proof of note. i wish to see the actual note.
undata: mircea_popescu: I've seen some intelligent-sounding stuff on the trilema blog and thought I'd sit in a while
mircea_popescu: undata there's worse fates.
asciilifeform: 'Kickstarter advisor and board member Sunny Bates doesn't deny the risks of pledging but argues the price of individual Kickstarter pledges is so low that even if fraud did rear its head it wouldn't be worth the legal action from a backer.' << amazing model. steal a penny from $maxint people - not a crime at all...
asciilifeform: http://www.polygon.com/gaming/2012/6/27/3099051/backers-rights-what-kickstarter-funders-can-expect-when-they-pledge
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform decimation not even, simple penny stock scam. you make "company", ask for 1.1 mn, i drop down 1mn, then withdraw it. you got the "social proof" and some money in the bank/
kakobrekla: Yna get in the wot and ill take care of your coins for 1% a year.
decimation: sounds more like another form of merit-washing to me
asciilifeform: then - no
mircea_popescu: Yna so find a far out bitbet and send it there
mircea_popescu: i can just go in there, plonk down 1mn for some project, then 25 days later cancel it ?
asciilifeform: the numbers are a running ticker.
assbot: Anonabox scam - Why I don't trust them! : technology
thestringpuller: even reddit hates em: http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/2je9ms/anonabox_scam_why_i_dont_trust_them/
asciilifeform: interestingly, if you load the 'kickstarter' page, you can see the chump counter dropping. very slowly.
Azelphur: sure, I have no desire to purchase it I have a very nice OpenWRT router that I can do all the things with
Azelphur: I thought everyone was hating on it because it used the TP-Link board, xD
Azelphur: heck, if I wanted to build something like the anonabox, that's exactly the way I would build it, find some cheap mass produced decent existing hardware, build decent software to run on it, and ship it out preconfigured
mircea_popescu: Fact is they ran away with $25k from me, if it was reinvested or not doesn't matter really as they promised to make it from trading..."
Azelphur: mircea_popescu: I don't get why people are hating on the anonabox, why does it matter if they were using existing hardware?
mircea_popescu: ^ check out the sweet scent of chump
mircea_popescu: They also have glowing reviews from all over the world posted on their site after only a month of operation. It feels like trying too hard. That said, I did take a chance and invest some coins. I contacted them about my concerns (after I invested a few coins) and they were responsive and discussed things with me. Their backend is pretty sophisticated and you can withdraw your earnings at any time without fees. If it
mircea_popescu: "Hi, I have been using the site since mid December. You do have to be careful where you put your coins. The site has some . . . well, issues. A .biz suffix for one, but also they work out of the UK (trading stops on UK holidays) but are incorporated in Panama with no locational address or phyiscal contact method.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller from that link : "I found this site few days ago and bought mining shares, and have been getting 1.42% return every day. I'm using the returns to buy a smaller amount of trading shares. https://bitcoin-trader.biz/opportunities.php Full disclosure: I am not related to this site in any way, shape or form."
mircea_popescu: 0.8% a day, then "sysadmin will look into it"
asciilifeform: btc variant: 'pony up $smallint so $cutegurl or the like can get her $bigint back'
asciilifeform: ru invention afaik. knock on door, opens up, mesh bag with $animal, 'we have your $beast, pony up $sum.' father: 'we don't have a $beast...' kid: 'but so cute...111!'
mircea_popescu: nubbins` well at least he wasn't you know, part of the cult of b-a or anything.
asciilifeform: i keep waiting for the 'we have your cat' scam
nubbins`: <+mircea_popescu> "It is a known fact that I personally opposed any proof of solvency, but agreed to conduct it for the sake of a few dozen small and medium investors." <<< "see what you guise made me do? seeya in six months with a new name!"
mircea_popescu: "Dear Sir, I have 100% of your money, please send me a quarter of this amount and then I will send the rest back to you, because logic."
mircea_popescu: who the fuck is this schmuck anyway.
mircea_popescu: "It is a known fact that I personally opposed any proof of solvency, but agreed to conduct it for the sake of a few dozen small and medium investors."
mircea_popescu: "While preparing for the final audit results, a task we were working on for weeks now, our bitcoin wallet has been hacked and emptied, just after exchanging our fiat holdings within the exchanges to bitcoin and transferring our entire holdings to our wallet, in order to proof our solvency."
mircea_popescu: shit boys, the plot's unraveled!
mircea_popescu: <jurov> aye it's one big fair << hence the preoccupation with "fairness"!!!11
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it's the basic unified theory for all the sc4mz0rz who don't simply take the money&run, never to be heard of again
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> probe reaction? see if sympathetic idiots appear? <<< will be valuable in future, those.
bounce: oh, there it is. it's not teh jooz, nor the big bankers, it's the carnies that're secretly running the usg!
jurov: "i'll return the booty if 25% more is raised"
asciilifeform: perhaps the chumps can be fleeced yet more?
asciilifeform: probe reaction? see if sympathetic idiots appear?
kakobrekla: The hacker contacted me shortly after he took advantage of our holdings and demanded a ransom in order to transfer the coins back. I have agreed to a 25% ransom of the entire sum, but haven’t heard back from him for several days now.
ThickAsThieves: <+nubbins`> ah yes, every child here is taught the story of приспособленец /// lol
nubbins`: mats_cd03 they sell em at princess auto
asciilifeform: aka, very roughly, turncoat, but with the implication of being a stinking little chameleon who never wants for anything regardless of who's on the throne
nubbins`: ah yes, every child here is taught the story of приспособленец
mircea_popescu: (incredible, incidentally, that people who supposedly invest resources into getting a degree aren't even bothering to mention the distinction between actual degrees and quota degrees)
mircea_popescu: listend here in the sense of "people who volunteer both ways", nothing else. not meaning to imply speer had a quota degree or that obama can use the noggin
mircea_popescu: you know, "the nazi that said sorry"
mircea_popescu: the architect dude
mircea_popescu: sure, but the latter's an artifice.
asciilifeform: (the notion that any and all pain is honourable)
thestringpuller: construct a giant cock for them to suck
mircea_popescu: so this time, they're chosing war and will have dishonor.
mircea_popescu: this time they figure the enemy is small and it may be overrun. it won't work, and they'll have to do a 180 and suck the cock.
mircea_popescu: that time they figured the enemy is big and it may be placated. it didn't work, originally, so they had to do a 180 and fight the war.
mircea_popescu: amusingly, the situation is exactly the reverse of churchill's "You were given the choice between war and dishonor. You chose dishonor and you will have war."
mircea_popescu: <ThickAsThieves> i think new regs on btc should amount to giving pre-existing institutions an avenue for entering the bitcoin fray << not helpful. the only helpful thing they can do is say "every financial institution of the fiat persuasion has six months to get mp's okay or lose its fiat license"
mircea_popescu: (regulos is the god of death, in that game)
mircea_popescu: <Apocalyptic> more generally, the article as far as I understands it sheds a negative light on "regulation", as reminded by the Romanian footnote, it mainly results in you being fucked << it just makes the point that regulation is the stricture of death. which it is
mircea_popescu: <ThickAsThieves> one man;s bad reg is another's good <<< not a matter of man here. that's why nature. why would anyone's opinion count in this discussion ?
bounce: might throw it out as an open letter to some large paper or other
ThickAsThieves: The Fool, i know
ThickAsThieves: sure, but i'm playing on the fact one human will read this
bounce: sounds good. not that they'll listen; their motivation isn't the good of all, it's their own careers and coming up with regulation for this newfangled thing scores brownie points all over -- their own organisation, law enforcement, you name it. citizens? not important. so it only sounds good from the point of view of the important.
ThickAsThieves: Please, take a step back and ask yourself, as a consumer and citizen, what you are really doing, who you are really protecting, and then consider the price that will be paid in privacy, freedom, and consumer value."
ThickAsThieves: The crimes that may be committed with bitcoin are no different, and lesser, than those made with cash dollars, an area which our government has a lose grip on itself. These crimes are ultimately realized not when the money is laundered, but when that money is obtained. Those are the crimes to focus on. You can't hide a kidnapped child in a bitcoin, you can't make a bomb with a bitcoin,
ThickAsThieves: the US in transition to the new paradigm. Odds are that bitcoin, and the people in its regard, are a sovereign that no one nation can control.
ThickAsThieves: "This regulation just won't work other than to give big institutions a way to feel safe getting into bitcoin services. That's fine, but the fact is that this is global, and money as a concept needs to change to be a private concern along with this. A centralized government should not try to impose its ideals on the world, it just can't work, will be expensive, and will ultimately hinder
bounce: got the text somewhere?
bounce: what'd you write to the nydfs?
bounce: like the SEC?
bounce: que? that means they'll take all their pre-existing stupidity with them, something bitcoiners got into bitcoin for to avoid.
ThickAsThieves: not the reverse
ThickAsThieves: i think new regs on btc should amount to giving pre-existing institutions an avenue for entering the bitcoin fray
chetty: "In its majestic equality, the law forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets, and steal loaves of bread."
ThickAsThieves: fwiw i wrote to nydfs today sharing some thoughts about why they should ease up
Apocalyptic: more generally, the article as far as I understands it sheds a negative light on "regulation", as reminded by the Romanian footnote, it mainly results in you being fucked
bounce: from you perhaps not. the nature of rules is quite deep and subtle, though.
bounce: tat, you've successfully abstracted all meaning out of the meandering. that's maybe not entirely useful.
ThickAsThieves: as the monster gets bigger, it gets less agile
bounce: welcome to the united states of whatever
ThickAsThieves: it's a thing, there's no bent to it
ThickAsThieves: one man;s bad reg is another's good
ThickAsThieves: i think its the wrong perspective, and namely that,
bounce: then disregard it. the point is more that rules that "go with the flow" are less visible than rules that stand in the way and cause a diversion in the flow
ThickAsThieves: everything we do is either totally natural or wholly unnatural
chetty: nah, we all still breathe, and eat ..
ThickAsThieves: everything we do is either totally or wholly unnatural
bounce: laws putting a punishment on murder count as "regulation", yet they're quite useful most of the time.
mircea_popescu: the problem is that these days "regulation" is the name for the visible part of regulation
mircea_popescu: my point is that regulation is an essential function of life. your homeostasis is the result of regulation.
mircea_popescu: t5his would be the army no ?
chetty: ready reserve ...all them folks that recnetly got out ..oh yeah thats gonna work
mircea_popescu: that's what rules are. the means to oppression.
Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, I'm not sure I get this, do you consider the b-a voice system as such ?
mircea_popescu: who wouldn't want to go into the world's arsehole to deal with a contagious viral disease that makes you puke blood ?!
mircea_popescu: what they'll do is bundle it with a ton more dollars and make us another gift down the road
ThickAsThieves: the rest is whatevs
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves nah, that's the least bad part in all this
ThickAsThieves: the only thing i dont like in this
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic well but i mean, then obama doesn't regard executive orders as regulation mechanisms.
ThickAsThieves: theyre just cleaning house
Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, I don't regard the b-a voice system as a regulation mecanism
bounce: consider the situation. stamp is being forced to "KYC", but they're taking it to eleven of their own volition. the problem then is twofold: they should know better than that and the forcing needs to go.
ThickAsThieves: reasons nonetheless
Apocalyptic: the only one benefitting of the regulation is that narrow class of people who impose/enforce it
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i agree the art of dancing with goats is necessary if you agree it doesn't include fucking them.
nanotube: (also thanks for the link :) )
mircea_popescu: good for them but why should we care.
bounce: sure. hence the need for people understanding regulation running the exchange in a jurisdiction that doesn't force them to fuck over the customers
nanotube: mircea_popescu: i see. i'd venture to guess they are not doing that voluntarily, so 'scam' is not quite the right word.
Apocalyptic: depends on the individuals obviously TAT
bounce: likely. peruse the order book?
ThickAsThieves: what price is otc using these days?