mircea_popescu: they should find a master when old enough to interest anyone, and live thus, as slaves.
Adlai: we'd just call it "that company that handles my health insurance", or "that company that pays the garbage guy"
mircea_popescu: well... the forum is investing, ain't it ?
ThickAsThieves: and theyd be wrong too
mircea_popescu: yes, they would.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, alkl this aside, let's put to bed the "if government were structured as a business selling services to citizens, they could choose what to "invest" in" idiocy.
Adlai: practically speaking, it doesn't matter if they're pencildicked or horsecocked, they're still raping our children
ThickAsThieves: <+mircea_popescu> that's what "chomksy" means. "disappointed over how the people running his ideology apportion the proceeds of the theft that ideology entails" /// i like that
mircea_popescu: see, they need to, because pencil dick.
ThickAsThieves: well how can we social media and seo while making important choices about the past?
Adlai: although i must say, they're not really pencildicked if they've managed to fool so many people so much of the time
mircea_popescu: that's what "chomksy" means. "disappointed over how the people running his ideology apportion the proceeds of the theft that ideology entails"
Adlai: my takeaway from it is that he's disappointed with how [his] government has mishandled tax money over the past decades, and disappointed in how "intellectuals" have been unable to steer government towards benefitting anybody other than aforementioned pencildicks
mircea_popescu: he's not yet come up with a way to ask people how intelligent they are. what the fuck.
ThickAsThieves: sounds like a horrible drunken philosophy conversation, inventing moments of choice in the past
mircea_popescu: what is this, senility day, buffett structures his business so as to avoid tax then derps that he pays less than his secretary so his middle management shouild be taxed more
ThickAsThieves: i gotta agree, if thats the TLDR of Chomsky's thing, it's useless babble at best
mircea_popescu: what the fuck, "the answer was". chomsky conveniently forgets all the problems inherent in FORMALISNG these problems, in speech ?
mircea_popescu: Adlai we readily agree, provided by "current way government is conducted" you mean "pencil dicks who chiefly need the government to steal from others and give them part of the proceeds as a means of support derp about how to formalise choice"
Adlai: if government were structured as a business selling services to citizens, they could choose what to "invest" in
mircea_popescu: if it sucks, it's because they suck. that's all.
Adlai: eh, i don't think it has to be bullshit, it's just bullshit in the current way government is conducted
mircea_popescu: they had all the choices they can meaningfully have. go to work or don't. read or don't read, beat your wife or don't beat your wife, whatever.
mircea_popescu: this idea that "people" should have "a choice" is bullshit of the first degree.
Adlai: have an answer because they never had a choice.
Adlai: tl;dr of chomsky's interview: Had the people in the 1950s had been asked, "Do you want your taxes to go to development of the kind of technology that will allow your grandchildren to have iPads or do you want your taxes to go into a livable society? Health care, education, places where people can have decent lives? And so on. What would people have decided? Well, whatever the answer was, they didn't
Adlai is only here for the hookers and blow
Adlai can't handle the truth tho
ThickAsThieves: i'm sure you KNOW the answers
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves do you dispuite the ethereum "money" is already stolen at this point ?
Adlai: prophletizing = making up prophecies for the purpose of prosletizing
Adlai: !s short ether
mircea_popescu: Adlai if you review the log, there was ev en a contract drawn for the purpose. and a bunch of people were gonna participate.
ThickAsThieves: maybe not all, i couldnt read to the end...
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves you can write their next update yourself. so can i. if either of us do and we send it to qntra,
ThickAsThieves: their update is ALL hirings
mircea_popescu: o, shit, i forgot. all their "investors" never actually existed. ooops.
mircea_popescu: where are all the people "interested" in lending me some to short ?
ThickAsThieves: where the fuck is my qntra wallpapers
mircea_popescu: usg: "you have the right to blablabla" cartman: "fuck you, i do what i want"
mircea_popescu: but seriously : this machine which purports to remove freedoms, as if, and replace them with "rights", as if.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves ironically, that's the one thing where it does work.
Adlai: it's amazing how the same remedies cure both aids and ebola
mircea_popescu: well, unless there's a refugee camp with hot sexy 12 year old locals. then all bets are off. Standard UN policy in the matter, as seen in Congo, Haiti, Liberia, Sudan, Burundi etc.
ThickAsThieves: “I’ll be honest with you,” one soldier told the newspaper. “I’m kind of scared.”
mircea_popescu: just ? how much shoukld they get ?
assbot: U.S. Soldiers Get Just Four Hours of Ebola Training - The Daily Beast
ThickAsThieves: off they go... http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/10/17/u-s-soldiers-get-just-four-hours-of-ebola-training.html
mircea_popescu: course the antioficialismo newspapers are nao calling her paranoid over that impermissible holistic approach.
mircea_popescu: to quote the cristina chick, "todo hace juego con todo"
Adlai: oh, i thought you were talking about the chomsky article
assbot: Logged on 16-10-2014 16:13:23; mircea_popescu: anyway, if it's anything like this dude, it'd basically lesswrong/meatballswiki/somethingawful hivemind. unemployable graduates with fixed if erroneous ideas "about the world"
mircea_popescu: Adlai you readily ignored the (previously discussed) reference and now are making a soup of the statement ?
Adlai: mircea_popescu: so you mean that the failure mode of contemporary youth is that they pray with their hands instead of their feet?
kakobrekla: no no, the cans and strings.
Adlai: "One reason we don't hear anything about [5M killed in the Congo] is because there's very limited official US involvement of the press corps."
mircea_popescu: Adlai that's like the worst error message ever.
bounce starts the church of bitcoin. you know, like scientology, only with bitcoin instead of bad sf.
mircea_popescu: "mother mary who thoust be in heavens in all glory and power, ready my letter of what i would like to see and DO IT"
mircea_popescu: you know it's startying to wear on me this. there's a currently-in-the-process-of-universalizing-itself mode of behaviour of the principal mode of failure of contemporary youth (previously discussed) which consists in essentially... prayer.
mircea_popescu: he was saying that in the 70s
ThickAsThieves: "You have to improve the institutions responsible for indoctrination of the young. You have to control children. You have to make sure that they're not too free and creative and independent, and it shows up in all sorts of ways."
assbot: Democracy and Education in the 21st Century and Beyond: An Interview With Noam Chomsky
Adlai: http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/26693-democracy-and-education-in-the-21st-century-and-beyond-an-interview-with-noam-chomsky?tmpl=component&print=1
bounce: ``The chemists claim that Cheerios are by far the best in the cereal aisle at growing chemically productive fungi.'' -- http://science.slashdot.org/story/14/10/17/143231/chemists-grow-soil-fungus-on-cheerios-discover-new-antifungal-compounds
ThickAsThieves: "...there have been fewer than 10 confirmed cases in the country. Today President Obama named an “Ebola czar” to help coordinate the federal response to the outbreak threat."
assbot: BREAKING: Ebola Scare at the Pentagon | ARLnow.com
Pierre_Rochard: ben_vulpes: is there a clojure or lisp web framework you would recommend?
ThickAsThieves: <+mats_cd03> 'pink eye print' really? /// hey, i remembered it cuz the name!
ben_vulpes: PE will want to see revenues tho, unless the IPO is a juggernaut and the public markets are going to get taken hard.
ben_vulpes: "well you can take your dollar down the 7-11 and buy a Keno ticket, or you can take your LIFE SAVINGS/4 of your best-performing years to the startup roulette wheel..."
Adlai: illiquid equity is an unfungible gamble, btc can be funged around for other gambles
ben_vulpes: various API's, toy BTC tools for myself, a webapp here and there
Adlai: and how do you feel about the fact that your language guru is called "rich hickey"
ben_vulpes: and i clojure, for the same reason.
ben_vulpes: i think the switching costs from py/whatever -> clojure are a little lower than to the common lisp families
Adlai: the problem with "lisp" is that it's a platonic ideal, but each implementation of this ideal falls short in various ways once you hit the real world
ben_vulpes: Adlai: from another chan where i've been pounding on about lisp:
Adlai: db.py-# TODO: there has to be a better way of writing this
Adlai: eh the guy said that he likes "more functional stuff than python"
Adlai: if i had to interoperate with the jvm, i'd try using abcl first
Adlai: there's also abcl
Adlai: sadly no, python, but the rest of the team aren't too married to python and will probably be open to a saner backend architecture if i stay long enough that it's worth pushing for one
Adlai: don't worry, i'll still waste some of my free time at the yeshiva
ben_vulpes: what's the new gig, Adlai?
mats_cd03: #b-a is about pc now? musta missed the memo
peterl: actually, I don't like it, but it is ironic how he does not even seem to notice the irony
peterl: I like how Obama went there, spoke about how important it is to conserve water, then played golf on a lush course in the desert
mats_cd03: in addition to other retardation like farming in deserts
mats_cd03: allowing agribusiness to pour water into the ground whilst rationing residential users is mind boggling
peterl: what did they do now?
peterl: so you like the bot aspect of it?
ThickAsThieves: i can curate it myself with my feed reader, but i also like seeing the links tick in here
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user ThickAsThieves to user peterl: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 3 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=ThickAsThieves&dest=peterl | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=peterl | Rated since: Wed Apr 16 17:10:12 2014
assbot: WATCH: Florida's Gubernatorial Debate Gets Off To A Bizarre Start : The Two-Way : NPR
ThickAsThieves: http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/10/16/356694785/watch-floridas-gubernatorial-debate-gets-off-to-a-bizarre-start
assbot: BitLicense & The Regulation of Encryption (This is for you too James Comey) /EFF /ErikVoorhees /NYDFS /BenLawsky http://t.co/8LstY0RDi2
ThickAsThieves: actually that one has the typo
assbot: BitLicense & The Regulation of Encryption: My E-mail to the NYDFS (This is for you too James Comey) : Bitcoin
ThickAsThieves: upvote if youre feeling helpful plz http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2jikrx/bitlicense_the_regulation_of_encryption_my_email/
assbot: BitLicense & The Regulation of Encyption: My E-mail to the NYDFS (This is for you too James Comey)
ThickAsThieves: well here it is http://devilsadvocate.biz/bitlicense-the-regulation-of-encyption-my-e-mail-to-the-nydfs-this-is-for-you-too-james-comey/
bounce: looks like "muxne" then.
ThickAsThieves: i guess it's pointless with all the ddos
gribble: cazalla was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 hours, 26 minutes, and 27 seconds ago: <cazalla> same, this is the 3rd day of it
ThickAsThieves: i haz a post i wanna give them dibs on
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user thestringpuller has changed from 1 to -1.
kakobrekla: ;;rate thestringpuller -1 noise hole.
bounce: !up events with the gribble id it acted upon
jurov: for these cases
jurov: assbot should log joins/parts too (even if they are filtered in log by default)
bounce: so where does his +v come from then? o_O
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gribble: Error: You must not give the empty string as an argument.
kakobrekla: what are you then
gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
Vexual: http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2014/04/guy-films-himself-having-an-lsd-trip-in-the-middle-of-the-desert/
ThickAsThieves: i may have missed it, but is there a plan to reimplement the pankkake blog aggregator and penguirker announcements?
assbot: Texas hospital worker who may have handled Ebola victim’s specimen is quarantined on cruise ship in Caribbean - The Washington Post
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Vexual: surely yor vampish handle allows you to trancend the wot on occasion
Vexual: but with the porper application of flame, that wich is useless becomes delicious
Vexual: there ne're was such a meat that bounces back when you get it wrong
cazalla: same, this is the 3rd day of it
moiety: oh, deep joy :/ had that recently but the person wasnt very good, couldnt knock off the site for everyone
cazalla: they need to promote it more
Vexual: theyre al,ost vermin here
Vexual: it's quite unlike any other meat
moiety: i'd have to ask mircea how lean they were
moiety: my morning have been incomplete without them
moiety: wipe the tears away. no one can see through tears
Vexual: they do
moiety: they do in scotland
Vexual: now kids be thinking they can drink whisky
assbot: Logged on 15-08-2014 11:06:42; Mexual: imma take moeity to the summit of ben nevis
moiety: fucking cocksucker has been at mine trolling the fuck out of me
gribble: Error: The "Later" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "tel" in it. Try "list Later" to see the commands in the "Later" plugin.
Vexual: ;;later tel xinxi whats the difference between an expert system and ai?
Vexual: whats the story duffer?
Vexual: im trying to reread the article and i can't
Vexual: whats the story with moo?
Vexual: the robocoin qntra articel quite clearly shows a surveilance still, they took all the computers
cazalla: anyway, i found the guys mobile number, maybe i give him a call
Vexual: perhaps they're right, but it's just really hard to accept when you can get arrested for your tshirt
Vexual: that might not be how they want to to play out
cazalla: right but they control the meth here and obviously the cafe guy was the nerd of the operation
cazalla: my guess is given bikie and meth links, it was how they cashed out their coins from silk road sales
Vexual: doesn't mean the cook crank
punkman: there's this guy around here with a harley covered in tiny mirrors, looks like a disco ball
Vexual: oh no, it's in the press release
Vexual: the abc version is interesting, poastcode tags
pete_dushenski: the usgcannon is regressing from a-bombs to slingshots, slowly but surely.
pete_dushenski: and as a closing thought before the dreams take hold, i have a hard time imagining that bitstamp will seize much more than 10k bitcoin. what's that, a week of price depression?
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: this should be the end of ddos issues. << wunderbar. contravex's links will work!
pete_dushenski: decimation: de tocqueville predicted the 'iphonization' of everything 200 years ago << mhm. which is why he would've loved to watch the pendulum swing back in the "proper" direction. http://www.contravex.com/2014/08/03/democracy-vs-aristocracy/
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu:"Dear Sir, I have 100% of your money, please send me a quarter of this amount and then I will send the rest back to you, because logic." << lmao. this pretty much made my night
pete_dushenski: i'm also open to suggestions for web hosting and ddos prevention services, since we're on the topic atm
Vexual: you ganna sell the blacklist?
mircea_popescu: got a decent router in front of the server, puny as it is.
mircea_popescu: this should be the end of ddos issues.
Vexual: im sure the readers would prefer your discourse to mine
Vexual: (ride the aforementioned device)
Vexual: not much has changed since then
asciilifeform: banned for wasting food on the set, lulzies.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> but also 'traduttore, tradittore.' << but consider ... cinema treason adds to the story.
mircea_popescu: in any case, this speaks directly to a revolutionary wonderment, to wit that "how is it that these reactionary types always see the golden age in some past".
mircea_popescu: besides, fucking latins had the same observation.
mircea_popescu: but be that as it may, it's fascinating how the stuff that doesn't cross is always more interesting than the stuff that does
mircea_popescu: i picked the pair for a reason11!
asciilifeform: (aside from orcs existing perfectly well, they must also be made - apparently such is the nature of pesky humans)
asciilifeform: not even the toil of the mines, but wasn't certain that cared for much human contact anyway
asciilifeform: but did nothing of any use whatsoever with this, because - the mines.
asciilifeform: then proceeded to generalize
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: started out with notion of automatic iq test for gating forums - junked, because realized that thinking people usually vouched for by others of their kind
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform gotta say, you got the formalisation quite exactly.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform gitta satm you got the formalisaiton quite exactly.
assbot: What the WoT is for, how it works and how to use it. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/ < there.
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mircea_popescu: ;;google what the wot is how it works and how to use it
mircea_popescu: a yeah, there's that, too
undata: mircea_popescu: I'll check them out; I was talking with friends earlier about how a WoT could be used to delegate authorities to members of an organization
assbot: A complete theory of economics pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/a-complete-theory-of-economics/ http://trilema.com/2012/gpg-contracts/ undata << there, coupla articles to save you from trying to shoot in the dark
undata: hm, I suppose I'd better stick around then.
undata: I'm genuinely interested to hear what you think might displace the US govt.
mircea_popescu: so no, the usg didn't black nationality anything. it just put a bunch of thugs away, and much fewer than it either could or should have.
undata: right, that's a good example of the weakness to be fair
mircea_popescu: (and notice that the scientologists raped the fuck out of the usg, in the 70s. back when it was still a thing)
mircea_popescu: that's not the point tho. the point is that it wasn't anything but a cheap sales pitch, without any substance.
mircea_popescu: ok. so there's "black nationalism". "that's what they do, turning brother against brother"
mircea_popescu: there's a fine example of your "black nationalism" in there, as deployed by sam l jackson's character
mircea_popescu: you ever saw the movie jackie brown ?
mircea_popescu: there's two points here. the easy to dispatch one is the naive narcissism. i can see why you'd imagine the usg is important or powerful. this is neither true or particularly likely, from a neutral pov. but moving on,
mircea_popescu: undata this seems rather dubious a summary to me.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller makes sense.
undata: mircea_popescu: they went after its command structure with assassinations, (sometimes wrongful) imprisonments, etc
undata: one can look to black nationalism for an example of how the usgov deals with an actual, organized opposition
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller why are you so invested anyway lol
assbot: I heard that /coindesk pays all of their writers in fiat! RT if you think they should offer pay in bitcoin! /shak /emilyspaven /southtopia
mircea_popescu: undata: a smart cult with an anti-govt streak would try to remain unnoticed <<< which fails to explain why the us govt is not taking better care of staying out of our way.
asciilifeform: probably truth, if there's any in that line, is - netted 280m on auction.
mircea_popescu: Even more property was forfeited by participating in a federal program known as equitable sharing. By partnering with a federal agency, local and state law enforcement can keep up to 80 percent of the proceeds from a forfeited property. Incredibly, police can collaborate even if doing so would circumvent their own states protections for property owners.
mircea_popescu: decimation: it is interesting that 'crazies' who go postal insist on just spraying down innocents rather than waging 'guerrilla' war << who in the us is innocent ?
asciilifeform: plumbook is not interesting because of the appointees (everybody who gives half a damn already knows who they are.) but for the 'ses' bureaucrats, the real backbone of usg.
mircea_popescu: nubbins`: kakobrekla: what, and when a guest visits my home and goes to wired.com, a plain html page with all my private keys pops up on the screen? << no, they have to enter combinations of keys first.